Send items through the mail

[Lawpvp]

I think it would be nice if we could send items through the mail. I borrowed a noxious set from a friend a couple weeks ago. He asked for it back a couple days ago but we haven't been online at the same time. Furthermore, I lent a friend a pernicious set like a month ago. I've been tryin to get it back for the last 2 weeks. But once again, we haven't been online at the same time. I missed him by 15 minutes yesterday. Given this community has players from around the world in different timezones, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has encountered a situation like this. That being said, I think it would be nice if there was a way to send people items through the mail instead of needing to be online at the same time to trade/give. World of Warcraft allows you to send items through the mail. They don't even have an account wide stash like we do in Arlor. If you wanna transfer items between characters you use the mailbox and it sends items instantly.

Anyone else think this would be a worthwhile change for the sake of convenience?

[Abdu ._.]

I think it would be nice if we could send items through the mail. I borrowed a noxious set from a friend a couple weeks ago. He asked for it back a couple days ago but we haven't been online at the same time. Furthermore, I lent a friend a pernicious set like a month ago. I've been tryin to get it back for the last 2 weeks. But once again, we haven't been online at the same time. I missed him by 15 minutes yesterday. Given this community has players from around the world in different timezones, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has encountered a situation like this. That being said, I think it would be nice if there was a way to send people items through the mail instead of needing to be online at the same time to trade/give. World of Warcraft allows you to send items through the mail. They don't even have an account wide stash like we do in Arlor. If you wanna transfer items between characters you use the mailbox and it sends items instantly.

Anyone else think this would be a worthwhile change for the sake of convenience?

Great idea imo +1


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[almountajn]

I think it would be nice if we could send items through the mail. I borrowed a noxious set from a friend a couple weeks ago. He asked for it back a couple days ago but we haven't been online at the same time. Furthermore, I lent a friend a pernicious set like a month ago. I've been tryin to get it back for the last 2 weeks. But once again, we haven't been online at the same time. I missed him by 15 minutes yesterday. Given this community has players from around the world in different timezones, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has encountered a situation like this. That being said, I think it would be nice if there was a way to send people items through the mail instead of needing to be online at the same time to trade/give. World of Warcraft allows you to send items through the mail. They don't even have an account wide stash like we do in Arlor. If you wanna transfer items between characters you use the mailbox and it sends items instantly.

Anyone else think this would be a worthwhile change for the sake of convenience?+1

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[Gaurav Arora]

+1

Sent from my Redmi Note 8 using Tapatalk+1. New options should always be welcomed.

[Saint Jaffo]

I like this idea. You should polish it with security details. The player must confirm 2 times before sending an item. The player that receives must confirm that it was received. This in case a player says "Oh no bro, I didn't received the item, I think the mailing system is glitched" and runs away with the items you sent. Of course, the player who sends "x item" is responsible in case that items doesn't gets back to its owner.

[Lawpvp]

I like this idea. You should polish it with security details. The player must confirm 2 times before sending an item. The player that receives must confirm that it was received. This in case a player says "Oh no bro, I didn't received the item, I think the mailing system is glitched" and runs away with the items you sent. Of course, the player who sends "x item" is responsible in case that items doesn't gets back to its owner.

Yah there should definitely be a confirmation button so that people don't accidentally send things. But I think a system like this would be more for sending items to friends that you aren't worried about possibly scamming you. If I was dealing with a rando then I'd just use the normal trade functionality

[Neutrone]

In the past a friend and I discussed how nice it would be to have a sort of borrowing/lending system:

- You give someone an item to use but instead set a period of time in which the person can have this item.

- Once the usage period is finished, the item disappears from the borrowers inventory and returns to the original owners inventory.

- Borrowed items cannot be traded, liquidated, altered (through awakes or jewels) or stashed.

[omg_its_Amy]

We got a "arlor time". It is not that difficult to schedule a meeting at a specific time. But only cuz it's not important enough for u both to return items I see no reason for sts to change anything

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[Lawpvp]

We got a "arlor time". It is not that difficult to schedule a meeting at a specific time. But only cuz it's not important enough for u both to return items I see no reason for sts to change anything

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please explain how it's possible to "schedule a meeting at a specific time" when you have no other form of communication with the person other than in game chat. I'll wait

[Lookupnabs]

In the past a friend and I discussed how nice it would be to have a sort of borrowing/lending system:

- You give someone an item to use but instead set a period of time in which the person can have this item.

- Once the usage period is finished, the item disappears from the borrowers inventory and returns to the original owners inventory.

- Borrowed items cannot be traded, liquidated, altered (through awakes or jewels) or stashed.

Whatever ur sayin will kill the game ..there is no use then i can borrow icegolem set and then wat????? I will br bored and i will eventually quit as i have seen the best set on game ......

Please think through before suggesting .... pls dont waste time of people who open forum to see such unthought suggestions

-fellow arlorian

[Lawpvp]

Whatever ur sayin will kill the game ..there is no use then i can borrow icegolem set and then wat????? I will br bored and i will eventually quit as i have seen the best set on game ......

Please think through before suggesting .... pls dont waste time of people who open forum to see such unthought suggestions

-fellow arlorian

I wholeheartedly disagree. I have a friend that used to lend his ice spirit set to a few people. None of them decided to quit because they had "seen the best set."

I think most players have greater aspirations than to equip a vanity set one time and then quit.

[Arcane Ziix]

This is a great idea but I feel like its one of those ideas that everyone likes the sound of but sts never implement for whatever reason.

[omg_its_Amy]

please explain how it's possible to "schedule a meeting at a specific time" when you have no other form of communication with the person other than in game chat. I'll waitWanna tell me none of u got a house? Idky u lend gear to someone u can't eveb contact. Kinda ur problem.

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[flashio]

You should try to post this in the suggestions and feedback section. +1from me

[Gaurav Arora]

Whatever ur sayin will kill the game ..there is no use then i can borrow icegolem set and then wat????? I will br bored and i will eventually quit as i have seen the best set on game ......

