Rogue x mage (Gates elite) ( buff dugg bow or nerf skratch gun)

[mklucasjt]

hello space team team, please i can't stand to see rogue and being left behind in elite gates for the simple reason that 3 mages and one war are better than 2 mages 1 rogue and one war in elite gates, the next problem is that the mage is very snorted the team nerfed the dugg bow but on the other hand the gun skratch always proc together with all the mage's proc, as the rogue to do the same she has to have + boss damage than the mage to do the same , I see an error in this or I am wrong or right, please the team review this or someone you think about. The rogue in evg are being left behind if the rogue only stays in the party if they're good p...

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[mklucasjt]

No one to share your opinion?

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[-Rogue-]

Bows suck... I dont care about evg, but at 81 expansion I would like to see bow as strong pvp weapon with same dmg+armor as daggers and with better chances to hit and to proc
Skratch gun is ok, dont need nerf it

[snakeeyes]

+1 buff dug bow proc chance to 100% like dozer axe
-1 pls no to nerf skratch im not a mage user but mage is not strong as warior,
the problem with us as rogue user is that we don't have a shield absorb as strong as the mage and warior

[Stephencobear]

Gun does not “always proc with all the mage proc”
Where did you come up with that?

No need to nerf skratch gun just because someone wants a mage rather than a rogue
Your problem isn’t mage, it’s the mechanics of that one map

[Zevileinstein]

In my opinion, the reason why rogues are being left behind in EVG is not that the skratch gun is overpowered nor the dug bow is underpowered, it is because of the difference in Ults and mechanics of the two classes. Energize is better for the overall team and for faster clearing, while Aimed shot is only a powerful single target ultimate (most of the times you hit the mobs instead of the boss). Additionally, mages are able to survive longer compared to rogues in EVG because mages do not require to be in close proximity with the bosses there to proc their gears, unlike the rogues that do to proc their gears. Lastly, mage shield provides more defense compared to razor shields making them more survivable overall.

Devs should rework or review the skills, gears, masteries, and ultimate of each class again for the upcoming expansion.

[Pickname - Dougim]

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[Switchback]

Its the ultimate. Adding a new ultimate could help.

[KarTik1]

Or just simply tweak skills or add additional skill point in orignal skill each skill will get a new updated upgrade skill .
Like for 6th upgrade adding 10% more sdr to razor and 10% extra elite and boss damage while shield active will solve the problem . And it wont harm anyone in pvo because its is going to be only for pve because of bd and ed .
Same with other classes and all skill just 1 additional upgrade every skill. It will make useless skills usefull too .
Like giving horn of renew 50% ms on 6th slot will make it usefull for real.
Same with other skills lots of possibilities out there by just adding 1 skill upgrade to all skill its same since m playing game additional features are added but not a single original skill upgrade .
And please dont count masteries in them because that is a seprate sec.


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[KarTik1]

Or just simply tweak skills or add additional skill point in orignal skill each skill will get a new updated upgrade skill .
Like for 6th upgrade adding 10% more sdr to razor and 10% extra elite and boss damage while shield active will solve the problem . And it wont harm anyone in pvo because its is going to be only for pve because of bd and ed .
Same with other classes and all skill just 1 additional upgrade every skill. It will make useless skills usefull too .
Like giving horn of renew 50% ms on 6th slot will make it usefull for real.
Same with other skills lots of possibilities out there by just adding 1 skill upgrade to all skill its same since m playing game additional features are added but not a single original skill upgrade .
And please dont count masteries in them because that is a seprate sec.


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I dint meant horn of renew lol it was for that another skill i forgot name of xd


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[Potofgreed]

all bows have bad frame data when compared to skratch gun.

the start up, and recovery of all bows is bad.

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[Naaabmage]

Or maybe rogues just need stop complaining and get better gears better pets then maybe u will get invited to some parties rather than try to nerf a class what many called a support class for many years...what happened rogues? U mad cus this isnt rogue legends anymore? Pretty sad trying to get mages nerfed cus ur not the superior class in evg....get better gears pets n learn to be a better rogue...and maybe u will get that one invite a day

[darkestfaire]

Or maybe rogues just need stop complaining and get better gears better pets then maybe u will get invited to some parties rather than try to nerf a class what many called a support class for many years...what happened rogues? U mad cus this isnt rogue legends anymore? Pretty sad trying to get mages nerfed cus ur not the superior class in evg....get better gears pets n learn to be a better rogue...and maybe u will get that one invite a daySalty much?

