Market Manipulation

[|Ares|]

Just reintroduce every possible tradeable vanity set, backpack or weapon once again in new crates for plats.
So people can finally stop whining about inflation and market manipulation.
Myself owning rare vanities - I'm not bothered if they gonna come back to the game.
Just do it.

[Bluez88]

More rare and exclusive vanities if returning (which I highly doubt as a dev said they aren’t returning) should be placed as a top 5 lb reward.

That way people can’t say players with exclusive vanities didn’t put in time and effort.
Top 5 lb is very competitive especially if the vanities are good looking and the community desires it.

A lot of time and effort would be needed to reach top 5 for certain vanities.

[Overbear]

Agreed.
Waiting for the *B-but NoOo I TthInK tHey shouLd stay rAre!!"

[firebelt & crystalkiller]

+1 on the lb idea

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[RedeZy]

1+ for the lb suggestion, majority of the owners of the sets now weren’t the actual runners for the lb. they bought their sets, I’m talking about most. Bringing new GOOD looking lb vanities is fine but as for old, a top 5 reward for each class is appropriate as well. As those runners spend 16+ hours a day straight for 2-3 weeks obtaining their rewards, now imagine if it was a lb vanity that people desired, that would show true effort and hard work.

[mqp2385]

More rare and exclusive vanities if returning (which I highly doubt as a dev said they aren’t returning) should be placed as a top 5 lb reward.

That way people can’t say players with exclusive vanities didn’t put in time and effort.
Top 5 lb is very competitive especially if the vanities are good looking and the community desires it.

A lot of time and effort would be needed to reach top 5 for certain vanities.Thats for people that dont do nothing with their lives family person with work that are the reason that this game have stayed alive deserve better And this vanities will never be on the hands of working people . So i dont mind paying extra for vanities they should leave like it is. Dont bring them back theybhave never done it in a game will loose a lot of player old ones. New ones you need to grind like us for years

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[THE GOLDEN KING]

In my opinion a better idea would be recoloring/redesigning them and then selling them for platinum while making them *Untradable*. For 1 week only-once a year. *depending on how many times a year comes, will depend on how great it does*

Example:
-Recolored/Redesigned 2014 Halloween vanities(Frank/Medusa/Ghost)
Price: 8,200 platinum *each*

-Recolored/Redesigned 2014 Winter vanities(Yeti/Golem/Ice)
Price: 10,500 platinum *each*

-Recolored/Redesigned 2016 halloween vanities(Ghost:Mummy/Medusa/Golem)
Price: 13,000 platinum

Then for vanities that aren’t lb related but “rare”, STS should do the same process, Recolor/Redesign them and selling for platinum(cheaper price since they’re not LB reward) while making them *untradable*

This way it benefits all parties:

-STS gets their big cash profit.
-Players have their own unique version of the old Lb vanity.
-Since it’s nontradable, the original ones keep their rarity and own uniqueness since they are tradabale.

Thoughts?


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[Bluez88]

I agree with your redesign. A perfect example would be ghost ice spirit (like they’ve done to medusa), ghost yeti and the ghost ghost for mage.

However they should be lb rewards only. Yes plat makes it more available and eventually people will complain because of how common it will become (believe me many people will spend 8000 plat for certain vanities).

If they are implemented as lb rewards it gives incentive to people to farm and grind to achieve them. People will then say what about those who work who have no chance on the lb. Well simple make them tradeable so if you can’t grind then just purchase of another player.

[xsilentninjax]

I agree with your redesign. A perfect example would be ghost ice spirit (like they’ve done to medusa), ghost yeti and the ghost ghost for mage.

However they should be lb rewards only. Yes plat makes it more available and eventually people will complain because of how common it will become (believe me many people will spend 8000 plat for certain vanities).

If they are implemented as lb rewards it gives incentive to people to farm and grind to achieve them. People will then say what about those who work who have no chance on the lb. Well simple make them tradeable so if you can’t grind then just purchase of another player.

"purchase of another player" -> high demand and owners will raise their price, next thing you'll get manipulation threads all over again. Outstanding move

[Bluez88]

Thats for people that dont do nothing with their lives family person with work that are the reason that this game have stayed alive deserve better And this vanities will never be on the hands of working people . So i dont mind paying extra for vanities they should leave like it is. Dont bring them back theybhave never done it in a game will loose a lot of player old ones. New ones you need to grind like us for years

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The simple solution to this is to make the vanities tradeable that gives players who work a chance to purchase them. This way people will have to either put in lots of time and effort to earn the vanities through leaderboard or simply lots of gold to buy them off another player. Both parties get a chance.

