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Inozuke
09-21-2021, 07:11 PM
I have never seen an update so beautiful, so perfect, so beautiful x2... The maps are so difficult that it gives us a lot of time to be at home talking with colleagues, lazing in the exclusive 2020 chair, having a beer with my chef "elMotas "live life outside sitting" corduroy "in the garden and the best .. playing my instruments that in case you were little YAAAAA FIX IT FOR GOD I CANNOT PLAY ANYTHING ON THE NEW MAP IS VERY DIFFICULThttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210922/ebe8da0ac45085f59694a0555c5d6ce5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210922/568be2a78ba356d2f2aae08a80c37ae7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210922/836a1f4b3b917fc65a188c37fce52b19.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210922/98741d9edb73486ed35932556daa1f6a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210922/1b431a5e5641ba430fad6c57ec523e53.jpg

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Perq
09-21-2021, 07:43 PM
Try to play it or even maps from previous expansion as a warrior in currently state, experience is way different than "perfect".

Inozuke
09-21-2021, 07:48 PM
Try to play it or even maps from previous expansion as a warrior in currently state, experience is way different than "perfect".

the worst thing is that they gave the creatures and bosses a benefit when they were already very strong

worshipped
09-21-2021, 09:03 PM
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Encryptions
09-21-2021, 09:32 PM
YAAAAA FIX IT FOR GOD I CANNOT PLAY ANYTHING ON THE NEW MAP IS VERY DIFFICULT


Try to play this on a warrior. These maps are easy as hell for rog and mage, I am currently in the editing process of showing a rog vs war speed run in map 3 of the new 81 maps. Here is a teaser, war takes 1 hour 32 mins to solo 1700 str and rog takes 13~ mins to solo 1400 dex.

I will never see the day a warrior is able to solo this boss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NxboShuPUM

Perq
09-21-2021, 10:51 PM
While so many ppl made threads about expansion, marked that something definitelly went wrong with balance and some fix is needed u do this thread and calling us criers and drama makers. Why? There is no point of u doing this thread. You dont see the problem, because your class didnt get affected. I saw many op warriors who just quitted, or who moved to other class, some also just staying in the city and dont want to lvl up cause our class is useless. While stacking procs got removed warrior lost not only damage, but also everything needed to be tank. We dont want to nerf your class, we want to get the axe+aegis stack at least or something which will make us able to enjoy new content same as other classes.
And if u will tell me something that rogues were weak at 76 while they were on every hydra, orrick lb and some could do around 40 solo wave on evg then i wont treat u serious

Inozuke
09-21-2021, 11:14 PM
Try to play this on a warrior. These maps are easy as hell for rog and mage, I am currently in the editing process of showing a rog vs war speed run in map 3 of the new 81 maps. Here is a teaser, war takes 1 hour 32 mins to solo 1700 str and rog takes 13~ mins to solo 1400 dex.

I will never see the day a warrior is able to solo this boss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NxboShuPUM

Why don't you better do a comparison of what a rogue did in the war 76 comparison at that time? Stop crying seriously, kid. The warriors killed everything in 3 seconds. The rogue didn't do that when the maximum was level 76 (rule out your case, you have a lot of gold to equip, don't mention yourself as an "example").
I can't believe you're stupid enough to waste 2 hours trying it knowing that the game is for team play.

Encryptions
09-21-2021, 11:16 PM
Why don't you better do a comparison of what a rogue did in the war 76 comparison at that time? Stop crying seriously, kid. The warriors killed everything in 3 seconds. The rogue didn't do that when the maximum was level 76 (rule out your case, you have a lot of gold to equip, don't mention yourself as an "example").
I can't believe you're stupid enough to waste 2 hours trying it knowing that the game is for team play.Oh back with the insults I see. You are the one complaining about the maps being too hard when I am using a 1400 dex rog to easily solo them. Rogs were nuking mobs before 81 expan, you just had to know how to play the class correctly.

