I'll leave this here (controversial)

[umarrahim]

Hey,

I was curious so sent STS a mail asking whether a player is allowed to sell their item for whatever price they deem fit, and here's the reply.

I am not involved in any sort of manipulation, I am not very rich to begin with :3

Just been seeing people accusing others a lot lately over something that doesn't make sense; someone been calling others mentally ill for selling their items for a high price..

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[caabarader]

That's is totally the point...u can put the price that u want for the item like that guy of lepre banner did,i don't see any negative point on that,all know that his auto price is like 2x more than the normal,is just don't buy it...I believe that only fake c/o's are the point of manipulation and shouldn't be tolerated.

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[Saint Jaffo]

I’m not against players selling x item for the price they want. It’s their item, so they can do whatever they want with it. What I see as the problem is when x player (not referring to someone in specific) uses the c/o system to manipulate the price and take the money out of the pocket of someone that is desperate to buy x item.

[Irreflexivo]

Well, even though c/o can be abused, the same concept applies, if it's too expensive, don't buy it.

If you are desperate, you are the one making the mistake by buying. Also, I find it very hard to prove or disprove when someone actually got an offer. I don't think Sts expect us to screenshot everytime we get an offer.

In short, be smart and patient.

[Kakashis]

My view is that people can sell it at whatever price they want. They can list a bunch of fake or real current offers too. If you don't like it or a little interested, just drop your best offer to them. They may or may not sell it to you. Auto is set, and auto is always high!

[Immortal_Blood]

I ALWAYS take advantage of the auction... hahahaha...do it do it do it... <3

[capeo]

I don't like the manipulation but it's just some players strategy. Some are more complicated and it's hard to figure out what the "real" price is. Honestly tho an item is worth what someone is willing to pay. It's always like that. If you buy I at a price that's what it's worth. There is no set value on anything in game out side of plat. So whatever price something sells for that's is the value to someone. If you pay more then someone else it's irrelevant. Also, no item is worth blindly buying. Something else always comes along. If the item is something rare that doesn't come along often then there is no set price. It's worth whatever your willing to pay. Even if someone lies about a c/o if the price is to high move on. By to high I mean more then you want to pay. All these threads complaining are getting old. Fake or real doesn't matter at all.

[snakeeyes]

Scam or not scam that strategy its up to you if you fall for that, your choice, if your rush to buy it so need to sacrifice if you like it so much, but to avoid fall for that kind of scam for example there is a awake gem in cs with a price of 100m you have the care and decision, keep your gold in the stash or make sure of yourself and what you see whether you buy or not.

[umarrahim]

Scam or not scam that strategy its up to you if you fall for that, your choice, if your rush to buy it so need to sacrifice if you like it so much, but to avoid fall for that kind of scam for example there is a awake gem in cs with a price of 100m you have the care and decision, keep your gold in the stash or make sure of yourself and what you see whether you buy or not.Username checks out XD

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[snakeeyes]

Username checks out XD

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About linday said thats right, i always buying an items to cs and and i always check the price, i sell my items cheaper than others to make it sold fast shout/cs but sometimes other player pm me nab (trashtalk) and asking why i sell it cheap because they make the items go up in high price.

[xsilentninjax]

I ALWAYS take advantage of the auction... hahahaha...do it do it do it... <3

sounds like dmthrfkr 2.0

[Mythocrisis]

What is price manipulation then if not changing an item price beyond its worth .
Fake cos are manipulation but setting an auto which is 2x or close with an intent to sell to a hapless victim and making bank is not manipulation ,it's wrong.
What if a person buys an item with set auto for 100m to find it's worth 60m max.so dosent he feel scammed?
Isn't that what you're trying to avoid.
Either the developers have to make strict rules or no rules at all.This confusing wordplay is just screwing the game.
There was a post from developers about manipulating being a banable offense yet noone knows what they can and can't.
Doing such will make someone get banned without knowing a reason since this game is also hard on the ban hammer.
Finally either give stricter rules and CLEAR instructions if u want to ban people.

[Saint Jaffo]

sounds like dmthrfkr 2.0

Sadly there’s already one guy in game that is following his path. Won’t tell his name but it begins with Imper…

[umarrahim]

What is price manipulation then if not changing an item price beyond its worth .
Fake cos are manipulation but setting an auto which is 2x or close with an intent to sell to a hapless victim and making bank is not manipulation ,it's wrong.
What if a person buys an item with set auto for 100m to find it's worth 60m max.so dosent he feel scammed?
Isn't that what you're trying to avoid.
Either the developers have to make strict rules or no rules at all.This confusing wordplay is just screwing the game.
There was a post from developers about manipulating being a banable offense yet noone knows what they can and can't.
Doing such will make someone get banned without knowing a reason since this game is also hard on the ban hammer.
Finally either give stricter rules and CLEAR instructions if u want to ban people.You pay for an item for what u feel it's worth...

Either u buy an item for the seller's auto, or you wait for someone else to sell for cheaper...

It depends on the desperation of the buyer tho, if can't wait pay auto...