[Bluez88]

"purchase of another player" -> high demand and owners will raise their price, next thing you'll get manipulation threads all over again. Outstanding move

Yes there will be high demand, if someone really wants the vanity they will pay more. Price manipulation for all we know will always exist, as currently there is a lot of inflation in the economy due to pirates booty event so the economy is taking
An impact right now, even the devs confirmed this quoting you may experience impact within the economy.

A vanity alone will NOT cause price manipulation.
Some people just don’t like the idea of prices increasing, its part of the game so it will always exist.

[xsilentninjax]

Yes there will be high demand, if someone really wants the vanity they will pay more. Price manipulation for all we know will always exist, as currently there is a lot of inflation in the economy due to pirates booty event so the economy is taking
An impact right now, even the devs confirmed this quoting you may experience impact within the economy.

A vanity alone will NOT cause price manipulation.
Some people just don’t like the idea of prices increasing, its part of the game so it will always exist.

and what kind of solution does that make? it only repeats a cycle doesn't it? I overpaid for my vanities, and certainly i'm not particularly against this

[Laezeo]

1+ Yeah. I feel sad that I can not afford this kind of prices as time goes on.

I owned a tree set and I don’t mind bringing them back in the store for 10 plat. Hopefully this coming winter event SOON. I just want a twin brother :(

I hate when someone say “Richie” or “Rich” to me

[Spooked]

1+ Yeah. I feel sad that I can not afford this kind of prices as time goes on.

I owned a tree set and I don’t mind bringing them back in the store for 10 plat. Hopefully this coming winter event SOON. I just want a twin brother :(

I hate when someone say “Richie” or “Rich” to me

Then wear vanity that’s not worth a dime, the closest you’ll get to being unrecognized for your riches

[Giant bench]

Nah what’s the point of them rereleasing a recolored or redesigned version of them them as a “new” lb Reward in the next events, they will be untradable and people will lose interest in them after the second day since only top 5 or 10 will get one set.

It’s better the way gold king said, if his suggestion did good that week and people are happy and sts make good profit then sts will rerelease them again, this way for the people who are not “okay whales” or buy platinum in general have a chance to save up platinum to buy one of these sets. Since this suggestion is bound to come more than 1 time a year.

[BaronB]

B-but NoOo I TthInK tHey shouLd stay rAre!!

[Bluez88]

Because people like exclusivity, and bringing them for plat in the store gets rid of that. For example if ice spirit, yeti or golem were to return to the store for plat it would lose its exclusivity and many players will complain.

And people don’t lose interest in lb vanities, it all depends what the vanity is. Last years Halloween top 5 lb vanity was ugly imo and did not resemble a nice looking vanity. If the vanity is nice then people don’t lose interest. And if it is tradeable then players have the chance to purchase them.

Not every player will be able to afford this, but that’s understandable because we are talking about lb vanities here and they should indeed be difficult to acquire.

For other players other vanities can be implemented through your idea of plat, however I’m am strictly speaking about lb vanities.

[Meexii]

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[THE GOLDEN KING]

Because people like exclusivity, and bringing them for plat in the store gets rid of that. For example if ice spirit, yeti or golem were to return to the store for plat it would lose its exclusivity and many players will complain.

And people don’t lose interest in lb vanities, it all depends what the vanity is. Last years Halloween top 5 lb vanity was ugly imo and did not resemble a nice looking vanity. If the vanity is nice then people don’t lose interest. And if it is tradeable then players have the chance to purchase them.

Not every player will be able to afford this, but that’s understandable because we are talking about lb vanities here and they should indeed be difficult to acquire.

For other players other vanities can be implemented through your idea of plat, however I’m am strictly speaking about lb vanities.

I think you misunderstood what I meant from “Recoloring/Redesign” them...


I’m speaking about making this for platinum...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/12ae0186c67ccdad785918e53fdc010c.jpg


And NOT releasing this for platinum...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/400d6544eebed832c53252535379eea7.jpg


Like I’ve stated earlier... benefits everyone...

-STS makes their cash profit...

-Players have their own Unique nontradable version of the old lb vanity...

-The originals will keep their rarity and value since they’re original and they’re tradable...

This is what I was trying to get at... hopefully you understood.

Another example would be:

“Juiced Up Frank”
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/eb1f30259168fc181a58c65c34b81c8c.jpg

-Price: 8,400 platinum
-Nontradable vanity *Set*


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[Bluez88]

I think you misunderstood what I meant from “Recoloring/Redesign” them...



I’m speaking about making this for platinum...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/12ae0186c67ccdad785918e53fdc010c.jpg


And NOT releasing this for platinum...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/400d6544eebed832c53252535379eea7.jpg


Like I’ve stated earlier... benefits everyone...

-STS makes their cash profit...

-Players have their own Unique nontradable version of the old lb vanity...

