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Entertaining
04-06-2012, 05:12 PM
Before I even begin the table of contents, let me first say that a lot of this is obvious to experienced low level pvpers. This is intended to help all from the complete noobs to suggestions for pros. I may post this elsewhere as well, but i would first like reviews from those who read the entire guide. Also, flaming and trolling will not be tolerated. A good comment may say "you spelled table wrong lol", while a bad comment would read "yur gide sux newb i pwn u".

ALSO. I know this is outdated. I'll be editing a post f bow guide into this soon for new players. The weapons here are effective but not against the new stuff.


Table of Contents
1. Pvp overview, introduction of the twink
2. Winning isn't everything
3. Concept of rushing and "go"
4. Rush after go
5. Consequences of rushing
6. People to rush
7. Deciding who to fight and consequences of fight
8. Power of dex bears
9. Bird overview
10. Enchantress overview
11. Dex bear overview
12. Guilds and players to look out for
13. Guilds to rush
14. Bird builds
15. Enchantress builds
16. Bear builds
17. Build side note
18. Credits
19. Message to reader
20. Favorite comments
21. Worthy achievements
22. TL;DR

1. Pvp overview, introduction of the Twink.
Pocket legends PVP (player versus player) has made many advances since its first creation. This is due to the rising amount of players and the development of what the players call a "twink." The different types of pvp vary greatly, starting at low levels with low amounts of skill points all the way up to max characters with an item special to their level. While pocket legends may be playable on many devices, this is not suggested due to lag and other reasons.

While new players may think it is wise to make a high leveled character for pvp, more experienced players know better than to do so. The reason behind this is that less experienced low level players stand no chance against the rich twinks. In a nut shell, twinks are low level characters with good stats and equipment, but this guide will go more in-depth on that later.

Because pvp is the potion free alternative to pve (player versus everyone, which is deceiving because it does not let you fight players) less experienced players find it to be a cheap way to have fun. They soon realize their error after fighting a twink, and generally quit pvp altogether. In reality, pvp is actually expensive, if you want to do good. The reason for this is pocket legends features multiple discontinued items (items that were once possible to get, but now are not through the original method), which naturally raise in price because of increasing rarity.


2. Winning isn't everythingWinning isn't everything. Unless you’re a support mage. The time that the myth "winning is everything" is shattered from the minds of pvp players varies, but they will eventually let it go. Pocket legends pvp has risen from barbaric like noobs constantly rushing (killing without warning) to what it is today. If you’re lucky, you may get a pvp tutor to teach you the ways. If not, you will learn it the hard way or give up. What new players aren't aware of when they get their first kill (usually rushing), is that in a fair match the player they killed would have most likely beaten them. If they can't beat them, they call on a guild for help.


3. Concept of rushing and "go"The concepts of rushing MUST be grasped quickly if one would like to do good in the complex warzone that is pvp. If success is your goal, you must learn to simple words. "Go" and "no" are the only words that are essential to not being rushed. "Go" is what you need to say before fighting just about everyone, until you get better. "No" is what you say to people who say go to you and you are certain a fight with them will not benefit you in any way. This simple amount of knowledge is probably the most important thing in this guide, so hopefully those who didn't already know this did not skip over this part of the guide.


4. Rush after goEven if both players say go, a rush can still occur. This happens when both players are so close to each other that one uses their "buffs" before the other, and gets to attack first. This is usually considered rushing, so it is best to start a fight with the two players far apart from one another to avoid trouble.


5. Consequences of rushingThe consequences of rushing can be destructive to your pvp career. First, you lose respect from that person and they will probably rush you back a couple times if they are nice, sometimes a lot more. Second, they may have multiple characters to rush you with (E.G. You rush a level 10 with your level 15 so they leave and come back with a level 20.) If that isn't enough to keep rushers away, they can always rely on a guild. When players in a guild get rushed, sometimes they tell their guild to rush you every time they see you. This can be particularly bad when they are in large guilds, so look around before you rush just anyone.


6. People to rushThis tip is controversial, but since it is my guide I will list it. There are noobs you can rush, and they show up periodically throughout the day. Some players choose to not rush them or even fight them at all. Because they have only one possibility of a consequence, it is common for people to locate said noobs, and show no mercy in destroying them instantly. The one thing that can happen from destroying a complete noob is someone else from the game will see it and get mad at you, possibly even rush you.

If you plan to be a "rushing twink", you need to know who to rush. There are some simple things you can do to decide whether the supposed "noob" is actually noob or not. First thing, check the name. If their name is full of random letters they are generally not very skilled. Secondly, check the guild. If they're in a guild that you rarely see they are most likely just randomly joining pvp games. Another thing to look at is their gear. For example, a bear with a staff is generally a free kill (unless his name is Xorejtz). Looking at gear can be misleading though because some people wear noob gear so people will rush them. Once they are rushed they use that as an excuse to rush you. Another small thing that i look at occasionally is the face of the supposed noob. If it's just your average face they could be a noob.

SIDENOTE: Recently, players in PVP have been standing up for the bad players. It is highly frowned upon by most to rush new players. The reason this section of the guide was added was to show why certain players have the Kill to Death ratio that they do. As helping out new players is becoming more and more common, it may be better to not mess with new players when you see good players. What you do when no one is around except new players is entirely up to you.


7. Deciding who to fight and consequences of fight
Deciding who to fight is entirely your call, but keep in mind the pros and cons of fighting each person. To help make this decision type where you chat into "/trade <enter players name>" and then press the "avatar" button from there to see their level and possibly the amount of kills and deaths they have. From there it should be pretty clear whether or not you will win, but this cannot always be 100% accurate. If you do decide to fight them, say "go <enter players name>" when you are a fair distance away and wait for them to do the same.

Positive consequences: you win and they respect you. Your kill death ratio rises and you get more respect all around. They may invite you to guild. You lose, they may say good job and respect you for fighting them if they are higher level. You lose and they give you constructive criticism, which is always helpful.

Negative consequences: you misunderstood them and rushed them so they kill you. You lose to a low level and they rush you on higher leveled character because you are bad. You do no damage and are marked as complete noob in the eyes of everyone there. If you are in a good guild and you do bad constantly, you may be kicked from your guild.


8. Power of dex bearsWhile some players take the traditional combat approach (bears with strength, birds with dexterity and mages with intelligence), most good players mix things up with characters called "dex bears". These characters have high dexterity but are bears, so they have all the skills of a bear with the gear of a bird, a deadly combination. These bears can be particularly dangerous to players who haven't seen one before because they are bears with weapons that go a much longer range than normal. There are three main types of characters this guide will teach of for now.


9. Bird overviewThe bird. This character is pretty much always going to have dexterity when around the twinking levels (10-20). The weapons they use can vary from talons to cross bows to snow-ball launchers, or even more. Most people wanting to get serious in pvp fork out a few platinum for rings and vanity to do even better (and look better of course). The good levels for birds are generally 16 and 18. Level 16 is the first level you can unlock break and spend gathered skill points on. Level 18 unlocks repulse which blasts the target away. Break reduces armor greatly and is generally essential to the skill builds of level 16 birds.

To most, birds are looked at as basically free kills, but what they don’t realize is the potential birds have. Although birds have low armor, they make up for it with their evade skill, which raises there dodge greatly. Birds rely on combos to kill their opponent. One great skill for a bird is the root which procs (makes the opponent immovable) the enemy. Most birds rush in and do their combo then follow with the root skill. After the root skill is used they begin to kite until they are able to use their combo again. Birds repeat this process until the death of their opponent. Some birds can take you out with one combo, but normally it takes two.


10. Enchantress overviewThe enchantress. There are three main types of mages (enchantresses) covered in this guide. The first is the "kite mage" and this one can be a tough one to use if lag is a factor in the fight. If you look to be a good kiting mage then you must use a device without lag and be able to afford good items like a toyman wand or a stormstrike wand. This type of character requires a bit more skill then others, but can be worth it. The strengths of the kite mage involve high amounts of skill points in healing and a mixture of frostbite and firestorm. These mages usually run while still using auto attack on the person chasing them, hence the name "kite mage". These types of mages can be frustrating to fight and have a weakness to items that can freeze people. If you want to be a good kiter do not fight players with items like the snowball launcher or duckfoot. The stats for these usually include 37 dexterity and the rest added into the intelligence character. The primary reason for this is so they can wear a ring that gives armor. The secondary reason for the dexterity is so that they can wear a snipers helm and wing, which give armor and higher hit percentage. The fighting strategies vary player to player for these characters, so find what works best for you, but try not to run in. Also, heal, heal, and heal again. This is very important for mages and is the reason they are so good.

The other job of a kiter mage is to be a "support mage". If the myth that winning is everything hasn't been taken from you, you may enjoy being one of these characters. The fun thing about being a good support mage is that you will almost never die, if you know what you are doing. Support mages are generally level 17 so they can use nightmare. The reason a support mage and kiter aren't separated into two separate

The second type of enchantress is called by some a "nuke mage". This mage specializes in the use of combos to destroy their target quickly and efficiently. This type of mage uses a lot less strategy and skill then a kiter mage and may be better for beginners to use. The weakness of these mages is that they have no healing and cannot run from other mages at all. These mages spend their skill points in specials that do high damage and lower the stats of their opponents. Because the strategy of a nuke mage is so simple, a strategy to fight them is equally simple. First, nuke mages are slightly rare to find and will usually be level. Second, if you fight them once and lose, you will probably lose again. When you do fight them, play their game. Nuke mages succeed because they expect to be kited (not always, but generally). When you fight a nuke mage, you need to do as much damage as fast as possible, as dodging will be very difficult. This strategy should stay constant, meaning; if you lose once with it you will probably lose every time.


11. Bear overviewThe last character you can possibly be is a bear. The only type of bear this guide will cover is the dex bear, as any other type is obsolete. As the name suggest, these bears have high dexterity and the skills "rage" and sometimes "iron blood", or IB. These types of characters can take on nearly any other and win, if they have the proper stat builds. These characters are versatile in the fact that you will find them at nearly every twinking level, and they generally do well. The weapons for these characters range from snowball launchers to talons to crossbows. For a helmet, use the best kind you can find (usually the one with the best armor), which will probably be ranked as a "green" in rarity. If you need a shield, the gingerbread defender is a common choice. Keep in mind that most of the bears damage relies on auto attack. When using nearly any twink, a ring that boosts stats is highly suggested, and can be purchased with platinum.

A strategy for a dex bear includes "buffing up", or using rage and iron blood at the beginning of the fight, then using auto attack and specials. It is highly common for dex bears to have high stomps and rage, and after level 16 the skill "iron blood". If your goal is to succeed as a dex bear, you must master the timing of your stomp. When facing other dex bears, attempt to dodge their stomp and hit with yours. The best strategy against a dex bear is to kite them so they can't stomp you. The snowball launcher and duckfoot are very good weapons for dex bears, as they freeze their opponent, setting up a combo for when they stomp. This combo shatters the opponent, and does a lot of damage.


12. Guilds and players to look out for
Some guilds and players will rush you. When it comes down to it, it’s your decision to run or fight, but here is some reasoning to back up your choice. First and most important, don’t rush sleep. If you see the word sleep under some players name in a game, don't mess with that player. Sleep is a guild that plays however it has to win. That means if you kill a low level sleep member, high level members are probably on the way. Here are some other guilds you may want to look out for:

- The Dissidents of Go (generally higher levels, but look out)
- Sit (Only if your noob)
- Sleep (Members not on often but when they are they will rush)

This section is not finished. Read the rest of this guide to find out how you can help, and possibly be added to the credits. You don't get a reward so don't ask for one.