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Inozuke
09-21-2021, 11:22 PM
While so many ppl made threads about expansion, marked that something definitelly went wrong with balance and some fix is needed u do this thread and calling us criers and drama makers. Why? There is no point of u doing this thread. You dont see the problem, because your class didnt get affected. I saw many op warriors who just quitted, or who moved to other class, some also just staying in the city and dont want to lvl up cause our class is useless. While stacking procs got removed warrior lost not only damage, but also everything needed to be tank. We dont want to nerf your class, we want to get the axe+aegis stack at least or something which will make us able to enjoy new content same as other classes.
And if u will tell me something that rogues were weak at 76 while they were on every hydra, orrick lb and some could do around 40 solo wave on evg then i wont treat u serious

all classes were affected I died like 600 times since it started, I don't complain about dying or betting buff, that's fine by me "
on the subject of warriors ... if your case is sad they do not let you use 2 weapons such as rogue and magicians
that should solve it
But for now the problem is that even. not even a class no longer works, it takes up to 4 minutes in the boss with more colleagues
I complain about the current update, the buff for creatures and bosses is very strong

snakeeyes
09-22-2021, 12:11 AM
I think dev did that to make all class join and unite together but always there is a fight between rogue user and warior user, if the balance is true need to be equal all, all class has a rage ulti just like war but our ulti is uncontrollable, we dont need ultimate aim in 1 shot you cannot control and shoot it on mobs insted on boss, our dagger has only 70-80% proc chance but axe is 100% chance, and for warior need to increase the armor cap so they cannot die easly on new map. But it is better to unite the class to make all happy and enjoy the challenges while we run.

snakeeyes
09-22-2021, 12:26 AM
And one more thing a rogue must really be strong crit damage and dps of the because it is easy to die so they must kill the opponent quickly and fast too, the warior is for survival in case the rogue and mage dies the opponent boss will not reset,

Aldous
09-22-2021, 12:27 AM
all classes were affected I died like 600 times since it started, I don't complain about dying or betting buff, that's fine by me "
on the subject of warriors ... if your case is sad they do not let you use 2 weapons such as rogue and magicians
that should solve it
But for now the problem is that even. not even a class no longer works, it takes up to 4 minutes in the boss with more colleagues
I complain about the current update, the buff for creatures and bosses is very strongYou're overreacting smh. I ran multiple dungeons with barely geared people (taint set, old arcanes) and it's not as bad as you make it seem. My awakes are ms, I run with 1.3k dex stat and is still able to finish it smoothly.

However, the update is kind of unnecessary imho, it just made the new content a bit harder for everybody. Idk if this was an attempt to include warriors in parties, but if that's the case, they gotta do more than just increasing mobs and boss HP. Warriors have nothing else to offer but horn of renew atm.

terapan
09-22-2021, 12:33 AM
You are altavista? Wow, glad to meet you here 🥺

Inozuke
09-22-2021, 01:26 AM
You're overreacting smh. I ran multiple dungeons with barely geared people (taint set, old arcanes) and it's not as bad as you make it seem. My awakes are ms, I run with 1.3k dex stat and is still able to finish it smoothly.

However, the update is kind of unnecessary imho, it just made the new content a bit harder for everybody. Idk if this was an attempt to include warriors in parties, but if that's the case, they gotta do more than just increasing mobs and boss HP. Warriors have nothing else to offer but horn of renew atm.

I played so much that I almost touched 8k points, it is normal that I die a lot (?)

Inozuke
09-22-2021, 01:30 AM
You are altavista? Wow, glad to meet you here 🥺
who are you XD

Aldous
09-22-2021, 01:30 AM
I played so much that I almost touched 8k points, it is normal that I die a lot (?)Try being cautious and not just rambo all the time? As a rogue you have way too many options, "kiting" for one works best.