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[Naaabmage]

Salty much?

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How am I salty? I'm a mage that runs evg with ease I have bd set and int set gg not like i have crap gear.....sounds to me like rogues are salty cus they nvr get invited

[KarTik1]

Or maybe rogues just need stop complaining and get better gears better pets then maybe u will get invited to some parties rather than try to nerf a class what many called a support class for many years...what happened rogues? U mad cus this isnt rogue legends anymore? Pretty sad trying to get mages nerfed cus ur not the superior class in evg....get better gears pets n learn to be a better rogue...and maybe u will get that one invite a day

Lol bro dont go that far cool down i am a tank and i dont prefer 3 mage pt cause of 1 decent rouge is still better then extra mage .
Cause a single rouge can take down spider fast then mages under mages ulti .
I prefer to have two mages and 1 rouge. Or even happy with two rouges and one mage if my rouges are op .
Cause i can alternate my ulti with mage ulti every wave and i take almost 70% hp of both spiders or most of the time kill one of them and 20-30% damage to boss hp while have my ulti turn .
If the mage m playing with is my friend and we have good cordination only then i prefer 2 rouges xd.


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[Naaabmage]

Lol bro dont go that far cool down i am a tank and i dont prefer 3 mage pt cause of 1 decent rouge is still better then extra mage .
Cause a single rouge can take down spider fast then mages under mages ulti .
I prefer to have two mages and 1 rouge. Or even happy with two rouges and one mage if my rouges are op .
Cause i can alternate my ulti with mage ulti every wave and i take almost 70% hp of both spiders or most of the time kill one of them and 20-30% damage to boss hp while have my ulti turn .
If the mage m playing with is my friend and we have good cordination only then i prefer 2 rouges xd.


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I have always said to my friends one rogue is good...they just need to be properly geared up like everyone else it's all good

[Encryptions]

You do know some rogues can solo up to wave 35-40 in evg right?

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[Naaabmage]

You do know some rogues can solo up to wave 35-40 in evg right?

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Who was this intended for? Idk n Idc lol but why are u talking about solo evg this discussion is about rogues being left out of GROUP evg parties we not talking solo bud....I happen to know a few of them rogues on evg solo lb so no shiii rogues can solo 30waves+ I think everyone knows this

[Naaabmage]

You mad bro?

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Mad about wat "bro" I'm not a rogue moaning about not gettin in evg parties lol...anyways ur waste of my time coming at me with a "you mad bro".... lmao

[Encryptions]

Mad about wat "bro" I'm not a rogue moaning about not gettin in evg parties lol...anyways ur waste of my time coming at me with a "you mad bro".... lmaoThen why go at me? You are against mages being nerfed right? Also remember when you told people that I was a scammer; Im waiting on the proof.

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[Deathlyreaper]

Don’t nerf skratch gun.

But i wouldn’t mind a buff on dugg bow proc tbh. I tested with my friends and found out how inferior it is compared to gun.

First, there is less damage ticks than gun (around 3-4 less than gun i think)
Also, the damage is REALLY bad compared to gun.

To put it in perspective, I matched my mage friend’s damage and bd/ed. We were off by +/-100dmg. I forget the exact numbers of our damages but I remember being shocked that it took a duggar dagger proc buff or the sunken armor proc for my damage per tick to match my mage friend’s damage per tick

Think about how crazy that is, not only does the bow do less ticks per proc, but each tick damage is significantly lower than gun, to the point that I needed a damage boost from another weapon/armor just to match what my mage friend could do in his base damage. Keep in mind that even with a dagger proc/armor proc, i’m still doing less damage because the bow has less ticks per proc.

It honestly might be too late to ask for a buff on this wep (I wish i found out about this difference sooner). But if there’s a chance at all, increasing the bow’s number of ticks to match the gun or increasing the damage per tick would be nice :).


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[umarrahim]

I am just saying Rogues don't use bow, and they their Dugg Dagg with Ebon Daggs...

I don't see many Mages using Ebon Weapons...

If Bow gets buffed, rogues will have 3 good procs to use, while Mages will still be left at 2...

Peace..

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[the oldy returns]

Not much will agree on the nerf as most rogues already changed class either to war or mage now! LOL I know a number of rogues who did this or even quit because of this imbalance or maybe bias after investing expensive Rogues gears e.g. jewels far more expensive that fury or mind.