-The originals will keep their rarity and value since they’re original and they’re tradable...

This is what I was trying to get at... hopefully you understood.

Another example would be:

“Juiced Up Frank”
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/eb1f30259168fc181a58c65c34b81c8c.jpg

-Price: 8,400 platinum
-Nontradable vanity *Set*


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Yes I understood, I just used the original lb vanities as an example. If you were referring to recoloured lb vanities for plat I do agree with that.

I was referring to redesigns of previous lb vanities for lb rewards only. An example is medusa and the redesigned version being ghost medusa. Vanities like these should be lb only. And recoloured can be purchasable via plat therefore everyone benefits.

[THE GOLDEN KING]

Yes I understood, I just used the original lb vanities as an example. If you were referring to recoloured lb vanities for plat I do agree with that.

I was referring to redesigns of previous lb vanities for lb rewards only. An example is medusa and the redesigned version being ghost medusa. Vanities like these should be lb only. And recoloured can be purchasable via plat therefore everyone benefits.

Ah, so we both agree on redesigned/Recolored version of lb vanities/rare vanities for platinum. XC alright noice.


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[Redjellydonut]

+111 Wow can believe I never thought about this idea lol. I won a fair share of expensive rare vanities and I would not mind this! [emoji102] we need a restock and bad! All those banned account took alot of amazing this with them :(


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[xsilentninjax]

Yes I understood, I just used the original lb vanities as an example. If you were referring to recoloured lb vanities for plat I do agree with that.

I was referring to redesigns of previous lb vanities for lb rewards only. An example is medusa and the redesigned version being ghost medusa. Vanities like these should be lb only. And recoloured can be purchasable via plat therefore everyone benefits.

"and recoloured can be purchasable via plat therefore everyone benefits"

do realize that king stated that the vanity set would be untradeable, which contradicts "everyone" here. All i see the ones benefiting are sts and the plat buyers. Sure plat buyers keep the game running but what about the players that grind? Aren't the purpose of lb vanities is for people to grind for it?

[Ilove_Poopoo]

Inflation is Inflation as long as these gold mines exist, without an effective goldsink to equalize.

Manipulation Is manipulation as long as STS doesn't do anything despite proof, and for those players who defend such. How about stop beating around the bush, making excuses and contemplate on the real problems, Inflation and Manipulation.

Just because there are individuals who aren't fond with these driving forces affecting the prices doesn't justify it to be re-introduced.

Are ya'll gonna turn a blind eye for those individuals who bought these vanities for its advertised exclusivity, and the fact that only so little have possession?







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[PatD]

-1111
I don't own any of those rare vanity and i am strongly against any recolor or reintroduction
of those old vanity, there is a constant flux of new vanity, get those one and wait til they are rare!!
Why people absolutely want to destroy this rarity??

I prefer 1000 times to get new vanity instead, just think of what happen with green arlor....

[Bluez88]

"and recoloured can be purchasable via plat therefore everyone benefits"

do realize that king stated that the vanity set would be untradeable, which contradicts "everyone" here. All i see the ones benefiting are sts and the plat buyers. Sure plat buyers keep the game running but what about the players that grind? Aren't the purpose of lb vanities is for people to grind for it?

Yes I did mean to say they would be untradeable. And who says only plat buyers can benefit. There can always be another way or method for grinders to benefit also. This is just an idea, that is not fully developed. So yes pieces might be missing here and there. But who said we are forgetting about grinders and only care for plat users. Like I said just an idea, and anyone else on these forums can contribute on their ideas and what they would like to see.

[xsilentninjax]

-1111
I don't own any of those rare vanity and i am strongly against any recolor or reintroduction
of those old vanity, there is a constant flux of new vanity, get those one and wait til they are rare!!
Why people absolutely want to destroy this rarity??

I prefer 1000 times to get new vanity instead, just think of what happen with green arlor....

green arlor isn't an lb vanity. Also i was wondering if they were going to release a blue version next, would definitely liked it personally

[RedeZy]

-1111
I don't own any of those rare vanity and i am strongly against any recolor or reintroduction
of those old vanity, there is a constant flux of new vanity, get those one and wait til they are rare!!
Why people absolutely want to destroy this rarity??

I prefer 1000 times to get new vanity instead, just think of what happen with green arlor....
What are you talking about? The ONLY REASON why players want the old lb vanities is bevause they look GOOD unlike the current lb ones. You don’t get it. If sts actually made vanities as good as the older ones for lb half of the players wanting the old lb vanities would not complain, there has to be a variety of lb vanities and there is but the past 2 years they have just been meh. I’m certain that 90% of the community agrees that the current lb vanities aren’t all that amazing.