Encryptions
09-22-2021, 01:31 AM
Here is the video. https://youtu.be/vxjqCiXNrEM

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Inozuke
09-22-2021, 01:33 AM
Try being cautious and not just rambo all the time? As a rogue you have way too many options, "kiting" for one works best.

ahahahahahahahaha of course when I don't miss a hit by mistake and they reflect instant death

Flamesofanger
09-22-2021, 01:41 AM
Here is the video. https://youtu.be/vxjqCiXNrEM

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Okay so i watched your video and i noticed a big red flag.....

The reason your war dealt so little damage compared to the rogue was because you allowed the metal crabs to lower your damage stats with their charged attack.

Whilst your rogue dodged most of them.....

Why not make a new video while you dodge the damage debuffs? Genuinely curious now if all the warriors here saying wars don't deal damage don't even bother dodging the crabs damage debuff attacks.........

I myself always dodge their attacks and i deal huge amounts of damage as a 1.3k str warrior. 17k hp and 4.1k damage

Encryptions
09-22-2021, 01:42 AM
Okay so i watched you video and i noticed a big red flag.....

The reason your war dealt so little damage compared to the rogue was because you allowed the metal crabs to lower your damage stats with their charged attack.

Whilst your rogue dodged most of them.....

Why not make a new video while you dodge the damage debuffs? Genuinely curious now if all the warriors here saying wars don't deal damage don't even bother dodging the crabs damage debuff attacks.........The juggernaut should resist damage reduction debuffs. But still vs the boss my damage is the same as my damage towards the mobs there. Dodging attacks as a warrior isn't possible though. I watched the vid, the only time I really got dmg debuffed was at the start, I used jugger in every group of mobs so I did not get any damage reduction from them.

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Aldous
09-22-2021, 01:48 AM
ahahahahahahahaha of course when I don't miss a hit by mistake and they reflect instant deathYou said it yourself. Lol. You hit it by "mistake". Be cautious and pay attention to red zones next time.

It's not just about stats, gears, and all that...it's about being careful, strategic, and your capability to execute proper timing.... clearly something that has been forgotten in Arcane Legends due to years of bland and repetitive content.

To me, Heracleion defines the "Best Expansion Ever" statement that was made years ago.

Flamesofanger
09-22-2021, 01:52 AM
The juggernaut should resist damage reduction debuffs. But still vs the boss my damage is the same as my damage towards the mobs there. Dodging attacks as a warrior isn't possible though. I watched the vid, the only time I really got dmg debuffed was at the start, I used jugger in every group of mobs so I did not get any damage reduction from them.

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Wait, juggernauts actually capable of stopping class statistical debuffs from being applied? I read it's description in-game and nothing of that sort is mentioned there.

Encryptions
09-22-2021, 01:53 AM
It resists debuffs too. Go to mogera gather a ton of mobs charge jug and watch; you won't get any debuffs other than poison over time dot.

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Inozuke
09-22-2021, 01:57 AM
You said it yourself. Lol. You hit it by "mistake". Be cautious and pay attention to red zones next time.

It's not just about stats, gears, and all that...it's about being careful, strategic, and your capability to execute proper timing.... clearly something that has been forgotten in Arcane Legends due to years of bland and repetitive content.

To me, Heracleion defines the "Best Expansion Ever" statement that was made years ago.

At the moment I am a good player and I know how to play and believe me .. you die no matter what you have, you die !!
You don't have 5k points for sure

And yes is my favorite expansion :)

Xyv.io
09-22-2021, 01:57 AM
It's not difficult, it's just dumb. The bosses spawn "surprise pools" without giving any red area warning and boom insta kill. Now can't even rejoin because you were unlucky. No skill required at all just be lucky so that you don't get "surprise pooled". Also the surprise reflect mechanics on the mobs lol.

Aldous
09-22-2021, 01:59 AM
At the moment I am a good player and I know how to play and believe me .. you die no matter what you have, you die !!
You don't have 5k points for sure

And yes is my favorite expansion :)You die and you claim to know how to play? Lol. Read your statement again please.