Please think through before suggesting .... pls dont waste time of people who open forum to see such unthought suggestions

-fellow arlorianIt will actually make the game more enjoyable. No scam, no bullsh*t.
-1 for ur unnecessary comment

[Gaurav Arora]

Wanna tell me none of u got a house? Idky u lend gear to someone u can't eveb contact. Kinda ur problem.

Gesendet von meinem Redmi Note 8 Pro mit TapatalkThe idea is good. Change which gives more freedom is always good. This can effect the game positively and can be a great help to new players. Many of us dont lend to new players or poor players because we dont wanna be scammed. This system would resolve this quite effectively.
As op mentioned, item can be sent through mail with the borrow/loan implemented. I can just then loan the equip that i am not using to any player with having control over the period by which i want the item to be returned.

[ChrisBreezy]

Great idea! This would stop people from “borrowing” gear from “friends” and blocking them afterwards. If you disagree with no logical reason and just speak out of your *** you’re probably the type of person to “borrow” gear and block them afterwards

[Redjellydonut]

Cool! @-@


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[looiaqop]

This would be a cool idea.... If i had friends

[Gaurav Arora]

ill answer this question so the devs wont have to.


























































































NOWhy are u so opposed to a new system which can reduce scams? Are u a scammer urself and thats why against this?
And who the f are u to say no from dev side?

[Lookupnabs]

It will actually make the game more enjoyable. No scam, no bullsh*t.
-1 for ur unnecessary comment

If i can try everything then what is the use of playing the game no one will aspire for anything ...:.. i worked hard for my first kershal....... if i can try everything then there is no point in the game ...

[Gaurav Arora]

If i can try everything then what is the use of playing the game no one will aspire for anything ...:.. i worked hard for my first kershal....... if i can try everything then there is no point in the game ...I think it will work differently. Imagine you experienced something which you like, but cant no more because it was borrowed and the time is over. It will actually make u try harder to attain yourself.
And I think without a test run we cant accurately say if you are more right or I am.
But this could potentially resolve scam, bring new players, retain existing new/poor players

[Lookupnabs]

I think it will work differently. Imagine you experienced something which you like, but cant no more because it was borrowed and the time is over. It will actually make u try harder to attain yourself.
And I think without a test run we cant accurately say if you are more right or I am.
But this could potentially resolve scam, bring new players, retain existing new/poor players

I dont think so if u try all sets what will you aspire then for ?

[Gaurav Arora]

I dont think so if u try all sets what will you aspire then for ?Bro not many would let you borrow theirs coz they will be using themselves. Just the op players who have many things and are interested in helping would do that. And suppose u try an op gear once, would you just lost the drive to make it yours permanently?
I dont think so.

[dynastygaming]

-1 if this is implemented then what's the point for farming or earning gold when your goal can simply be borrowed. Also, if this happened nobody would buy gears anymore because most will rely on borrowed items. and thus, the butterfly effect if no one will buy then gears will flood the market, then it would affect opening crates since inside is no value, then the dimishing of the game. thanks

[dynastygaming]

and surely in majority, you think they will lend this items for free? this whole idea would translate in "rent" and ironic because more scams can happen.

[Lil sez]

+1111 so good

[Encryptions]

+1111 so good

Free common swords incoming.

[Shocan]

+1, tired of leaving my char afk in the gh to wait for gear to be returned lol, it'd make it much more convenient

[Ohgeezy]

Good idea,,,
and risky at some point,
What if one of your friend borrowed your set and the next day u recieve a msg from stranger saying,
Bro its me, i cant login on my main char i was banned,,
And then the following weeks u see ur item someone selling it XD

Im just telling the posible senario

[Gaurav Arora]

and surely in majority, you think they will lend this items for free? this whole idea would translate in "rent" and ironic because more scams can happen.Bro please elaborate on what you mean by more scam. I dont think any particular scenario is coming to my mind, so if you do have thought of that, do share.

[looiaqop]

Bro please elaborate on what you mean by more scam. I dont think any particular scenario is coming to my mind, so if you do have thought of that, do share.Someone can say "ill pay u xxx amount of gold for renting item" then they dont pay

[Gaurav Arora]

-1 if this is implemented then what's the point for farming or earning gold when your goal can simply be borrowed. Also, if this happened nobody would buy gears anymore because most will rely on borrowed items. and thus, the butterfly effect if no one will buy then gears will flood the market, then it would affect opening crates since inside is no value, then the dimishing of the game. thanksYou are talking like all players would let anyone borrow their gear.
First of all I dont think there are too many players that have extra gear (good gear) just lying around that they are not using.
And second, the person should be willing to let you borrow.
I have few items that I dont use and hv not sold yet. Until they are sold, I can help my friend by letting him borrow for lets say a few days and after that automatically they are returned to me.
The guy I lent to, suddenly wont just be like I hv used this item for few days, i am now leaving game. That is impractical imo.
Instead it would keep many players from being frustrated from game and rage quitting.
We all are here to play a game, if player doesn't have anyway to enjoy game, then whats the point?
I want new players in AL and player base to increase. Well thats my thought process.

[dynastygaming]

Bro please elaborate on what you mean by more scam. I dont think any particular scenario is coming to my mind, so if you do have thought of that, do share.

scammers will take advantage to lend items but in consideration of "rent" and ofcourse gold first then run after giving the gold. And of course denegrate all the the hardwork and value of items when it is to be borrowed by all, for what sense of farming when you can just rent what you aspire. So think of the repercussion, something like the gears will be flooded no one will buy gears anymore because they can get one by borrowing. Ice spirit, Frank set, Medusa, name all of these lb vanities will be denigrated bigtime when all can wear them... There should be no shortcut in everything, Trust me the feeling is better when you achieve it by working hard. Thanks,

P.S I once was a newbie too and im a F2P and I earned my gears and gold by my hardworking not by borrowing!

[Gaurav Arora]

Free common swords incoming.Lel. Smelly helms for the win

[Gaurav Arora]

Someone can say "ill pay u xxx amount of gold for renting item" then they dont payHmm, but that system can also be implemented i think. While lending items u can set a per day price and send the mail. If the user accepts, he gets item and u get its payment. If they dont hv gold, the item gets back to u or if ur predetermined time of lending is over.