While some guilds may be mostly good, most guilds have a few rushers in them, but don't attempt to take it out on the rest of the guild. This can end bad for you and the less skilled members of said guild. Players that may rush you, or should not be messed with are as follows:

- Vveird (or any account whose name starts with two v's, as this guy has a lot of alternate accounts)
- Kizzed (old and experienced player)
- Improving (partner of entertaining, will only rush if entertaining does)
- Moujie (china)
- Gundamsone (very wealthy and highly skilled, not to be messed with)
- Lolzwutt (gets bored and randomly rushes anyone, friends included)
- Sunblocks ("Sun..is god" - Uncleechinnn)
- GLOKS (Player skilled enough to get his entire name capitalized by most players)
- Jiven ("Now That's Unfortunate" - Jiven)
If you wish to be added to this section, get lost. Seriously though, if you feel someone is missing from here then do two things. First make sure they are level 10-20. If they are, make sure they are not in any of the guilds listed. If they meet those standards, message the account "improving" or "entertaining" in game to have them added. Keep in mind that beating one of these players once will not add you to this list.


13. Guilds to rush
Some people find it helpful to use someones guild mates for leverage (E.G., you rush me i rush your guild). This can be an okay approach if you have the skill but be very careful. This type of strategy can be good for justifying your desire for rushing, but can backfire when they team up on you. If multiple people from one guild rush you, it may be wise to rush everyone in the guild, so as to stop an onslaught of rushing before it starts (sleep). On the off chance you find a guild full of unskilled people that rush, it is highly suggested you pressure them into disbanding or simply rush them. The more guilds that rush together, the worse off the twinking community is.


14. Bird builds

Level 18 bird - by Vveird
2 focus, 6 evade, 1 repulse, 1 blastshot, 1 root, 5 break, 1 shatter
22 strength, 5 intelligence, rest on dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 15 toyman wand, level 15 expert leathers, level 10 snipers avian wing, dps ring


15. Enchantress builds
Level 17 support mage - by Entertaining
6 heal, 6 nightmare, 1 frost, 1 firestorm, 1 drain, 1 rev,
37 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 alchemist, snipers avian wing, armor ring

Level 17 nuke mage - by Entertaining
1 heal, 6 drain, 6 lightning, 1 frost, 2 firestorm
52 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 expert, level 10 snipers avian wing

Level 17 nuke/support mage - Degrading
4 heal, 6 drain, 5 fire, 1 frost
37 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of Choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 alchemist, level 10 snipers avian wing



16. Bear builds

Level 12 Dex bear - by Entertaining
6 rage, 4 stomp, 1 super mega slash
All stats added to dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 10 snipers avian talon, level 5 artisan leathers, level 10 snipers avian wing, ring that raises dps

Level 15 Dex bear- by Entertaining
6 rage, 6 stomp, 2 super mega slash
All stats added to dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 15 festive snowball launcher, level 15 artisan leathers, ring that raises dps

Level 15 Dex bear - by Sucked
6 rage, 5 stomp, 1 on each slash
All stats added to dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 15 jewel thiefs talon, level 15 artisan, level 10 snipers avian wing, dps ring

Level 17 Dex bear - by Entertaining
6 rage, 6 iron blood, 3 stomp, 1 super mega slash
All stats added to dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 17 jewel thief’s talon, level 15 artisan leathers, level 15 gingerbread defender, ring that raises dps

Level 17 Dex bear - by Lolzwutt
6 rage, 6 iron blood, 2 stomp, 1 super mega slash, 1 vengeful slash
All stats dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 17 jewel thief’s talon, level 15 artisan, level 15 pink gingerbread defender, armor ring

Level 19 Dex bear - by Lolzwutt
6 rage, 6 hell scream, 2 iron blood, 2 stomp,1 super mega slash, 1 vengeful slash
47 strength, rest on dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, 19 jewel thief’s talon, 15 artisan, level 19 ironrock shield, armor ring

Level 20 Dex bear - by Vveird
6 rage, 6 hellscream, 3 stomp, 3 iron blood, 1 super mega slash
5 int, rest on dex
Gear of choice: level 20 snipers avian helm, level 20 s ipers avian talon, level 15 artisan, level 20 snipers avian wing, dps ring

Level 20 Dex bear - by Vvtf
6 rage, 6 iron blood, 3 stomp, 3 hell scream, 1 super mega slash
20 str, rest on dex
Gear of choice: level 20 snipers avian helm, level 19 pink xbow, level 15 artisan, dps ring


17. Build side note
Every build here is original, even if found elsewhere first. They have been found through players in game and not guides on forums. If you would like a build added, message the build to "improving" or "entertaining" for review. Keep in mind all builds must be for level 20s and under. If your build was not created within your brain, forget trying to get credit. Most of the gear named is very expensive and can be substituted for gear of lesser value. If you lose on one of these exact builds, blame yourself for doing so poorly.
Also in regards to builds, many players choose to get a face from the Magic Mirror. The bonuses from these faces range from +1 armor to +1 hit percentage. Some would consider these a waste of platinum, but if you have a lot and you have already paid for the cream of the crop in gear, it is highly suggested you buy a face as well.


18. Credits
Thanks to vv for all the help on making this guide, for without him it would not be here
Thanks to Improving for typing it all out
Thanks to Sryyoulose for pointing out the first error! (that i didn't notice)
Thanks to every keen eye on forums for help with grammar and spell check
Thanks to the players for all the builds and feeding my KD (NOM NOM NOM).


19. Message to the reader
If you read all of this, thank you. Message me (Entertaining) the word JIBBY for more respect. If you care to make this guide any better and possibly be added to the credits, pointing out flaws in the guide is a big help, but do it the right way. Any comments will be quickly attended too upon release of the guide. If you notice a couple errors, comment them and they will be fixed. After commenting an error, come back later to see that it is hopefully changed, and edit your comment likewise. Constructive criticism is highly valued, as this is my first guide. Also, if i left any major detail out, message me in game.


20. Favorite comments
None yet, make a good comment to make it here. No suck ups. Maybe.

21. Worthy Achievements
-Made it into the guide section
-More views then any guide made this year
-Super moderator post
-10 pages of replies
-Over 7000+ views
-Thanked over 30 times


22. TL; DR (too long; didn't read)
Say go before a fight, don't rush. Use good gear. Twinks are good level 10-20 characters. Don't mess with the guild sleep or the players entertaining or vv. Builds, builds, builds. Credits, message to reader, the end. If this is the only paragraph you read don't comment.

Sryyoulose
04-06-2012, 05:17 PM
You should mention in top that this guide is mainly for 10-20. Also, you could link nicks build thread over here, so players can start and see what the average build is.

Good guide, +1 you took a lot of time and effort and it is shown. It's kinda useless for me though XD

Entertaining
04-06-2012, 05:23 PM
You should mention in top that this guide is mainly for 10-20. Also, you could link nicks build thread over here, so players can start and see what the average build is.

Good guide, +1 you took a lot of time and effort and it is shown. It's kinda useless for me though XD Thank you, will do!

Buubuuftw
04-06-2012, 05:26 PM
I see you took a lot of time makin this guide, and its nice, but calling out players on the forum and telling people to rush them isn't exactly a good thing. Especially because he's my friend.

Entertaining
04-06-2012, 05:31 PM
I see you took a lot of time makin this guide, and its nice, but calling out players on the forum and telling people to rush them isn't exactly a good thing. Especially because he's my friend.

duly noted, changes will be made. thank you.

Sryyoulose
04-06-2012, 05:33 PM
I see you took a lot of time makin this guide, and its nice, but calling out players on the forum and telling people to rush them isn't exactly a good thing. Especially because he's my friend.
Agreed.

Also u messed up here:
Level 19 Dex bear - by Lolzwutt
6 rage, 6 hell scream, 2 iron blood, 2 stomp,1 super mega slash, 1 vengeful slash
All stats dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, 19 jewel thief’s talon, 15 artisan, level 19 ironrock shield, armor ring

Can't be pure dex with ironrock shield.

Buubuuftw
04-06-2012, 05:34 PM
I see you took a lot of time makin this guide, and its nice, but calling out players on the forum and telling people to rush them isn't exactly a good thing. Especially because he's my friend.

duly noted, changes will be made. thank you.

Thanks. Btw, your name sounds familiar, I think we've pvp'd before, but I can't remember too well.

Entertaining
04-06-2012, 05:35 PM
Agreed.

Also u messed up here:
Level 19 Dex bear - by Lolzwutt
6 rage, 6 hell scream, 2 iron blood, 2 stomp,1 super mega slash, 1 vengeful slash
All stats dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, 19 jewel thief’s talon, 15 artisan, level 19 ironrock shield, armor ring

Can't be pure dex with ironrock shield.
Thank you, changes will be made.

Walkhardd
04-06-2012, 05:37 PM
+1

Nice bro. I found this guide to be very entertaining. Get it? Get it? :D

opalmauk
04-06-2012, 06:04 PM
+1

Im with walkhardd, this was very entertaining ;)

Entertaining
04-06-2012, 07:55 PM
Added a few more builds :)....feel free to contribute one to guide! Would be greatly appreciated!

dugantale
04-06-2012, 08:00 PM
Nice guide bro :)

Swimmingstar
04-06-2012, 08:04 PM
I don't think who to rush and guilds to rush are fair for some people... If you wanna rush, rush everyone.

Entertaining
04-06-2012, 08:10 PM
I don't think who to rush and guilds to rush are appropriate on forums. If you wanna rush, rush everyone.

Not exactly...rushing everyone would cause you to have alot of enemies that can easily destroy you. Thats why you should choose who you rush carefully

Sryyoulose
04-06-2012, 08:36 PM
Not exactly...rushing everyone would cause you to have alot of enemies that can easily destroy you. Thats why you should choose who you rush carefully

That's a noob Farmers philosophy, I frown at that MORE then teaming.

Entertaining
04-06-2012, 08:41 PM
That's a noob Farmers philosophy, I frown at that MORE then teaming.

I didn't mean to promote rushing, if it looks that way. The only point of it was to say "if you're going to rush, rush someone that will provide no consequences". if you are looking only for personal gain, this is a great way to do business in the twinking community. let it be noted that it is also morally wrong.

Sryyoulose
04-06-2012, 08:45 PM
[QUOTE=Entertaining;611561]I didn't mean to promote rushing, if it looks that way. The only point of it was to say "if you're going to rush, rush someone that will provide no consequences". if you are looking only for personal gain, this is a great way to do business in the twinking community. let it be noted that it is also morally wrong.[/QOUTE]
Rushing I'm fine with, teaming I'm not, (Even if u team a rusher-.-) and Kdr Boosting: Noob Farming, Rushing then leave, and spawning.

Dalonewolf
04-06-2012, 09:39 PM
If you ever see <sleep> under a player name, then you should kill them! Its fun =]

Entertaining
04-06-2012, 10:12 PM
If you ever see <sleep> under a player name, then you should kill them! Its fun =]

I highly suggest you don't do this. Sleep is full of highly skilled people

Entertaining
04-30-2012, 02:46 PM
Does anyone know how to get this moved into a different forum? I messaged a dev about it.

NECROREAPER
04-30-2012, 03:36 PM
Does anyone know how to get this moved into a different forum? I messaged a dev about it.


That's the only way. If they think it's guide worthy it'll be moved there

Zeus
04-30-2012, 10:43 PM
C'mon guys, don't detract from his thread. He obviously put a lot of effort into this. :)

I read the entire thing, mainly because it was a new thread with a different take on things. Not the same threads about same threads about same threads that you typically see on the forums.

Just wanted to commend you! I haven't twinked in a while; I'm one of the older twinks: MynasGen, VoodooVillain, Twinkilicious. But I can see a lot of the old logic still applies! I actually quit due to the degrading twinking community, as now, my first thought screams, "RUNESCAPE".

Anyways, nice guide, detailed, to the point, and entertaining.

You live up to your name, sir. Yes, I just kissed ..., no I won't do it again. :)

~Apollo

gundamsone
04-30-2012, 10:50 PM
this thread deserves to be stickied ^^

Entertaining
05-05-2012, 02:13 PM
Don't you think this deserves to be in the guide section? Lol

Appleisaac
05-06-2012, 10:17 PM
Nice enter! :) I'm Mrappletwink ^_^ we rush each other a lot. This is a really nice guide! I don't agree with all the things about rushing newbies, but that seems like the popular thing to do in low lv pvp now days >_>. This guide is VERY accurate concerning which types of players to fight and how people will react in low lv pvp. Friggen amazing job enter! ;) gained a ton of respect for you.