Flamesofanger
09-22-2021, 02:00 AM
It resists debuffs too. Go to mogera gather a ton of mobs charge jug and watch; you won't get any debuffs.

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Okay, so i watched the video again and skipped to 5:43 this time. I noticed the red icon under your characters UI bar plenty of times. (Red circle with 2 white swords = Damage debuff)

It means they kept lowering your damage. I'm not sure of the juggernaut thing. I'm positive it's not capable of removing stat debuffs. Maybe the mogera thing is a bug because it clearly isn't working in the following video as far as i've seen.

Encryptions
09-22-2021, 02:01 AM
Okay, so i watched the video again and skipped to 5:43 this time. I noticed the red icon under your characters UI bar plenty of times. (Red circle with 2 white swords = Damage debuff)

It means they kept lowering your damage. I'm not sure of the juggernaut thing. I'm positive it's not capable of removing stat debuffs. Maybe the mogera thing is a bug because it clearly isn't working here?Yes there I was pming a friend not paying attention at all on the mobs.
I would like to have wars doing more dmg to atleast feel useful. To me I can afford any play any class spend tons on each and not worry but there are people who can't afford to do that and when they play as a war because it was op recently they lose out on so much.

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Analytical
09-22-2021, 02:02 AM
It's not difficult, it's just dumb. The bosses spawn "surprise pools" without giving any red area warning and boom insta kill. Now can't even rejoin because you were unlucky. No skill required at all just be lucky so that you don't get "surprise pooled". Also the surprise reflect mechanics on the mobs lol.

Use a bit of brain, it is easy to counter the surprise pool = WAIT FOR IT TO F*KING SPAWN = now you can attack no more surprises. When the pool disappears again, WAIT AGAIN before you attack.

Inozuke
09-22-2021, 02:04 AM
You die and you claim to know how to play? Lol. Read your statement again please.
Well, give me your name at stake. I want to see how professional you are if you die 1 time. I call you a fool for thinking that not dying in an expa this deadly is being "better"

Flamesofanger
09-22-2021, 02:05 AM
Yes there I was pming a friend not paying attention at all on the mobs.

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I see. Hey encryptions, i respect you looking out for warriors but we have to be aware of the maps being completely unique now.

Vardan valley was like shuyal arena, half baked, empty'ish and bugged.

This expansion is brand new and the developers actually polished it and filled it with details. We should observe and learn the new essentials then creating an echo chamber of complaints... This isn't directed at you. It's directed to everyone.

(Anyone thinking of harassing encryptions, please be rational and constructive. Or if you have nothing nice to say, disperse instead. Thanks.)

Aldous
09-22-2021, 02:37 AM
Well, give me your name at stake. I want to see how professional you are if you die 1 time. I call you a fool for thinking that not dying in an expa this deadly is being "better"I didn't say I'm better than you or anyone. My point is, there are a whooole lot of strategies you can apply to keep yourself from dying despite the maps being so "deadly" as you claim. Use these strategies to your advantage instead of mindlessly attacking literally everything in new maps then complain in forums about dying too much.

Flamesofanger
09-22-2021, 02:54 AM
I didn't say I'm better than you or anyone. My point is, there are a whooole lot of strategies you can apply to keep yourself from dying despite the maps being so "deadly" as you claim. Use these strategies to your advantage instead of mindlessly attacking literally everything in new maps then complain in forums about dying too much.

I agree with you. After this expansion it has became very obvious that Arcane Legends was nearly on it's way to becoming an other generic, boring mindless button mashing Korean-esque MMORPG on the market along with the millions of clones viz a viz....

It seems people lost their way and arcane legends identity for strategies nearly fizzled out as you can see with people wanting to be a class that is supposed to deal low damage (Warriors in every game out there never deal much damage to begin with) to deal millions per hit.

We should be thankful the developers allow warriors to have an ultimate that gives 6x str.

The fact i saw people here asking for 2x ult and proc stacking (This will exclude all new players and only current/Rich players will benefit this) to be a thing was mind boggling and proved to me they don't know what they're talking about.

