Ranked PVP Changes - the elimination of non-Honor Ranked

[Cinco]

Sup, Legends!

As the title of this post indicates, we will be eliminating the non-Honor mode for Ranked PvP; making "Honor Ranked" the only Ranked PvP mode in the game.

This change will take effect at the start of next season!

The reasoning behind this change for this should be pretty obvious to those who regularly queue for Ranked. For those that haven't / don't play: there are simply too few Ranked participants to justify dividing the community among two different modes. It is our hope that by removing the non-Honor Ranked mode that we will see a greater number of participants for 'Honor' Ranked and that the queue times for 'Honor' Ranked matches will be affected positively.

We are also making changes to penalize players that abuse the systems we put in place to allow disconnected players to rejoin matches in progress. Apparently, legitimate internet service-based disconnects are rare to such an extent that providing a method to rejoin is simply unnecessary. So, in the future: leaving Ranked matches in progress will count as 2 points for your opponents.

Now obviously PVP-related changes tend to illicit widespread silence and contented shrugs... but I would encourage you to share your thoughts this time 'round if you have anything to say.
Don't be shy! And we thank you in advance ;-)

[Aosur]

Finally combat log in ranked matchs. Thanks.

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[sahgi12]

yes finally that leaving during the game has been fixed

[Davegrohll]

I personally like more than 2 points penalties for those who tends to leave game as a strategy.

[Overbear]

Good decision. Thank you.

[Zeus]

These sound like great changes and hope to bring more popularity to honor pvp!

[MiruZetu]

Finally i can find honor rank match in less than 5mins ty😇

[Stvength]

New pets and new legendary gears for next season plich[emoji23][emoji16]

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[Willl]

This is great update,thank you!

Here s my opinion about what other upgrades this lb needs @cinco:

-The popularity of honor ranked matches during last 5 days increased a lot due to the large amount of people going to gain last points before season ends so I ask:
Make honor ranked lb shorter as the hydra and infested lb (30days).

-Probably 100% of players agree that the banner style isnt encouraging pvpers to participate, we all thinks they are not so "cool":
Change them, revive their style, bring back the old pvp banners or make new ones.

I d suggest to bring back flag lb to but that's another topic :)

[Menace]

Queuing with teams, please.

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[Zeus]

Queuing with teams, please.

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No, this defeats the purpose of ranked honor pvp. You should be able to play with who you get. However, the queueing algorithm could use some tweaking as it definitely doesn't feel random. I've had a dozen or so matches at the top and I always get the same tank 95% of the time, despite other tanks being available and in range.

Perhaps something to look into, @Cinco.

[Perceval]

No, this defeats the purpose of ranked honor pvp. You should be able to play with who you get. However, the queueing algorithm could use some tweaking as it definitely doesn't feel random. I've had a dozen or so matches at the top and I always get the same tank 95% of the time, despite other tanks being available and in range.

Perhaps something to look into, @Cinco.

I think he means for normal honor pvp, not ranked honor

[capeo]

As a tank I think honor ranked is as fun as washing the dishes. Would be nice if you added something to normal pvp so more would play. I know how hard it is and has been or something would have been done already.

[Terrorshock1]

If your gonna take away normal rank please look into warrior stats I've notice rogues are more tanky than tanks (when tanks are off jugg) why? Simply because of the dmg reduction of razor
I suggest boosting the stats off aegis making tanks more tanky also reducing the dmg when using aegis
It's a even trade if you ask me
Let's us do our job right

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[Imback Al]

If you are talking about honor pvp..

Rogues are not tanky. Razor allows a rogue to focus on the opposing rogue without receiving an even greater amount of damage from curse than they already do. Making tanks more tanky with increased armor on aegis would simply allow the tank to have the survivability to fend off the entire oppo team until his jugg cd is over. Right now, the only way a rogue can hope of even killing a tank is if the 17% crit we have is gracious enough to give us a 2.5k max crit on a tank, comboing them twice in hopes that they die.

If you propose that tanks are not tanky enough, then you have to also concede the fact that rogues do not produce enough damage, which just is not true.