Entertaining
05-09-2012, 06:58 PM
Ive taken a look through the guides section, and i have guides that are barely legible, and very short. Not to sound rude, but it baffles me this guide has not been moved.

dudetus
05-10-2012, 02:00 AM
It is up to devs and mods if they move ur thread to guide - section or not. There are already so many PvP guides that I guess they won't add up them that easy.

And even though it is a nice guide, I personally don't like promoting "noob rushing" because it is just not fair. It might also be the reason why it hasn't been moved to guides section.

Imagine urself as a "noob". U have played for two days and decide to buy platinum and u buy PvP arenas and u got to test it as a lvl 10. U enter and what happens? U get rushed mercilessly. Ofc u would feel bad for it and might never to go to PvP arenas again. And does it give out a good image out of PvP in general? What if the forum's promotes "noob rushing" as well by adding ur guide to guide section? Not that good image either.

Edit: And mocking the guides which are on the guides section doesn't help u either. Even though u might not see it, the devs have moved them to there because by their judgement they have been guideworthy.

Back
05-10-2012, 02:39 AM
Kayumangi, rushes? Didn't know that but I rush him on sight though..

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Entertaining
05-10-2012, 06:15 AM
Dudetus, i did not mean to mock the guides. If you would look in the guides forum, theres is a thread entitled "how many questts fr the shadow guy..." this is someone asking a question. Someone asking a question is clearly more worthy to be in the guide section then my guide is. *sarcasm*

Appleisaac
05-10-2012, 03:36 PM
Dudetus, i did not mean to mock the guides. If you would look in the guides forum, theres is a thread entitled "how many questts fr the shadow guy..." this is someone asking a question. Someone asking a question is clearly more worthy to be in the guide section then my guide is. *sarcasm*

The guide section used to be open for anyone to post in so a lot of the "guides" in there are complete crap. People even used to ask for guides on specific subjects in the guide sections.

Please don't be offended by the fact that your guide did not get moved. I (and probably many others) think it should have been moved, but dudetus is right about rushing newbs in low lv pvp. If you take that part out, I'm don't see a reason it shouldn't be added to the guide section. It's the best guide on the forums for low lv pvp basics, and anyone denying it should show me a better one ^_^.

dudetus
05-10-2012, 04:40 PM
Dudetus, i did not mean to mock the guides. If you would look in the guides forum, theres is a thread entitled "how many questts fr the shadow guy..." this is someone asking a question. Someone asking a question is clearly more worthy to be in the guide section then my guide is. *sarcasm*

My opinion is same as Apple's. This guide rly is awesome but the "rush da newbs" is a bad thing. Remove it and Ka-ching I guess.

Entertaining
05-11-2012, 04:12 PM
My opinion is same as Apple's. This guide rly is awesome but the "rush da newbs" is a bad thing. Remove it and Ka-ching I guess.

The thing is...rushing is a huge factor when it comes to pvp (twinking). This drastically effects the k/d of many twinks. This guide would be incomplete without mentioning it. I can edit it to be biased against rushing new players, but the fact remains that this issue will still exist.

dudetus
05-11-2012, 04:16 PM
The thing is...rushing is a huge factor when it comes to pvp (twinking). This drastically effects the k/d of many twinks. This guide would be incomplete without mentioning it. I can edit it to be biased against rushing new players, but the fact remains that this issue will still exist.

I understand it and I do know thst rushing is part of PvP ('cause I do it myself as well) but the issue was the promoting approach towards it. Just a tone change :D

Entertaining
05-11-2012, 05:05 PM
I understand it and I do know thst rushing is part of PvP ('cause I do it myself as well) but the issue was the promoting approach towards it. Just a tone change :D

I will look back at the guide...i didn't mean to promote any rushing.

Entertaining
05-11-2012, 06:31 PM
Changes have been made to the guide. Rushing is no longer promoted

Kixxler
05-12-2012, 05:10 PM
Am I not scary enough for people to avoid? :(

Appleisaac
05-12-2012, 05:18 PM
Am I not scary enough for people to avoid? :(

lol :)

DEVELOPARS, Y U NO STICKAY?!?

Entertaining
05-12-2012, 06:11 PM
haha this guide isn't even in the guide section yet. I've been messaging Admins about it.

Entertaining
05-12-2012, 06:24 PM
Am I not scary enough for people to avoid? :(

Have made changes ;). check it out

Kixxler
05-12-2012, 07:27 PM
Have made changes ;). check it out

Lol, ty. :P

Appleisaac
05-14-2012, 06:51 PM
Yay! Got moved to guide section :) congrats enter!

Entertaining
05-14-2012, 07:31 PM
Yay! Got moved to guide section :) congrats enter!

Thank you!

birdmasta
05-14-2012, 08:43 PM
GREAT GUIDE LOVE IT!!! ive seen u before. im (now)insanebuffs, (was) cashzzz, (was) xiigniteix (u prob hate this old clan just like a lot of others)

RushRide
05-15-2012, 09:56 AM
Great guide man.

RushRide
05-15-2012, 10:01 AM
Why does everyone cry so much about rushing? Do it, love it,pwn it, man I love the rush :) Rushing Rules!:p

Entertaining
05-15-2012, 07:39 PM
Why does everyone cry so much about rushing? Do it, love it,pwn it, man I love the rush :) Rushing Rules!:p
Well...most people frown upon rushing because it is a bad experience for new players that randomly join PvP games.

Btw...you need to learn who to rush and who not to rush :p

RushRide
05-16-2012, 12:17 PM
The RIDE doesn't discriminate. Nobody RIDES for free :p

I RUSH CAUSE I CARE!

Beastbowbear
05-16-2012, 12:55 PM
Rushride for President!

I RUSH CAUSE I CARE!

And if it ain't rushing it ain't rite! :eek:

RushRide
05-16-2012, 01:39 PM
Rushride for President!

I RUSH CAUSE I CARE!

And if it ain't rushing it ain't rite! :eek:

Lmao, RUSHRIDE RULES!

I RUSH CAUSE I CARE!

Entertaining
05-16-2012, 02:24 PM
Ehh...stop spamming my guide please...

rinzler
05-16-2012, 07:59 PM
Very awesome guide Entertaining. :) It looks pretty accurate, and I can see you put a lot of work into it! Good jobbb!

Entertaining
05-16-2012, 10:42 PM
Very awesome guide Entertaining. :) It looks pretty accurate, and I can see you put a lot of work into it! Good jobbb!

Ty man! Get some of your buddies to check it out ;). the more good comments the better :)

Snakespeare
05-17-2012, 01:16 AM
I play a bird most often and I usually root before combo. Root has a hidden debuff so the combo hits harder.

RushRide
05-17-2012, 07:23 AM
Ehh...stop spamming my guide please...

Sorry bro, sometimes I can't help myself. ;)

I RUSH CAUSE I CARE!

MrKrone
05-20-2012, 11:13 AM
Hey Entertaining, in the first chapter of the guide, you said PVE means 'player versus everyone'. This is incorrect :)
It means Player versus Environment. Less decieving now, eh?

Also, very very nice guide. I find that a lot of the best pvp guides on the forums will make the forum app ForceClose due to old age or code errors, so I will be frequenting your guide ^_^

Appleisaac
05-20-2012, 12:43 PM
I always thought it was Player Vs Enemies... O.o

Register
05-20-2012, 01:57 PM
I am not even sure if "rushing" even fits the situation in pvp games now. I think of rushing as attacking an unprepared player. FFA seems a little more fitting :P I find nothing wrong with "rushing" typically, unless it is the host determined it to be 1vs1.
Another thing, the Rushing after Go thing is just stupid. Not the part of your guide, but the that people whine that they get rushed after they said go. The entire point of saying go is to make it clear you are ready! -.-

Great guide, its obvious you put a lot of time and effort into it!

Entertaining
05-20-2012, 07:12 PM
I am not even sure if "rushing" even fits the situation in pvp games now. I think of rushing as attacking an unprepared player. FFA seems a little more fitting :P I find nothing wrong with "rushing" typically, unless it is the host determined it to be 1vs1.
Another thing, the Rushing after Go thing is just stupid. Not the part of your guide, but the that people whine that they get rushed after they said go. The entire point of saying go is to make it clear you are ready! -.-

Great guide, its obvious you put a lot of time and effort into it!

Register you are thinking of the newer players that say go from a distance and wait awhile after their opponent has buffed up. These people don't deserve to be waited on. When you say go while you are standing next to someone, and they say go as well, its generally expected that you will both get back, buff up and fight. If you are within auto range when you say go, make sure to back off when they say go. It's only a courtesy.

Appleisaac
05-20-2012, 08:45 PM
I am not even sure if "rushing" even fits the situation in pvp games now. I think of rushing as attacking an unprepared player. FFA seems a little more fitting :P I find nothing wrong with "rushing" typically, unless it is the host determined it to be 1vs1.
Another thing, the Rushing after Go thing is just stupid. Not the part of your guide, but the that people whine that they get rushed after they said go. The entire point of saying go is to make it clear you are ready! -.-

Great guide, its obvious you put a lot of time and effort into it!
i hate it when people do that... if you say go, that means you are prepared for a fight... it does not mean that you would like to fight but must be given a few seconds to get ready first...

Register
05-20-2012, 08:53 PM
i hate it when people do that... if you say go, that means you are prepared for a fight... it does not mean that you would like to fight but must be given a few seconds to get ready first...

Exactly...Besides, there is nothing stopping you from buffing before you say go....

Entertaining
05-20-2012, 09:34 PM
Exactly...Besides, there is nothing stopping you from buffing before you say go....

If you randomly buff up without saying go, someone may think you are rushing. Then when you try to say go, they will have you at half health. Is it not simple enough to be at a distance, say go, buff and wait for your opponent to buff or buff right after they do? That is the most common way to do it, and is done by the best players. If you would like to play like a noob, buff and then say call. Honestly this method is done so much I didn't suspect it would be put into question. That particular part of the guide is every bit as useful as the consequences of rushing section. It will remain in the guide, but thank you for your feedback.

xxxxtwinkxxxx
05-21-2012, 12:53 AM
Lol who copy twink :)

Appleisaac
05-21-2012, 09:35 PM
If you randomly buff up without saying go, someone may think you are rushing. Then when you try to say go, they will have you at half health. Is it not simple enough to be at a distance, say go, buff and wait for your opponent to buff or buff right after they do? That is the most common way to do it, and is done by the best players. If you would like to play like a noob, buff and then say call. Honestly this method is done so much I didn't suspect it would be put into question. That particular part of the guide is every bit as useful as the consequences of rushing section. It will remain in the guide, but thank you for your feedback.I think he meant something like this

Entertaining: Mrappletwink go
*Mrappletwink buffs*
Mrappletwink: go

Livemau
05-21-2012, 11:21 PM
I don't think who to rush and guilds to rush are appropriate on forums. If you wanna rush, rush everyone.

Who to rush is a presonal decision
Here is who I rush
Anyone with a name suggesting they rush
Anyone in a guild that says something about rushing
Anyone that I dont feel like we have a very tight connection

XghostzX
05-22-2012, 05:06 PM
Who to rush is a presonal decision
Here is who I rush
Anyone with a name suggesting they rush
Anyone in a guild that says something about rushing
Anyone that I dont feel like we have a very tight connection

We don't have a tight connection.