Like these guys clearly care only about themselves. At this point they should just be banned or just quit honestly. Better for the community and the games health for the toxic cancer to be diagnosed and cured.

Nocturnus
09-22-2021, 03:14 AM
I agree with you. After this expansion it has became very obvious that Arcane Legends was nearly on it's way to becoming an other generic, boring mindless button mashing Korean-esque MMORPG on the market along with the millions of clones viz a viz....

It seems people lost their way and arcane legends identity for strategies nearly fizzled out as you can see with people wanting to be a class that is supposed to deal low damage (Warriors in every game out there never deal much damage to begin with) to deal millions per hit.

We should be thankful the developers allow warriors to have an ultimate that gives 6x str.

The fact i saw people here asking for 2x ult and proc stacking (This will exclude all new players and only current/Rich players will benefit this) to be a thing was mind boggling and proved to me they don't know what they're talking about.

Like these guys clearly care only about themselves. At this point they should just be banned or just quit honestly. Better for the community and the games health for the toxic cancer to be diagnosed and cured.

Yes, it would probably only be you and 10 more crazy people in the forums. this expansion is horrible and riddled with bugs. And if it's as good as you say, why doesn't anyone play it? enter the map and please go to 1 of the 4 empty maps of the expansion before talking nonsense.

Formature
09-22-2021, 03:26 AM
Why don't you better do a comparison of what a rogue did in the war 76 comparison at that time? Stop crying seriously, kid. The warriors killed everything in 3 seconds. The rogue didn't do that when the maximum was level 76 (rule out your case, you have a lot of gold to equip, don't mention yourself as an "example").
I can't believe you're stupid enough to waste 2 hours trying it knowing that the game is for team play.the funny part is that with just one sentence any war can contradict you and prove that you don't even know what you're talking about, lets go:

If rogues were really bad, why was it necessary to nerf the warrior class instead of boosting the rogue class to make rogues a good class again?

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Flamesofanger
09-22-2021, 03:40 AM
Yes, it would probably only be you and 10 more people.

You know what....you're actually right. If it means i get to play with only 10 people who are highly likely to remember simple patterns for more then the amount of seconds i can count with each finger on both my hands....then im sold!

Finally, to play the game and use *God forgive me for mentioning this forbidden set of complex methods* My eyes and critical thinking skills....i will die peacefully lol

marian.bumbar
09-22-2021, 03:47 AM
I see that players forgot how hard was to run a new content in solo mode . Even harder after 2 years of being able to clear in a blink . Be happy and be friendly guys . Now you need friends more then ever .

PS gg STS you delivered!


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Marosok
09-22-2021, 03:53 AM
Reason why people are dying is because nobody cares to play their role. Role playing is a myth in this game. Everyone wants to put Rambo's headband and pew, pew, pew. I see dps jumping in big pools and dying, i see warriors not healing team. Everyone is damage focused.

1. If every class would play their role, we would not need "balance changes". Warrior would go in front, grab 1 mob or few, both dps would hit them and use buff/support spells to kill, against reflection shields and debuffs warrior would use horn, pets would be timed to cover mistakes or as support to buff stats. Well, but this is just bed time story i believe STS is trying to bring to life at all cost.
2. Majority wants to be fast, in killing, in farming gold, running events (in short: playing game).

Both visions have pros and cons, but AL has evolved from 1st to 2nd and from reading forums and talking to friends in game i believe 2nd option is more welcomed by majority. Who cares, if someone dies few times, there are ankhs to stand up on same position. Who cares, that warrior can heal you and keep team alive, it just slows run and everyone wants to be efficient in farming.

No offense
5k pts OP is proud about is great result, but be honest, was it hard to earn this while running Ekenta's map endlessly in 4x dps party each 10-15sec?

Nocturnus
09-22-2021, 03:59 AM
You know what....you're actually right. If it means i get to play with only 10 people who are highly likely to remember simple patterns for more then the amount of seconds i can count with each finger on both my hands....then im sold!