Outside of crit building (which is primarily used for a versus in honor pvp), the average damage of a rogue combo (taken from 10 combos, 5 with crit built up and 5 without buff), is roughly 3.5k.

Like I said earlier, the risk a rogue takes when attempting to engage the oppo rogue while cursed is immense. Accidentally comboing the mage results in a 30% hp drop, not to mention curse reduces crit for rogues :D

Honor pvp is fine the way it is. Just find a work around. Maybe try building your tank around survivability and dps.

[Zeus]

If you are talking about honor pvp..

Rogues are not tanky. Razor allows a rogue to focus on the opposing rogue without receiving an even greater amount of damage from curse than they already do. Making tanks more tanky with increased armor on aegis would simply allow the tank to have the survivability to fend off the entire oppo team until his jugg cd is over. Right now, the only way a rogue can hope of even killing a tank is if the 17% crit we have is gracious enough to give us a 2.5k max crit on a tank, comboing them twice in hopes that they die.

If you propose that tanks are not tanky enough, then you have to also concede the fact that rogues do not produce enough damage, which just is not true.

Outside of crit building (which is primarily used for a versus in honor pvp), the average damage of a rogue combo (taken from 10 combos, 5 with crit built up and 5 without buff), is roughly 3.5k.

Like I said earlier, the risk a rogue takes when attempting to engage the oppo rogue while cursed is immense. Accidentally comboing the mage results in a 30% hp drop, not to mention curse reduces crit for rogues :D

Honor pvp is fine the way it is. Just find a work around. Maybe try building your tank around survivability and dps.

I do agree that in clash, everything is balanced. Perhaps, warriors could have a slight HP boost so they can delay jugg. I do mean slight, btw. I would say around 150 HP more. Rogues don't ever really one combo tanks even off jugg unless tanks have already been hit with a FB and/or an axe armor debuff.

[reyals]

axe armor debuff

nice joke

[Verbie]

Ranked pvp was a very good idea spoiled by sore losers.

If it ever does come back it may survive if there are no prizes to win at the end of the season. There also needs to be a way to kick dummies/ trolls that are afk and possibly not allow entry if stats are below a certain power level similar to how Honor won't let you enter with non honor gear. After encountering people scared to lose who switched chars to cause intentional loss I wasn't interested any further. It also didn't help that some who reached higher spots stopped playing their regular characters and switched. How do I know they switched? Because their alts would show up in the next match after they lost.

[Pups]

@Cinco so does it mean the reward badge for this will be permanent since it will be removed by the next season or nah?

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[Zeus]

I think he means for normal honor pvp, not ranked honor


I did, thanks for the correction. <3

[Xyv.io]

Just remove the trulle forest map. It requires extra camera moving, can't keep it fixed.

[IExposedYou]

Why not remove lb for honor pvp too? Keep the option to play and just award all participants in the season who managed to have 75% win rate after x-games to get a season banner, where x is determined by devs. Less drama overall. People who truly like pvp will still play. People who are just after banner may still farm or people who harm other’s win rate may still feed but without lb they at least don’t know how much they need to farm or when to feed...

I still suggest to add the feature to not be placed in the same map with players we ignore. Just think about it. It’ll help in pve and pvp in the long run.
If we start to ignore everyone we won’t be able to enter a map (pve or pvp) as fast as others.
If we ignore all the weak players because we want to play with strong players, then they might as well do parties in pve. For pvp, it’ll bite them because they only can play against stronger players if they get matched at all.

Just my 2 cents. I don’t do pvp.

[trueido]

the honor pvp idea is great, but I think most players would rather play events that are almost allways available since you can get things from events so I believe if you make something like a vendor with seasonal vanities or anything special that can be obtain only by playing honor PvP, that system would be very great. lets say the team that wins in honor PvP gets 5 tokens each, and the losing team gets 1 token at the end of every match.
now at the vendor for example, you can get a pink vanity (based on the color of the badge in that season, just an idea^^) or a vanity set with the number 19/XIX theme since its season 19.
Please consider that idea!