I truly feel threatened.

knifechamp
05-23-2012, 03:46 AM
im just going to say im in sit, its a great guild and enter your 12 build fails bro. My 13 build i use is 6 rage 3 stomp 1 sms 1 vs and 1 cs, and another thing, put me on the list as people not to rush :P and i do pretty good. If you havent heard of me, pros and cons of rushing me, i have a lot of enemies but i have a lot of friends choose them wisely as it will help. people tend to rush me then regret it later, eh. the reason i havent been on ent, i got banned for swearing lol...

knifechamp
05-23-2012, 03:47 AM
also dont rush the guild <Tank> not a good idea if your 10-17

Register
05-23-2012, 06:39 AM
If you randomly buff up without saying go, someone may think you are rushing. Then when you try to say go, they will have you at half health. Is it not simple enough to be at a distance, say go, buff and wait for your opponent to buff or buff right after they do? That is the most common way to do it, and is done by the best players. If you would like to play like a noob, buff and then say call. Honestly this method is done so much I didn't suspect it would be put into question. That particular part of the guide is every bit as useful as the consequences of rushing section. It will remain in the guide, but thank you for your feedback.

Sorry if I was misleading, I was never bashing or going against anything you said in the guide...I thought it was pretty clear, but I suppose it wasn't. What you quoted was in relation to who I quoted and had nothing to do against anything in your guide.

Elixirgod
05-23-2012, 05:21 PM
Hey Entertaining! Nice guide! Also, do you remember Elixirgod from Pocket Legends? We did PvP togetther?

Entertaining
05-23-2012, 06:02 PM
Hey Entertaining! Nice guide! Also, do you remember Elixirgod from Pocket Legends? We did PvP togetther?

hmm....sorry but i don't recall...you sure you weren't on a different account?

Elixirgod
05-24-2012, 06:28 PM
hmm....sorry but i don't recall...you sure you weren't on a different account?

Nope...It's been a long time, because i was only the same level as you were but now im about level 45. I think we are still friends.
If you online right now, wanna meet up at forest haven soon?

Entertaining
05-26-2012, 08:29 PM
Perhaos message me on the subject, no need to cloud up the thread with back and forth messages.

Advicatus
05-27-2012, 07:32 PM
Derp finally made a forums account :s

Appleisaac
05-27-2012, 07:40 PM
Derp finally made a forums account :s
^_^ yay!

prouzi
06-02-2012, 10:06 AM
Oh cool you rushed me :D lvl 17 rush 11 ftw (Y) thumbs up

Yich
06-02-2012, 11:22 AM
Great guide. YW for writing it all out ;)

Entertaining
06-13-2012, 02:41 AM
Thank you very much :)

Vullanoy
07-07-2012, 04:50 AM
This was a very helpful guide for me & I thought it was very well laid out, good work! Thanks Entertaining!

Jblazer
07-08-2012, 11:31 PM
Great guide dude!

awesome4132
07-30-2012, 03:33 PM
awesome guide! can u add builds for pure strength bears? and if possible int bears?

+1

Entertaining
08-03-2012, 03:18 AM
well, I won't add a str bear build because frankly they just aren't good XD. As for the int bear. I will add it but it won't be full int.
Thank you for the suggestion.
Changes will be made A.S.A.P

Renovate
08-03-2012, 07:09 AM
Oh cool you rushed me :D lvl 17 rush 11 ftw (Y) thumbs up

Come on come back to PL I miss you :3


im just going to say im in sit, its a great guild and enter your 12 build fails bro. My 13 build i use is 6 rage 3 stomp 1 sms 1 vs and 1 cs, and another thing, put me on the list as people not to rush :P and i do pretty good. If you havent heard of me, pros and cons of rushing me, i have a lot of enemies but i have a lot of friends choose them wisely as it will help. people tend to rush me then regret it later, eh. the reason i havent been on ent, i got banned for swearing lol...

Heyo bro! ^^

Umm.. I love all of you guys <3 Including Ent ;)

Entertaining
08-03-2012, 07:29 PM
Well, ty. :)

aniybo
08-04-2012, 08:08 PM
banned? Havent seen u in weeks :( Been missing ur rushing :(

Entertaining
08-04-2012, 11:21 PM
No, I haven't been banned.....???

lllllllllllllllllllllllll
08-06-2012, 04:44 AM
THanks for writing great guide!

Entertaining
08-06-2012, 04:48 AM
no problem. ;)

Whirlzap
08-06-2012, 12:22 PM
I find the guide to be great, but here's some "constructive advice"

-Not the best to make yourself seem like someone who shouldn't be messed with.
While you may be a good twink of skill and talent, it's best to try and be modest on forums.

-Talking about guilds to rush you. I don't see the point of including this in a guide.
Sure, these guilds might rush you, but that's you.
They might only rush you.
A guide is for everyone, not just for you.
Plus, players change over time, and so too does the guild that they form eventually become altered.

When I think about a guide for twinking, I think of something with builds.
What you included is a personal commentary, which I take a neutral additude towards.

You might notice that I have said more negative things than positive things in this comment.
There are far more positive things about this guide than negative things, and since you asked for criticism, I shall give you criticism.
Pointing out mistakes will improve your guide; rather than a huge list of this and that which does not contribute much towards your guide's improvement.

Entertaining
08-06-2012, 12:33 PM
Well, at the time the guide was made. There were many guilds that were strictly "rushing guilds". So, it didn't seem right to not mention them in a guide for players that are new to low level. With guilds 30+ strong of rushers it seemed vital to alert new players that there are guilds that will rush them. However, this will be altered. Also, we will be adding an FFA section. Thank you for your constructive criticism, you are a very constructive poster. :)

Entertaining
08-06-2012, 12:37 PM
One small change has been made. The bigger problems will be fixed later.
(I took my name off the "people not to mess with"

PownagePlus
08-12-2012, 11:49 AM
[CENTER]15. Enchantress builds
Level 17 support mage - by Entertaining
6 heal, 6 nightmare, 1 frost, 1 firestorm, 1 drain, 1 rev,
37 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 alchemist, snipers avian wing, armor ring

Level 17 nuke mage - by Entertaining
1 heal, 6 drain, 6 lightning, 1 frost, 2 firestorm
37 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 expert, level 10 snipers avian wing

Level 17 nuke/support mage - Degrading
4 heal, 6 drain, 5 fire, 1 frost
37 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of Choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 alchemist, level 10 snipers avian wing


I think you messed up on the second build. How can a mage with 37 dex wear lv 15 Expert? Otherwise this guide was very helpful :D

Entertaining
08-12-2012, 08:03 PM
thanks alot! changes will be made!

Hadesofshadow
08-14-2012, 01:54 AM
that bear guide is crap

like seriously

so bad

Entertaining
08-16-2012, 04:01 PM
that bear guide is crap

like seriously

so bad
Maybe give me some constructive criticism about it? No need to be so rude.

Hadesofshadow
08-17-2012, 01:38 AM
Maybe give me some constructive criticism about it? No need to be so rude.

i also sincerely doubt you have played long enough for your number 2 to be relevant

Entertaining
08-18-2012, 03:23 PM
i also sincerely doubt you have played long enough for your number 2 to be relevant

Well, I've been playing for quite awhile. lol

Like-A-Boss
08-21-2012, 11:42 AM
lol forgotten weps are here, they TRASH pretty much all these builds lv 15 and below, if not higher

Yich
08-21-2012, 07:56 PM
lol forgotten weps are here, they TRASH pretty much all these builds lv 15 and below, if not higher

I'd have the guide re-done right now if it weren't for the obvious fact that they will be nerfed. Only reason they are this powerful is so FRAGX can be killed. Now hop off my guide, troll.

Yich
08-21-2012, 07:59 PM
that bear guide is crap

like seriously

so bad

I want names. Yeah, your twinks names. This guide was 100% accurate until STS made the forgotten bows and I have no need to fix it because those little power weapons will be nerfed soon. I'd wait until your little "super weapons" get nerfed to show you up in PvP, but I'm certain I could do it with my bow. Also, check the "thanks" right after the guide. Like it or not, that means something. If you think it sucks, that means your opinion differs from everyone who thanked it. There is such a thing as stupid opinions. You might just have one.

Like-A-Boss
08-21-2012, 08:54 PM
nerfed, o really?
Could you substantiate your claim a little clearer please.

Yich
08-23-2012, 11:12 AM
nerfed, o really?
Could you substantiate your claim a little clearer please.

I wasn't aware you don't know common online gaming terms. Op means over-powered, to be nerfed would be to made weaker, usually a lot weaker. Its so obvious these will be weakened that I'm not going to waste my time changing all of the builds just to change them again. If they don't get. Nerfed, you are welcome to go write your own guide, but dont troll mine.

CrimsonTider
08-23-2012, 11:25 AM
Now hop off my guide, troll.


Nerfed, you are welcome to go write your own guide, but dont troll mine.

So either you are admitting to having two accounts: 1. Entertaining (helpful) 2. Yich (hateful), or you are have this thread confused with another which belongs to you.

Yich
08-23-2012, 11:29 AM
So either you are admitting to having two accounts: 1. Entertaining (helpful) 2. Yich (hateful), or you are have this thread confused with another which belongs to you.

Or you take your own advice and read the whole thread. I sent this guide to Entertaining as a gift for teaching me all about PvP. I wrote it all out. Read the "thanks" at the end of it. Realize im not all about ruining pvp for people, I just want it fair.

EDIT: since he taught me most of this, it's fine for him to have his name on it. If you want, ill let you know when ent is on and we can 2v1 u in pvp to prove we are separate people. I think your an officer in cot so ent probably wouldnt go for it.

Double edit: im improving/imp, the one in the thanks portion of the guide.

CrimsonTider
08-23-2012, 12:17 PM
Or you take your own advice and read the whole thread. I sent this guide to Entertaining as a gift for teaching me all about PvP. I wrote it all out. Read the "thanks" at the end of it. Realize im not all about ruining pvp for people, I just want it fair.

EDIT: since he taught me most of this, it's fine for him to have his name on it. If you want, ill let you know when ent is on and we can 2v1 u in pvp to prove we are separate people. I think your an officer in cot so ent probably wouldnt go for it.

Double edit: im improving/imp, the one in the thanks portion of the guide.

I have read the "Thanks" portion multiple times and do not see credit to "Yich" anywhere. He thanks 3-4 individuals for "helping", that is NOT writing the guide.

And if he taught you everything you know, then why would you wrote the guide?

StompArtist
08-23-2012, 12:18 PM
So either you are admitting to having two accounts: 1. Entertaining (helpful) 2. Yich (hateful), or you are have this thread confused with another which belongs to you.

oooooooooops busted!

Yich
08-23-2012, 03:06 PM
It says thanks to improving for writing it all out. I'm sorry, does this not give me nearly all credit? Although Entertaining is pretty good at teaching, he isn't the greatest of writers. While this guide may have several errors, it would not have been as good had Entertaining wrote it. People accuse me and Entertaining of being the same person all the time, I really don't care. Entertaining is actually an IRL friend of mine. Is that relevant? No, not really, it's more of a fun fact. I'll just message him to change "Improving" to "Yich" because Improving is my most well known twink. This guide was not intended for you regular forumers (who probably know most of this stuff anyway), it was made for PvPers who probably wouldn't know the name "Yich" but would recognize the name "Improving". Happy?

Like-A-Boss
08-23-2012, 06:27 PM
SO....
nerfed or no nerf?
nerf = raising base stats?
bows are still pretty OP...
check it out big boy
http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?67087-2012-08-23-Content-Update-%2898524%29&p=757732#post757732

Hadesofshadow
08-23-2012, 07:06 PM
I want names. Yeah, your twinks names. This guide was 100% accurate until STS made the forgotten bows and I have no need to fix it because those little power weapons will be nerfed soon. I'd wait until your little "super weapons" get nerfed to show you up in PvP, but I'm certain I could do it with my bow. Also, check the "thanks" right after the guide. Like it or not, that means something. If you think it sucks, that means your opinion differs from everyone who thanked it. There is such a thing as stupid opinions. You might just have one.

your ego blows my mind

also, you use forgotten bows and complain about them being super weapons?

Yich
08-23-2012, 07:22 PM
SO....
nerfed or no nerf?
nerf = raising base stats?
bows are still pretty OP...
check it out big boy
http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?67087-2012-08-23-Content-Update-%2898524%29&p=757732#post757732

LOL this is in regards to the Elite Sea Blaster...