Finally, to play the game and use *God forgive me for mentioning this forbidden set of complex methods* My eyes and critical thinking skills....i will die peacefully lol

a mob exploding into a thousand pieces and killing everyone around it, wow what a complex mechanic!

Nocturnus
09-22-2021, 04:06 AM
Reason why people are dying is because nobody cares to play their role. Role playing is a myth in this game. Everyone wants to put Rambo's headband and pew, pew, pew. I see dps jumping in big pools and dying, i see warriors not healing team. Everyone is damage focused.

1. If every class would play their role, we would not need "balance changes". Warrior would go in front, grab 1 mob or few, both dps would hit them and use buff/support spells to kill, against reflection shields and debuffs warrior would use horn, pets would be timed to cover mistakes or as support to buff stats. Well, but this is just bed time story i believe STS is trying to bring to life at all cost.
2. Majority wants to be fast, in killing, in farming gold, running events (in short: playing game).

Both visions have pros and cons, but AL has evolved from 1st to 2nd and from reading forums and talking to friends in game i believe 2nd option is more welcomed by majority. Who cares, if someone dies few times, there are ankhs to stand up on same position. Who cares, that warrior can heal you and keep team alive, it just slows run and everyone wants to be efficient in farming.

No offense
5k pts OP is proud about is great result, but be honest, was it hard to earn this while running Ekenta's map endlessly in 4x dps party each 10-15sec?

I see rogues literally "shattered by random lightning"

Marosok
09-22-2021, 04:06 AM
Here is the video. https://youtu.be/vxjqCiXNrEM

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At time 2:13 you should have used rage ultimate to destroy it. Lol
:)

umarrahim
09-22-2021, 04:24 AM
the funny part is that with just one sentence any war can contradict you and prove that you don't even know what you're talking about, lets go:

If rogues were really bad, why was it necessary to nerf the warrior class instead of boosting the rogue class to make rogues a good class again?

Enviado de meu SM-J260M usando o TapatalkDPS would still be better even if proc stacking existed. You guys need to start thinking lol instead of mindlessly blaming proc stacking nerfs.

The new maps are boss-only maps similar to infested and hydra. Warriors aren't needed there. Please THINK.

Unless warriors can out-dps bd rogs and mages, they won't be needed in those maps proc stacking or not. THINK

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Formature
09-22-2021, 04:56 AM
DPS would still be better even if proc stacking existed. You guys need to start thinking lol instead of mindlessly blaming proc stacking nerfs.

The new maps are boss-only maps similar to infested and hydra. Warriors aren't needed there. Please THINK.

Unless warriors can out-dps bd rogs and mages, they won't be needed in those maps proc stacking or not. THINK

Sent from my GM1913 using TapatalkCan't you understand that if there had never been a proc stack there wouldn't be anyone complaining? the fact is that sts knowing everything (it wasn't a bug and never was) added this to the game and simply removed it , no one is blaming proc stacking , anyway rogue and mage have 2 proc 76 weapons that match unlike war and this is solely sts' fault because she's the one who made this whole mess.

I think the ones who need to THINK are you Rogues who asked to nerf classes in PVE, this is already self-explanatory...

obviously the new portals are the same as hydra/orrick , obviously that Rogues and mages will dominate and we know very well that proc stacking will not change that but it will make the warriors serve as something no longer even as a tank are being useful because of these instakills of the bosses.
Knowing that the new maps are for rogues/mages, evg was for war and the rogues insisted on nerfing the war when in reality it was the mages who took the rogues slots (I think the ones who should have thought back there were you), you are telling me to think of something but when it was the Rogues that should think you didn't think.

we know very well that even with proc stacking mages and rogues will continue to be the main damage classes, we warriors could act like retards and ask for nerf rogues like the rogues did with warriors, but we know that nerfing a class in PVE is something totally nonsense.
we just want the warriors to have enough damage to be at least useful vs the bosses.