[THE GOLDEN KING]

"and recoloured can be purchasable via plat therefore everyone benefits"

do realize that king stated that the vanity set would be untradeable, which contradicts "everyone" here. All i see the ones benefiting are sts and the plat buyers. Sure plat buyers keep the game running but what about the players that grind? Aren't the purpose of lb vanities is for people to grind for it?

That’s why it comes a few times a year, say every 4-3 months? Or 3-4 times a year..

This gives you time to do FREE plat offers and buy a little bit of plat once a month or so. So it gives you time to save up to buy one of these unique vanities, so like I said...

Benefits everyone!!

On a side note, you or what player can make it top 10 on an energy based event solely on farmable energies?... not questioning your ability to do so... but it’s a little to almost impossible...


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[reyals]

I think you misunderstood what I meant from “Recoloring/Redesign” them...


I’m speaking about making this for platinum...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/12ae0186c67ccdad785918e53fdc010c.jpg


And NOT releasing this for platinum...
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/400d6544eebed832c53252535379eea7.jpg


Like I’ve stated earlier... benefits everyone...

-STS makes their cash profit...

-Players have their own Unique nontradable version of the old lb vanity...

-The originals will keep their rarity and value since they’re original and they’re tradable...

This is what I was trying to get at... hopefully you understood.

Another example would be:

“Juiced Up Frank”
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/eb1f30259168fc181a58c65c34b81c8c.jpg

-Price: 8,400 platinum
-Nontradable vanity *Set*


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I thought here was really your LAST suggestion about vanities:
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?506739-My-last-Suggestion(Vanity-Related)

why do u still posting your bs in every thread related to vanities?

[THE GOLDEN KING]

I thought here was really your LAST suggestion about vanities:
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?506739-My-last-Suggestion(Vanity-Related)

why do u still posting your bs in every thread related to vanities?

I didn’t make another thread about it... if that’s what you’re asking... just an example I tried to explain.

On a side note, shouldn’t you make another thread about how rogues are the weakest class and another thread crying about pvp balance or something?


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[Ilove_Poopoo]

What are you talking about? The ONLY REASON why players want the old lb vanities is bevause they look GOOD unlike the current lb ones. You don’t get it. If sts actually made vanities as good as the older ones for lb half of the players wanting the old lb vanities would not complain, there has to be a variety of lb vanities and there is but the past 2 years they have just been meh. I’m certain that 90% of the community agrees that the current lb vanities aren’t all that amazing.

Recent vanities looking "bad" is your own subjective preference.

Reintroducing vanities, specifically those advertised as "exclusive" is unethical. Thats decieving, false advertising, basically fraud.

Its all competition, want that vanity? Then get around the other hundreds who also want it.

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[RedeZy]

A typical and prime example would be the ice spirit 2014 lb vanity, now compare the ice spirit vanity that came from winter 2014 to 2020 ursoths vanity, the ice spirit vanity makes the ursoth lb one look like it’s 10k gold. They are both lb so why does one look so much better than the other, point is every lb vanity tradeable or not should look as good as each other, then that creates variety in AL meaning that players have other lb vanities to chase besides the old ones

[Redjellydonut]

I love this idea so much i just saved some cash in case it becomes reality [emoji1787] u never know tbh. Devs been listening to players lately soo [emoji2371]

Vanities have been so boring since I came back to the game a couple months ago. Back then mummy vanities flooded the market and were attainable for 300k. The mummy wings were literally trash lol Nobody wanted those things. Now people dropping 15m for these sets [emoji1787] This is the sad case for alot of the vanities. The restock is needed to quench the thirst of these “inflation” rioters and the economy as a whole tbh. Would be nice to bring some more life into the game.


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[PatD]

What are you talking about? The ONLY REASON why players want the old lb vanities is bevause they look GOOD unlike the current lb ones. You don’t get it. If sts actually made vanities as good as the older ones for lb half of the players wanting the old lb vanities would not complain, there has to be a variety of lb vanities and there is but the past 2 years they have just been meh. I’m certain that 90% of the community agrees that the current lb vanities aren’t all that amazing.

This is not true, the ONLY REASON they want it is because they can't have it, if they become common no one will use them anymore,
and when you say it is because they are more good, i don't agree either as i find celtic armor or magmatus vanity way nicer than frank set, so please be honest and don't say people want them cause they are "more good"

:)

[RedeZy]

Recent vanities looking "bad" is your own subjective preference.

Reintroducing vanities, specifically those advertised as "exclusive" is unethical. Thats decieving, false advertising, basically fraud.

Its all competition, want that vanity? Then get around the other hundreds who also want it.

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Unethical? Really ok. Let’s talk about sns it was displayed a lb reward so why did they bring it back when players spent 20+ hours a day grinding for it for 3 weeks. What about nightshade when it was a lb reward? They brought it back. Another similar situation is the green arlor vanity that caused a outrage, it was pricey and exclusive now it’s worth nothing. It’s been done in the past and it can happen again.

