The Rogue Problem

[Synergia]

Hey, I wanted to bring something up, since we are getting closer to level 81 cap.
Since AL was started, one class was always considered weak.
I think that each class should be balanced.
for example, in the valley expansion, mages damage combined with all their procs are dealing way more damage than rog's damage (in a single target damage)

Warriors are just dominating in mobs, as a guy who play all classes, I think we can all agree that rogues were left behind in the past year or two.

Why?
I believe there are 2 main reasons:

1) Skratch gun is insane, compare to rogue duggar bow which does realy low damage.
both rogues/mage are DPS characters, they shouldnt have the same procs I agree but they have very similar procs but with huge damage difference (gun/bow)

2) Rogues got kinda weak ultimates, compare to warrior ultimate or mage ultimate, which I like to call a "game changing" ultimate. did you see the amount of time it takes to clear a hard wave of EVG with mage/war ultimate compare to without? (well, this big bow ult is ok, not OP as 6x STR/65% haste for all the team)

I think that STS should do anything they can to make balance between the 3 classes.

The most played map during the last 2 years, is as you probably guessed before is EVG.
So when 1 class out of the 3 is having a real hardtime to find a party for this map, you can tell that something is wrong.
its either the 2 other classes are OP compare to it, or the class is just not good.

An other thing I wanted to mention:
I have been playing tons mage in the past 4 months, and if you didn't know, mage with all procs combined can do millions of damage. How? I had 110bd, I proc skratch staff + ebon armor then I change to skratch gun. Each skratch gun proc inflict like 10-15 ticks of damage and with all procs combined, it does 160-220k per TICK. Procs stops in the middle but the total damage is always millions.

we have 2 DPS characters in this game- Rogues and Mages.
I think that each of them should be equaly good with the upcoming expansion.



So in conclusion,
I wanted to bring this up and maby a developer will see it.
I believe that EVG and the new upcoming maps will be played alot, and I don't wanna see any class left behind, not being able to find a party

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that rogue is a bad class, I am only bringing this topic in the first place because rogue is under performing in the most played map in the game, which is very important for all the farmers gold income.

NOTE-
After seeing many of the opposing comments here I wanna ask if anyone got a better arguement than just saying "rogue used to dominate everywhere now they deserve to be left behind" cause this is just childish.

P.S Sorry if my english was not good enough, I tried my best :p

[Uereazagr]

Idk about rog being weak bro, my rogs always deal consistent and good damage.Yes, they can’t kill spider with one bow shot, like mages do, but double proc for mages is pretty rare, and duggar daggers proc all the time...Also I didn’t really see that rogs are having hard time finding a pt, maybe it’s about your power level, not a class?

[Irg]

Rogue is pvp & speedrun & event
Mage is pve
Warrior is good all around (which is a little broken imo)

You probably say rogue is weak because u dont run speedrun or pvp
Theres no way to satisfy everyone, but i do agree with buffing dugg bow atleast

[Mehdikillerd]

You say rogues are weak but when i see lb mages always take the 3rd place in every event also evg keep in mind rogues have insane crit and dodge which isnt comparable

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[Encryptions]

Bows can use a buff, at the moment I would say ebon bow is better than dug bow. Dug bow's proc doesn't even last long enough for you to combo it with dug dags so it makes it completely useless.

[Andi wibowo]

I play both mage and rogue.
I think they are already good. Rogue have consistent dmg. While mage have more dmg but hard to proc without haste(their ult).

[profmsb]

i m sure..nothing will chnge...n same here..play all classess n all that i have tried all type of arc 76 weap n gear...

mage still a balance class...they best to clean mob..n fairly fast as rog kill the boss

war the oppest as when sts dsign/buff the proc of the war in during introduction of lvl 76,they have litterally all class specific role in one class..they best to kill mob,fairly kill boss n best to survive lvl 76 map as the map being scale to hardest type

rog purposely to best in killing boss but slow/fairly clean multiple target(mob) and low but since lvlp 76 map,they buff the mob to scale the war proc..this make the mob kinda boss lvl...so that why rog struggle as it kinda need to kill multiple mob that been like multiple boss

ofcourse this opinion doesnt apply to 1% oppest rog/mage as they can catch up to op.war..but still cant beat 1% opppest war


#Just my 2cent opinion and whatever it is..i m kinda lucky to have fairly decent gear..so not affected much compare to new n average player.Ty

[THE GOLDEN KING]

Maybe increase that 1 shot ultimate, by adding 3 taps instead of one? But sure buff the bow that will be nerfed in next expansion with all other level 76 arcanes.


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[Skeleton Mike]

i think that mages are better against bosses just cuz of skratch gun lowering armor while also doing big time damage plus their support ultimate energize.
rogues dont fire bows faster with energize too so thats -1 point to rogues

but as level cap raises rogues also get more stronger in a way, putting points in dex increases dodge and crit chance by a % warriors and mages dont have that so thats +1 point to rogues

rogues ultimates are bad exept for big arrow because it does the role of rogue of being single target big damage
whats rogue support ultimate? speed and 0 mana cost which is bad at end game all people use speed set and auto potions. maybe it should be higher crit chance or dodge to all idk -1 point to rogue

but anyways warriors are better than rogue and mage in all ways lol they heal better than mage , they kill enemies and bosses faster without risk of dying and skills are better too, they have reduce armor axe throws, reduce incoming damage skill, increase armor and speed skill and then ultimates xd

[Pickname - Dougim]

+1

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[Lawpvp]

You say rogues are weak but when i see lb mages always take the 3rd place in every event also evg keep in mind rogues have insane crit and dodge which isnt comparable

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rogue is the most played class, so it's always #1 in events

[iandalican10]

+1

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[Synergia]

Maybe increase that 1 shot ultimate, by adding 3 taps instead of one? But sure buff the bow that will be nerfed in next expansion with all other level 76 arcanes.


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I realy liked this idea..
Let's say 3 taps for the rogue ultimate with a little bit less damage per shot, I think that will work well. Also you can split your damage on different targets instead of 1 shotting a boss in some cases and make ur team rage cause of gold rip lol

[capeo]

I can tell how long these people played. I spent YEARS seeing all dps parties. Years with wars not being in parties because they are slow and can't do damage quickly. I have absolutely zero sympathy for any one crying now. Even at 71 we reflected damage and that takes time. I honestly don't care if your struggling now, welcome to the game I played for 5 years.

All sts has to do is change the way procs stack and wars are back to being close to useless in pve. Honestly the only time wars are in speed runs now is when they are being carried. We have to stop and wait to target and hit something. By then the rest of the party is long gone. I'm hoping it's another couple years where wars are useful.

[Read]

Beautifully said.

+1 Synergia

[sanya]

1) Skratch gun is insane, compare to rogue duggar bow which does realy low damage.
both rogues/mage are DPS characters, they shouldnt have the same procs I agree but they have very similar procs but with huge damage difference (gun/bow)

2) Rogues got kinda weak ultimates, compare to warrior ultimate or mage ultimate, which I like to call a "game changing" ultimate. did you see the amount of time it takes to clear a hard wave of EVG with mage/war ultimate compare to without? (well, this big bow ult is ok, not OP as 6x STR/65% haste for all the team)


1) If compare duggar bow to skratch gun, you forgot to mention:
- bows almost doesnt get affected by %haste (with energize: attack speed of bow increased maybe for 20%, while gun attack speed increased in 2 times)
- bow has only 1 target, skratch gun has 2 or 3 targets (normal/charged attacks)
- skratch gun has debuffs in addition to DoT, bow only DoT
- as pvp weapon duggar bow... nobody use it lol, no need explain why... no armor in stats, lower dmg, nothing in this proc...