[looiaqop]

Hmm, but that system can also be implemented i think. While lending items u can set a per day price and send the mail. If the user accepts, he gets item and u get its payment. If they dont hv gold, the item gets back to u or if ur predetermined time of lending is over.But then this wouldnt be considered lending items, this would be another way for people to make gold

[Gaurav Arora]

scammers will take advantage to lend items but in consideration of "rent" and ofcourse gold first then run after giving the gold. And of course denegrate all the the hardwork and value of items when it is to be borrowed by all, for what sense of farming when you can just rent what you aspire. So think of the repercussion, something like the gears will be flooded no one will buy gears anymore because they can get one by borrowing. Ice spirit, Frank set, Medusa, name all of these lb vanities will be denigrated bigtime when all can wear them... There should be no shortcut in everything, Trust me the feeling is better when you achieve it by working hard. Thanks,

P.S I once was a newbie too and im a F2P and I earned my gears and gold by my hardworking not by borrowing!Sigh, bro do u think I dont hve played this game and worked hard as u say to get my gear?
That point was unnecessary.
And ice set few and limited. Do u think all will be wearing those?
Dont just panic on a new idea. Think about it and give more idea to refine it and solve the scenario u just mentioned. Just dismissing the idea that has potential is wasteful dont u think?

[dynastygaming]

You are talking like all players would let anyone borrow their gear.
First of all I dont think there are too many players that have extra gear (good gear) just lying around that they are not using.
And second, the person should be willing to let you borrow.
I have few items that I dont use and hv not sold yet. Until they are sold, I can help my friend by letting him borrow for lets say a few days and after that automatically they are returned to me.
The guy I lent to, suddenly wont just be like I hv used this item for few days, i am now leaving game. That is impractical imo.
Instead it would keep many players from being frustrated from game and rage quitting.
We all are here to play a game, if player doesn't have anyway to enjoy game, then whats the point?
I want new players in AL and player base to increase. Well thats my thought process.

Yes, but your talking as if when your concept is approved it would only demarcate from borrowing speed sets, think of the other matters people can lend. Your talking as if you wanted a communism which isn't practical for an MMO, we play to compete, in fact this game has been very much F2P nowadays compared back then, you have these series of events that would give you gold just by working hard, before? we rarely have these consecutive good events, mostly its 2x arcane from locks/2x xp/2x planar chest, so be grateful dont expect newbie player to earn 100m in 1day you work hard for it. And lastly, if you want to increase the players base they should focus on PVP because competitiveness attracts players not communism. Communism maybe good at first but sooner they will get bored too because everything is easy to get and no thrill, no goals!

CHAO

[dynastygaming]

Sigh, bro do u think I dont hve played this game and worked hard as u say to get my gear?
That point was unnecessary.
And ice set few and limited. Do u think all will be wearing those?
Dont just panic on a new idea. Think about it and give more idea to refine it and solve the scenario u just mentioned. Just dismissing the idea that has potential is wasteful dont u think?

Exactly, you work hard for it same as I, you thinking this concept is benevolent for the newbies but your just feeding them, tolerating them and in turn is detrimental for a MMO game. I understand that you just want security of your item, but sadly "in every action there is an opposite reaction". lastly, these woudnt really benefit newbies unknown to you, but only those friends of yours. If I'm helping a newbie ill rather help him in maps rather than making him borrow my item.

[Remiem]

Moving this to Suggestions and Feedback. <3

[Achates]

Moving this to Suggestions and Feedback. <3

Hi Dev, can we get a rework on Ebon Staff's Proc soon? Sorry but i think its not useful since it doesnt match mage's gameplay, it is different to other ebon weaps such as Ebon Dag and Aegis. I know you have put it on improvement list already, but it is better to rework it as soon as possible to make the weapon worth again :D
Ty for listening to us devs, love you all :3
Have a nice day ^-^

[Archugejackmen]

In the past a friend and I discussed how nice it would be to have a sort of borrowing/lending system:

- You give someone an item to use but instead set a period of time in which the person can have this item.

- Once the usage period is finished, the item disappears from the borrowers inventory and returns to the original owners inventory.

- Borrowed items cannot be traded, liquidated, altered (through awakes or jewels) or stashed.

This + OP’s suggestions sound great

[arcanefid]

Hi Dev, can we get a rework on Ebon Staff's Proc soon? Sorry but i think its not useful since it doesnt match mage's gameplay, it is different to other ebon weaps such as Ebon Dag and Aegis. I know you have put it on improvement list already, but it is better to rework it as soon as possible to make the weapon worth again :D
Ty for listening to us devs, love you all :3
Have a nice day ^-^

I don't think there's a point in changing 3 year old weapons now.

[Achates]

I don't think there's a point in changing 3 year old weapons now.
For me, there is. Even if it is an old weapon, it still need to be used, lots of people skip the weap only because of its proc doesnt good. I saw devs already put them in Improvement lists but they havent change it until now. I wish they implement it sooner :D

[PatD]

In the past a friend and I discussed how nice it would be to have a sort of borrowing/lending system:

- You give someone an item to use but instead set a period of time in which the person can have this item.

- Once the usage period is finished, the item disappears from the borrowers inventory and returns to the original owners inventory.

- Borrowed items cannot be traded, liquidated, altered (through awakes or jewels) or stashed.

-999999

It as been suggest many time and of course it would kill the game,
if u can borrow anything you lose the will and motivation to grind for your own gears or van,
and to grind for your own stuff is the essence of this games,
and if i remember, Cinco said almost the same thing

So sorry but its a big NO for me and many other i'm sure

Wish you all a nice day :)

[Zeus]

This would be epic if implemented.

[ReturnOfWarrior]

+1 for this idea

[trueido]

In the past I also had good thoughts about a borrowing system.
But then I thought what will happen in leaderboards.
Imagine that a a top hydra/flylord/EVG player will lend his gears to 10 of his friends, no one else would have a chance to get a top score.
Same thing will happen in event such as swamp temple.
Terrible idea, don't do it.

[Analytical]

-1 or +1?