As for the current ones looking “bad” like I said I’m pretty sure 90% of the community thinks they are meh, I didn’t say bad or imply it. If there was a poll between let’s say a ghost medusa/ice spirit vanity set against a halloween 2019 vanity set I am so certain and positive majority of the players will pick the ice spirit/ghost medusa set, yes it may be subjective but it’s facts, most players wants the older ones for a reason not the newer ones.

[RedeZy]

This is not true, the ONLY REASON they want it is because they can't have it, if they become common no one will use them anymore,
and when you say it is because they are more good, i don't agree either as i find celtic armor or magmatus vanity way nicer than frank set, so please be honest and don't say people want them cause they are "more good"

:)

I’m not talking about tank vanities. I’m specifically talking about the rogue versions. The reason isn’t because they can’t have it, it’s simple. If sts put out a ice spirit in front of everyone and a Halloween 2019 doll vanity (gold) regardless if it’s a lb vanity or not people will choose the ice spirit, forget it being a lb vanity, forget it being exclusive.

[|Ares|]

I think majority of you are missing out the point.

I said bring back CURRENTLY EXISTING tradeable sets and essentials like backpacks and weapons to the game.

No recolors (stop with that wannabe hellboy set seriously), put back into the game stuff that's been here in the past leaderboard events and was tradeable.
Make people stop complaining about how expensive those items are.

Don't forget - it's just a game.

That's all.

[Bluez88]

This is not true, the ONLY REASON they want it is because they can't have it, if they become common no one will use them anymore,
and when you say it is because they are more good, i don't agree either as i find celtic armor or magmatus vanity way nicer than frank set, so please be honest and don't say people want them cause they are "more good"

:)

“Only reason they want it is because they can’t have it” so if someone manages to get their hands on a lb vanity they don’t want it anymore simply because they have it in their possession.

Your comment makes no sense. People want them for their exclusivity and looks. Yes I agree frank set isn’t that nice imo. But for rogues, many players like the ice spirit set since it is unique looking and extremely rare. That is why people want it, atleast for that certain set. People have their subjective preferences. There is obviously going to be individuals that don’t like the lb vanities, that’s just part of life not everyone will like the same thing. But I think I can say for most rogues that ice spirit is a nice looking set.

[Hel]

+1 for that, and don't forget, the forum is free for everyone to give their opinions :)

[Ilove_Poopoo]

Unethical? Really ok. Let’s talk about sns it was displayed a lb reward so why did they bring it back when players spent 20+ hours a day grinding for it for 3 weeks. What about nightshade when it was a lb reward? They brought it back. Another similar situation is the green arlor vanity that caused a outrage, it was pricey and exclusive now it’s worth nothing. It’s been done in the past and it can happen again.

As for the current ones looking “bad” like I said I’m pretty sure 90% of the community thinks they are meh, I didn’t say bad or imply it. If there was a poll between let’s say a ghost medusa/ice spirit vanity set against a halloween 2019 vanity set I am so certain and positive majority of the players will pick the ice spirit/ghost medusa set, yes it may be subjective but it’s facts, most players wants the older ones for a reason not the newer ones.

Just because it had happened doesn't make it ethical, or justify for everything else exclusive to be back just so these lazy, inconsiderate and self-centered individuals would be satisfied (like youself).

Another thing is just because many want them doesn't justify it to be back.

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[Ilove_Poopoo]

I think majority of you are missing out the point.

I said bring back CURRENTLY EXISTING tradeable sets and essentials like backpacks and weapons to the game.

No recolors (stop with that wannabe hellboy set seriously), put back into the game stuff that's been here in the past leaderboard events and was tradeable.
Make people stop complaining about how expensive those items are.

Don't forget - it's just a game.

That's all.
For all we know bringing back whats advertised as exclusive is unethical, deceptive and false advertising.

With that in mind why not bring those criers and heraldrics back aswell, because you know.. "Its just a game"? [emoji2368]


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[RedeZy]

Your post literally makes zero sense, if you understood what I was saying you would actually understand but no. I have no time for players like you.

[QuaseT]

-1 Exclusively from ... lb or only obtainable in the ... event. Thats what their description says, thats why I ran the lbs/events many years ago, thats why people are so desperate to obtain them.
Further on I dont see how this helps against "market manipulators". They just gonna use different items or the rereleased sets again.

[|Ares|]

And why not bring back those criers heraldrics to the list, because you know, "its just a game".