Duggar bow is useless weapon among with ebon/dread bows

2) rogue aimedshot ultimate would be ok if we had way to get gold from bosses (if we had time to switch to gold loot set)... i think would be great if there chest after every boss (evg/dm and other maps) instead golds from boss

[Mehdikillerd]

1) If compare duggar bow to skratch gun, you forgot to mention:
- bows almost doesnt get affected by %haste (with energize: attack speed of bow increased maybe for 20%, while gun attack speed increased in 2 times)
- bow has only 1 target, skratch gun has 2 or 3 targets (normal/charged attacks)
- skratch gun has debuffs in addition to DoT, bow only DoT
- as pvp weapon duggar bow... nobody use it lol, no need explain why... no armor in stats, lower dmg, nothing in this proc...

Duggar bow is useless weapon among with ebon/dread bows

2) rogue aimedshot ultimate would be ok if we had way to get gold from bosses (if we had time to switch to gold loot set)... i think would be great if there chest after every boss (evg/dm and other maps) instead golds from bossAll of this seems unfair but the devs arent dumb they made these decisions for a reason they already know more then us which means for them the rogue class is balanced, for us its not but you cant satisfy everyone you know

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[Synergia]

I can tell how long these people played. I spent YEARS seeing all dps parties. Years with wars not being in parties because they are slow and can't do damage quickly. I have absolutely zero sympathy for any one crying now. Even at 71 we reflected damage and that takes time. I honestly don't care if your struggling now, welcome to the game I played for 5 years.

All sts has to do is change the way procs stack and wars are back to being close to useless in pve. Honestly the only time wars are in speed runs now is when they are being carried. We have to stop and wait to target and hit something. By then the rest of the party is long gone. I'm hoping it's another couple years where wars are useful.

No body is crying, I am saying that as of today 1 class is having hardtime to find a party, and in previous years I did complain that mage/wars needs to get a buff. I am playing all of the 3 classes, its not me crying that my main class is bad, its me, trying to make sure that from now on we will have as much as equaly balanced characters, where each of the different 3 classes can fill his role in any possible map under no circumstances.

[Irg]

People always greedly ask for more for the class they play the most.
Mage and warrior only picked up the pase after m6 released,
those people say rogue is weak in any sense is absurd
Rogues dominates event lb, speedrun lb, pvp eversince they were introduced
You cant expect a class dominates everything in existence, just like how they
were before, 90% of all players go rogue, is that what you want?

Rogues holds a solid place in this game and forever will, they are fine as it is

[Mehdikillerd]

People always want for more for the class they play the most.
Mage and warrior only picked up the pase after m6 released,
those people say rogue is weak in any sense is absurd
Rogues dominates event lb, speedrun lb, pvp eversince they were introduced
You cant expect a class dominates everything in existence, just like how they
were before, 90% of all players go rogue, is that what you want?

Rogues holds a solid place in this game and forever will, they are fine as it isTrue we dont want "rogue legends" again

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[Synergia]

True we dont want "rogue legends" again

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I don't get it, can you guys read?
Nobody asked rogues to be OP compare to other classes.
that "rogue legends" thing was in a time that rogue was way better than other classes.

now instead of calling for balance between all classes, you wanna keep the rogues behind.
the hypocrisy of you people is unreal.
I guess that you are one of the people that asked warrior/mages to get a buff before (which is fine since rogues truely was OP back then) but when its the other way around you say nah, keep them out of EVG / new maps, their class used to be OP so they don't deserve to be good.
what a hypocrite

[Irg]

I don't get it, can you guys read?
Nobody asked rogues to be OP compare to other classes.
that "rogue legends" thing was in a time that rogue was way better than other classes.

now instead of calling for balance between all classes, you wanna keep the rogues behind.
the hypocrisy of you people is unreal.
I guess that you are one of the people that asked warrior/mages to get a buff before (which is fine since rogues truely was OP back then) but when its the other way around you say nah, keep them out of EVG / new maps, their class used to be OP so they don't deserve to be good.
what a hypocrite

Im bet 3bag of chips u playing rogue rn yourself
Even when its "rogue legend" time rogue player still wanted to buff rogue (buff trap and razor shield etc)

Theres no way to satisfy everyone, and as i said, rogue is slightly weaker in pve, but dominating in
almost every aspect, pick ur play style
Hypocrite.. heh

[capeo]

Yes I'm saying I don't care if rogues need help in one map but dominate every other map. I'm hoping we need all 3 classes in the expansion.

Don't worry as rogues power up at the next cap I'm sure you will nuke the waves in 4 rogue parties through wave 1000000000000000000000.

[Mehdikillerd]

I don't get it, can you guys read?
Nobody asked rogues to be OP compare to other classes.
that "rogue legends" thing was in a time that rogue was way better than other classes.

now instead of calling for balance between all classes, you wanna keep the rogues behind.
the hypocrisy of you people is unreal.
I guess that you are one of the people that asked warrior/mages to get a buff before (which is fine since rogues truely was OP back then) but when its the other way around you say nah, keep them out of EVG / new maps, their class used to be OP so they don't deserve to be good.
what a hypocriteI actually have all 3 classes lvl 76 and i still play rog mostly they are already op giving them more isnt balanced and we players wont understand more then the devs themself leave it like this, i bet also in expansion players will be complaining again it doesnt end and we wont understand better then the creators themself

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[fikrialithaufik]

Imo,
Rogue was the specialist class for the old arcane legend, before 'proc' gear is released.
Rogue was the best damage dealer, and it makes sense, because its hp and armor are pretty low.
Rogue was the best damage dealer,
Mage was the best aoe damage dealer,
And warrior was the best tank.

Everything changed after Ultimate and Proc gear released.

Now, mage and warrior are the best damage dealer, for both bosses and mobs.
And rogue not even better with warrior and mage.
The class is not make sense and not even original anymore


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[Willl]

Classes are balanced. Some are strong in few maps, some in others

Don t worry, everything will change in new expansion with new items and procs

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[Naaabmage]

Hey, I wanted to bring something up, since we are getting closer to level 81 cap.
Since AL was started, one class was always considered weak.
I think that each class should be balanced.
for example, in the valley expansion, mages damage combined with all their procs are dealing way more damage than rog's damage (in a single target damage)

Warriors are just dominating in mobs, as a guy who play all classes, I think we can all agree that rogues were left behind in the past year or two.

Why?
I believe there are 2 main reasons:

1) Skratch gun is insane, compare to rogue duggar bow which does realy low damage.
both rogues/mage are DPS characters, they shouldnt have the same procs I agree but they have very similar procs but with huge damage difference (gun/bow)

2) Rogues got kinda weak ultimates, compare to warrior ultimate or mage ultimate, which I like to call a "game changing" ultimate. did you see the amount of time it takes to clear a hard wave of EVG with mage/war ultimate compare to without? (well, this big bow ult is ok, not OP as 6x STR/65% haste for all the team)

I think that STS should do anything they can to make balance between the 3 classes.

The most played map during the last 2 years, is as you probably guessed before is EVG.
So when 1 class out of the 3 is having a real hardtime to find a party for this map, you can tell that something is wrong.
its either the 2 other classes are OP compare to it, or the class is just not good.

we have 2 DPS characters in this game- Rogues and Mages.
I think that each of them should be equaly good with the upcoming expansion.