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umarrahim
09-22-2021, 05:03 AM
Can't you understand that if there had never been a proc stack there wouldn't be anyone complaining? the fact is that sts knowing everything (it wasn't a bug and never was) added this to the game and simply removed it , no one is blaming proc stacking , anyway rogue and mage have 2 proc 76 weapons that match unlike war and this is solely sts' fault because she's the one who made this whole mess.

I think the ones who need to THINK are you Rogues who asked to nerf classes in PVE, this is already self-explanatory...

obviously the new portals are the same as hydra/orrick , obviously that rogues and mages will dominate and we know very well that proc stacking will not change that but it will make the warriors do something since they are not serving as a "tank" of those instakill.
Knowing that the new maps are for rogues/mages, evg was for war and the rogues insisted on nerfing the war when in reality it was the mages who took the rogues slots (I think the ones who should have thought back there were you), you are telling me to think of something but when it was the Rogues that should think you didn't think.

we know very well that even with proc stacking mages and rogues will continue to be the main damage classes, we warriors could act like retards and ask for nerf rogues like the rogues did with warriors, but we know that nerfing a class in PVE is something totally nonsense.
we just want the warriors to have enough damage to be at least useful vs the bosses.


Enviado de meu SM-J260M usando o TapatalkIf warriors are doing enough dmg to replace a dps class then they aren't really warriors, lol.

The maps are designed to make dps dominate. Even if warriors get proc stacking, it won't fix this issue.

There are only 2 ways to fix the situation without the addition of proc stacking.

1) Make EVG drop more gold, it was the only map where warriors are necessary. It was designed to make warriors useful to tank the mobs. I played EVG yesterday to try it out, and warriors are clearing waves just fine with 1 weapon proc; proc stack isn't needed. But due to the nerf to EVG, ppl aren't running it anymore.

2) As I said on another post, cause these new boss-only maps to instakill all party members unless they are 100%invulnerable by Horn of Renew. This way, all parties will have to include 1 warrior.

Nerfing Rogs or Buffing warrs won't fix anything. Rogs, as a class, is designed to kill bosses, and if at any point warriors are dealing equivalent damage to boss as rogues, then that's imbalanced.

Again, the problem is the design of the new maps that's causing warriors to be useless, not the removal of proc stacking, and with this I rest my case

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Formature
09-22-2021, 05:26 AM
If warriors are doing enough dmg to replace a dps class then they aren't really warriors, lol.

The maps are designed to make dps dominate. Even if warriors get proc stacking, it won't fix this issue.

There are only 2 ways to fix the situation without the addition of proc stacking.

1) Make EVG drop more gold, it was the only map where warriors are necessary. It was designed to make warriors useful to tank the mobs. I played EVG yesterday to try it out, and warriors are clearing waves just fine with 1 weapon proc; proc stack isn't needed. But due to the nerf to EVG, ppl aren't running it anymore.

2) As I said on another post, cause these new boss-only maps to instakill all party members unless they are 100%invulnerable by Horn of Renew. This way, all parties will have to include 1 warrior.

Nerfing Rogs or Buffing warrs won't fix anything. Rogs, as a class, is designed to kill bosses, and if at any point warriors are dealing equivalent damage to boss as rogues, then that's imbalanced.

Again, the problem is the design of the new maps that's causing warriors to be useless, not the removal of proc stacking, and with this I rest my case

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in AL warrior it is a mix of tanker(defenser) with dps Fighter, and he was never stronger than rogue, as you said the new map was made for rogues/mages to stand out and evg for warrior, although rogues were never bad in evg , and were replaced by mages and not warriors :).

war dealing the same damage that rogue is really an imbalance but being useless to the point of not even tanking is by far a balancing act.

the problem is not just the design of the map, but that it took 2 years to release a map and saying that it would have an incredible balance that would need the 3 classes to go through each map one of them and in the end it ended up being less balanced than the others ( i know that arcanes 81 will still have to come and i hope it really is balanced but until then it will stay that way ).