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Sure thing, I don't see the point of why this should not happen. Because some people started playing for example in 2016 and were never available to obtain them in early 2013 when those old armors were simply available to be looted on Brackenridge maps?
Bring back old Arlor WinterFest vanities back into the store as well, same as increase the drop chances of arcane weapons in elite golden chests so people will have something to farm for. Not just gold loot spam primarily.
Marvelous Villain sets? Desert Assassin sets? Put them into new crates, not even leaderboard sets but highly desired where 1 was in locks before and other one was for 50 plats a set during 2016 Lovecraft event?

Remember that Shady & Surge was an exclusive leaderboard pet as well in past (Nightshade as well) and was reintroduced some time later so playerbase could obtain it in wider range and enjoy the pet itself.

If Slain King weapons could've been reintroduced as craftable vanities using new recipes I don't see the reason why Heraldic or Crier sets (being back in loot table) cannot have the same treatment.

[|Ares|]

-1 Exclusively from ... lb or only obtainable in the ... event. Thats what their description says, thats why I ran the lbs/events many years ago, thats why people are so desperate to obtain them.
Further on I dont see how this helps against "market manipulators". They just gonna use different items or the rereleased sets again.

Sure thing, going by this logic, reintroduce same 25 golem sets back into the game with fair use to anyone who could compete for them (Leaderboard, events anything).
Not having it raise in value just because people got banned with those sets throughout the years.

[PatD]

“Only reason they want it is because they can’t have it” so if someone manages to get their hands on a lb vanity they don’t want it anymore simply because they have it in their possession.

Your comment makes no sense. People want them for their exclusivity and looks. Yes I agree frank set isn’t that nice imo. But for rogues, many players like the ice spirit set since it is unique looking and extremely rare. That is why people want it, atleast for that certain set. People have their subjective preferences. There is obviously going to be individuals that don’t like the lb vanities, that’s just part of life not everyone will like the same thing. But I think I can say for most rogues that ice spirit is a nice looking set.

“Only reason they want it is because they can’t have it”

-Sometimes it can feel like you're always chasing something you can't have.
It can feel like the more something pulls away, the more you end up wanting it.
This is partly due to our vanity and self-esteem, and partly due to our warped sense of their value.

this is part of most of us, and subject to psychological studies, so please don't say my comment make no sense ;)

as for the look of those old van, i agree some look very nice but as someone point out it would be unethical to reintroduce them, and if they start bringing back everything that was tradable, what is the point to collect them?

What is ask here is same thing as if ill start asking to have a Chevrolet Impala 1956 "Because i wasn't born and i want one!!"

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[ninjers]

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[Ilove_Poopoo]

Sure thing, I don't see the point of why this should not happen. Because some people started playing for example in 2016 and were never available to obtain them in early 2013 when those old armors were simply available to be looted on Brackenridge maps?
Bring back old Arlor WinterFest vanities back into the store as well, same as increase the drop chances of arcane weapons in elite golden chests so people will have something to farm for. Not just gold loot spam primarily.
Marvelous Villain sets? Desert Assassin sets? Put them into new crates, not even leaderboard sets but highly desired where 1 was in locks before and other one was for 50 plats a set during 2016 Lovecraft event?

Remember that Shady & Surge was an exclusive leaderboard pet as well in past (Nightshade as well) and was reintroduced some time later so playerbase could obtain it in wider range and enjoy the pet itself.

If Slain King weapons could've been reintroduced as craftable vanities using new recipes I don't see the reason why Heraldic or Crier sets (being back in loot table) cannot have the same treatment.

And this is your "clever" solution to solve inflation, manipulation?

Besides those who whine, who would benefit?

You can't put exclusive and player base together, it makes it contradictory.

And with that logic, I don't see why Speed demon banners and such shouldn't be back aswell [emoji2368]. Since both lb vanities and banners were adressed as "exclusive for this event in this year" so..

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[|Ares|]

And this is your "clever" solution to solve inflation, manipulation?

Besides those who whine, who would benefit?

You can't put exclusive and player base together, it makes it contradictory.

And with that logic, I don't see why Speed demon banners and such shouldn't be back aswell [emoji2368]. Since both lb vanities and banners were adressed as "exclusive for this event in this year" so..

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I see that part of "tradeable and obtainable vanities and essentials" triggers you for some reason.
Speed Demon banner was a community contest btw. So I don't know what's your point about it in general.
About the rest the "clever" idea is in general something that has been on the table throughout the community threads and talks for quite long time now.
If you're after a "No" then just say so and don't go over someone elses "contradicting" with use of words exclusive, ethical and player base.
You clearly don't see the fair use in "Exclusive" that's been working in this game for years time now. It's a flexible word, quite adaptive and sometimes overhyped so people tend to stick whatever is so called "exclusive".