So in conclusion,
I wanted to bring this up and maby a developer will see it.
I believe that EVG and the new upcoming maps will be played alot, and I don't wanna see any class left behind, not being able to find a party


NOTE-
Since some people think I made this thread only because I play rogue I want to add my answer that I gave to the guy who said he can't hear the "crying":

No body is crying, I am saying that as of today 1 class is having hardtime to find a party, and in previous years I did complain that mage/wars needs to get a buff. I am playing all of the 3 classes, its not me crying that my main class is bad, its me, trying to make sure that from now on we will have as much as equaly balanced characters, where each of the different 3 classes can fill his role in any possible map under no circumstances.

P.S Sorry if my english was not good enough, I tried my best :p

Rogues left behind for only a year or two? Oh boohoo cry me a river jesus how long was wars avoided in pve maps? Alot longer than 1 year lol...ppl call mages support class for years now rogue isnt superior anymore? U say u play 3 classes but ur a rogue at heart now stop asking for rogue buff...let the mages and wars shine for some years u just got mad cus rogues arent super op anymore....wdf is this...after one year of not being the op class u want another 5 years of rogue legends? Sad

[Aldous]

If there's anything to be blamed as to why we rogues are always left behind in EVG, it's the map design. Apparently, this map only caters classes with skills that offer survivability which is basically non-existent if you're a rogue. Our ultimates are way too inferior than that of mages and warriors aswell, which could be the reason why we are less preferred.

+1 to buff rogue ultimates
+1 to buff duggar bow

-1 to incredibly biased map designs like EVG. I hope this thing is taken into consideration in upcoming expansion.

[Irg]

Most rogue main say yes to buff (understandable)
Other ppl disagree as they aren't emotionally attached
and speak without bias (also understandable)

Thats as useful this type of buffing nerfing threads gona get

[Aldous]

People always greedly ask for more for the class they play the most.
Mage and warrior only picked up the pase after m6 released,
those people say rogue is weak in any sense is absurd
Rogues dominates event lb, speedrun lb, pvp eversince they were introduced
You cant expect a class dominates everything in existence, just like how they
were before, 90% of all players go rogue, is that what you want?

Rogues holds a solid place in this game and forever will, they are fine as it is

The OP didn't even ask for total rogue domination. Lol. What we need is balance...where all three classes are actually put to use and are equally efficient, is it really that hard to understand?

To those who claim that they play all 3 classes blah blah blah, then you SHOULD be able to see how rogue weapons and ultimates are inferior compared to that of mages and warriors, anyone who says otherwise is just full of bs.

Depriving us the ability to survive and be efficient just because we have been dominating maps for years is such a petty reason and is simply unjust.

[Mehdikillerd]

If there's anything to be blamed as to why we rogues are always left behind in EVG, it's the map design. Apparently, this map only caters classes with skills that offer survivability which is basically non-existent if you're a rogue. Our ultimates are way too inferior than that of mages and warriors aswell, which could be the reason why we are less preferred.

+1 to buff rogue ultimates
+1 to buff duggar bow

-1 to incredibly biased map designs like EVG. I hope this thing is taken into consideration in upcoming expansion.+1 to instant kill bosses for ultimate

+1 to 10000%crit chance for bow

This is how you balance a rogue that does more damage then any class with insane dodge and crit

Actually if you remove the ability to proc stack from war and mages they would be useless again




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[Aldous]

+1 to instant kill bosses for ultimate

+1 to 10000%crit chance for bow

This is how you balance a rogue that does more damage then any class with insane dodge and crit

Actually if you remove the ability to proc stack from war and mages they would be useless again




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Why do you keep on pushing that crit and dodge thing? smh, if you really play a rogue then you should know that crit and dodge offers very little to no help at all in maps like EVG. Get a better argument.

[Mehdikillerd]

Why do you keep on pushing that crit and dodge thing? smh, if you really play a rogue then you should know that crit and dodge offers very little to no help at all in maps like EVG. Get a better argument.Im telling you there is nothing to buff for rogue really the map design is what makes rogue left behind because enemies are together all the time, its like any new meta of any game that doesnt mean rogues arent strong it means rogues arent great with the new map so why buff a class that its not suppose to get buffed,also i guarentee you if you buff somehow the bow to become way stronger or giving that ulti more power you would be seeing 4 rogues clearing deep marsh everyday including the boss dmg awakening,which sounds balanced for some people yeah sure
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[KarTik1]

Do you guys read the next expansion boss .
I think rouges ultimate will be the only option to kill that boss .
Cause boss will block potions when he will be at 10% hp
And only rouge ulti can take him down at that time.
Cause without auto pots even tanks cant take so much damage .
I can see 1tank 1 mage 2 rouges in next expansion for that boss.


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[kulldeepboro]

Do you guys read the next expansion boss .
I think rouges ultimate will be the only option to kill that boss .
Cause boss will block potions when he will be at 10% hp
And only rouge ulti can take him down at that time.
Cause without auto pots even tanks cant take so much damage .
I can see 1tank 1 mage 2 rouges in next expansion for that boss.


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well said my g . now people can stop arguing about its buff or nerf. some people will get what they want and others have to wait till next 2 years maybe XD.

[Synergia]

Rogues left behind for only a year or two? Oh boohoo cry me a river jesus how long was wars avoided in pve maps? Alot longer than 1 year lol...ppl call mages support class for years now rogue isnt superior anymore? U say u play 3 classes but ur a rogue at heart now stop asking for rogue buff...let the mages and wars shine for some years u just got mad cus rogues arent super op anymore....wdf is this...after one year of not being the op class u want another 5 years of rogue legends? Sad

Do you know how to read?
You have no idea what you are saying and that's hilarious.
first, don't tell people what to ask and what not to ask. people will bring up their thoughts into this forum, this is why it was created, among other things. if you can't accept other people opinions, go drink some cold water to calm your anger kid.
As I said before, when rogue was broken I asked on the forum more than once for balance that the warrior and the mages deserved.
now I will do it again for rogue.
I never said rogue is trash, rogue is just underperforming in the most played map in the game.
this is the truth if you can't accept it, go play minecraft

[KarTik1]

Do you know how to read?
You have no idea what you are saying and that's hilarious.
first, don't tell people what to ask and what not to ask. people will bring up their thoughts into this forum, this is why it was created, among other things. if you can't accept other people opinions, go drink some cold water to calm your anger kid.
As I said before, when rogue was broken I asked on the forum more than once for balance that the warrior and the mages deserved.
now I will do it again for rogue.
I never said rogue is trash, rogue is just underperforming in the most played map in the game.
this is the truth if you can't accept it, go play minecraft

Bro i want to add something
Rouges are still decent in pve just people ignore them i dont know why.
I love having 1 rouge 2 mages in pt cause it clean up spiders fast .
Rouges aim shot rains with mages ulti is better then mage skills cause of rouges crit .
And when you saying that warriors are too op and all but how many tank party out there running with 4 tanks in any map. Even when we are at top rn.
Cause we cant .
I think you are a old player too and if you remember most of the maps and lbs were obtained by rouges till expansion 76 and rouges used to run in 4 rouges party back then cause they had enough armor and damage .
And dm and evg have miner diff in gold drop when it comes to gold/hour.
And i think there 4 rouges are still best party to farm much faster then any other class.
And yes for future i think they should balance every class .
Rouges dosent lack in damage department i think what need buff is razor shield.
Tank has jugg
Mages have shield
And rougs have razor which is not that good when compare to other class defense skill.


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[Irg]

You dont get it? This thread does not allow opposing comments
You are not welcomed here, only rogue player that want a buff without questions asked,
and they sure as heck will not reason with u

[Aldous]

You dont get it? This thread does not allow opposing comments
You are not welcomed here, only rogue player that want a buff without questions asked,
and they sure as heck will not reason with uAll kinds of constructive criticisms are very much welcomed in this discussion.. it's just that the opposing side has yet to give a solid and convincing reason as to why the stuffs mentioned above should not be considered. All I see are salty mages and warriors with personal grudges because rogues have dominated in the past.. like this comment for example.

[Irg]

All kinds of constructive criticisms are very much welcomed in this discussion.. it's just that the opposing side has yet to give a solid and convincing reason as to why the stuffs mentioned above should not be considered. All I see are salty mages and warriors with personal grudges because rogues have dominated in the past.. like this comment for example.

Lets bring out the stats
The chance u go in pvp and see rogue: 90%
The chance rogue has highest point in any event: 100%
The chance for a full rogue party for speedrun: 90%
The chance for rogue to be in MY evg party: 90%

The chance u go in pvp and see mage: 1%
The chance mage has highest point in any event: 0%
The chance for a full mage party for speedrun: 0%
The chance for mage to be in MY evg party: 100% because im mage lmao

Rogues are freaking overpowered lol, if u consider rogue with the same
mindset as OP considered mage and other class

Just some fun fact:
The person who liked OP's post and coincidentally being a rogue: 85%
The comments who OP liked is: 100% supporting comments


Yes, indeed, its just the way OP manipulated this thread that i dont like, the way
That he ONLY encourages supportive talk and try to personally attack everyone that
oppose Is very unsettling imo
Trying to make his personal will seems like public will is a terrible way to gain attention
My comments went from neutral to very opposing the more i check this thread

I will no longer participate in this thread, as i found it useless to say more, if you
read through my previous comments you will know exactly why, and sorry for the aggression

[Synergia]

Lets bring out the stats
The chance u go in pvp and see rogue: 90%
The chance rogue has highest point in any event: 100%
The chance for a full rogue party for speedrun: 90%
The chance for rogue to be in MY evg party: 90%

The chance u go in pvp and see mage: 1%
The chance mage has highest point in any event: 0%
The chance for a full mage party for speedrun: 0%
The chance for mage to be in MY evg party: 100% because im mage lmao

Rogues are freaking overpowered lol, if u consider rogue with the same
mindset as OP considered mage and other class

Just some fun fact:
The person who liked OP's post and coincidentally being a rogue: 85%
The comments who OP liked is: 100% supporting comments


Yes, indeed, its just the way OP manipulated this thread that i dont like, the way
That he ONLY encourages supportive talk and try to personally attack everyone that
oppose Is very unsettling imo
Trying to make his personal will seems like public will is a terrible way to gain attention
My comments went from neutral to very opposing the more i check this thread

I will no longer participate in this thread, as i found it useless to say more, if you
read through my previous comments you will know exactly why, and sorry for the aggression


Stop spreading lies.
Its not 90% rogues anymore, its around 40%. Yes its high but it used to be way higher and the only reason there are alot of rogues player is because most of the people are old players who dont wanna change class, and you know its true.
Wanna talk about events? Top rogue lb in the last temple event was the lowest scored. Did you see evg group lb? No rogues.
I know at least 20 people who used to main rogue and now they changed class cause they wanted to farm gold in evg.
I played in the last 4 months alot of evg on my mage, do you know how much damage mage does with all procs combined? 180k-240k per TICK of the skratch gun proc with 110 boss damage. I think I even have a video of it.
I am calling for balance, and all of you people say is "rogue used to be OP so now you deserve to be left behind"
There is no sense in any of that.

You can agree or disagree, I don't care.
I have no personal interest in this, I have interest to allow all the classes to be fair.
Keep talking trash, and bump this thread more, maby devs will see it :)

[Irg]

Where did you get the 40% data from? You probably guessed, unlike me,
i actually went in each of their profile and checked what type of item they selling

You mentioned so much about how we, "not reading your post property" and
saying that we are dumb and hippocrate, but look at yourself, i specifically said,
rogue gets highest score in any "event", and "speed run", evg is neither of those

We stand at a reasonable point and giving facts, while you avoid all the good ones
and intentionally replying to those that will cause drama, picking off small
errors that has nothing to do with the greater picture.

People says that one theories other people's intention based on yourown's
We never said we shouldnt buff rogue because it was too op before, we say
because we believe that it is balanced right now. But you, calling us out
like we are here because we dont want rogue to do good, maybe it is you
that think warrior and mage is op for too long (2years) and you want rogue
to take the turn.

Calling people lying, stupid and hypocrite is a serious offense, and you need
evidence to back yourself up, but i wouldn't expect that from you, unfortunately
Because you dont even take responsibility of your own word, now whos
the lier now.

I am leaving this thread now, but plea to do not disrupt my reputation,
i am telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth

And Synergia, i never said a word that personally offended you, idc how u called me,
but i think you are a very nice person with independent thinking,
it will be a pleasure to meet you ingame, looking forward and best wishes my friend

[sanya]

Lets bring out the stats
The chance u go in pvp and see rogue: 90%
The chance rogue has highest point in any event: 100%
The chance for a full rogue party for speedrun: 90%
The chance for rogue to be in MY evg party: 90%

The chance u go in pvp and see mage: 1%
The chance mage has highest point in any event: 0%
The chance for a full mage party for speedrun: 0%
The chance for mage to be in MY evg party: 100% because im mage lmao

Rogues are freaking overpowered lol, if u consider rogue with the same
mindset as OP considered mage and other class

Just some fun fact:
The person who liked OP's post and coincidentally being a rogue: 85%
The comments who OP liked is: 100% supporting comments


Yes, indeed, its just the way OP manipulated this thread that i dont like, the way
That he ONLY encourages supportive talk and try to personally attack everyone that
oppose Is very unsettling imo
Trying to make his personal will seems like public will is a terrible way to gain attention
My comments went from neutral to very opposing the more i check this thread

I will no longer participate in this thread, as i found it useless to say more, if you
read through my previous comments you will know exactly why, and sorry for the aggression


Do you actually play the game? Or just sitting at forum and making nonsence comments all day?

[Naaabmage]

Do you know how to read?
You have no idea what you are saying and that's hilarious.
first, don't tell people what to ask and what not to ask. people will bring up their thoughts into this forum, this is why it was created, among other things. if you can't accept other people opinions, go drink some cold water to calm your anger kid.
As I said before, when rogue was broken I asked on the forum more than once for balance that the warrior and the mages deserved.
now I will do it again for rogue.
I never said rogue is trash, rogue is just underperforming in the most played map in the game.
this is the truth if you can't accept it, go play minecraft

All I saw was u crying even more dam dont be mad cus rogue isnt super op like all the years before...funny mages become op for one expansion and selfish rogues like u cant handle ONE expansion u arent the dominant class...look to the future next expansion maybe rogues will be good again have patience kid

[Oawaoebi]

Charge your skills and get some skill and you will shine in your glory again. Its easy just get better! Ofc we don't want third class characters in our party. If you aren't showing 8k dmg in town no one is selecting you in his party. Don't deny it that you inspect always players before inviting. And when those players aren't good enough why should they be wanted. So stop spamming the thread in which I only read 3 messages and get the hell out and become better. Hope that was enough spice for you guys.

[Oawaoebi]

2) rogue aimedshot ultimate would be ok if we had way to get gold from bosses (if we had time to switch to gold loot set)... i think would be great if there chest after every boss (evg/dm and other maps) instead golds from boss

So you are one of those who kills boss with ult? May you not have enough toilet paper hihihi. But ok and how much gold loot should your ult have? don't you see that its rediculous what you are asking for. Just because you are not skilled enough to kill spiders first, don't cry on forum for such uselessness. And booty event has been removed if you haven't noticed.

[Ilove_Poopoo]

I rarely see a rouge be included in a party, and even then, only the best rouge are given the slimmest chance and are only used as a last resort to be partied with when all mages are eventually occupied.

Instead of wanting the downfall of other classes just because of their superiority from the past, which in itself is pretty selfish and more of a personal agenda, why not have all classes be balanced equally?

And fyi, the mage and warrior meta has been a thing since the Mausoleum Era, 5yrs and counting... so technically speaking, mage war meta is actually the one dominating longer than rogs.






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[Synergia]

Where did you get the 40% data from? You probably guessed, unlike me,
i actually went in each of their profile and checked what type of item they selling

You mentioned so much about how we, "not reading your post property" and
saying that we are dumb and hippocrate, but look at yourself, i specifically said,
rogue gets highest score in any "event", and "speed run", evg is neither of those

We stand at a reasonable point and giving facts, while you avoid all the good ones
and intentionally replying to those that will cause drama, picking off small
errors that has nothing to do with the greater picture.

People says that one theories other people's intention based on yourown's
We never said we shouldnt buff rogue because it was too op before, we say
because we believe that it is balanced right now. But you, calling us out
like we are here because we dont want rogue to do good, maybe it is you
that think warrior and mage is op for too long (2years) and you want rogue
to take the turn.

Calling people lying, stupid and hypocrite is a serious offense, and you need
evidence to back yourself up, but i wouldn't expect that from you, unfortunately
Because you dont even take responsibility of your own word, now whos
the lier now.

I am leaving this thread now, but plea to do not disrupt my reputation,
i am telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth

And Synergia, i never said a word that personally offended you, idc how u called me,
but i think you are a very nice person with independent thinking,
it will be a pleasure to meet you ingame, looking forward and best wishes my friend

Take care, ty for your opinion.

[Potofgreed]

this is a assumption

Rog n dex are broken.

dodge and hit chance work vs basic/auto attack damage.
imagine if dodge and hit chance worked vs skill damage.

what does dex give ? "dodge"

dodge is suppose to be a universal defensive mechanic.

but why doesnt it work vs skill damage ?
it doesnt work vs skill damage because if it did work rogs would basically be immune to almost all damage in the game. they would never get hit because they have the highest dodge in game.

if this was a thing awaken dodge wouldnt be a dead roll. it would actually be broken.

mobs,bosses,pet passives, aa's, and toon skills. all toons would be able to dodge but rogs would be the best and most consistent at it.

i personally wonder if dex has anything hidden.

anyways

"hit chance"

lets just say we all have 100% hit chance.

reduce hit chance doesnt apply to skill damage.

but why?

if reduce hit chance applied to skill damage. it would break a lot of things in the game. if a pet aa reduced my hit chance by 75% how am i going to hit rogue with firebal, lightn,ice,axe throw,skyward, and c.s? the rog will have like 250-300% dodge im guessing lol .

if i try to reduce the rogs hit chance with fireball or aa the rog would dodge it.

basically rogs and dex soft brick the game. thats why dodge and hit chance only work vs basic and auto attack damage.

"pvp"
the old weapons proced via basic attack only and some only proced on hit via basic attack. so just imagine what it was like vsing a rog ? how could you proc a weapon if the rog would have such a high chance of dodging your on hit proc.

also pet passives have on hit debuffs soooo basically its harder for those debuffs to be applied to rog because they dodge it lol.

last rogs kit is the most versatile in the game. they have the best cast times and the best mobility skill THAT HEALS in the game.

i always say this if im wrong im wrong . i dont mind being wrong.i apologize if i am .

rogs are under preforming.i agree with you guys 100% but its for a good reason.

forgot to add the time rogs were super strong in pve they didnt need wars or mage. it was full rog pt .








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[KarTik1]

I rarely see a rouge be included in a party, and even then, only the best rouge are given the slimmest chance and are only used as a last resort to be partied with when all mages are eventually occupied.

Instead of wanting the downfall of other classes just because of their superiority from the past, which in itself is pretty selfish and more of a personal agenda, why not have all classes be balanced equally?

And fyi, the mage and warrior meta has been a thing since the Mausoleum Era, 5yrs and counting... so technically speaking, mage war meta is actually the one dominating longer than rogs.






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Even there can be only one tank in a party bro.
And while you are saying that only skilled rouges getting the party then its true but also consider that only skilled and geared up tanks invited in party too.
Mage is the only class who made good in this expansion.
In terms of gold gain by a single class it will be mages who made the most gold in a single expansion.


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[Ilove_Poopoo]

Even there can be only one tank in a party bro.
And while you are saying that only skilled rouges getting the party then its true but also consider that only skilled and geared up tanks invited in party too.
Mage is the only class who made good in this expansion.
In terms of gold gain by a single class it will be mages who made the most gold in a single expansion.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkTanks are required in Evg, it doesn't matter whether the tank is good or decent, they'll still be invited. Its either you get this tank or get a better tank - whichever u choose, you'll still have a tank in the team.

On the other hand, for rogs, its either you invite a rog (slim chance) or not at all.

Tanks just makes as much as mages per capita. You'd think mages made more, but thats only from the greater amount of mages we have.

I can argue that tanks made more in evg than mages. There isn't enough tanks to cater the influx of mages. We have mages on stand by waiting for a tank in their team as a common happening.

But, generally speaking if we include Deepmarsh, then yes, mages make more than any other class by a big margin. I myself make 30m in Evg, and another 20m in DM. Whereas tanks usually dont farm DM, while rogs can barely run DM, and often nothing in Evg.


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[KarTik1]

Tanks are required in Evg, it doesn't matter whether the tank is good or decent, they'll still be invited. Its either you get this tank or get a better tank - whichever u choose, you'll still have a tank in the team.

On the other hand, for rogs, its either you invite a rog (slim chance) or not at all.

Tanks just makes as much as mages per capita. You'd think mages made more, but thata only from the greater amount of mages we have.





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If i did like 500-1k runs of evg till now only 30-40 runs i did where there is not a single rouge in my party.
Most of my friends play rouges and there is always 1 rouge in my party .
People ignore it but game is still heavily based on gear and skill set of player.
And still there are 3 classes in game when it comes to running evg.
First :
is new comers there is a community of player who are new to game like playing for only 6-7 months and try to run evg and dont have decent gears they prefer to run evg with a tank and 3 mages. Why cause its the easiest way to clear 20-25 waves.
Second :
Are old players but are guild hoppers and dont have too many friends to run evg with and mostly relying random parties.
Instead of making party of there choice they go for simplest option and pick three mages and one tank option .
Why because they want surety to run 40-50 waves per run.
Third :
Are players who have decent gears and have guildies and friends to back them up every time.
This class is most skilled and generally have players around them of every class to run maps .
They get the party how they like .
In this category there is always a rouge in party
Cause players at this level know when it comes to farming gold 1 rouge is op to have in party and should be geared up equivalent to tanks and mages they are running with.
And yes still what i can say is evg is the only map where rouges do not dominate .
Other gold farming map is dm still one of the best map to run for gold farm.
And when you realize that yes rouges are not there in first two categories but still rouges can farm dm more efficiently then wars and mages can ever do at that level of gear and skill set.
Rouges shines in dm at decent gear category players.