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umarrahim
09-22-2021, 05:30 AM
in AL warrior it is a mix of tanker(defenser) with dps Fighter, and he was never stronger than rogue, as you said the new map was made for rogues/mages to stand out and evg for warrior, although rogues were never bad in evg , and were replaced by mages and not warriors :).

war dealing the same damage that rogue is really an imbalance but being useless to the point of not even tanking is by far a balancing act.

the problem is not just the design of the map, but that it took 2 years to release a map and saying that it would have an incredible balance that would need the 3 classes to go through each map one of them and in the end it ended up being less balanced than the others ( i know that arcanes 81 will still have to come and i hope it really is balanced but until then it will stay that way ).

Enviado de meu SM-J260M usando o TapatalkI have already provided a simple solution.... cause these new gold loot maps bosses to instakill all party members unless they are shielded by Horn of Renew.

Warriors will then be useful, and timing this ability correctly would require skill ^^

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Formature
09-22-2021, 05:34 AM
I have already provided a simple solution.... cause these new gold loot maps bosses to instakill all party members unless they are shielded by Horn of Renew.

Warriors will then be useful, and timing this ability correctly would require skill ^^

Sent from my GM1913 using Tapatalkactually that wouldn't be enough since groucho AA does the same thing you're suggesting.

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umarrahim
09-22-2021, 05:37 AM
actually that wouldn't be enough since groucho AA does the same thing you're suggesting.

Enviado de meu SM-J260M usando o TapatalkHehe yeah, it's Glowstick AA, hence they will need to re-adjust that pet.

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09-22-2021, 05:49 AM
Hehe yeah, it's Glowstick AA, hence they will need to re-adjust that pet.

Sent from my GM1913 using TapatalkI don't know if the glow is countering the instakill , the groucho I know is coutering the instakill in the last portal.
Maybe it's not a good idea to readjust the pet, they should to increase the mob spawn making it necessary a war in the pt to have time to load the ultimate since with 4 rogues/mages it's not even necessary to have ulti (I mean the last portal because it's the only one that was really bad for warrior before this last hp and damage boost update)

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snakeeyes
09-22-2021, 06:31 AM
Reason why people are dying is because nobody cares to play their role. Role playing is a myth in this game. Everyone wants to put Rambo's headband and pew, pew, pew. I see dps jumping in big pools and dying, i see warriors not healing team. Everyone is damage focused.

1. If every class would play their role, we would not need "balance changes". Warrior would go in front, grab 1 mob or few, both dps would hit them and use buff/support spells to kill, against reflection shields and debuffs warrior would use horn, pets would be timed to cover mistakes or as support to buff stats. Well, but this is just bed time story i believe STS is trying to bring to life at all cost.
2. Majority wants to be fast, in killing, in farming gold, running events (in short: playing game).

Both visions have pros and cons, but AL has evolved from 1st to 2nd and from reading forums and talking to friends in game i believe 2nd option is more welcomed by majority. Who cares, if someone dies few times, there are ankhs to stand up on same position. Who cares, that warrior can heal you and keep team alive, it just slows run and everyone wants to be efficient in farming.

No offense
5k pts OP is proud about is great result, but be honest, was it hard to earn this while running Ekenta's map endlessly in 4x dps party each 10-15sec?

This is right i see this too, while running on a map even if there is each class on a map it is just like running solo because there not doing their job, no cooperation on killing. Every class want to deal damage and kill fast just like marathon to kill but not all but sometimes there is.

snakeeyes
09-22-2021, 06:54 AM
I don't know if the glow is countering the instakill , the groucho I know is coutering the instakill in the last portal.
Maybe it's not a good idea to readjust the pet, they should to increase the mob spawn making it necessary a war in the pt to have time to load the ultimate since with 4 rogues/mages it's not even necessary to have ulti (I mean the last portal because it's the only one that was really bad for warrior before this last hp and damage boost update)

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Thanks for the info about groucho.