[Ilove_Poopoo]

I see that part of "tradeable and obtainable vanities and essentials" triggers you for some reason.
Speed Demon banner was a community contest btw. So I don't know what's your point about it in general.
About the rest the "clever" idea is in general something that has been on the table throughout the community threads and talks for quite long time now.
If you're after a "No" then just say so and don't go over someone elses "contradicting" with use of words exclusive, ethical and player base.
You clearly don't see the fair use in "Exclusive" that's been working in this game for years time now. It's a flexible word, quite adaptive and sometimes overhyped so people tend to stick whatever is so called "exclusive".

Everything aside,

Im going by your logic. Why are you now opposed if Speed demon banners were to be back?

From where it was obtained doesn't change the fact that both lb vanities, and banners are addressed as exclusive in the context of in the possession of the minority.

If having these banners back upsets you, then don't turn a blind eye stating that old lb vanities should too.

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[QuaseT]

Sure thing, going by this logic, reintroduce same 25 golem sets back into the game with fair use to anyone who could compete for them (Leaderboard, events anything).
Not having it raise in value just because people got banned with those sets throughout the years.Here is no logic. Its a statement from the items description and my opinion on that. I believe 2020 lb players dont deserve a free 2014 set. If you have another opinion its alright and Im fine with that. I dont want to see those sets coming again. Thats as clear as I can make it.

[|Ares|]

Everything aside,

Im going by your logic. Why are you now opposed if Speed demon banners were to be back?

From where it was obtained doesn't change the fact that both lb vanities, and banners are addressed as exclusive in the context of in the possession of the minority.

If having these banners back upsets you, then don't turn a blind eye stating that old lb vanities should too.

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What?
Where did I say Im opposed for those banners to be back?
What are you even on about mate? I'm on about vanities not forum contest banners? xD
It's like you saying people who obtained first Tour of Arlor Elite Journeyman vanities should be now upset that there's a sequel happening with another set of vanities.
Btw, bring back Speed Demon banners with new forum contest - Nothing against it. lol

[Ilove_Poopoo]

What?
Where did I say Im opposed for those banners to be back?
What are you even on about mate? I'm on about vanities not forum contest banners? xD
It's like you saying people who obtained first Tour of Arlor Elite Journeyman vanities should be now upset that there's a sequel happening with another set of vanities.
Btw, bring back Speed Demon banners with new forum contest - Nothing against it. lol

Long story short. Lb vanities shouldn't be back. That basically degrades the initial holders who still retain them. As I said, its unethical and falls under deception and false advertising.

Theres a reason lb rewards are now untradable, to stop the drama between manipulation/inflation. Maybe its time ya'll move on, and contemplate to why from those thousands of similar threads, no Dev ever bothered.

About the journeyman sequal, it is nothing alike with what you suggest, which is to re-introduce exact same vanities.

Tc !

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[Redjellydonut]

This thread has gotten so much attention in 3 hours! [emoji23] We might be onto something good [emoji102]


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[Overbear]

B-but NoOo I TthInK tHey shouLd stay rAre!!

Lmaoo :triumphant:

[Pinklips]

Excellent idea oh my my !! What a genius you are ! But instead of them available in crates, they should be made to drop from event bosses unlimitedly or include them in any event token vendor for 1k or 2k tokens, so that every lazy greedy player can finally have one without doing any hard work or spending 0 gold and finally stop crying.. Putting them in a crate is a bad idea bcos there is a chance that they might again go rare after 1 or 2 years and again those lazy whiners will cry about the price rise and "manipulation".. I did a lot of hardwork and spent rl money on plats to own some of the old rare vanities since collecting those vanities motivates me to play Al but its ok cos right now it's more important to satisfy the needs of our crybabies who wants to own expensive vanities without spending much gold.. And no need to do anything about the insane gold loot system which is actually causing inflation but just let's bring back old rare vanities.. And why only the tradable should come back ? The good looking untradeable vanities should also come back.. Why only should the owners of tradable vanities suffer ? There are many people who can't run lb cos of rl issues so they buy expensive old vanities. It will be unfair towards them if only tradable ones come back.. When you are about to destroy the rarity and exclusivity of a game, destroy it completely from every point and angle. There is no reason why the untradable ones shouldn't come back. Let's contribute in killing the game completely :).

[Motherless_Child]

Just reintroduce every possible tradeable vanity set, backpack or weapon once again in new crates for plats.
So people can finally stop whining about inflation and market manipulation.
Myself owning rare vanities - I'm not bothered if they gonna come back to the game.
Just do it.


What are you talking about????

Rare loot vanities????

NO!

Rare loot vanities should remain as that.... No Re-Looting........

No more Frank, No more ghost, no more villain...... The focus needs to be more new rare vanities...........

[Spooked]

First come first serve?