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[Mythocrisis]

This works if it's around the price of 10m ,then u auto at 70m .( Which is a stretch)
But about those lb vanities which last sold for 10m and u auto at 800m.
Dont u think that's manipulation since the intent is to sell at around that.
And if he pulls it off and the person feels cheated...isnt it a scam? Huge one at that.
And I'm pretty sure this game bans scammers than any other game.
Thats why I insist on them intervening to solve this issue.

[umarrahim]

This works if it's around the price of 10m ,then u auto at 70m .( Which is a stretch)
But about those lb vanities which last sold for 10m and u auto at 800m.
Dont u think that's manipulation since the intent is to sell at around that.
And if he pulls it off and the person feels cheated...isnt it a scam? Huge one at that.
And I'm pretty sure this game bans scammers than any other game.
Thats why I insist on them intervening to solve this issue.Why would anyone buy at that price unless both parties agree on it.

No one's forcing u to buy at 800m, if the buyer buys then he agreed to it.

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[Lookupnabs]

Why would anyone buy at that price unless both parties agree on it.

No one's forcing u to buy at 800m, if the buyer buys then he agreed to it.

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Ncc man ... seems you can sell at any price ... let me also start your strategy soon ....

Pleae teach me ur techniques tho ...

-FA

[Mythocrisis]

Why would anyone buy at that price unless both parties agree on it.

No one's forcing u to buy at 800m, if the buyer buys then he agreed to it.

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Well that's manipulation .
Don't tell me it had never happened .This kind of scams were common.
And now since the rarity of them has increased its at its most rampant stage.

[kersey]

If I bought a 20m vanity and wants to sell it for 500m, is that manipulation? No. That's my right. I can always sell for the price I deemed fit.

It will only be manipulation if there's an intent to deceive and has involved a series of fake offers or transactions - making the other party believe that it was actually selling for a particular price.

But then again, if you buy a vanity for 500m that was selling for just 20m a week ago - that's called stupid (but still within your rights). [emoji38]

IGN - Ganja

[kersey]

What is price manipulation then if not changing an item price beyond its worth .
Fake cos are manipulation but setting an auto which is 2x or close with an intent to sell to a hapless victim and making bank is not manipulation ,it's wrong.
What if a person buys an item with set auto for 100m to find it's worth 60m max.so dosent he feel scammed?
Isn't that what you're trying to avoid.
Either the developers have to make strict rules or no rules at all.This confusing wordplay is just screwing the game.
There was a post from developers about manipulating being a banable offense yet noone knows what they can and can't.
Doing such will make someone get banned without knowing a reason since this game is also hard on the ban hammer.
Finally either give stricter rules and CLEAR instructions if u want to ban people.Firstly, who dictates how much an item should be priced? Nada. It's really depending on how they see its worth (consider plat price if plat purchased, rarity, aesthetics, etc).

You must make some research (check forums, auction, ask around) first and see if the price of the item you were after is reasonable (subjective) enough for you.

To speak of something as "beyond its worth" is pretty subjective too and you always have a free hand to buy it at that price or not.

Free world. Free market.

IGN - Ganja

[umarrahim]

Ncc man ... seems you can sell at any price ... let me also start your strategy soon ....

Pleae teach me ur techniques tho ...

-FAGo ahead, as seen by the reply from support, you can sell your item at any price.

Selling for a ridiculous price doesn't guarantee you'll be able to sell it.

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[Lookupnabs]

Why would anyone buy at that price unless both parties agree on it.

No one's forcing u to buy at 800m, if the buyer buys then he agreed to it.

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Go ahead, as seen by the reply from support, you can sell your item at any price.

Selling for a ridiculous price doesn't guarantee you'll be able to sell it.

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Sure sure ....

[Switchback]

Props to support for even giving this time from their day.

[Oakmaiden]

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[zeferoth]

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[Mythocrisis]

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So boring yet very generous to type a line on thread .welcome ! Ahaha

[BaronB]

People casually throw words around like "manipulation" and don't always understand what that actually means.

You can choose how much any price is, if its too high chances of it selling is very low if at all.
If you offer a lower price than the general populous then it is likely to sell quickly.

Whichever way you go is absolutely fine and your business, nothing wrong with it, and best of luck.

Simple.

If Person A lists a post about an item for sale and Person B and Person C are making offers on that thread, however, if Person A also then asks his friends/makes alt accounts to put "fake bids" to compete in the bid against person A and Person B.

That is "price manipulation"

It's something that might be frowned upon by those with more of a conscience and honest however it isn't anything necessarily illegal.

Even happens on a massive auction website such as Ebay.com

This sort of thing has been going on since the days before holy scriptures were even written, the best you can do to protect yourselves is educate yourselves as best you can.

Knowledge is power.

Also wise to remember "If there's smoke there's fire", if something seems a little suspect/suspicious just stay away from it and you'll less likely lose out ^.^



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[capeo]

I don't understand why these threads keep popping up. Do you want sts to regulate what you sell and how much you can sell it for?

Even if you buy an item for more then it's worth to someone else guess what, it was obviously worth that price to you. It should be so simple, if you don't like a price don't buy it.....

[Ilove_Poopoo]

@Mythocrisis and to everyone who thinks setting up an auto should be punished.