After reading what everyone above have said, I see 2 obvious problems so far if Borrow/Return through email is implemented:

Problem 1: Drama
Problem 2: No Demand to Purchase Items

Problem 1:
More drama will surface not just exposure of players ID in forum, hateful discussions, we will also start seeing threads in traders forum "Borrowing ice spirit set, borrow Skratch staff"
Discussion of problem 1:
-Is this really still a common problem in todays forum?
-Is there a point to reduce drama when it is literally happening every minute?
-Put it another way, isn't more drama equal more players activity in game/forum?
Solution 1:
Typical Dev actions
- As usual, warn people who expose IDs, closing threads. Next, Disallow borrowing through forum/only in game.
Conclusion 1: Not a big problem.

Problem 2:
As many discussed above, if they can REPEATEDLY borrow any desirable items, there's absolutely 0 incentive to buy any item to hold for long term.
Discussion of problem 2:
- Strictly speaking, this problem is only valid for items that are used once like uller/himi/etc sets when solution 2 is implemented.
- As for desirable vanities where people work their aas off to own, they mostly buy to hold them for a good long term profit, and borrowing won't allow that to happen.
Solution 2:
"Borrow Tickets" System. Set a Max Borrow limit, and max borrow time
- Similar to Hotbars/Battle tokens/House Stamps, a New plat item can be implemented. People need to buy "Borrow Tickets" in order to borrow any item each time. Only 3 Tickets can be used on any item in any given week. (For every item/per week, there's a limit of say, 3 times anyone can borrow)
- One can only borrow up to a maximum of 30mins each time they borrow which is enough to test out the weapon/vanity. At the end of the borrow time, the item will be returned to the owner regardless if either is offline/online.
Conclusion 2 : New plat avenue for dev and plat players, new money making opportunities for f2p.

So?

+1 from me.

Mail borrow/return is a good suggestion but needs to be refined to avoid misuse/scams/unnecessary problems.

[Kystone]

In the past I also had good thoughts about a borrowing system.
But then I thought what will happen in leaderboards.
Imagine that a a top hydra/flylord/EVG player will lend his gears to 10 of his friends, no one else would have a chance to get a top score.
Same thing will happen in event such as swamp temple.
Terrible idea, don't do it.

people already borrow items for both, this makes it easier on anyone who chooses to lend gear

[Deathlyreaper]

As much as I like the lending and borrowing idea, it just won’t get implemented. It reduces incentive to buy gears and sts wants that incentive to get $$$$.
However, i do not see anything wrong with sending items through the mail system. It’s has the same risks as what we have now when we give players gears, this just makes it more convenient
+1


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[swoutttt]

-1 Dont think we should stimulate borrowing items ingame. In some situations it even feels as cheating. I seen people reach lb with other ppls gear in a day! while other people who work hard for their gold / items dont have a chance. Pretty unfair to those..
Therefor there should always be a huge risk to borrowing items. And the people who borrow items to others should think twice and dont start crying when someone takes of with their items. If a friend asks if he/she can loan something I would doubt their intentions. Especially since they dont have any risk losing something. If you feel like helping someone out and dont matter about the risk, then you can just gift someone.

[Analytical]

-1 Dont think we should stimulate borrowing items ingame. In some situations it even feels as cheating. I seen people reach lb with other ppls gear in a day! while other people who work hard for their gold / items dont have a chance. Pretty unfair to those..
Therefor there should always be a huge risk to borrowing items. And the people who borrow items to others should think twice and dont start crying when someone takes of with their items. If a friend asks if he/she can loan something I would doubt their intentions. Especially since they dont have any risk losing something. If you feel like helping someone out and dont matter about the risk, then you can just gift someone.

Did you even read what others have said above lol before throwing the same exact comment xD

[dynastygaming]

-1 or +1?

After reading what everyone above have said, I see 2 obvious problems so far if Borrow/Return through email is implemented:

Problem 1: Drama
Problem 2: No Demand to Purchase Items

Problem 1:
More drama will surface not just exposure of players ID in forum, hateful discussions, we will also start seeing threads in traders forum "Borrowing ice spirit set, borrow Skratch staff"
Discussion of problem 1:
-Is this really still a common problem in todays forum?
-Is there a point to reduce drama when it is literally happening every minute?
-Put it another way, isn't more drama equal more players activity in game/forum?
Solution 1:
Typical Dev actions
- As usual, warn people who expose IDs, closing threads. Next, Disallow borrowing through forum/only in game.
Conclusion 1: Not a big problem.

Problem 2:
As many discussed above, if they can REPEATEDLY borrow any desirable items, there's absolutely 0 incentive to buy any item to hold for long term.
Discussion of problem 2:
- Strictly speaking, this problem is only valid for items that are used once like uller/himi/etc sets when solution 2 is implemented.
- As for desirable vanities where people work their aas off to own, they mostly buy to hold them for a good long term profit, and borrowing won't allow that to happen.
Solution 2:
"Borrow Tickets" System. Set a Max Borrow limit, and max borrow time
- Similar to Hotbars/Battle tokens/House Stamps, a New plat item can be implemented. People need to buy "Borrow Tickets" in order to borrow any item each time. Only 3 Tickets can be used on any item in any given week. (For every item/per week, there's a limit of say, 3 times anyone can borrow)
- One can only borrow up to a maximum of 30mins each time they borrow which is enough to test out the weapon/vanity. At the end of the borrow time, the item will be returned to the owner regardless if either is offline/online.
Conclusion 2 : New plat avenue for dev and plat players, new money making opportunities for f2p.

So?

+1 from me.

Mail borrow/return is a good suggestion but needs to be refined to avoid misuse/scams/unnecessary problems.

wait so you mean only uller himi vili can be borrowed or any other items just for 30 minutes? you know what this borrow system is nonsense if thats for that purpose only because you can just give an equal amount of value to those items as security, then you can borrow it. As for the lb vanities the lb vanities owner can turn this as to be more lucrative for them because practically they can ask people to rent their vanities and pay, and ofc ppl would do since they want to take selfies wearing them. And to sum it up what point? to borrow? Well, just to wear your dream goal vanity? nonsense! (basically gears are excluded here since if there is maximum time of 30 minutes only, in which they should be the main subject of the debate of what their effects on the economy and gameplay).

