Proc stacking should be avilable in maps level 76 and below

[Vrazicak]

I'm sure there will be a lot of people disagreeing, but I as a warrior find it hard to solo elite varden maps, which are almost always empty, I don't care about the gold loot, you can reduce it so it doesn't pay off more than farming the new maps.

I just want the proc stacking to return to the old maps since I'm working on getting all the aps and without the proc stacking, soloing the elite varden maps will just take too long. Also the mausoleum maps are just ridicilous without the proc stacking, the maps that should've been outdated a long time ago.

I don't see the way this being implemented like this would harm the game in any way or shape.
I want to hear your guys' opinions, what do you think, is it a good idea?

[kulldeepboro]

bro if they had stack proc then sts cant make money

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[Kolpertis_333]

Ah yes, cuz who doesn't want to see mages with 2 million dmg, warriors beeing able to kill everything including bosses in 0.1 second and rogues beeing able to tank any kind of attack from infinite amount of enemies while at the same time dealing 1m dps.

After all, people were able to do mauso aps and a bunch of other elite maps aps during that lvl cap, without proc stacking and without complaining, I think that you, as a lvl 81 player will do just fine farming maps lvl 76-

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[firebelt & crystalkiller]

Ah yes, cuz who doesn't want to see mages with 2 million dmg, warriors beeing able to kill everything including bosses in 0.1 second and rogues beeing able to tank any kind of attack from infinite amount of enemies while at the same time dealing 1m dps.

After all, people were able to do mauso aps and a bunch of other elite maps aps during that lvl cap, without proc stacking and without complaining, I think that you, as a lvl 81 player will do just fine farming maps lvl 76-

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkNo one asked for broken weapons m8..proc stacking just increased skillcap if balanced rightly..they can't do it..less manpower maybe ...it's a small studio can't blame.
Rn 100%(dragkin was exception bfor proc stack nerf) content is purely for the rich/no-lifers...tell me a single event where others can win(leaderboard).


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[Stephencobear]

No broken mechanics need to return so anyone can do unnecessary aps
Coordinate with guildies or forumers who also need them

Personally I think gold should be nerfed in marsh and evg gold drops should be reverted to encourage ppl to play there and not in old easy maps

[QuaseT]

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I'm quite happy with the current balance. Not perfect but better than evg at the end of last cap. 76 elite maps are easy now at 81. I think devs confirmed they wont bring any proc stacking back in their announcement thread. Leaderboards seem quite fair to me... or at least not more unfair than at any other point in time.

[Kolpertis_333]

No one asked for broken weapons m8..proc stacking just increased skillcap if balanced rightly..they can't do it..less manpower maybe ...it's a small studio can't blame.
Rn 100%(dragkin was exception bfor proc stack nerf) content is purely for the rich/no-lifers...tell me a single event where others can win(leaderboard).


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I dissagree with you, proc stacking removed skill from the game and removing proc stacking added skill to the game, now we actually have to dodge attacks while before all we had to do was activate 1 proc and all other procs would activate themselfs and kill everything near you in 5 seconds, yeah so much skill.

And about the event thing you said.. People get on lb on energy events without spending a single dollar and occasionally some gold all the time, even top 10 class, sure it takes a lot of grinding but ofc it does, its a lb, only event that is mainly for the rich is temple (solo), there it doesnt matter how godlike your skills are, unless you have an extremely good set you aint going nowhere

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[firebelt & crystalkiller]

I dissagree with you, proc stacking removed skill from the game and removing proc stacking added skill to the game, now we actually have to dodge attacks while before all we had to do was activate 1 proc and all other procs would activate themselfs and kill everything near you in 5 seconds, yeah so much skill.

And about the event thing you said.. People get on lb on energy events without spending a single dollar and occasionally some gold all the time, even top 10 class, sure it takes a lot of grinding but ofc it does, its a lb, only event that is mainly for the rich is temple (solo), there it doesnt matter how godlike your skills are, unless you have an extremely good set you aint going nowhere

Sent from my VOG-L29 using TapatalkI was #1 solo and #1 party with 1600 str against ppl with 2300 str that answers your 2nd statement.
And Incase of other events other than temple you have to spent 12-16 hrs every day for 2-3 weeks if u wanna get without spending gold for energy. That's way beyond abnormal, ofc I compare to other games..if u wanna know which lmk..ive been on multiple game lbs.
other than arlor egghunt which don't need time for lb, but that innately requires gold.

In evg I don't think because of procstacking you don't have to dodge..you might wanna look at evg videos on yt bfor nerf..I got my own yt channel if you want.
https://youtu.be/8qj2SppHV5c
I don't just stand there and melt boss in 5 scnds.. I spent many months grinding to get the mechanics right and doing things perfectly.actually right now because of busted 81 weps we melt bosses in 0.5 scnd?. have you seen orrick/hydra lb? Go take a look..