Plus I dont think STS is quite done with the forgotten weapons

Yich
08-23-2012, 07:28 PM
your ego blows my mind

also, you use forgotten bows and complain about them being super weapons?

Notice if you read your post that you insulted my guide? It's not ego, it's me asking for a chance to prove that this guide works. Oh, so it's crap because everyone uses forgotten bows? We will see whos laughing when they nerf them. Once again, I don't use this bow because I don't even do low level any more. I'm not going to do any real low level PvP until they nerf it. If you want to 1v1 at this level I'll gladly make an exception and prove this guide to be perfectly fine.

Entertaining
08-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Alright, just to clarify. I am not Yich. Yich, also known as <Imp>, Wrote a very large portion of the guide. Without him this guide would not even be here. I merely gave him the information with the help of others, and he wrote it all out.
Also, we are not using those ridiculous weapons. Actually we are trying our best to rid of them. To be honest, I find it ridiculous that the items weren't nerfed. Some people have compared this to a founders, but that isn't accurate what so ever. The founders helm gives a mere 5 damage and armor, while the bow gives over 150 dps. (with 15 expert and snipers helm). Honestly, these ruined low level pvp. Recently i was 2-hit, YES, 2-hit by the bows which is absurd. STS should rethink there decision on not nerfing the bows, because i'm sure a lot more raging and quitting is still to come.

Like-A-Boss
08-23-2012, 09:33 PM
I'm sure Alot more of money making is going to happen :)
Less rage more money plz

Like-A-Boss
08-23-2012, 09:37 PM
LOL this is in regards to the Elite Sea Blaster...

Plus I dont think STS is quite done with the forgotten weapons

I'm sorry If this is boorish, but are you literate?


Increased base stat requirements for all Forgotten Treasure Event loot weapons.

That has nothing to do with sea blaster buddy bro...

Please do not troll me with burlesque information

Thank you

Yich
08-23-2012, 09:40 PM
I'm sorry If this is boorish, but are you literate?


Increased base stat requirements for all Forgotten Treasure Event loot weapons.

That has nothing to do with sea blaster buddy bro...

Please do not troll me with burlesque information

Thank you

as far as the devs post at the end of it, he says that the Elite Sea Blaster won't be changed. I assumed you thought you "won" because they said they aren't "nerfing the bows" and I wanted to point out they didn't say that. Where the base stat requirements is concerned, that's just not the nerf I was looking for. When you see it, you will know. Samhayne said already that the bows are OP.

Like-A-Boss
08-23-2012, 09:48 PM
k i hope ur right...
I didn't buy that duckfoot for looks

Entertaining
08-24-2012, 03:46 PM
I'm sure Alot more of money making is going to happen :)
Less rage more money plz

Not really...If these bows stay like this the value of WF items will drop drastically. (Alot of people collect these items). Therefore, a lot of money would be lost

Like-A-Boss
08-24-2012, 04:55 PM
Not really...If these bows stay like this the value of WF items will drop drastically. (Alot of people collect these items). Therefore, a lot of money would be lost

yes, but supposedly, they would have logged in during the week to collect these items too... (assuming they are active)
So eventually, if nerf = false; //they will be able to sell the items and make alot of money
If nerf = true; //the winter items will come back up and they will be able to sell them

almost a win-win situation unless you didn't collect any items
:banana:

Yich
08-24-2012, 04:57 PM
Entertaining has a LOT of the new weapons... I find the "rush all forgotten weapon users" idea to be appealing...

Entertaining
08-24-2012, 10:30 PM
yes, but supposedly, they would have logged in during the week to collect these items too... (assuming they are active)
So eventually, if nerf = false; //they will be able to sell the items and make alot of money
If nerf = true; //the winter items will come back up and they will be able to sell them

almost a win-win situation unless you didn't collect any items
:banana:
It's not a win-win situation at all. If the bow isn't nerfed then low level pvp is completely ruined. (for me and most "elite pvpers"). If the bows are nerfed they become collector items and the WF prices will continue to rise.

Hadesofshadow
08-24-2012, 11:58 PM
It's not a win-win situation at all. If the bow isn't nerfed then low level pvp is completely ruined. (for me and most "elite pvpers"). If the bows are nerfed they become collector items and the WF prices will continue to rise.

by elite pvpers you mean you yich and gundamsone?

Hadesofshadow
08-24-2012, 11:59 PM
LOL this is in regards to the Elite Sea Blaster...

Plus I dont think STS is quite done with the forgotten weapons

not sure if serious

Thelastblink
08-25-2012, 12:59 AM
Why are all you guys teaming up on Yich? TO get this straight the forgotten items are OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT DOUBT OP and ruins ALL OF PVP, MAJORITY OF IT! And it seems people think, "if its so good just use it"..... NO! We play this game cos we have passion, it had something in it to make us play, Its very unlikely ill play this game again if all I do is 1-2 hit somebody or get 1-2 hitted.... But MOST of the people who are against the complainers are normally PVE'rs, well these forgotten items would OBVIOUSLY be like heaven for them.... So I say why dont they make them only accessible in PVE, not PVP, so both sides are HAPPY! AAAAND so people who spent a lot of time and platinum for it dont get ticked off.. Even so, I dont think it will solve the problem as most people do PVE, not PVP...D: which means the twinking items still wont sell as good and may still decrease in price..... *sigh*

Yich
08-25-2012, 10:33 AM
Why are all you guys teaming up on Yich? TO get this straight the forgotten items are OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT DOUBT OP and ruins ALL OF PVP, MAJORITY OF IT! And it seems people think, "if its so good just use it"..... NO! We play this game cos we have passion, it had something in it to make us play, Its very unlikely ill play this game again if all I do is 1-2 hit somebody or get 1-2 hitted.... But MOST of the people who are against the complainers are normally PVE'rs, well these forgotten items would OBVIOUSLY be like heaven for them.... So I say why dont they make them only accessible in PVE, not PVP, so both sides are HAPPY! AAAAND so people who spent a lot of time and platinum for it dont get ticked off.. Even so, I dont think it will solve the problem as most people do PVE, not PVP...D: which means the twinking items still wont sell as good and may still decrease in price..... *sigh*

Low level PvE is less common than you think. Sure, there are always a lot of games, but many of those are just noobies who are doing a quest. Rarely is there a good party or two actually farming. WF items would still have value if these were made pve only.

Entertaining
08-25-2012, 10:34 AM
No, I mean the people that have been around awhile and are widely known in the pvp community.

Like-A-Boss
08-25-2012, 04:36 PM
btw players of dissident of go (aka dogs) kinda suk
and they rush mostly everyone, so make sure you rush em back
:lemo:

gundamsone
08-26-2012, 02:48 AM
Hey STS I hope you'll read this but

on avg most players who pvp at low levels (10-20) spend at least 35+10+10 plat on each toon for (4 pack dex, ring, face) <--- is considered a MUST for most pvpers.

on top of that, players needed gold for armor/winter items/etc and that meant spending plat (for some) to aquire the gold.

but now with these bows, many of these players do not require anything but a bow to kill...I mean go try it out yourself...make a naked bear with 6 rage or a bird with 6 evade and equip a purple bow. You can pretty much roflstomp rush kill anyone.

So what i'm saying is that prior to this update, the majority of people were motivated to aquire the best gear (both plat and purchasable) b/c every extra stat counted but now it doesn't really matter anymore b/c hitting 200 is no different than hitting 220. It's come down to whoever autos first or gets the lucky crit/dodge/etc.

It is no longer a necessity and there's no longer value in purchasing plat items for few points advantage in stats.

So from a business perspective you are possibly going to hurt your own business with not properly thought out updates like this.

Thelastblink
08-26-2012, 03:02 AM
Sts just a question.... Did you guys actually think about the consequences when you made the forgotten items? Not being mean... But just seriously.. Are you trolling us? Cos the name is forgotten items after all.....

Muslim
08-26-2012, 03:18 AM
I really dont like these bows.... because before they made these bows (for example level 12 twinking) you had to buy plat to get ur gear some money to get additionak gear and have a decent build.. and ur good to go... but now withbthese bows ( gun mensioned this ) all u need is a bow rage/evade and ur off owning pros.... ajd the worst part (for me) is when the noobs get cocky T_T

Rot
08-26-2012, 04:07 AM
that bear guide is crap

like seriously

so bad

Dear Hadesofshadow,

Please do not criticise others without a proper reason. Bad guide? Seriously? Try making a guide, I do NOT think you can actually make a guide as good as this. You wouldn't know how much effort was actually spent into making this guide. Instead of saying thanks or saying nothing at all, you said this is a bad guide. I've personally met you in game, no offence, but I do not think that you're as experienced as Entertaining, Yich or anyone mentioned in the ' Thanks to' section. Your post simply made yourself seen as an immature, well at least by me. Please appreciate other's effort to help the new and less experienced players, not by saying bad about it, of course. If you ARE such a good guide-maker, well, actions speak better than words, make a guide. You sure will earn respect if your guide is good enough. But I would say that this post of yours earned you nothing, it only made me disrespect you.

Thelastblink
08-26-2012, 04:13 AM
not sure if serious

Hades...... I know i said it in another thread but why is it whenver you post it trolls/makes someone feel bad? If you think its so bad do a better one! Do a better one dude! well be waiting..... go on!

Yich
08-26-2012, 11:05 AM
Dear Hadesofshadow,

Please do not criticise others without a proper reason. Bad guide? Seriously? Try making a guide, I do NOT think you can actually make a guide as good as this. You wouldn't know how much effort was actually spent into making this guide. Instead of saying thanks or saying nothing at all, you said this is a bad guide. I've personally met you in game, no offence, but I do not think that you're as experienced as Entertaining, Yich or anyone mentioned in the ' Thanks to' section. Your post simply made yourself seen as an immature, well at least by me. Please appreciate other's effort to help the new and less experienced players, not by saying bad about it, of course. If you ARE such a good guide-maker, well, actions speak better than words, make a guide. You sure will earn respect if your guide is good enough. But I would say that this post of yours earned you nothing, it only made me disrespect you.

Lol combine this with gundamsones post real quick...


Hey STS I hope you'll read this but

on avg most players who pvp at low levels (10-20) spend at least 35+10+10 plat on each toon for (4 pack dex, ring, face) <--- is considered a MUST for most pvpers.

on top of that, players needed gold for armor/winter items/etc and that meant spending plat (for some) to aquire the gold.

but now with these bows, many of these players do not require anything but a bow to kill...I mean go try it out yourself...make a naked bear with 6 rage or a bird with 6 evade and equip a purple bow. You can pretty much roflstomp rush kill anyone.

So what i'm saying is that prior to this update, the majority of people were motivated to aquire the best gear (both plat and purchasable) b/c every extra stat counted but now it doesn't really matter anymore b/c hitting 200 is no different than hitting 220. It's come down to whoever autos first or gets the lucky crit/dodge/etc.

It is no longer a necessity and there's no longer value in purchasing plat items for few points advantage in stats.

So from a business perspective you are possibly going to hurt your own business with not properly thought out updates like this.

And we have hades' new guide. Buy a low level bow, get to level 10-17, use evade or rage, kill everything. I hope he at least gives gundamsone credit when/ if he makes a guide.

Like-A-Boss
08-26-2012, 02:47 PM
I know rushing is a big problem...
BUT, I have tested and proved that if both players consent to say "go",
you can win with an xbow versus their Forgotten Bow, assuming you have to skill
and knowledge of how to kite the Forgotten Bows

Entertaining
08-26-2012, 02:53 PM
I know rushing is a big problem...
BUT, I have tested and proved that if both players consent to say "go",
you can win with an xbow versus their Forgotten Bow, assuming you have to skill
and knowledge of how to kite the Forgotten Bows

The guy with the forgotten bow could easily just hide behind a tree....