[dynastygaming]

-1 or +1?

After reading what everyone above have said, I see 2 obvious problems so far if Borrow/Return through email is implemented:

Problem 1: Drama
Problem 2: No Demand to Purchase Items

Problem 1:
More drama will surface not just exposure of players ID in forum, hateful discussions, we will also start seeing threads in traders forum "Borrowing ice spirit set, borrow Skratch staff"
Discussion of problem 1:
-Is this really still a common problem in todays forum?
-Is there a point to reduce drama when it is literally happening every minute?
-Put it another way, isn't more drama equal more players activity in game/forum?
Solution 1:
Typical Dev actions
- As usual, warn people who expose IDs, closing threads. Next, Disallow borrowing through forum/only in game.
Conclusion 1: Not a big problem.

Problem 2:
As many discussed above, if they can REPEATEDLY borrow any desirable items, there's absolutely 0 incentive to buy any item to hold for long term.
Discussion of problem 2:
- Strictly speaking, this problem is only valid for items that are used once like uller/himi/etc sets when solution 2 is implemented.
- As for desirable vanities where people work their aas off to own, they mostly buy to hold them for a good long term profit, and borrowing won't allow that to happen.
Solution 2:
"Borrow Tickets" System. Set a Max Borrow limit, and max borrow time
- Similar to Hotbars/Battle tokens/House Stamps, a New plat item can be implemented. People need to buy "Borrow Tickets" in order to borrow any item each time. Only 3 Tickets can be used on any item in any given week. (For every item/per week, there's a limit of say, 3 times anyone can borrow)
- One can only borrow up to a maximum of 30mins each time they borrow which is enough to test out the weapon/vanity. At the end of the borrow time, the item will be returned to the owner regardless if either is offline/online.
Conclusion 2 : New plat avenue for dev and plat players, new money making opportunities for f2p.

So?

+1 from me.

Mail borrow/return is a good suggestion but needs to be refined to avoid misuse/scams/unnecessary problems.

and to point out these stigma, when player is rich you guys refered to them as P2W then others are F2P, come on its not hard to make gold in this game, game has transformed very f2p these days, lot of avenues where you can make gold. Ask these newbies yes newbies not F2P to farm and earn their gold, stop being lazy and ask for shortcuts. And to tell you what much P2W differ? 1700 plats in opening crates wouldnt even guarantee you a 100m, 1700 plats in crates in some case woundnt even give you any good loot, well in fact in the F2P are much richer than P2W these days yes youll be shocked game is more F2P nowadays!

[Analytical]

wait so you mean only uller himi vili can be borrowed or any other items just for 30 minutes? you know what this borrow system is nonsense if thats for that purpose only because you can just give an equal amount of value to those items as security, then you can borrow it. As for the lb vanities the lb vanities owner can turn this as to be more lucrative for them because practically they can ask people to rent their vanities and pay, and ofc ppl would do since they want to take selfies wearing them. And to sum it up what point? to borrow? Well, just to wear your dream goal vanity? nonsense! (basically gears are excluded here since if there is maximum time of 30 minutes only, in which they should be the main subject of the debate of what their effects on the economy and gameplay).

I'm not sure if you are actually reading what I'm saying. Allow me to clarify:
1. Uller, Himi and vili sets are simply examples where people can take advantage of the borrow system to not have to buy them for quest use as it might take pretty short time for them to complete.
2. What I was referring to is for any item in Arlor, you get a 30 min trial but only at a maximum of 3 times per week/per month for each item. Which means the limit (whether its set as once or thrice per week/month) fulfils the purpose of "trying something out" instead of "renting everything in Arlor and not buying anything"
3. To be clear, I'm suggesting the above as per RELEVANT as well as an improvement to the suggestion provided to the OP so that whatever is suggested by the OP becomes pragmatically more workable. Put it another way, I'm trying to offer solutions instead of some others who might be trash talking with no constructive help.

Now back to your comments.
1. Yes it's true there's no need for borrow system when you can trade an equally valued items as security, have mentioned that multiple times in my past posts. Nothing new here. The reason for this mail borrow and return system is focused on the RETURN side of things. The security only works if I don't mind losing my item given that I have something in hand to sell for should the borrower not return back. But what if I want to make sure the item I borrow gets returned back? Like rare OP gears? This is when the automated mail return system is useful once the borrow time is up the item will be automatically returned to the owner.
2. As for the Desirable Vanities, LB or not, have you not try out your new year clothes in the fitting rooms before? And what's so bad about not buying but renting something you like for 30mins while knowing it will not affect the sales of the item but more likely be a promotion to others to buy this rented item? And if you read my comment, you would notice I have addressed the possibility of someone ruining the vanities market by saying what actual buyers of such vanities are thinking of making profit in the long run. Meaning they will buy the vanity because of its rarity not based on how many times any random dude has borrowed it.

Anyway, thank your for the input but you don't have to call a suggestion as nonsense even if you don't agree with it. Peace.

[dynastygaming]

I'm not sure if you are actually reading what I'm saying. Allow me to clarify:
1. Uller, Himi and vili sets are simply examples where people can take advantage of the borrow system to not have to buy them for quest use as it might take pretty short time for them to complete.
2. What I was referring to is for any item in Arlor, you get a 30 min trial but only at a maximum of 3 times per week/per month for each item. Which means the limit (whether its set as once or thrice per week/month) fulfils the purpose of "trying something out" instead of "renting everything in Arlor and not buying anything"
3. To be clear, I'm suggesting the above as per RELEVANT as well as an improvement to the suggestion provided to the OP so that whatever is suggested by the OP becomes pragmatically more workable. Put it another way, I'm trying to offer solutions instead of some others who might be trash talking with no constructive help.