See ...I don't mean any toxicity or anything...just want to have a discussion to know why people think what they think. :)
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[QuaseT]

I was #1 solo and #1 party with 1600 str against ppl with 2300 str that answers your 2nd statement.
And Incase of other events other than temple you have to spent 12-16 hrs every day for 2-3 weeks if u wanna get without spending gold for energy. That's way beyond abnormal, ofc I compare to other games..if u wanna know which lmk..ive been on multiple game lbs.
other than arlor egghunt which don't need time for lb, but that innately requires gold.

In evg I don't think because of procstacking you don't have to dodge..you might wanna look at evg videos on yt bfor nerf..I got my own yt channel if you want.
https://youtu.be/8qj2SppHV5c
I don't just stand there and melt boss in 5 scnds.. I spent many months grinding to get the mechanics right and doing things perfectly.actually right now because of busted 81 weps we melt bosses in 0.5 scnd?. have you seen orrick/hydra lb? Go take a look..

See ...I don't mean any toxicity or anything...just want to have a discussion to know why people think what they think. :)
Sent from my MAR-LX1A using TapatalkI agree that you need certain gamesense to run lb or temple. I had one of the best mage sets at 71 and still had to try a few times for top 10. What I see a bit different is that an extremly good set doesnt necessarily mean most str. I see you are using 5 different loadouts with diverse expencive pieces of equipment in the video. Few players had all these items. I define that as extremely good set.

[firebelt & crystalkiller]

I agree that you need certain gamesense to run lb or temple. I had one of the best mage sets at 71 and still had to try a few times for top 10. What I see a bit different is that an extremly good set doesnt necessarily mean most str. I see you are using 5 different loadouts with diverse expencive pieces of equipment in the video. Few players had all these items. I define that as extremely good set.That's part of being endgame isn't it..whoever can't afford it should get the gold and it's part of the fun..I think all can agree the grind from zero to endgame is the most fun.
Idc if lbs cost gold and fair amount of time(2-4 hrs per day) but rn it's impossible unless you no-life it..

In temple I used 180ish m set(talking about dragkin not swamp btw)
If properly played 180m is fairly easy to make. I made 200m in 3 months from 0 gold in 2020 march - somewhere around June.

Also for the note I'm not insisting on bringing back proc stacking..cuz it's too late I guess?
But endgame suuuucks rn..no motivation to do anything other than long-term merch/vanity hoard(lbs ND all). My drive was getting wave based/skill based lbs which right now is cringe and boring so I'm taking brake till sts adds proper endgame.

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[gobbels]

Honestly i do miss prock stacking as warrior. (but only for mobs). Current myths seem good at bosses. Hopefully this would solve the "need" for prock stacking, once warrior gets new 81arc wep, that hopefuly would work on crowds.

But i think the former "prock stack equipments" should be have more use now, with like crafting, or maybe breaking arcane weps into components, that would have some use for crafting some new equip/pets.

[QuaseT]

That's part of being endgame isn't it..whoever can't afford it should get the gold and it's part of the fun..I think all can agree the grind from zero to endgame is the most fun.
Idc if lbs cost gold and fair amount of time(2-4 hrs per day) but rn it's impossible unless you no-life it..

In temple I used 180ish m set(talking about dragkin not swamp btw)
If properly played 180m is fairly easy to make. I made 200m in 3 months from 0 gold in 2020 march - somewhere around June.

Also for the note I'm not insisting on bringing back proc stacking..cuz it's too late I guess?
But endgame suuuucks rn..no motivation to do anything other than long-term merch/vanity hoard(lbs ND all). My drive was getting wave based/skill based lbs which right now is cringe and boring so I'm taking brake till sts adds proper endgame.

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using TapatalkThats alright everybody got their preferences. I personally stopped playing temple events and sold the gear because I played and won once. I didnt like evg because I was told to stand behind a wall most of the time and it seemed more repetitive than non-wave maps. Im alright with the impact gear progression has on lbs. Dragkin temple event does indeed require skill but gold/gear aswell. So I'd consider it is somewhere in between both extrema.

[firebelt & crystalkiller]

Thats alright everybody got their preferences. I personally stopped playing temple events and sold the gear because I played and won once. I didnt like evg because I was told to stand behind a wall most of the time and it seemed more repetitive than non-wave maps. Im alright with the impact gear progression has on lbs. Dragkin temple event does indeed require skill but gold/gear aswell. So I'd consider it is somewhere in between both extrema.Yea the game is unique..and I wish it gl. 90% of community is so damn good.
It's hard to tottaly quit so you most prolly will see many old players sooner or later lurking around.
Just not my type of content currently but I'll wait while merching and accumulating vast wealth [emoji857].