The map itself EVG heavily relies on War so if the war is not that skilled or properly geared a lot of mobs are left usually thus, which support they need (mage or rog) may also depend on their playing style which admittedly mostly needs the ULTI of mages. Also, a lot of careless rogues in using their pierce and die early.

No need to nerf rifle but the proc of dug bow SHOULD be improved, maybe too late now but hopefully the developers will take this to account in the expansion. Also, I would love to see an ATTACK SPEED skill for rogues and/or awake or gears similar to the marksman of other games. 2cents

[Deathlyreaper]

I am just saying Rogues don't use bow, and they their Dugg Dagg with Ebon Daggs...

I don't see many Mages using Ebon Weapons...

If Bow gets buffed, rogues will have 3 good procs to use, while Mages will still be left at 2...

Peace..

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Mages have 2 reliable armor procs (which are so op) while rogues have 1 useful one. I think a buff on the wep would start to balance it out


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[Advocacies]

Energizer go brrrrrrrrt

[namansharma99910]

No more nerfing please .


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[mklucasjt]

Mages have 2 reliable armor procs (which are so op) while rogues have 1 useful one. I think a buff on the wep would start to balance it out


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[snakeeyes]

Mages have 2 reliable armor procs (which are so op) while rogues have 1 useful one. I think a buff on the wep would start to balance it out


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Lol why only mage?
Warrior-4 and also100% proc chance so all can proc the same time after switching
Mage-3 hard to proc all of 3 together need to use energize to proc all
Rogue-2 much harder to proc all 2 together.

[mklucasjt]

Lol why only mage?
Warrior-4 and also100% proc chance so all can proc the same time after switching
Mage-3 hard to proc all of 3 together need to use energize to proc all
Rogue-2 much harder to proc all 2 together.war if not 100%axe proc we would suffer in the farm because skull aegis is horrible for proc without ax not proc so fast only in evg so that aegis proc easy, in deep war for proc we all have to use up to magma.

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[Saint_remember]

depending on who rides the warrior.
I always run with 2 rog.
but I don't care



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[Undershooting]

Who was this intended for? Idk n Idc lol but why are u talking about solo evg this discussion is about rogues being left out of GROUP evg parties we not talking solo bud....I happen to know a few of them rogues on evg solo lb so no shiii rogues can solo 30waves+ I think everyone knows this

I mean if rogues can solo upto wave 35-40, I’m pretty sure in group lb with extra 3 players support they could easily get higher waves than that

[Xtremez]

Lol why only mage?
Warrior-4 and also100% proc chance so all can proc the same time after switching
Mage-3 hard to proc all of 3 together need to use energize to proc all
Rogue-2 much harder to proc all 2 together.

Well also consider that the damage you could deal with multiple gear procs on warrior is similar in amount to the damage you could deal as a rogue or even mage with just your main proc, without the other gears....

[Shake]

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[snakeeyes]

Damage dealer
1. Warior with ulti is equal/much better compare to rogue against boss
2. Warior with all stack proc is equal to mage against mobs
Armor/Survival
Warior can solo all map fast run with complete gear but rogue/mage can't do that. For example mauso 1-6 rogue or mage cannot run there without farming deaths.
Not saying this to nerf warior proc, im saying this to buffs the 2 class survivability to run faster and not to farm deaths to all map too.

[KarTik1]

After reading the whole discussion i can only say that they balanced wars by giving us damage procs so we can compare to other classes in damage output in pve. But they didnt buffed the defense for rouge and mages to compare with us in elite pve . But at the same time they biffed them bu releasing armor mitigation and armor aa pets .
I think max armor is given by any pet is 500 from lancelot as hb and a wolf pet which gives 15% armor bonous but with other hb except that is not good . By releasing new pet which can balance armor as aa to rouges and mages in pve diff and pvp diff can balance things out when it comes to their survival.
And about wepon procs idk much as i can say that when you consider wepons proc you should also look for skill damage output.
I dont think there is a single skill still which deals higher damage then aimed shot and had the lowest cd of them all .
I am a tank and i love 1 tank 1 rouge 2 mages pt over 3 mages cause rouge kills 1 spider so fast alone with mage ulti while other spider can be taken down by two mages at the same time which secure wave very fast .
Tanks who run low wave run like 30-40 prefer 3 mage cause its eassy to run with them but after that . You need high dps to kill spider fast at wave 60-70 to survive.
If dps dont kill spiders on time tank will die if they bite him at same time so its better to have 1 rouge.