Now back to your comments.
1. Yes it's true there's no need for borrow system when you can trade an equally valued items as security, have mentioned that multiple times in my past posts. Nothing new here. The reason for this mail borrow and return system is focused on the RETURN side of things. The security only works if I don't mind losing my item given that I have something in hand to sell for should the borrower not return back. But what if I want to make sure the item I borrow gets returned back? Like rare OP gears? This is when the automated mail return system is useful once the borrow time is up the item will be automatically returned to the owner.
2. As for the Desirable Vanities, LB or not, have you not try out your new year clothes in the fitting rooms before? And what's so bad about not buying but renting something you like for 30mins while knowing it will not affect the sales of the item but more likely be a promotion to others to buy this rented item? And if you read my comment, you would notice I have addressed the possibility of someone ruining the vanities market by saying what actual buyers of such vanities are thinking of making profit in the long run. Meaning they will buy the vanity because of its rarity not based on how many times any random dude has borrowed it.

Anyway, thank your for the input but you don't have to call a suggestion as nonsense even if you don't agree with it. Peace.

well,

1. yes the 30 minute rule can work on uller,vili and himi yes because it requires only for quest. but by giving same value item as security theres no need for it.

2. so basically your saying is that, this is to be implemented because new players can try items such as vanities and yes the expensive ones. that's just nonsense update so that you can try items like fitting room. lol think of the sure scenarios:

a. those with lb vanities will let them try, for rent, and of course they will buy since they will take selfies. so is that what u want? this update is for that only? that all players can try all their dream vanities take selfies and you think they will still have the aspiration to get it? you know vanities are meant to be as a result of your hardwork owning one represents your hardwork or dedicacy in arlor, now if your wearing one clearly its disparage because players would think its just borrowed. And if u rent your dream vanity, surely your goal to have that wouldnt that be satisfying anymore. so renting these are just "hi im lvl 55 i just played al last month, oh i want that yeah i want that all even though im a newbie!".

to sum it up, only fools got scammed and if you want to borrow just give with equal collateral and there is no shortcut for everything, dont be jealous . had u tried playing test server of al? when u can try everything? in just 2 days ill swear you will uninstall al!

chao

[Analytical]

well,

1. yes the 30 minute rule can work on uller,vili and himi yes because it requires only for quest. but by giving same value item as security theres no need for it.

2. so basically your saying is that, this is to be implemented because new players can try items such as vanities and yes the expensive ones. that's just nonsense update so that you can try items like fitting room. lol think of the sure scenarios:

a. those with lb vanities will let them try, for rent, and of course they will buy since they will take selfies. so is that what u want? this update is for that only? that all players can try all their dream vanities take selfies and you think they will still have the aspiration to get it? you know vanities are meant to be as a result of your hardwork owning one represents your hardwork or dedicacy in arlor, now if your wearing one clearly its disparage because players would think its just borrowed. And if u rent your dream vanity, surely your goal to have that wouldnt that be satisfying anymore. so renting these are just "hi im lvl 55 i just played al last month, oh i want that yeah i want that all even though im a newbie!".

to sum it up, only fools got scammed and if you want to borrow just give with equal collateral and there is no shortcut for everything, dont be jealous . had u tried playing test server of al? when u can try everything? in just 2 days ill swear you will uninstall al!

chao

Kindly read the OP thread before you even comment any further, at least respect the OP by actually reading before throwing comments.
In case you got too excited to cherry pick on the vanity part of my suggestions, mind yourself that the focus of OP here is the "returning" of borrowed items

1. No idea why keep repeating "Why there's no need for this when there's security deposit" when I have already addressed this twice. Well, not an issue I will bold it for you "The security only works if I don't mind losing my item given that I have something in hand to sell for should the borrower not return back. But what if I want to make sure the item I borrow gets returned back? Like rare OP gears? This is when the automated mail return system is useful once the borrow time is up the item will be automatically returned to the owner."

2. Correct me if I get this wrong: you are worried that once "they" borrowed the items, "they" won't have the goal to acquire for that said item hence destroying the vanities prices. You might have missed out on something: Why do "they" want these rare vanities? For what purpose?
A. "They" simply want to try it out and feel awesome/flex even for a short while
B. "They" want to own the vanity and make good profit by selling way later.
C. "They" want both A and B.

By "they" I'm assuming there are two main groups of people you are talking about.

One is the group that hopes sts, their friends, the rich to hand them over items and gold as though we are their mums and dads which on most occasions they ended up in cities begging, in forum complaining etc. Two is another group of people who work hard to get the items they want, whether it is OP gear, rare vanities etc. For the second group of people, a good majority buy vanities to hopefully make good profit out of it by keeping them for long term.

Now I'm curious, if you are selling your medusa set would you target group 1 or 2?

3. "And if u rent your dream vanity, surely your goal to have that wouldnt that be satisfying anymore. so renting these are just "hi im lvl 55 i just played al last month, oh i want that yeah i want that all even though im a newbie!"."

Can't this be a more realistic, reachable milestone for the "newbies"?

Say medusa set for example, can a newbie afford it without plat? Ofc not!
Wait, but renting it for 5m even for just 30mins? Sounds like a possible goal now.
Don't you think this helps selling in a way?

If renting does not affect selling, can't renting & selling be separately discussed?

[dynastygaming]

Kindly read the OP thread before you even comment any further, at least respect the OP by actually reading before throwing comments.
In case you got too excited to cherry pick on the vanity part of my suggestions, mind yourself that the focus of OP here is the "returning" of borrowed items

1. No idea why keep repeating "Why there's no need for this when there's security deposit" when I have already addressed this twice. Well, not an issue I will bold it for you "The security only works if I don't mind losing my item given that I have something in hand to sell for should the borrower not return back. But what if I want to make sure the item I borrow gets returned back? Like rare OP gears? This is when the automated mail return system is useful once the borrow time is up the item will be automatically returned to the owner."

2. Correct me if I get this wrong: you are worried that once "they" borrowed the items, "they" won't have the goal to acquire for that said item hence destroying the vanities prices. You might have missed out on something: Why do "they" want these rare vanities? For what purpose?
A. "They" simply want to try it out and feel awesome/flex even for a short while
B. "They" want to own the vanity and make good profit by selling way later.
C. "They" want both A and B.

By "they" I'm assuming there are two main groups of people you are talking about.