This game features a free market system where developers can't just interfere and impose price ceilings.

Price manipulation is a broad term, and in this context, it mostly refers to the creation of fraudulent offers. Where It motivates legitimate buyers to raise their bids in order to outbid offers that don't even exist.

Setting up an auto, however, does not constitute price manipulation, no matter how ludicrous it may seem.

Auto prices have been established to give buyers another way to pay without the fuss of bidding or the risk of losing to a competitor.

Auto prices should naturally be higher for the convenience it provides. But that doesn't necessarily define the value of any item.

If a seller wants a specific amount, they'll mark it as "fixed price".

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[Fyrce]

How much do you want to PAY STS to hire additional employees in order to regulate the market? What mandatory fee do you want?

Get it?

Just watch the market. Most items are not that manipulatable. Watch people try it. It is a fun game to watch them buy up all the lower priced items, and for the price to regularize again in a day or so.

For some rare items, sometimes a group of players tries this. Easy solution: Avoid those items.

You have choice. Or are you saying you do not?

[Avaree]

If we all know is over priced and manipulated why buy it? It’s a mercher’s trick to hoard and suddenly say player A bought for xxx (alt) the player A sold to player B (alts buddy) . Or one who owns a high profile vanity receives house mail by a manipulator (yes I still have the letter) giving complete instructions how to manipulates a popular item.

At the end of the day, do I care? No. We can’t take it with us when we go. My advice to all who want to buy a collector piece or a popular item, seek out well known collectors and ask them if they know the value.

[Needle]

If we all know is over priced and manipulated why buy it? It’s a mercher’s trick to hoard and suddenly say player A bought for xxx (alt) the player A sold to player B (alts buddy) . Or one who owns a high profile vanity receives house mail by a manipulator (yes I still have the letter) giving complete instructions how to manipulates a popular item.

At the end of the day, do I care? No. We can’t take it with us when we go. My advice to all who want to buy a collector piece or a popular item, seek out well known collectors and ask them if they know the value.

we all know who this loon boy is. U told me about loonboy in game to stay away from him he is a terrible and bad person.

[Encryptions]

we all know who this loon boy is. U told me about loonboy in game to stay away from him he is a terrible and bad person.Nice to know the people always saying sh1t about me to others. Glad you people enjoy sending me suicide msgs tting me cursing me spamming me 24/7.

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[Needle]

Nice to know the people always saying sh1t about me to others. Glad you people enjoy sending me suicide msgs tting me cursing me spamming me 24/7.

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Brother i say no bad to you. my friends and guild say you are a bad person

[Spooked]

Sure everyone "succesfull" has some haters but at some point im starting to wonder how much is true of what either side says because its hard to believe so incredibly many players seem to hate you for -according to you- no reason

[Encryptions]

Brother i say no bad to you. my friends and guild say you are a bad personNo, its just nice to know the people who enjoy/allow the trash talking about people in their guild chat while saying lies in private messages to force people to be based towards others.

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[Encryptions]

Sure everyone "succesfull" has some haters but at some point im starting to wonder how much is true of what either side says because its hard to believe so incredibly many players seem to hate you for -according to you- no reasonI am also confused. No one can give a legitimate answer other than my mistake with the 2018 mail.
Just don't understand why people don't get over 1 mistake. Its been 3 years.
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[snakeeyes]

Some gamer players now is full of toxicity, 2018 is past we are playing now at 2021 then need to move on, i always read that when a thread issue is manipulates, they attach the name to the encryptions but no one pays attention to them because they are just making fun of themselves.

[Spooked]

I am also confused. No one can give a legitimate answer other than my mistake with the 2018 mail.
Just don't understand why people don't get over 1 mistake. Its been 3 years.
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You pay way too much attention to it, when you finally learn to ignore this behaviour and stop complaining about it only then will it stop.
From their perspective youre giving them every reason to continue.
Everytime you address it or play a victim card they are only motivated to keep it up, reacting is only stimulating.
So what they talk behind your back does that make you any less of a person? Ignore it
Same goes for any other form of toxicity aimed towards you.
Someone trashtalks me? Cool, why should i care?

[Avaree]

we all know who this loon boy is. U told me about loonboy in game to stay away from him he is a terrible and bad person.

If you are going to quote me, and say I spoke with you, best use the words I said. “Price manipulator” and about a letter sent. I never said he is a terrible, bad person. Also idk if I spoke to you or not, as I don’t know anyone by the name of needle.

[Encryptions]

You pay way too much attention to it, when you finally learn to ignore this behaviour and stop complaining about it only then will it stop.
From their perspective youre giving them every reason to continue.I ignore it but it only goes on nonstop. I did not say anything in this thread until people tried to bring me up.
Same with most of the other threads, I don't reply or say anything in them and my name is brought up in a bad manner. Even the threads people made to get people to report my youtube channel / accuse me of making awake gems unaffordable / to tell me to kill my self with a shot gun. That shot gun one made me laugh irl. I only screen shot all of the stuff said.
In game I have a very few select of friends I only talk to or in my guild to assist members with information / questions. If you know me in game you know I don't talk much.
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