[Ummmmm]

I think this has been brought up before somewhere, but a sure way to encourage people to play honor pvp is to add additional rewards to lb like exclusive pet eggs or additional vanities.

[Scll]

@Cinco @Futumsh Guildie was bugged in ranked honor and entered with dozer weapon, later was called for cheating when it was some kind of bugged. I'm not sure what exactly happened but maybe have a look into this and fix it. Here r some ss from him explaining.


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[Cinco]

We just updated the game with a fix for this issue. Thanks!

[yannahdev]

We just updated the game with a fix for this issue. Thanks!I think it would be better if the rank pvp and honor pvp, which should record the kdr for more fun, just my opinion. thank you very much, I hope you notice this. Love you [emoji4][emoji4][emoji4]

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[syntactic-sack]

Don't be shy put some more

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[Willl]

It is not fair have kdr in honor ranked.

I accept to lose points on lb if I am experienced but the others team mates are not. But I do not accept have a kdr 30/800 if I get unlucky teams. Why my stats account should be influenced by random strangers that will affect my account permanently?

+1 to add kdr in HONOR (non ranked) but only if the normal modes (with normal gears) will be shut down. This will bring back real old pvp, and much more active cause all will be addressed to less maps.
More competitive honor ranked lb

The negative fact it's cause of pvp aps. Too many players dummied them and new players will need to work on them like the original old players did (the fair hard way).

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[Skolking]

I do agree that in clash, everything is balanced. Perhaps, warriors could have a slight HP boost so they can delay jugg. I do mean slight, btw. I would say around 150 HP more. Rogues don't ever really one combo tanks even off jugg unless tanks have already been hit with a FB and/or an axe armor debuff.

Wtf bro then rogue should get 300armor so that they can be tanky a bit, if tanks delay jugg with hp wont they be immortal? That would only be unfair

[Inozuke]

add that maximum you can tie 3-5 people and the next member goes to the lower rank and does not join the top

[Stellarstorm]

some measures should be considered to reduce match feeding

[WheresKiuga]

@cinco

Shouldn’t the ranked points reset as well for every new season?

[Wap]

Please make it so that when you leave during combat then enemy team gets +2. Otherwise if a player outside a combat wants to go respec or restart device, they’re punished when their intentions were not malicious. I think punishment for leaving before dying is a great idea, just implemented wrong.


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[Aosur]

Please make it so that when you leave during combat then enemy team gets +2. Otherwise if a player outside a combat wants to go respec or restart device, they’re punished when their intentions were not malicious. I think punishment for leaving before dying is a great idea, just implemented wrong.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI posted something like that. Its called Combat Log, some games with pvp has it. If you leave a game while u was receiving damage the kill count.

They will add it, not the 2+ free kills.

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[Wap]

I posted something like that. Its called Combat Log, some games with pvp has it. If you leave a game while u was receiving damage the kill count.

They will add it, not the 2+ free kills.

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That works as well. I just did it based off the +2 since thats what it was before.


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[Loloo]

What will happen to the top 50 non honor ranked badge?

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[Aeot]

@Cinco @Futumsh Guildie was bugged in ranked honor and entered with dozer weapon, later was called for cheating when it was some kind of bugged. I'm not sure what exactly happened but maybe have a look into this and fix it. Here r some ss from him explaining.


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Sent from my SM-A505F using TapatalkIs your friend the guy from the video? If that's him he could simply stop abusing the glitch. I don't think it was fair to abuse the game and PvP mode, plus ruin the gameplay for everyone in the match.

[Scll]

Is your friend the guy from the video? If that's him he could simply stop abusing the glitch. I don't think it was fair to abuse the game and PvP mode, plus ruin the gameplay for everyone in the match."From the video?" Do I look like I watch every single video every AL player makes? Ur reply doesn't make any sense. This is was for sts and he had told me to alert sts about it since he was the only one who was glitched into this.

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[Futumsh]

Closing thread, Non-Honor Ranked PvP is now disabled.