One is the group that hopes sts, their friends, the rich to hand them over items and gold as though we are their mums and dads which on most occasions they ended up in cities begging, in forum complaining etc. Two is another group of people who work hard to get the items they want, whether it is OP gear, rare vanities etc. For the second group of people, a good majority buy vanities to hopefully make good profit out of it by keeping them for long term.

Now I'm curious, if you are selling your medusa set would you target group 1 or 2?

3. "And if u rent your dream vanity, surely your goal to have that wouldnt that be satisfying anymore. so renting these are just "hi im lvl 55 i just played al last month, oh i want that yeah i want that all even though im a newbie!"."

Can't this be a more realistic, reachable milestone for the "newbies"?

Say medusa set for example, can a newbie afford it without plat? Ofc not!
Wait, but renting it for 5m even for just 30mins? Sounds like a possible goal now.
Don't you think this helps selling in a way?

If renting does not affect selling, can't renting & selling be separately discussed?

I read what OP had said but I just found in unnecessary because it just seems sus when you lend an item and both of you can't meet in same time, as I construe it the borrower is having intention of not returning it. You know in first place borrowing should not be permitted because the main goal right is to get much gold to buy these gears and vanities, and now if you can borrow them, then what's your goal? anymore?

Okay, rare op gears. Listen, as what you had suggested you want it to be limited to 30 minutes only, now, what will the players do in 30 minutes? for what intention? as you see it can lead only to exploitations like doing lb orrick/timed runs and other events.

LB vanities, your talking on your hunch only, if you cant afford a medusa then you have a chance to rent on it, for sure you wont aspire to buy medusa anymore because 1st of their high price 2nd you can borrow it anytime, anywhere take selfies on it, idk why "rare vanities" are such a big deal to you they are "rare" because they are precious and as I reiterated they are the fruit of the hardwork and dedications of the players, why are you so concerned about the newbies let them farm lol, plenty of ways to do we have egg zavier, house event, all events are lucrative and designed mostly for the new players. you can earn 100-200m of those if ur hardworking. and see they want to try it out flex on a little lol clearly your asking for a shortcut of dreams, what could be the different for the original owner? when all have the chance to wear them? even for 30 minutes, all will have the same feel the same in everything? I would just then sell my medusa and just borrow one when Im missing it. Nonsense!

Lastly, "Say medusa set for example, can a newbie afford it without plat? OFC not" and ofc its hard how would you think a newbie to have 2 billion in 1 month? omg thats common sense. so your implying is the original medusa owner who worked his 2b for 3 years, 4 years, 5 years he' well dedicated to the game and medusa is so much memories to him from his toiling should give way to the newbie who doesnt even know how auction works perhaps. You see? its nonsense! not like this billions of these players have were just a leprechaun leave they had found in street, they worked hard for it! why not these newbies too? come on? sorry i just think that suggestion are hoping for lazy work.

[Analytical]

I read what OP had said but I just found in unnecessary because it just seems sus when you lend an item and both of you can't meet in same time, as I construe it the borrower is having intention of not returning it. You know in first place borrowing should not be permitted because the main goal right is to get much gold to buy these gears and vanities, and now if you can borrow them, then what's your goal? anymore?

Okay, rare op gears. Listen, as what you had suggested you want it to be limited to 30 minutes only, now, what will the players do in 30 minutes? for what intention? as you see it can lead only to exploitations like doing lb orrick/timed runs and other events.

LB vanities, your talking on your hunch only, if you cant afford a medusa then you have a chance to rent on it, for sure you wont aspire to buy medusa anymore because 1st of their high price 2nd you can borrow it anytime, anywhere take selfies on it, idk why "rare vanities" are such a big deal to you they are "rare" because they are precious and as I reiterated they are the fruit of the hardwork and dedications of the players, why are you so concerned about the newbies let them farm lol, plenty of ways to do we have egg zavier, house event, all events are lucrative and designed mostly for the new players. you can earn 100-200m of those if ur hardworking. and see they want to try it out flex on a little lol clearly your asking for a shortcut of dreams, what could be the different for the original owner? when all have the chance to wear them? even for 30 minutes, all will have the same feel the same in everything? I would just then sell my medusa and just borrow one when Im missing it. Nonsense!

Lastly, "Say medusa set for example, can a newbie afford it without plat? OFC not" and ofc its hard how would you think a newbie to have 2 billion in 1 month? omg thats common sense. so your implying is the original medusa owner who worked his 2b for 3 years, 4 years, 5 years he' well dedicated to the game and medusa is so much memories to him from his toiling should give way to the newbie who doesnt even know how auction works perhaps. You see? its nonsense! not like this billions of these players have were just a leprechaun leave they had found in street, they worked hard for it! why not these newbies too? come on? sorry i just think that suggestion are hoping for lazy work.

I was wondering if you have a reading issue. Completely changing my meaning and ignoring passages of comments.

1. To answer your concern about exploitation, here's an easy knife analogy:
"I can't take away the right of a murderer to kill with his knife nor can I take away the right of a dedicated chef to prepare meals with his knife. Does that mean we shouldn't create knife in the first place?"

If we can't eliminate people who are gonna bang people using cars, Elon musk shouldn't work so hard to invent and innovate on electric cars?
If people are gonna abuse drugs scientist should stop researching on drugs to help illed people in the hospital?
If people are gonna abuse the auction system in AL, sts should remove auction all together?

You see where I'm going.

2. That aside, clearly you appear to have no idea how to target the right group of people to sell. You are not the only one with rare vanities, I own quite a couple too. If suggesting this would harm my own sales ohh you bet you won't even see them here in the first place.

Now, why would I care about those who want to borrow and flex(group 1)? Why can't I put my focus on people who want to buy to hoard for long term(group 2)? Another simple example, would you entertain lowballers or focus on actual buyers?

Last, if you are gonna continue to brim through words instead of really reading and comprehending what has been addressed, I'm done replying.

[dynastygaming]

I was wondering if you have a reading issue. Completely changing my meaning and ignoring passages of comments.

1. To answer your concern about exploitation, here's an easy knife analogy:
"I can't take away the right of a murderer to kill with his knife nor can I take away the right of a dedicated chef to prepare meals with his knife. Does that mean we shouldn't create knife in the first place?"