Like-A-Boss
08-26-2012, 09:53 PM
Ok but so you go flank or just stop fighting until the coward comes out trees aren't that thick and not all maps have trees

Yich
08-26-2012, 10:26 PM
Ok but so you go flank or just stop fighting until the coward comes out trees aren't that thick and not all maps have trees

One could argue the coward is the one hiding behind the Xbow >.>

Like-A-Boss
08-27-2012, 12:06 PM
But I thought you said FB were OP, thats what the last 20 posts were about...
So now its the guy who doesn't use OP bows that's coward?
Ironical?

Yich
08-27-2012, 02:43 PM
But I thought you said FB were OP, thats what the last 20 posts were about...
So now its the guy who doesn't use OP bows that's coward?
Ironical?

Using an xbow against anything but an xbow was considered unfair before, at least to some. The only thing you could do is hide behind something. Same thing applies with the forgotten bow. Hiding behind a tree is smart, not cowardice. Using the OP bow is a bit annoying, but xbow vs forgotten bow is anyones game. Dont mistake strategy for cowardice.

Entertaining
08-27-2012, 03:03 PM
Using an xbow against anything but an xbow was considered unfair before, at least to some. The only thing you could do is hide behind something. Same thing applies with the forgotten bow. Hiding behind a tree is smart, not cowardice. Using the OP bow is a bit annoying, but xbow vs forgotten bow is anyones game. Dont mistake strategy for cowardice.

cowardice?....anyways, i agree. But, honestly, If you have skill you can beat a forgotten bow even if he uses trees.

Yich
08-27-2012, 03:12 PM
cowardice?....anyways, i agree. But, honestly, If you have skill you can beat a forgotten bow even if he uses trees.

Cowardice is an adjective. Google it.

Entertaining
08-27-2012, 09:08 PM
:o.....

Yich
09-17-2012, 10:48 AM
Well I guess this guide is outdated. Time to change title to pre forgotten bow guide. Lol.

Entertaining
09-17-2012, 03:02 PM
Well I guess this guide is outdated. Time to change title to pre forgotten bow guide. Lol.

-_-

Like-A-Boss
09-17-2012, 08:58 PM
Seems like your right....
Well, now we know no matter what new weapons(or items) are released,
HOARD!!!!!!!
That is how you make money it seems since STS doesn't ever nerf!

Yich
09-18-2012, 11:14 AM
Me and Entertaining own 17 forgotten weapons. If they ever become worth anything, we are set.

Entertaining
09-20-2012, 08:17 PM
We were set before the forgotten bows -_-

Yich
09-21-2012, 10:58 AM
We were set before the forgotten bows -_-

2 purp sbls, some xbows and 15 arti/exp. Ill take the 70 pink 17 forgotten weapons and 50 purps. I meant set financially.

Entertaining
09-21-2012, 02:29 PM
2 purp sbls, some xbows and 15 arti/exp. Ill take the 70 pink 17 forgotten weapons and 50 purps. I meant set financially.

So did I...we have more than 2 sbl's, xbows, and 15 arti/expert...

Like-A-Boss
09-22-2012, 10:37 PM
you guys see the drop of lv 15 art...
It was 800k CHEAPEST and usually bought at 1m before bows,
Hehe I bought mine for 600k and thats off the overpriced CS

Yich
09-22-2012, 11:43 PM
you guys see the drop of lv 15 art...
It was 800k CHEAPEST and usually bought at 1m before bows,
Hehe I bought mine for 600k and thats off the overpriced CS

... Of course we saw it...

LwMark
09-25-2012, 03:50 AM
you guys see the drop of lv 15 art...
It was 800k CHEAPEST and usually bought at 1m before bows,
Hehe I bought mine for 600k and thats off the overpriced CS

luck elexiers 100 percent rerolls did this

Entertaining
09-25-2012, 09:33 PM
luck elexiers 100 percent rerolls did this

Do pinks re-roll into recipes? Because the recipes for arti/expert are green (rare)?...or could yellows re-roll into recipes? Oo

LwMark
09-26-2012, 03:38 AM
ye whatver next color is

Yich
09-26-2012, 06:27 PM
Wow, a very new guide. This one is definitely more modern. Gj.

Bous
09-26-2012, 06:36 PM
Wow way better than before. Also u can post no armor needed. I dont even think bears have time to use their skills with so much damage on these bows. So the best build is like 6 rage 6 heal, the rest are pretty pointless.

Bous
09-26-2012, 06:38 PM
i died like 17 times to a mage that was 1 item forgotten bow rushing

Like-A-Boss
09-30-2012, 06:51 PM
luck elexiers 100 percent rerolls did this
You sure? I though 100% elixirs didn't affect recipes cuz their on a different drop chart...
The bows you can get by 100% elix...
There is a post that you can see, 100% doesnt work on art or exp or those type,
besides lv 5 art and exp r green recipes

Yich
09-30-2012, 09:40 PM
I don't think anyone noticed that you deleted the entire guide and replaced it with a few steps. LOL.

Like-A-Boss
09-30-2012, 10:19 PM
I don't think anyone noticed that you deleted the entire guide and replaced it with a few steps. LOL.

I have a feeling that Yich and Ent are very related, maybe even the same people or close friends/siblings...

Loaden
10-01-2012, 06:31 AM
I bought an artisan at 350k:)

Yich
10-01-2012, 11:33 AM
I have a feeling that Yich and Ent are very related, maybe even the same people or close friends/siblings...

IRL friends.

Ape
10-01-2012, 12:03 PM
Damn, if more people read this guide ima get owned if i dont get one of these bows.

Yich
10-01-2012, 02:52 PM
LOL. I wonder if anyone is shocked that this guide has that many thanks and a thank from a moderator..

Noodleleg
10-01-2012, 07:08 PM
IRL friends.

Hmm... Explains so much...

Sryyoulose
10-01-2012, 09:30 PM
He turned a serious guide into a joke guide lol :)

Noodleleg
10-01-2012, 09:42 PM
Wow, I learned so much. Now, what does rushing mean?

Yich
10-01-2012, 10:09 PM
He turned a serious guide into a joke guide lol :)

I think it's some form of protest against the F bows? With around 6500 views and a spot in the guide section for a low level guide, I think Entertaining has a of an influence on low level PvP. Not to mention over 20k kills spread across a couple toons. Perhaps this is his way of saying the F bows are OP. Translate it to mean whatever I guess.

Thelastblink
10-02-2012, 08:50 PM
Pretty funny how you edited it LOL! Seems like everyone is thanking you and saying good stuff about the edited troll guide!

Suchislife
10-02-2012, 08:53 PM
Very good guide! All you need is forgotten bow

XamenX
10-02-2012, 09:00 PM
Very good guide! All you need is forgotten bow

So true!

Sryyoulose
10-02-2012, 09:35 PM
I think it's some form of protest against the F bows? With around 6500 views and a spot in the guide section for a low level guide, I think Entertaining has a of an influence on low level PvP. Not to mention over 20k kills spread across a couple toons. Perhaps this is his way of saying the F bows are OP. Translate it to mean whatever I guess.
I hear ya, having them at low levels takes away some of the skill needed at 30+ it brings birds into the picture and makes pvp more enjoyable and quicker paced in FFA.

Yich
10-02-2012, 10:35 PM
I hear ya, having them at low levels takes away some of the skill needed at 30+ it brings birds into the picture and makes pvp more enjoyable and quicker paced in FFA.

All*

Hadesofshadow
10-03-2012, 03:08 AM
All*

so i can sit there banging my head against the keyboard and beat everybody?

your incessant complaining is annoying everybody

Thelastblink
10-03-2012, 05:15 AM
so i can sit there banging my head against the keyboard and beat everybody?

your incessant complaining is annoying everybody

Actually you might! :) If you hit the auto attack button the Forgotten Items do tons of damage! Plus if you bang your head theres a real good chance you will hit your skills! So its either you probably kill someone near you or you just spam random skills anywhere! Idk about higher lvls but it seems you can probs kill someone with about 4-8 auto attacks at lvl 10-17 depending on your crit/proc.

Yich
10-03-2012, 11:01 AM
Actually you might! :) If you hit the auto attack button the Forgotten Items do tons of damage! Plus if you bang your head theres a real good chance you will hit your skills! So its either you probably kill someone near you or you just spam random skills anywhere! Idk about higher lvls but it seems you can probs kill someone with about 4-8 auto attacks at lvl 10-17 depending on your crit/proc.

More like 2-4 if its a bird or mage. Or buffed against a bear..

Yich
10-03-2012, 11:06 AM
so i can sit there banging my head against the keyboard and beat everybody?

your incessant complaining is annoying everybody

Actually if you're on a mobile device with the skill buttons enlarged, odds are you will hit one when someone is near you and begin auto attacking. By that point, it would follow your opponent for you unless you make it walk the other way. You say my complaining bothers so many others, yet people pm me often in game with support, and post it as well. You're the one who got b**ned, and that fact speaks for itself. Dont go getting a guide with over a hundred replies, 20 thanks and 6500 views locked for flaming, pm me if you got beef. Ty.

Entertaining
10-05-2012, 03:44 PM
I think it's some form of protest against the F bows? With around 6500 views and a spot in the guide section for a low level guide, I think Entertaining has a of an influence on low level PvP. Not to mention over 20k kills spread across a couple toons. Perhaps this is his way of saying the F bows are OP. Translate it to mean whatever I guess.

I have over 20k on entertaining alone....??

Yich
10-08-2012, 08:10 PM
Gratz on being most viewed guide made this year btw.

Entertaining
10-08-2012, 08:22 PM
Gratz on being most viewed guide made this year btw.

Gratz on....umm....nvm...

gundamsone
10-15-2012, 04:56 PM
Mountain Dew is unhealthy for dem tadpoles

Noodleleg
10-15-2012, 08:46 PM
Mountain Dew is unhealthy for dem tadpoles

-pours Mountain Dew in tadpole pond-

Oh snap! They seem healthier than ever!

-5 days later-

Oh snap! I'm wrong -_-... Gundam, again, you are God... Enter is like Epyon... Wing still wins :)!

Entertaining
10-15-2012, 09:24 PM
-pours Mountain Dew in tadpole pond-

Oh snap! They seem healthier than ever!

-5 days later-

Oh snap! I'm wrong -_-... Gundam, again, you are God... Enter is like Epyon... Wing still wins :)!

lol...what?

Entertaining
10-15-2012, 09:25 PM
7k views! ^^

Noodleleg
10-15-2012, 10:01 PM
7k views! ^^

6.8k farmed from your bots pfft. Hehe jk :)

fetishs
10-15-2012, 10:23 PM
https://lh3.ggpht.com/UkSS51nNC9CaNiOFbW3ZhenuTCf6xI6dNC1fR4w8fFdr-28QyV-25JUPTtHC50G9ACiq=s119these instructions weren't clear enough i got my D stuck in a ceiling fan

Entertaining
10-15-2012, 10:32 PM
https://lh3.ggpht.com/UkSS51nNC9CaNiOFbW3ZhenuTCf6xI6dNC1fR4w8fFdr-28QyV-25JUPTtHC50G9ACiq=s119these instructions weren't clear enough i got my D stuck in a ceiling fan

"D"?

fetishs
10-15-2012, 10:36 PM
"D"?
yeh my Claritin-D i was sick

Entertaining
10-15-2012, 10:40 PM
yeh my Claritin-D i was sick

lol, the instructions are pretty basic and easy to understand.

Fncrazy
10-15-2012, 11:15 PM
Lmao this guide fnrules.......

Waug
10-16-2012, 11:53 AM
you should be able to destroy just about anyone.
what if, the opponent also use that bow? After all, he's also can afford that bow, may not be as pro as you in twinking.
May not know anything about his skills, may not know his range, capabilities, pros and cons.

Yich
10-16-2012, 03:55 PM
It wouldn't be flaming to call the modernized version of this guide a joke. I'll have Entertaining change it back to the old guide if they ever fix the OP bows.