[Redjellydonut]

Maybe not all vanities but 4-6 vanities of each class. As far as LB vanities i disagree. Crates are to easy to obtain. IF! anything they would have to be on shop limited 5 quantity and 10k plat. Just to keep the value of them reasonable and rarity reasonable. But we definitely need vanities...thats not a question. Most of the vanity in auction are the same and 2016+


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[Pinklips]

Maybe not all vanities but 4-6 vanities of each class. As far as LB vanities i disagree. Crates are to easy to obtain. IF! anything they would have to be on shop limited 5 quantity and 10k plat. Just to keep the value of them reasonable and rarity reasonable. But we definitely need vanities...thats not a question. Most of the vanity in auction are the same and 2016+


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Its not the only the LB vanities which are expensive and rare.. The old rare non-lb vanities are also expensive and is it fair to rerelease them again where anyone and everyone can easily have them without much efforts ? Is it fair to those who bought them with all their gold thinking that it's rare and exclusive ? And yes we do need vanities but why only the old ones ? Why not focus on new vanities ? Isn't Sts making new vanities each and every event ? If old rare vanities come back, than won't they lose their rarity and exclusivity ? What people will gain from bringing back old vanities ? They won't even wear it once it becomes common just like green arlor sets Rogue.. So ultimately that particular vanity will be a trash after sometime. Why not focus on upcoming new vanities instead ?

[gilsooon]

You guys just dont understand it people are paying because of its rareness. As i reiterate if original jester is color red no one will care about the pink jester -.-. in fact when it was cheap before less care about it lookin cool some even prefer that 10m vanity from spend instead of frank set. And see for example too the commando set it was look as exqusite before and when released again whos wearing it now? Now who is greedy those who farmed hard to these vanities and paid high or those new players who want everything at their hand for just 10m. Its just vanities no stats :3

[firebelt & crystalkiller]

You guys just dont understand it people are paying because of its rareness. As i reiterate if original jester is color red no one will care about the pink jester -.-. in fact when it was cheap before less care about it lookin cool some even prefer that 10m vanity from spend instead of frank set. And see for example too the commando set it was look as exqusite before and when released again whos wearing it now? Now who is greedy those who farmed hard to these vanities and paid high or those new players who want everything at their hand for just 10m. Its just vanities no stats :3+1 quadrillion
Bugface is an example.. Imagine it was as common as red basket or other 5k vanities...
No one Wil even bother keeping it in inv.
But just its rarity makes it equippable..
Imo lepre banner /shadowpire enhanced wings/bugface/Medusa armor (helms decent) all looks trash if u consider just the looks.. But it's rarity makes it a dream.

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[Bundlos]

I doubt they would do that. But who knows, the devs might surprise us by bringing back old lb vanities. As for all other non-lb sets forum contests like this can keep them circulating every year:
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?485712-CONTEST-The-Official-Arlor-Tavern-Crawl-Guild-Hall-House-Decoration-Contest&highlight=Patrick

Well, if you think about it, there could be some recolours of a couple lb vanities. Lucky jack, lucky golem have co-existed with Ice spirit, Ice golem so I don't see why something similar can't be done.

-1 to redesigns (take a look at the Red Arlor redesign, ugh), -1 to putting any lb/non-lb set for sale on store for plat. And I agree with the person who said that older vanity designs (both lb and non-lb) beat the new ones. I love to collect and I have almost every new vanity, but I would rather wear any of the old ones because the current releases make my rogue look like a skinny warrior. It's been like this for more than a year now that rogue vanities don't get contoured properly anymore. Taken three gender neutral vanity images to demonstrate:
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[gilsooon]

I doubt they would do that. But who knows, the devs might surprise us by bringing back old lb vanities. As for all other non-lb sets forum contests like this can keep them circulating every year:
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?485712-CONTEST-The-Official-Arlor-Tavern-Crawl-Guild-Hall-House-Decoration-Contest&highlight=Patrick

Well, if you think about it, there could be some recolours of a couple lb vanities. Lucky jack, lucky golem have co-existed with Ice spirit, Ice golem so I don't see why something similar can't be done.

-1 to redesigns (take a look at the Red Arlor redesign, ugh), -1 to putting any lb/non-lb set for sale on store for plat. And I agree with the person who said that older vanity designs (both lb and non-lb) beat the new ones. I love to collect and I have almost every new vanity, but I would rather wear any of the old ones because the current releases make my rogue look like a skinny warrior. It's been like this for more than a year now that rogue vanities don't get contoured properly anymore. Taken three gender neutral vanity images to demonstrate:
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Just +1 to new op tradable lb vanities

[Bundlos]

Just +1 to new op tradable lb vanities

I didn't say anything about new tradeable lb vanities though :concern: