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I know the team didn't slap their head and came out with the idea
of removing proc stacking, and yes indeed players sometimes have their
own bias when they talk about nerfing and buffing. And sometimes
its right to ignore those voice and do something that
will benefit the game regardless of what players think
But when literally half of the community dislike the change and even
threatening to quit... It probably is a sign of it being a terrible idea
Just saying...
I don't want to see this game dead after i just got back to it
Lawpvp
09-16-2021, 01:04 AM
I'm sorry but changing the meta away from using 5-6 weapons at once is not a "terrible idea"
I'm sorry but changing the meta away from using 5-6 weapons at once is not a "terrible idea"
Oh it totally will be if over 50% of players prefer it that way
Tbh me too, spamming skill and nothing else is boring,
having to switch hotbar requires actual skill to do well
Also i am deeply sorry for rogues in general, just using dug dagger and still do this well?
you are missing out on the fun
Lawpvp
09-16-2021, 01:13 AM
Oh it totally will be if over 50% of players prefer it that way
Tbh me too, spamming skill and nothing else is boring,
having to switch hotbar requires actual skill to do well
u got any data to support that anywhere near 50% of people care about it?
Analytical
09-16-2021, 01:13 AM
Oh it will totally be if over 50% of players prefer it that way
Absolutely a logical fallacy. Having a good amount of people against it doesn't make it a terrible idea. It just means there are people who don't like it and they are people who are okay with it. Unless 90% of people are against it (which i suppose is the case if gold loot was completely eliminated).
Anyway, stop creating multiple threads on this topic. Otherwise wait for a few more comments before cinco comes in and delete them all here in discussion. He mentioned to keep all discussions in one thread - ie the expansion announcements thread.
u got any data to support that anywhere near 50% of people care about it?
Just go count the number of yes and no on the original thread
No comments
Ps its actually close to 70%
Lawpvp
09-16-2021, 01:18 AM
Just go count the number if yes and no on the original thread
No comments
Forums are inherently biased and not a good representation of the overall player base. No comments.
Switchback
09-16-2021, 01:21 AM
So because u cant spamm hotbar and have every buff possible at once, and now have to choose your procs, that is something you cant deal with?
Why would u sell your arcane items and all that, they are still very much needed. We just got rid of Glint and other random low mythics/arcs impacting content too much and way out of the level they were made for. Ill still be using 85% of my items. 15% loss is worth the balance that this should open up for upcoming items ect.
People are being super narrow minded and very dramatic.
Either way, i do not wish to talk about why people agree and disagree with it
Because both side can go on and on about their reasoning and i respect that
But lots of people are actually selling gear and quitting, can any of you say that this is good?
worshipped
09-16-2021, 01:23 AM
Forums are inherently biased and not a good representation of the overall player base. No comments.Well i guess ill express my opinion. Almost all endgame wars would oppose the nerf. Since it would make them nearly USELESS. As for mages,the main reason mages melt boss is the skratch gun proc combined with staff proc. Since that is also removed, "insert khaby lame meme". The only class that would support this are rogs, which makes up less than 40% of total players atm. So u round up the numbers and decide if sts' decision is bad or not.
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Perceval
09-16-2021, 01:29 AM
Devs were a bit at fault from the start tbh. If you have a nice set of skill choices, you won't need to depend on 5 different weapon procs.
Stormydragon
09-16-2021, 01:35 AM
Guys give their ideas a try in expansion. Maybe we'll get other options than just combo procs of 5 expensive weps.
Analytical
09-16-2021, 01:46 AM
Well i guess ill express my opinion. Almost all endgame wars would oppose the nerf. Since it would make them nearly USELESS. As for mages,the main reason mages melt boss is the skratch gun proc combined with staff proc. Since that is also removed, "insert khaby lame meme". The only class that would support this are rogs, which makes up less than 40% of total players atm. So u round up the numbers and decide if sts' decision is bad or not.
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Rogues are not as op as you described it to be. They just didn't get affected as much as wars by the update. Find me a rogue that can solo 81 map without warrior and mages.
Even without the combo stacking, warrior is the most important role in any challenging map. We still have jugg and heal to ensure party survive. We just don't have op damage anymore to help clear the mobs - which I think is perfectly reasonable - tank is suppose to tank - let the rogues and mages do the damage.
Rogues are not as op as you described it to be. They just didn't get affected as much as wars by the update. Find me a rogue that can solo 81 map without warrior and mages.
Even without the combo stacking, warrior is the most important role in any challenging map. We still have jugg and heal to ensure party survive. We just don't have op damage anymore to help clear the mobs - which I think is perfectly reasonable - tank is suppose to tank - let the rogues and mages do the damage.
Most rogue in evg use only dug dagger and they do just fine
Imagine a mage with only staff
And a war with only sword
Im quite sure they will not get invited at all
But this is not about how it made class unfair
Its about how it broke the economy, changed the playstyle of this game
Entirely and made so many players hard earned gold gone in vein
Kolpertis_333
09-16-2021, 01:54 AM
This is a controversal opinion, but i think the changes are fine. This is a mmorpg after all, in what other mmorpg did you see people using 5 different sets to become a god... After all, before proc stacking was added, no one was even thinking about it and still everyone played the game with each class. Also we should not jump to conclusions, maybe New 81 procs Will be so good no one would even want to use other stuff.
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codered
09-16-2021, 02:12 AM
You know, we used to clear an elite map like 15 mins or so, remember nord campaign? How all people desperately needed warrior. Remember the day when a player showing us how to do an elite run solo using some parking strategy?
We have proc, we have awaken, we have housing system buff, we have pet slot, Basically it is easier than the old time and at least with gold loot u wont get out from the map empty handed.
Analytical
09-16-2021, 02:18 AM
Agreed with codered, people forgot how it was like all thanks to the introduction of stacking weapon combos since the vardan Valley expansion. I would try to keep my argument short as I donno when cinco will delete this thread.
To answer the op questions:
1. Yes I can imagine a mage a rogue a war without the ability to switch between weapons = It means slower and longer party.
2. Break the economy? Only thing I see is people panic sell that may explain the "broken economy" you claimed about because they don't know how their weapons can be used in the expansion map.
3. Changed the playstyle? More like back to how it was supposed to be like.
1. Yes I can imagine a mage a rogue a war without the ability to switch between weapons = It means slower and longer party.
2. Break the economy? Only thing I see is people panic sell that may explain the "broken economy" you claimed about because they don't know how their weapons can be used in the expansion map.
3. Changed the playstyle? More like back to how it was supposed to be like.
1. If you taking about the most recent map, no, no one invites you
2. This is not stock market, people can easily tell if their gear becomes worthless
3. Who said the old playstyle is what this game supposed to be? Not me, not over
half of the people whos having a depression
Lookupnabs
09-16-2021, 02:33 AM
Oh it totally will be if over 50% of players prefer it that way
Tbh me too, spamming skill and nothing else is boring,
having to switch hotbar requires actual skill to do well
Also i am deeply sorry for rogues in general, just using dug dagger and still do this well?
you are missing out on the fun
Stop ur toxicity … this decision is good
Willl
09-16-2021, 02:35 AM
Let's avoid fight eachother I would say, he isnt beeing toxic, it s ok have different opinions..
About the topic well I still think they shouldnt do this change, it will bring much more unfairness between leaderbords and parties
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Analytical
09-16-2021, 02:36 AM
I find it hilarious for the first time I actually agree with u.
Also not gonna reply any constructive points to the op anymore, if you want to discuss go to the main announcement thread.
profmsb
09-16-2021, 05:18 AM
many of my friend did not even have forum acc n didnt event bother about forum but they played for long time...n even 1 person created few forum acc for merch n to manipulate rumour as if few diffrent acc sayingg the same thing..its gonna make it look like big deal....
snakeeyes
09-16-2021, 06:02 AM
Most rogue in evg use only dug dagger and they do just fine
Imagine a mage with only staff
And a war with only sword
Im quite sure they will not get invited at all
But this is not about how it made class unfair
Its about how it broke the economy, changed the playstyle of this game
Entirely and made so many players hard earned gold gone in vein
Lol only the proc stacking remove not the weapon to use and not the 2nd weapon proc remove and cinco said the 2nd weapon you use will proc also.
Oakmaiden
09-16-2021, 07:56 AM
Today: “everyone is gonna quit over this”
Tomorrow: y’all log in and play
50% of the player base doesn’t even read the forums or bother posting
Cinco
09-16-2021, 07:59 AM
I know the team didn't slap their head and came out with the idea
of removing proc stacking, and yes indeed players sometimes have their
own bias when they talk about nerfing and buffing. And sometimes
its right to ignore those voice and do something that
will benefit the game regardless of what players think
But when literally half of the community dislike the change and even
threatening to quit... It probably is a sign of it being a terrible idea
Just saying...
I don't want to see this game dead after i just got back to it
When dealing with forum outrage it is important to know history.
The removal of the 'proc stack' metal is only the most recent necessary balance change to garner widespread condemnantion.
I say 'GCD.'
If you know what this means, you know how I feel about it all.
Closing - since I already have an official thread on this change.