Entertaining
10-16-2012, 03:59 PM
It wouldn't be flaming to call the modernized version of this guide a joke. I'll have Entertaining change it back to the old guide if they ever fix the OP bows.
I hope they do -_-

Noodleleg
10-16-2012, 04:08 PM
I hope they do -_-

I hope you have the old version somewhere in your notes lol :p

Yich
10-16-2012, 04:11 PM
I hope you have the old version somewhere in your notes lol :p

I got it.

Noodleleg
10-16-2012, 04:11 PM
I got it.

Gotta love Yich huh?

Entertaining
10-16-2012, 04:34 PM
Gotta love Yich huh?
Well, my computer crashed lol.

Noodleleg
10-16-2012, 05:05 PM
Well, my computer crashed lol.

You jelly of my love for Yich?

Entertaining
10-16-2012, 05:38 PM
You jelly of my love for Yich?

Yich doesn't love you.

Yich
10-16-2012, 07:17 PM
Yich doesn't love you.

Entertaining doesn't know my emotions. Noodle, if I were capable of feeling love, I would love you.

EDIT: oh and try to keep it on topic or Delph will lock er up for nonconstructive posts. Anyone think anything should be supplemented/removed to/from the guide?

Entertaining
10-16-2012, 07:52 PM
Entertaining doesn't know my emotions. Noodle, if I were capable of feeling love, I would love you.

EDIT: oh and try to keep it on topic or Delph will lock er up for nonconstructive posts. Anyone think anything should be supplemented/removed to/from the guide?

That's where you're wrong. I do know your emotions. O.o

Yich
10-16-2012, 08:30 PM
That's where you're wrong. I do know your emotions. O.o

Shhhhhhhhhhhh. Keep it on topic before they lock it Chase...

Entertaining
10-17-2012, 02:38 PM
Shhhhhhhhhhhh. Keep it on topic before they lock it Chase...

Forgotten bows are op

Noodleleg
10-18-2012, 10:14 AM
Forgotten bows are op

Oh, is that so?

Entertaining
10-18-2012, 06:18 PM
Oh, is that so?

es obvio.

Yich
10-27-2012, 04:21 PM
I might actually redo the entire thing or just have 2 separate parts. One with old tier, one with new tier and just keep it updated. I can add in some of Gund's tactics, he seems to do well.

EDIT: Oh and it won't be the way it is now. Not even close.

gundamsone
10-28-2012, 05:10 AM
My last post on this thread.

Ent put ur old thread back up and remove the forgotten bs (you'd be surprised how many new players want to learn the ways of old pvp)
Both you and yich are still on the top of my list (and you know I mean it) but I took you off cuz of personal reasons.
I've pretty much fought everyone in this past week or so and u two still give me the hardest time. I don't even break a sweat for most of the others and yes I pvp them with 30 apps opened (but not for you 2)
Peace im out gl with tourneys hope u actually win some :P

Noelx
10-28-2012, 09:03 AM
My last post on this thread.

Ent put ur old thread back up and remove the forgotten bs (you'd be surprised how many new players want to learn the ways of old pvp)
Both you and yich are still on the top of my list (and you know I mean it) but I took you off cuz of personal reasons.
I've pretty much fought everyone in this past week or so and u two still give me the hardest time. I don't even break a sweat for most of the others and yes I pvp them with 30 apps opened (but not for you 2)
Peace im out gl with tourneys hope u actually win some :P


U quitting?

ninjaduck
10-28-2012, 09:10 AM
U quitting?

I think hes quitting from the thread ;).

If so, good riddance ;)

Entertaining
10-28-2012, 10:49 AM
My last post on this thread.

Ent put ur old thread back up and remove the forgotten bs (you'd be surprised how many new players want to learn the ways of old pvp)
Both you and yich are still on the top of my list (and you know I mean it) but I took you off cuz of personal reasons.
I've pretty much fought everyone in this past week or so and u two still give me the hardest time. I don't even break a sweat for most of the others and yes I pvp them with 30 apps opened (but not for you 2)
Peace im out gl with tourneys hope u actually win some :P

Thanks, gund. Gl to you too.

Yich
11-04-2012, 07:59 PM
Thank you for editing that back. The modernized version will be done when ever. Dunno. Be patient.

imdoof
11-05-2012, 10:50 PM
good guide it describes guilds too also look out since i find myself always getting rushed by dissidents of go they hate merching fury for some reason?

imdoof
11-05-2012, 10:51 PM
overall good guide describes characters well (can help new players greatly) and also some good builds too

aniybo
11-05-2012, 10:59 PM
good guide it describes guilds too also look out since i find myself always getting rushed by dissidents of go they hate merching fury for some reason?

Whos the master? Wait we're getting rushed by them? hmm okay ITS ON DISSENDESTS OF GO.

Bloodmage
11-06-2012, 04:14 AM
Ba dum tsss

Probesbehr
11-09-2013, 07:19 PM
Before I even begin the table of contents, let me first say that a lot of this is obvious to experienced low level pvpers. This is intended to help all from the complete noobs to suggestions for pros. I may post this elsewhere as well, but i would first like reviews from those who read the entire guide. Also, flaming and trolling will not be tolerated. A good comment may say "you spelled table wrong lol", while a bad comment would read "yur gide sux newb i pwn u".

ALSO. I know this is outdated. I'll be editing a post f bow guide into this soon for new players. The weapons here are effective but not against the new stuff.


Table of Contents
1. Pvp overview, introduction of the twink
2. Winning isn't everything
3. Concept of rushing and "go"
4. Rush after go
5. Consequences of rushing
6. People to rush
7. Deciding who to fight and consequences of fight
8. Power of dex bears
9. Bird overview
10. Enchantress overview
11. Dex bear overview
12. Guilds and players to look out for
13. Guilds to rush
14. Bird builds
15. Enchantress builds
16. Bear builds
17. Build side note
18. Credits
19. Message to reader
20. Favorite comments
21. Worthy achievements
22. TL;DR

1. Pvp overview, introduction of the Twink.
Pocket legends PVP (player versus player) has made many advances since its first creation. This is due to the rising amount of players and the development of what the players call a "twink." The different types of pvp vary greatly, starting at low levels with low amounts of skill points all the way up to max characters with an item special to their level. While pocket legends may be playable on many devices, this is not suggested due to lag and other reasons.

While new players may think it is wise to make a high leveled character for pvp, more experienced players know better than to do so. The reason behind this is that less experienced low level players stand no chance against the rich twinks. In a nut shell, twinks are low level characters with good stats and equipment, but this guide will go more in-depth on that later.

Because pvp is the potion free alternative to pve (player versus everyone, which is deceiving because it does not let you fight players) less experienced players find it to be a cheap way to have fun. They soon realize their error after fighting a twink, and generally quit pvp altogether. In reality, pvp is actually expensive, if you want to do good. The reason for this is pocket legends features multiple discontinued items (items that were once possible to get, but now are not through the original method), which naturally raise in price because of increasing rarity.


2. Winning isn't everythingWinning isn't everything. Unless youíre a support mage. The time that the myth "winning is everything" is shattered from the minds of pvp players varies, but they will eventually let it go. Pocket legends pvp has risen from barbaric like noobs constantly rushing (killing without warning) to what it is today. If youíre lucky, you may get a pvp tutor to teach you the ways. If not, you will learn it the hard way or give up. What new players aren't aware of when they get their first kill (usually rushing), is that in a fair match the player they killed would have most likely beaten them. If they can't beat them, they call on a guild for help.


3. Concept of rushing and "go"The concepts of rushing MUST be grasped quickly if one would like to do good in the complex warzone that is pvp. If success is your goal, you must learn to simple words. "Go" and "no" are the only words that are essential to not being rushed. "Go" is what you need to say before fighting just about everyone, until you get better. "No" is what you say to people who say go to you and you are certain a fight with them will not benefit you in any way. This simple amount of knowledge is probably the most important thing in this guide, so hopefully those who didn't already know this did not skip over this part of the guide.


4. Rush after goEven if both players say go, a rush can still occur. This happens when both players are so close to each other that one uses their "buffs" before the other, and gets to attack first. This is usually considered rushing, so it is best to start a fight with the two players far apart from one another to avoid trouble.


5. Consequences of rushingThe consequences of rushing can be destructive to your pvp career. First, you lose respect from that person and they will probably rush you back a couple times if they are nice, sometimes a lot more. Second, they may have multiple characters to rush you with (E.G. You rush a level 10 with your level 15 so they leave and come back with a level 20.) If that isn't enough to keep rushers away, they can always rely on a guild. When players in a guild get rushed, sometimes they tell their guild to rush you every time they see you. This can be particularly bad when they are in large guilds, so look around before you rush just anyone.


6. People to rushThis tip is controversial, but since it is my guide I will list it. There are noobs you can rush, and they show up periodically throughout the day. Some players choose to not rush them or even fight them at all. Because they have only one possibility of a consequence, it is common for people to locate said noobs, and show no mercy in destroying them instantly. The one thing that can happen from destroying a complete noob is someone else from the game will see it and get mad at you, possibly even rush you.

If you plan to be a "rushing twink", you need to know who to rush. There are some simple things you can do to decide whether the supposed "noob" is actually noob or not. First thing, check the name. If their name is full of random letters they are generally not very skilled. Secondly, check the guild. If they're in a guild that you rarely see they are most likely just randomly joining pvp games. Another thing to look at is their gear. For example, a bear with a staff is generally a free kill (unless his name is Xorejtz). Looking at gear can be misleading though because some people wear noob gear so people will rush them. Once they are rushed they use that as an excuse to rush you. Another small thing that i look at occasionally is the face of the supposed noob. If it's just your average face they could be a noob.

SIDENOTE: Recently, players in PVP have been standing up for the bad players. It is highly frowned upon by most to rush new players. The reason this section of the guide was added was to show why certain players have the Kill to Death ratio that they do. As helping out new players is becoming more and more common, it may be better to not mess with new players when you see good players. What you do when no one is around except new players is entirely up to you.


7. Deciding who to fight and consequences of fight
Deciding who to fight is entirely your call, but keep in mind the pros and cons of fighting each person. To help make this decision type where you chat into "/trade <enter players name>" and then press the "avatar" button from there to see their level and possibly the amount of kills and deaths they have. From there it should be pretty clear whether or not you will win, but this cannot always be 100% accurate. If you do decide to fight them, say "go <enter players name>" when you are a fair distance away and wait for them to do the same.

Positive consequences: you win and they respect you. Your kill death ratio rises and you get more respect all around. They may invite you to guild. You lose, they may say good job and respect you for fighting them if they are higher level. You lose and they give you constructive criticism, which is always helpful.

Negative consequences: you misunderstood them and rushed them so they kill you. You lose to a low level and they rush you on higher leveled character because you are bad. You do no damage and are marked as complete noob in the eyes of everyone there. If you are in a good guild and you do bad constantly, you may be kicked from your guild.


8. Power of dex bearsWhile some players take the traditional combat approach (bears with strength, birds with dexterity and mages with intelligence), most good players mix things up with characters called "dex bears". These characters have high dexterity but are bears, so they have all the skills of a bear with the gear of a bird, a deadly combination. These bears can be particularly dangerous to players who haven't seen one before because they are bears with weapons that go a much longer range than normal. There are three main types of characters this guide will teach of for now.


9. Bird overviewThe bird. This character is pretty much always going to have dexterity when around the twinking levels (10-20). The weapons they use can vary from talons to cross bows to snow-ball launchers, or even more. Most people wanting to get serious in pvp fork out a few platinum for rings and vanity to do even better (and look better of course). The good levels for birds are generally 16 and 18. Level 16 is the first level you can unlock break and spend gathered skill points on. Level 18 unlocks repulse which blasts the target away. Break reduces armor greatly and is generally essential to the skill builds of level 16 birds.