If we can't eliminate people who are gonna bang people using cars, Elon musk shouldn't work so hard to invent and innovate on electric cars?
If people are gonna abuse drugs scientist should stop researching on drugs to help illed people in the hospital?
If people are gonna abuse the auction system in AL, sts should remove auction all together?

You see where I'm going.

2. That aside, clearly you appear to have no idea how to target the right group of people to sell. You are not the only one with rare vanities, I own quite a couple too. If suggesting this would harm my own sales ohh you bet you won't even see them here in the first place.

Now, why would I care about those who want to borrow and flex(group 1)? Why can't I put my focus on people who want to buy to hoard for long term(group 2)? Another simple example, would you entertain lowballers or focus on actual buyers?

Last, if you are gonna continue to brim through words instead of really reading and comprehending what has been addressed, I'm done replying.

no bro, your off beat, im not. All your saying is contrary to what your saying. selling? were discoursing here about borrowing to remind you. I'll just leave you questions to make you stay on track.

1. Why would a newbie player can wear best items in game? if you want to help him then help him level up.

2. What's the difference of 1 month play time and 3-5 years playtime?

3. You mentioned op gears for 30 minutes, what for? if u wanna help then just help him clear maps lol

game is good as it is, started from lending nox set in 30 minutes but had not thought of the certain repercussions. I see no point just that newbies getting fed with everything.

P.S i dont give 5k to those pming me in pier.

[dynastygaming]

I was wondering if you have a reading issue. Completely changing my meaning and ignoring passages of comments.

1. To answer your concern about exploitation, here's an easy knife analogy:
"I can't take away the right of a murderer to kill with his knife nor can I take away the right of a dedicated chef to prepare meals with his knife. Does that mean we shouldn't create knife in the first place?"

If we can't eliminate people who are gonna bang people using cars, Elon musk shouldn't work so hard to invent and innovate on electric cars?
If people are gonna abuse drugs scientist should stop researching on drugs to help illed people in the hospital?
If people are gonna abuse the auction system in AL, sts should remove auction all together?

You see where I'm going.

2. That aside, clearly you appear to have no idea how to target the right group of people to sell. You are not the only one with rare vanities, I own quite a couple too. If suggesting this would harm my own sales ohh you bet you won't even see them here in the first place.

Now, why would I care about those who want to borrow and flex(group 1)? Why can't I put my focus on people who want to buy to hoard for long term(group 2)? Another simple example, would you entertain lowballers or focus on actual buyers?

Last, if you are gonna continue to brim through words instead of really reading and comprehending what has been addressed, I'm done replying.

and I get you, your mentioning that you can only lend to 2 group of people, 1 is those who want for flex only, next is for those who want to buy it in future.

how would you know which person does that belong? and bro why thinking of a fitting room lol you know you solely can wear that and everyone can inspect you. so dont reason that out. the truth is if it's accesible to everyone then it is valued at 0. Common sense only. Im not being harsh okay im being candid.

[Gaurav Arora]

I think we should just stop debating on this and close this thread as we have got many good points for and against these ideas, we wont ever reach any conclusion. Remiem already has read the ideas, now its in Dev's hand to implement it in way that satisfies majority of players or not implement it at all. Thats just my thinking.

[Analytical]

no bro, your off beat, im not. All your saying is contrary to what your saying. selling? were discoursing here about borrowing to remind you. I'll just leave you questions to make you stay on track.

1. Why would a newbie player can wear best items in game? if you want to help him then help him level up.

2. What's the difference of 1 month play time and 3-5 years playtime?

3. You mentioned op gears for 30 minutes, what for? if u wanna help then just help him clear maps lol

game is good as it is, started from lending nox set in 30 minutes but had not thought of the certain repercussions. I see no point just that newbies getting fed with everything.

P.S i dont give 5k to those pming me in pier.

Glad you are reading now.

1, 3 Lending items does not mean feeding them. Read that again.

I have lend my friend Terror Blade just to try out for a day. And when I want it back he said he is so used to using it he is gonna buy it now. I made him desire for it even more now he knows how useful it is to pull mobs and clear map as a warrior. Guess what? he's a newbie friend I made in game. I lend him gold loot gears so he could farm and now he is rich enough to buy his own gold loot set as well as for his wife. Fact is Nobody is gonna keep lending you the item over and over again. Put it simply, let's not say 3 times but one time for all items in Arlor, that's the limit you can borrow any item. You would want to buy the item cz you can never borrow it again.

Let's not even talk about the borrow system I suggested let's talk about now, do people not borrow items to their friends like myself to help them out? I'm simply suggesting like the OP to make the current situation more convenient and pragmatic not to make it worse.

2. That's a good point there. If I get you correctly you mean instead of playing the game for long they will only play for short time once they get to experience it by borrowing at a much lower cost. Let me ask you this, even without the borrow system, do people still play the game for long hours? No definitely many ppl still chose to quit game. Whose fault is it? I could lend accounts in say marvel super war to my friend and I bet they will play the game long term and not short term. It's not our responsibility to make the game engaging enough to the players to play. It's sts job. The borrowing system only makes things more secure than it currently is

[Analytical]

and I get you, your mentioning that you can only lend to 2 group of people, 1 is those who want for flex only, next is for those who want to buy it in future.

how would you know which person does that belong? and bro why thinking of a fitting room lol you know you solely can wear that and everyone can inspect you. so dont reason that out. the truth is if it's accesible to everyone then it is valued at 0. Common sense only. Im not being harsh okay im being candid.

This is what happens when you mix things up. Initially we were focusing on the convenience of returning borrowed items.

Discussion expanded to two topics now (as shown below) because some are concerned that lending may affect selling.

Topic 1. Lending
Topic 2. Selling

"and I get you, your mentioning that you can only lend to 2 group of people, 1 is those who want for flex only, next is for those who want to buy it in future."
Nope I was referring to Topic 2 --- selling to those that are buyers not borrowers, I'm not sure how hard it is tell the difference between someone wanting to buy an item versus borrowing an item

[leohate123]

+1 to this.