[Xerofith]

And fyi, the mage and warrior meta has been a thing since the Mausoleum Era, 5yrs and counting... so technically speaking, mage war meta is actually the one dominating longer than rogs.






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This is true

[Lazzer]

I rarely see a rouge be included in a party, and even then, only the best rouge are given the slimmest chance and are only used as a last resort to be partied with when all mages are eventually occupied.

Instead of wanting the downfall of other classes just because of their superiority from the past, which in itself is pretty selfish and more of a personal agenda, why not have all classes be balanced equally?

And fyi, the mage and warrior meta has been a thing since the Mausoleum Era, 5yrs and counting... so technically speaking, mage war meta is actually the one dominating longer than rogs.






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Ikr...the argument against balance is usually *I was weak and ignored , now you should feel weak and ignored too*. It's such a self-centered way of seeing things. The game is supposed to be fun for all players. Not specific classes having a upper hand, in maps all classes want to play.

It's as if players who are against the balance think the "Rogues" were in charge of the unbalanced situation earlier! If there is a problem in the game which makes it clearly problematic then the place to give feedback on it, is the Forums, in the hopes that the people who are in charge of balance (DEVS!- NOT ROGUES) hopeful do recognize the problem and try to do something about it.

If you feel like you have concerns about the game and its effecting you and other players negatively, the Forums should be a place to raise your concerns constructively. And that is exactly what the Rogues are doing. It should be, and would be the same if Warriors/ Mages were in a unbalanced spot too, absolutely nothing wrong with it. Whether or not the issue will be recognized and dealt with is not in the hands of the players.

[worshipped]

I rarely see a rouge be included in a party, and even then, only the best rouge are given the slimmest chance and are only used as a last resort to be partied with when all mages are eventually occupied.

Instead of wanting the downfall of other classes just because of their superiority from the past, which in itself is pretty selfish and more of a personal agenda, why not have all classes be balanced equally?

And fyi, the mage and warrior meta has been a thing since the Mausoleum Era, 5yrs and counting... so technically speaking, mage war meta is actually the one dominating longer than rogs.






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[Encryptions]

Wars became op in 2018 winter. Before ebon aegis wars were trash talked by rogs anytime they joined the same map.
Rog can use a few pve buffs atm but wars only been op for 3 years, not 5.
I really never have an issue in pve with rog its so much easier to play than warrior. I might try mage out soon though mage is my worst class for any game.

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[yeet]

I feel like all rogue's participation in this suggestion should be considered invalid, because they are the direct beneficiary if such adjustment ever occurs. Most of the actually-useful points are made by non-rogue players, but they don't receive much attention, why? Because the idea of this thread is to let all rogue player to cry for buff and hope the devs will be deceived by the number of supporting arguments. Just like how irg said, no matter how good of a point you made, or how reasonable it is, those are not welcomed here, and will not likely to be "thanked" because 85% of people that give a shīt about this post are rogues and ofcause they want a buff.

[Aldous]

I feel like all rogue's participation in this suggestion should be considered invalid, because they are the direct beneficiary if such adjustment ever occurs. Most of the actually-useful points are made by non-rogue players, but they don't receive much attention, why? Because the idea of this thread is to let all rogue player to cry for buff and hope the devs will be deceived by the number of supporting arguments. Just like how irg said, no matter how good of a point you made, or how reasonable it is, those are not welcomed here, and will not likely to be "thanked" because 85% of people that give a shīt about this post are rogues and ofcause they want a buff.The problem is about rogues, where do you expect the devs to get information on what is actually happening? Warriors? Sorcs? Oh please....this is a rogue class discussion and non-rogues such as yourself shouldn't even be here to begin with. All we ever ask for is a little buff towards the rogue arsenal... why do you seem so threatened by the proposed changes? They do not even pose a threat to all of you non-rogue classes at all so I don't really understand where all this salt is coming from Lol.

Also, which 'useful' points exactly are you talking about? because right now all I see is nothing but people spewing their personal grudges towards a class for 'dominating' over the past expansions.

[THE GOLDEN KING]

The problem is about rogues, where do you expect the devs to get information on what is actually happening? Warriors? Sorcs? Oh please....this is a rogue class discussion and non-rogues such as yourself shouldn't even be here to begin with. All we ever ask for is a little buff towards the rogue arsenal... why do you seem so threatened by them? Lol.

Also, which 'useful' points exactly are you talking about? because right now all I see is nothing but people spewing their personal grudges towards a class for 'dominating' over the past seasons.

Rogues just need a buffed ultimate, that’s it. it’s not that big of a deal. Lol sts can give them x24dex ultimate and I wouldn’t care(I’m a warrior).


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[KarTik1]

Rogues just need a buffed ultimate, that’s it. it’s not that big of a deal. Lol sts can give them x24dex ultimate and I wouldn’t care(I’m a warrior).


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Bro dont need to be salty towards our fellow class
Yeah sure we all need lil buff defuff here and there.
And game is not balanced for sure i am also a tank and i think all classes should be balanced now with new expansion coming.
But no one is talking about why sts have to do this at first place.
Most people are taking it as grudges when suggestion is coming from either tank or mages.
It happend because rouges were meta till ebon weapons came out specially for warriors.
Ebon shield changed the game for us.
And that time of the game when it comes to end game class population imo 50-60% was covered by rouges and 25-30% were mages and 20-25% were warriors.
When they tried to balance the game and remove dominance from rouge they gave tank and mages better buffs and let the rouges remain same as they were before.
But while doing that most player love there primary classes like i am a full time tank since 2013-14 and i am too lazy to switch to other class.
And majority of player base still dont want to balance game either they need there classes to be meta .
And this post is all about that if they are even mentioning about balancing game they want there classes to be meta from inside.
They buffed tanks the most cause till this day there are not enough tanks in game.
And most player switched class were rouges to mages .
But still at this point there are more rouges then any other class .
Devs may be want more mages and tanks now to balance game and that was the purpose to make rouge players switch classes by doing this.
If there are 33% of each class in game then game will be balanced imo.


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[yeet]

The problem is about rogues, where do you expect the devs to get information on what is actually happening? Warriors? Sorcs? Oh please....this is a rogue class discussion and non-rogues such as yourself shouldn't even be here to begin with. All we ever ask for is a little buff towards the rogue arsenal... why do you seem so threatened by the proposed changes? They do not even pose a threat to all of you non-rogue classes at all so I don't really understand where all this salt is coming from Lol.

Also, which 'useful' points exactly are you talking about? because right now all I see is nothing but people spewing their personal grudges towards a class for 'dominating' over the past expansions.

Is that all you got from this? People jealous because rogue was too powerful? Come on, thats the only thing that YOU CHOSE to see, because every other fact besides this one is not "total bullshīt" and could ruin your dream of absolute domination. Drama didn't choose to appear, you choose drama so that it appears. Now a new rogue with biased lens showed itself, many more to go

[Mehdikillerd]

The game is well balanced and i trust the devs decisions and i understand it correctly why, nothing is going to change now because expansion is already done being made thread closed. Simple

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[KarTik1]

The game is well balanced and i trust the devs decisions and i understand it correctly why, nothing is going to change now because expansion is already done being made thread closed. Simple

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Yes expansion is coming but they will still tweak level 81 gear procs and can balance game for every class and skills and ultimate can be added or upgraded any time they want after the release of expansion.