To most, birds are looked at as basically free kills, but what they donít realize is the potential birds have. Although birds have low armor, they make up for it with their evade skill, which raises there dodge greatly. Birds rely on combos to kill their opponent. One great skill for a bird is the root which procs (makes the opponent immovable) the enemy. Most birds rush in and do their combo then follow with the root skill. After the root skill is used they begin to kite until they are able to use their combo again. Birds repeat this process until the death of their opponent. Some birds can take you out with one combo, but normally it takes two.


10. Enchantress overviewThe enchantress. There are three main types of mages (enchantresses) covered in this guide. The first is the "kite mage" and this one can be a tough one to use if lag is a factor in the fight. If you look to be a good kiting mage then you must use a device without lag and be able to afford good items like a toyman wand or a stormstrike wand. This type of character requires a bit more skill then others, but can be worth it. The strengths of the kite mage involve high amounts of skill points in healing and a mixture of frostbite and firestorm. These mages usually run while still using auto attack on the person chasing them, hence the name "kite mage". These types of mages can be frustrating to fight and have a weakness to items that can freeze people. If you want to be a good kiter do not fight players with items like the snowball launcher or duckfoot. The stats for these usually include 37 dexterity and the rest added into the intelligence character. The primary reason for this is so they can wear a ring that gives armor. The secondary reason for the dexterity is so that they can wear a snipers helm and wing, which give armor and higher hit percentage. The fighting strategies vary player to player for these characters, so find what works best for you, but try not to run in. Also, heal, heal, and heal again. This is very important for mages and is the reason they are so good.

The other job of a kiter mage is to be a "support mage". If the myth that winning is everything hasn't been taken from you, you may enjoy being one of these characters. The fun thing about being a good support mage is that you will almost never die, if you know what you are doing. Support mages are generally level 17 so they can use nightmare. The reason a support mage and kiter aren't separated into two separate

The second type of enchantress is called by some a "nuke mage". This mage specializes in the use of combos to destroy their target quickly and efficiently. This type of mage uses a lot less strategy and skill then a kiter mage and may be better for beginners to use. The weakness of these mages is that they have no healing and cannot run from other mages at all. These mages spend their skill points in specials that do high damage and lower the stats of their opponents. Because the strategy of a nuke mage is so simple, a strategy to fight them is equally simple. First, nuke mages are slightly rare to find and will usually be level. Second, if you fight them once and lose, you will probably lose again. When you do fight them, play their game. Nuke mages succeed because they expect to be kited (not always, but generally). When you fight a nuke mage, you need to do as much damage as fast as possible, as dodging will be very difficult. This strategy should stay constant, meaning; if you lose once with it you will probably lose every time.


11. Bear overviewThe last character you can possibly be is a bear. The only type of bear this guide will cover is the dex bear, as any other type is obsolete. As the name suggest, these bears have high dexterity and the skills "rage" and sometimes "iron blood", or IB. These types of characters can take on nearly any other and win, if they have the proper stat builds. These characters are versatile in the fact that you will find them at nearly every twinking level, and they generally do well. The weapons for these characters range from snowball launchers to talons to crossbows. For a helmet, use the best kind you can find (usually the one with the best armor), which will probably be ranked as a "green" in rarity. If you need a shield, the gingerbread defender is a common choice. Keep in mind that most of the bears damage relies on auto attack. When using nearly any twink, a ring that boosts stats is highly suggested, and can be purchased with platinum.

A strategy for a dex bear includes "buffing up", or using rage and iron blood at the beginning of the fight, then using auto attack and specials. It is highly common for dex bears to have high stomps and rage, and after level 16 the skill "iron blood". If your goal is to succeed as a dex bear, you must master the timing of your stomp. When facing other dex bears, attempt to dodge their stomp and hit with yours. The best strategy against a dex bear is to kite them so they can't stomp you. The snowball launcher and duckfoot are very good weapons for dex bears, as they freeze their opponent, setting up a combo for when they stomp. This combo shatters the opponent, and does a lot of damage.


12. Guilds and players to look out for
Some guilds and players will rush you. When it comes down to it, itís your decision to run or fight, but here is some reasoning to back up your choice. First and most important, donít rush sleep. If you see the word sleep under some players name in a game, don't mess with that player. Sleep is a guild that plays however it has to win. That means if you kill a low level sleep member, high level members are probably on the way. Here are some other guilds you may want to look out for:

- The Dissidents of Go (generally higher levels, but look out)
- Sit (Only if your noob)
- Sleep (Members not on often but when they are they will rush)

This section is not finished. Read the rest of this guide to find out how you can help, and possibly be added to the credits. You don't get a reward so don't ask for one.

While some guilds may be mostly good, most guilds have a few rushers in them, but don't attempt to take it out on the rest of the guild. This can end bad for you and the less skilled members of said guild. Players that may rush you, or should not be messed with are as follows:

- Vveird (or any account whose name starts with two v's, as this guy has a lot of alternate accounts)
- Kizzed (old and experienced player)
- Improving (partner of entertaining, will only rush if entertaining does)
- Moujie (china)
- Gundamsone (very wealthy and highly skilled, not to be messed with)
- Lolzwutt (gets bored and randomly rushes anyone, friends included)
- Sunblocks ("Sun..is god" - Uncleechinnn)
- GLOKS (Player skilled enough to get his entire name capitalized by most players)
- Jiven ("Now That's Unfortunate" - Jiven)
If you wish to be added to this section, get lost. Seriously though, if you feel someone is missing from here then do two things. First make sure they are level 10-20. If they are, make sure they are not in any of the guilds listed. If they meet those standards, message the account "improving" or "entertaining" in game to have them added. Keep in mind that beating one of these players once will not add you to this list.


13. Guilds to rush
Some people find it helpful to use someones guild mates for leverage (E.G., you rush me i rush your guild). This can be an okay approach if you have the skill but be very careful. This type of strategy can be good for justifying your desire for rushing, but can backfire when they team up on you. If multiple people from one guild rush you, it may be wise to rush everyone in the guild, so as to stop an onslaught of rushing before it starts (sleep). On the off chance you find a guild full of unskilled people that rush, it is highly suggested you pressure them into disbanding or simply rush them. The more guilds that rush together, the worse off the twinking community is.


14. Bird builds

Level 18 bird - by Vveird
2 focus, 6 evade, 1 repulse, 1 blastshot, 1 root, 5 break, 1 shatter
22 strength, 5 intelligence, rest on dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 15 toyman wand, level 15 expert leathers, level 10 snipers avian wing, dps ring


15. Enchantress builds
Level 17 support mage - by Entertaining
6 heal, 6 nightmare, 1 frost, 1 firestorm, 1 drain, 1 rev,
37 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 alchemist, snipers avian wing, armor ring

Level 17 nuke mage - by Entertaining
1 heal, 6 drain, 6 lightning, 1 frost, 2 firestorm
52 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 expert, level 10 snipers avian wing

Level 17 nuke/support mage - Degrading
4 heal, 6 drain, 5 fire, 1 frost
37 dex and rest on intelligence
Gear of Choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 15 pink toyman wand, level 15 alchemist, level 10 snipers avian wing



16. Bear builds

Level 12 Dex bear - by Entertaining
6 rage, 4 stomp, 1 super mega slash
All stats added to dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 10 snipers avian talon, level 5 artisan leathers, level 10 snipers avian wing, ring that raises dps

Level 15 Dex bear- by Entertaining
6 rage, 6 stomp, 2 super mega slash
All stats added to dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 15 festive snowball launcher, level 15 artisan leathers, ring that raises dps

Level 15 Dex bear - by Sucked
6 rage, 5 stomp, 1 on each slash
All stats added to dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 15 jewel thiefs talon, level 15 artisan, level 10 snipers avian wing, dps ring

Level 17 Dex bear - by Entertaining
6 rage, 6 iron blood, 3 stomp, 1 super mega slash
All stats added to dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers helm, level 17 jewel thiefís talon, level 15 artisan leathers, level 15 gingerbread defender, ring that raises dps

Level 17 Dex bear - by Lolzwutt
6 rage, 6 iron blood, 2 stomp, 1 super mega slash, 1 vengeful slash
All stats dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, level 17 jewel thiefís talon, level 15 artisan, level 15 pink gingerbread defender, armor ring

Level 19 Dex bear - by Lolzwutt
6 rage, 6 hell scream, 2 iron blood, 2 stomp,1 super mega slash, 1 vengeful slash
47 strength, rest on dexterity
Gear of choice: level 10 snipers avian helm, 19 jewel thiefís talon, 15 artisan, level 19 ironrock shield, armor ring

Level 20 Dex bear - by Vveird
6 rage, 6 hellscream, 3 stomp, 3 iron blood, 1 super mega slash
5 int, rest on dex
Gear of choice: level 20 snipers avian helm, level 20 s ipers avian talon, level 15 artisan, level 20 snipers avian wing, dps ring

Level 20 Dex bear - by Vvtf
6 rage, 6 iron blood, 3 stomp, 3 hell scream, 1 super mega slash
20 str, rest on dex
Gear of choice: level 20 snipers avian helm, level 19 pink xbow, level 15 artisan, dps ring


17. Build side note
Every build here is original, even if found elsewhere first. They have been found through players in game and not guides on forums. If you would like a build added, message the build to "improving" or "entertaining" for review. Keep in mind all builds must be for level 20s and under. If your build was not created within your brain, forget trying to get credit. Most of the gear named is very expensive and can be substituted for gear of lesser value. If you lose on one of these exact builds, blame yourself for doing so poorly.
Also in regards to builds, many players choose to get a face from the Magic Mirror. The bonuses from these faces range from +1 armor to +1 hit percentage. Some would consider these a waste of platinum, but if you have a lot and you have already paid for the cream of the crop in gear, it is highly suggested you buy a face as well.


18. Credits
Thanks to vv for all the help on making this guide, for without him it would not be here
Thanks to Improving for typing it all out
Thanks to Sryyoulose for pointing out the first error! (that i didn't notice)
Thanks to every keen eye on forums for help with grammar and spell check
Thanks to the players for all the builds and feeding my KD (NOM NOM NOM).


19. Message to the reader
If you read all of this, thank you. Message me (Entertaining) the word JIBBY for more respect. If you care to make this guide any better and possibly be added to the credits, pointing out flaws in the guide is a big help, but do it the right way. Any comments will be quickly attended too upon release of the guide. If you notice a couple errors, comment them and they will be fixed. After commenting an error, come back later to see that it is hopefully changed, and edit your comment likewise. Constructive criticism is highly valued, as this is my first guide. Also, if i left any major detail out, message me in game.


20. Favorite comments
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21. Worthy Achievements
-Made it into the guide section
-More views then any guide made this year
-Super moderator post
-10 pages of replies
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22. TL; DR (too long; didn't read)
Say go before a fight, don't rush. Use good gear. Twinks are good level 10-20 characters. Don't mess with the guild sleep or the players entertaining or vv. Builds, builds, builds. Credits, message to reader, the end. If this is the only paragraph you read don't comment.
A L17 Dex bear build can be 6Rage 4ib 3stomp 2sms and 1Crip

Noodleleg
11-10-2013, 11:03 PM
A L17 Dex bear build can be 6Rage 4ib 3stomp 2sms and 1Crip

Wai... Y u do dis?

Kixxler
11-15-2013, 10:36 PM
lul my name's still on the list

Rot
11-16-2013, 08:37 PM
love how every other players get a brief description after their names.. except moujie..

moujie (china)




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Kixxler
11-16-2013, 11:25 PM
love how every other players get a brief description after their names.. except moujie..

moujie (china)


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China is self explanatory

Hadesofshadow
12-15-2013, 07:18 AM
You're the one who got b**ned, and that fact speaks for itself.

thats ironic lmao

Depury
01-07-2014, 04:50 PM
PvE= player vs Environment...


















































































































bustedddd

125mrbear
06-27-2014, 07:30 PM
does the lv20 bear builds work?

DivineMoustache
06-27-2014, 08:39 PM
does the lv20 bear builds work?

there is a more up to date guide in my signature. However, 20 bear builds haven't changed much, as long as it has 6 HS/6 Rage it should work fine.