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[Alome]

Idk why people complain about the dug bow proc...idk the exact numbers but a "charged atk" using dug bow has at least 50% chance to proc.
....3-4 charged atk on dug bow+Ur usual Rog combo basically guarantees Sunk arm+Dug Dag proc...
Also you can stack 2-4 dug bow procs at once...with the dug dag+sunk arm buff...that damage amounts to a lot...
Comparing to the skr gun proc, you can barely stack 2...that it with the prereq of recharge ult.

Admittedly, Rogues have a difficult time on evg since diving on the spiders and the boss is needed to dish out damage (compared to the always long range mage), especially with a War who doesn't know how to posture and agro properly, it is still fine and is completely unrelated to the dug bow and skr gun proc differences. Anyways, changing classes is always an option.

[-Rogue-]

....3-4 charged atk on dug bow+Ur usual Rog combo basically guarantees Sunk arm+Dug Dag proc...
Also you can stack 2-4 dug bow procs at once...with the dug dag+sunk arm buff...that damage amounts to a lot...
Comparing to the skr gun proc, you can barely stack 2...that it with the prereq of recharge ult.



Check how bows and guns works with %haste (for example mage's ulti), 65% haste... It increasing bows attacks maybe for 10%-20% speed because lazy devs can't rework useless bows and adapt bows for %haste. Bows animation of attack (before arrow fly) doesnt affected by %haste, its why bows suck; guns (and all other weapons) works fine with %haste. 3-4 charged attacks by bow? Are you serious? those 3-4 charged attacks probably will take same time as warrior+mage clean whole wave haha (except boss)

[Teoekeri]

You can ask to buff bow and many will agree with you ,, but why nerf gun?

You want to replace 3 mages with 3 rouges?

Or better nerf all and no one can do evg?

Or better to not nerf other and just buff rouge so all can become more usefull?

[Naaabmage]

Don’t nerf skratch gun.

But i wouldn’t mind a buff on dugg bow proc tbh. I tested with my friends and found out how inferior it is compared to gun.

First, there is less damage ticks than gun (around 3-4 less than gun i think)
Also, the damage is REALLY bad compared to gun.

To put it in perspective, I matched my mage friend’s damage and bd/ed. We were off by +/-100dmg. I forget the exact numbers of our damages but I remember being shocked that it took a duggar dagger proc buff or the sunken armor proc for my damage per tick to match my mage friend’s damage per tick

Think about how crazy that is, not only does the bow do less ticks per proc, but each tick damage is significantly lower than gun, to the point that I needed a damage boost from another weapon/armor just to match what my mage friend could do in his base damage. Keep in mind that even with a dagger proc/armor proc, i’m still doing less damage because the bow has less ticks per proc.

It honestly might be too late to ask for a buff on this wep (I wish i found out about this difference sooner). But if there’s a chance at all, increasing the bow’s number of ticks to match the gun or increasing the damage per tick would be nice :).


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Agreed....no need to nerf the gun...buffing the bow would help rogues tho

+1

[Deathlyreaper]

Idk why people complain about the dug bow proc...idk the exact numbers but a "charged atk" using dug bow has at least 50% chance to proc.
....3-4 charged atk on dug bow+Ur usual Rog combo basically guarantees Sunk arm+Dug Dag proc...
Also you can stack 2-4 dug bow procs at once...with the dug dag+sunk arm buff...that damage amounts to a lot...
Comparing to the skr gun proc, you can barely stack 2...that it with the prereq of recharge ult.

Admittedly, Rogues have a difficult time on evg since diving on the spiders and the boss is needed to dish out damage (compared to the always long range mage), especially with a War who doesn't know how to posture and agro properly, it is still fine and is completely unrelated to the dug bow and skr gun proc differences. Anyways, changing classes is always an option.

i’m curious where ur getting the 50% chance to proc on charged attack bc tbh it feels way less than that.

3-4 charged attack? by that time the mages would have cleared spiders.

Requiring 2-4 stacks on bow for it to be considered op is not as good as u think it is

Correct me if i’m wrong but i’m pretty sure gun also has a chance to proc on several targets while bow doesn’t. Bow is straight up inferior compared to gun. Less ticks, less damage per tick, and %haste barely affects it.


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[Omgrich19]

Lol skra gun is balanced no nerf


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