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[Mehdikillerd]

Yes expansion is coming but they will still tweak level 81 gear procs and can balance game for every class and skills and ultimate can be added or upgraded any time they want after the release of expansion.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey have been doing this for along time and they prob understand every possible thing that we dont know, and we here discussing at the last minute before the new expansion,if it was a unfair/big problem it would have been solved along time

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[THE GOLDEN KING]

Bro dont need to be salty towards our fellow class
Yeah sure we all need lil buff defuff here and there.
And game is not balanced for sure i am also a tank and i think all classes should be balanced now with new expansion coming.
But no one is talking about why sts have to do this at first place.
Most people are taking it as grudges when suggestion is coming from either tank or mages.
It happend because rouges were meta till ebon weapons came out specially for warriors.
Ebon shield changed the game for us.
And that time of the game when it comes to end game class population imo 50-60% was covered by rouges and 25-30% were mages and 20-25% were warriors.
When they tried to balance the game and remove dominance from rouge they gave tank and mages better buffs and let the rouges remain same as they were before.
But while doing that most player love there primary classes like i am a full time tank since 2013-14 and i am too lazy to switch to other class.
And majority of player base still dont want to balance game either they need there classes to be meta .
And this post is all about that if they are even mentioning about balancing game they want there classes to be meta from inside.
They buffed tanks the most cause till this day there are not enough tanks in game.
And most player switched class were rouges to mages .
But still at this point there are more rouges then any other class .
Devs may be want more mages and tanks now to balance game and that was the purpose to make rouge players switch classes by doing this.
If there are 33% of each class in game then game will be balanced imo.


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Salty? I’m not salty, all I said was STS can give them x24 dex ultimate and I wouldn’t care. Btw I made a whole thread explaining true class balance for AL and guess what everyone hated it and prefers the current version of AL. So id suggest to leave it up to the devs.


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[snakeeyes]

lol the most played class today is warior if the rogue class is useful at the party, why do so many rogue switch to warior and mage class?

[Mehdikillerd]

lol the most played class today is warior if the rogue class is useful at the party, why do so many rogue switch to warior and mage class?Its because of the map design tons of enemies grouped up easy to kill/proc with war and mage, if you make a map with one boss such as hydra/infested that is hard to defeat you would see mages and wars switching to rogues simply which means rogues are balanced. At this point this thread is still going nowhere please close it,thanks!

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[yeet]

Its because of the map design tons of enemies grouped up easy to kill/proc with war and mage, if you make a map with one boss such as hydra/infested that is hard to defeat you would see mages and wars switching to rogues simply which means rogues are balanced. At this point this thread is still going nowhere please close it,thanks!

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True, untimates in normal, linear map barely does a thing, but trust me, they are going to avoid your very strong claim and go back to arguing about how people denied their buff solely because they were op for too long. Nonsense vs nonsense that is! That's the only argument they can win.

[Potofgreed]

in the past there use to be 4 rog pt's destroying end game content.

war and mages cried about it. because of that war and mages were useless.

it actually wasnt a good look for the game. since then the devs improved the game . but you guys still complain .not only do you guys complain but you complain about the wrong things. you guys just want to complain but dont know what to complain about lol.

E.v.g

the devs balanced the end game content around team work.
by end game i mean " evg"

so that means a geared war is 100% needed to play the game in " evg"
sure you can play evg without wars but your not going to get very far. you need wars 100% to actually get some where in evg.

also mage is needed 100% too.

1 war, 3 mage or 1 war, 2mage and 1 rog is fine.

my assumption is

e.v.g was designed for wars to be playable.

then i feel they slotted mage and rog in to see how they handled the content in team and solo.

as a team if you look at how evg is played who is the strongest piece when geared correctly? " war is" as it should be .

believe it or not you guys think its broken but its actually balanced because you only need 1 war lol.

my only issues with this is.

1. you have to rely on a geared war to play the game but atleast i understand why.

2. wars needs to be geared properly which means "hotbars, gear swap,doz sword and glint aegis".

if a war isnt doing these things then no one is going to play with that war. because the war isnt playing the game as intended.

Deep marsh

you guys ever noticed how in dm you dont need a war? mages and rogs run D.m just fine.


"Rogues soft brick the game" Believe it or not they do .

if you guys want me to explain again how rogs soft brick the game i will.

[Aldous]

Is that all you got from this? People jealous because rogue was too powerful? Come on, thats the only thing that YOU CHOSE to see, because every other fact besides this one is not "total bullshīt" and could ruin your dream of absolute domination. Drama didn't choose to appear, you choose drama so that it appears. Now a new rogue with biased lens showed itself, many more to goLmaoooo what domination are you talking about? Have you even read the whole thing? None of the problems they identified is untrue, rogues are entirely useless because of map design being the main culprit. Now we ask for a very little help to somehow make ourselves useful in maps like EVG and you simply deny it.. why? to keep the status quo towards your favor. Lol. Your pettiness is showing my guy. How about you come down from your hightower and actually play a rogue yourself to see how bad the things are instead of going against ACTUAL FACTS that people like you seems to enjoy concealing just because you're threatened by these ideas. Stop exaggerating.

[Mehdikillerd]

Lmaoooo what domination are you talking about? Have you even read the whole thing? None of the problems they identified is untrue, rogues are entirely useless because of map design being the main culprit. Now we ask for a very little help to somehow make ourselves useful in maps like EVG and you simply deny it.. why? to keep the status quo towards your favor. Lol. Your pettiness is showing my guy. How about you come down from your hightower and actually play a rogue yourself to see how bad the things are instead of going against ACTUAL FACTS that people like you seems to enjoy concealing just because you're threatened by these ideas. Stop exaggerating.I beleive this is the reason why they made deep marsh with 5 bosses without nerfing gold loot since the begining of the expansion,opens every 2days,and suprisingly you get same gold as if you play evg waves,i mean look at it the bright side it isnt that bad our devs are doing just fine!

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[Stephencobear]

Evg isn’t the only gl map, I can make comparable $ in settlers and gathering map, and I can solo there. Also elite marsh is great for gl

When I was excluded from hydra maps I made a rogue, adapt and overcome (then they nerfed it lol)
One map doesn’t mean your class is broken

HOWEVER
I could support buff on bows, buff on razorshield or a redo for rogue ults tbf

[yeet]

Lmaoooo what domination are you talking about? Have you even read the whole thing? None of the problems they identified is untrue, rogues are entirely useless because of map design being the main culprit. Now we ask for a very little help to somehow make ourselves useful in maps like EVG and you simply deny it.. why? to keep the status quo towards your favor. Lol. Your pettiness is showing my guy. How about you come down from your hightower and actually play a rogue yourself to see how bad the things are instead of going against ACTUAL FACTS that people like you seems to enjoy concealing just because you're threatened by these ideas. Stop exaggerating.

And now you are back again, none of your claim are untrue, but what about ours? All claim against the buff is untrue? You are just avoiding those. Just stop, you are not getting anywhere if you don't admit. The difference between a crying thread and a discussion thread is that people look at all facts provided in a discussion thread, and crying thread is just bunch of people diss-ing opposing side and only focusing on few badly worded drama-feed claims and call them self victorious

[-Rogue-]

lol, just buff trash duggar bow, shouldnt hurt anyone

[Lazzer]

lol, just buff trash duggar bow, shouldnt hurt anyone

Yeah. Tbh the Rogue Ultimate needs to be balanced too. Considering how much utility the other classes can provide with the Ultimate.

In Deepmarsh for example, the Ultimate with no proc is not very effective , and the Ultimate with the proc is usually a one shot, which usually leads to tilted teammates loosing out on Gold, not being able to swap to their Gold Loot sets in time.

In Elite Valley Gates, the Mages Ultimate and Warrior Ultimate are amazingly helpful with clear speed and damage output. Considering the AOE factor as well, the damage is already done on the Spider and Boss after procs. Leaving no real need to use the Rogue Ultimate, specially in the earlier waves.

[snakeeyes]

Its because of the map design tons of enemies grouped up easy to kill/proc with war and mage, if you make a map with one boss such as hydra/infested that is hard to defeat you would see mages and wars switching to rogues simply which means rogues are balanced. At this point this thread is still going nowhere please close it,thanks!

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if the next boss in the expansion only critical and dps can kill sure many warior user will also complain just like sts nerfed hydra bog with gold drop because of warior user complain then suddenly lost the gold drop, maybe also hint to warior users how to become useless dev please.

[Ilove_Poopoo]

if you make a map with one boss such as hydra/infested that is hard to defeat you would see mages and wars switching to rogues

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*Checks hydra lb - sees 3 mages 1 rog as the #1and #2 time [emoji1782]

Infested - Mages can solo faster than rogs now fyi

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[flashio]

How about buffing ultimates with something like this?

-Aim shot: for 6 seconds each charged basic attack deals 50k-70k, non charged basic attack 20k-50k.
-Medicinal herb: recovers 20%hp per sec for 15 seconds, immunity to impairing effects for 8 seconds, 50% dmg reduction for 3 seconds.
-Refuel: increases everyone's ms and mana ignore by 100%, dodge and crit by 50%, dmg and dps by 25%.

These tweaks would make Rogue's ultimates way more useful.
Tho in order to have a consistent balance between classes the procs should have a similar range of usefulness since making a proc a straight weaker version of a different class proc considering they're in the same rarity and lvl isn't fair, just like happens right now with skratch gun and Duggar bow: Gun>Bow.
Also making bow/gun/shield a usable option again would help the gameplay instead of these weapons being doomed to be secondary options.

[Thcroots]

I agree +1
Rog trash on evg

[Oakmaiden]

Agrees that the ultimate skills are lacking, I don’t have any in my loadouts.

[Sulphurea]

Yes I'm saying I don't care if rogues need help in one map but dominate every other map. I'm hoping we need all 3 classes in the expansion.

Don't worry as rogues power up at the next cap I'm sure you will nuke the waves in 4 rogue parties through wave 1000000000000000000000.I truly hope so, will be the time i'll delete all warriors from my fl [emoji14]

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[Xtremez]

AL has been rogue legends for years and now we have like 1 or 2 maps where rogs don't do well, and the rest of the maps rogs still dominate as they use to as well time based lb's. The 76 cap was the time for mages and wars to shine so maybe all of what is the game now is just the balancing act already done and now we have uses for all 3 classes, not just 1.

[Sulphurea]

This keeps to be a dumb reason lol and yk, not every rogue does pvp or race dungeons. It's utterly unfair not being able to run a cap map with best gold loot cause everybody skips you even if you have op gear. If was a map that give no gold then np but is not the case, so they better wake up and do something about it, cause we can't all swap on war or mage yk

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[ZaptyAL]

+1
My friends they are rogue before but now they are switched to mage because of farming in evg they want to use mage now .

I was asked them why quitted to rog then switch to mage? They answer me its hard to find a party in evg bro.

Then i was asked them again , how about now bro you are mage now? They answer me super cool now bro easy to get a party in evg and mage is op to use now and i am satisfied now.

But deep inside they miss playing a rog role in arcane legends. Now they are waiting to see some miracle in 81 or chance to play back as a rog role soon.


My rog friends is now a mage , and my other rog friends still hoping and still loyal as a rog role in farming in evg,

War is good but so tired being war in evg i also have war.

At the end of the day , everything can changed sometimes we need to adjust what is our daily in al life.


Just shared :)




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[friana]

i switched to war few month ago but my main is rog all the time .. i can enough to do at evg with my rog but no one invite me recently . It cannot be helped. they ask me when cant find last parson . rogue ok ? because they know if average rog in pt need around over 30sec its bit slow than 3 good mage ,, time if 3mage is around 20sec its too much help for warrior from chance to get death..but im ok with rog but almost them dont like to do with rog. from my experience to have total 250 boss damage and elite damage finally can stand on the same ring with around 150 boss damage mage but not easy, happened like this while mauso is active by dragon hunter staff for mage and flame staff and immortal staff . always mage has advantage ..this game has only 3 class but why happening like this again . i hope next expansion will not get like this ,

[Naaabmage]

This keeps to be a dumb reason lol and yk, not every rogue does pvp or race dungeons. It's utterly unfair not being able to run a cap map with best gold loot cause everybody skips you even if you have op gear. If was a map that give no gold then np but is not the case, so they better wake up and do something about it, cause we can't all swap on war or mage yk

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I can help u switch... :) have a good day lol

[gobbels]

To be honest, there is only one probplem that rogue faces.

rogue keeps 1hitting smurfs and killdozers.

Only reason pvp so ded, cant even do anything than die to 1shot arrow.

yous - gobbel

[Potofgreed]

To be honest, there is only one probplem that rogue faces.

rogue keeps 1hitting smurfs and killdozers.

Only reason pvp so ded, cant even do anything than die to 1shot arrow.

yous - gobbelyep 100% if i actually explained how rogs soft brick the game. maybe the game would change but i highly doubt it.

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[Sulphurea]

I can help u switch... :) have a good day lolIkr Bigg you wish xD

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[Lazzer]

To be honest, there is only one probplem that rogue faces.

rogue keeps 1hitting smurfs and killdozers.

Only reason pvp so ded, cant even do anything than die to 1shot arrow.

yous - gobbel

This thread has been specifically dedicated to the PvE factor though. Nothing wrong with bringing it up, but if you do feel it to be very troublesome and negatively effecting the game, then please consider a new thread. I'm sure you will find like minded players as well as those who disagree. But that is how a topic is developed and it will bring more attention.

[Lazzer]

i switched to war few month ago but my main is rog all the time .. i can enough to do at evg with my rog but no one invite me recently . It cannot be helped. they ask me when cant find last parson . rogue ok ? because they know if average rog in pt need around over 30sec its bit slow than 3 good mage ,, time if 3mage is around 20sec its too much help for warrior from chance to get death..but im ok with rog but almost them dont like to do with rog. from my experience to have total 250 boss damage and elite damage finally can stand on the same ring with around 150 boss damage mage but not easy, happened like this while mauso is active by dragon hunter staff for mage and flame staff and immortal staff . always mage has advantage ..this game has only 3 class but why happening like this again . i hope next expansion will not get like this ,

True. I have noticed many up to the mark Rogues not being able to get a party like they should be getting. Understandable since the Mage class has way more impact considering the Ultimate / Procs and Overall Damage, so is preferred almost always over the Rogue class.