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[Switchback]

The new maps are empty enough, this would just put people back farming gates. Tired of hiding behind a wall watching 1 class play.

[Kolpertis_333]

I was #1 solo and #1 party with 1600 str against ppl with 2300 str that answers your 2nd statement.
And Incase of other events other than temple you have to spent 12-16 hrs every day for 2-3 weeks if u wanna get without spending gold for energy. That's way beyond abnormal, ofc I compare to other games..if u wanna know which lmk..ive been on multiple game lbs.
other than arlor egghunt which don't need time for lb, but that innately requires gold.

In evg I don't think because of procstacking you don't have to dodge..you might wanna look at evg videos on yt bfor nerf..I got my own yt channel if you want.
https://youtu.be/8qj2SppHV5c
I don't just stand there and melt boss in 5 scnds.. I spent many months grinding to get the mechanics right and doing things perfectly.actually right now because of busted 81 weps we melt bosses in 0.5 scnd?. have you seen orrick/hydra lb? Go take a look..

See ...I don't mean any toxicity or anything...just want to have a discussion to know why people think what they think. :)
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Yeah dw I'm not trying to argue either :)

I was actually gonna write pretty much the same thing qua did, but then I noticed he wrote it first so no point in you reading the same message twice, but my view of that is the same as his.

About evg dodging, before yes you needed to, but before damage reduction nerf, with mephisto, war was practically immortal and with a good party you could go on as long as you don't make any slip ups, what was clearly visable with evg scores during that time.

And I'm guessing you misunderstood me, but I didn't say we used to melt bosses in 0.1 second, I was saying that we would do that if proc stacking was still a thing, what is clearly visable by this ss by only using mythic 81's before nerfs :

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[Vrazicak]

I believe you guys misunderstood me, and believe me, new mythics won't help me solo anything easier than the dozer axe.
All I want is an equal chance every else lb player had before the nerf of the procs (aps gathering wise, not timed lb).

[Player AL]

I believe you guys misunderstood me, and believe me, new mythics won't help me solo anything easier than the dozer axe.
All I want is an equal chance every else lb player had before the nerf of the procs (aps gathering wise, not timed lb).

Be sure, maus aps at 61/66 was much harder than now (and other maps below maus too), u seriously asking for equal? then you shouldn't have any awake except weapon lol (for doing maus aps and lower), also shouldn't have strong procs like dozer axe, shouldn't have ultimate, and shouldnt be much higher lvl than mobs (as it was at 61lvl) and shouldnt have hotbars... for 'equal chance' as u said :D good luck with your selfish ideas

[IExposedYou]

Correct me if I’m wrong (I have not run evg pt nor have I ever been to high waves), but a warrior’s class is supposed to tank right? So in high evg waves the warrior is tanking the first few seconds because they’re immortal while the other classes are hiding. But the immortality doesn’t last forever that is why the other classes are needed. Without proc stacking and the nerf of damage reduction the immortality seems to be over? Again correct me if I’m wrong I haven’t played since nerf; I’m still lv76.

[firebelt & crystalkiller]

Correct me if I’m wrong (I have not run evg pt nor have I ever been to high waves), but a warrior’s class is supposed to tank right? So in high evg waves the warrior is tanking the first few seconds because they’re immortal while the other classes are hiding. But the immortality doesn’t last forever that is why the other classes are needed. Without proc stacking and the nerf of damage reduction the immortality seems to be over? Again correct me if I’m wrong I haven’t played since nerf; I’m still lv76.Idk why people keep saying that warrior is supposed to tank all the time.... 99% games have warrior like classes deal crazy dmg and/or be very tanky.
Consider league of legends/dota/ all moba's, other MMOs like new world, warcraft, you name it.
I agree it shouldn't be tanky + top dps alltogather forcing everyone playing other class to be at disadvantage but I'm p.sure that wasn't the case earlier.. rogues/mages were best at consistent dmg but warrior good at aggro/mob clearing/managing waves or whatever...and if mob clearing was too much they could've nerfed glint aegis alone.


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[QuaseT]

I believe you guys misunderstood me, and believe me, new mythics won't help me solo anything easier than the dozer axe.
All I want is an equal chance every else lb player had before the nerf of the procs (aps gathering wise, not timed lb).If you want an equal chance you have to reverse all benefits you have now compared to them too. The fact that gear used to proc stacking is cheaper now. That you are 5 levels above the 76 maps and players back then. That you have the possibilty to take advantage of mates of other classes with mythic weapons and 81 set. And on some level you had more time to do 76 elites than them.

[Vrazicak]

If you want an equal chance you have to reverse all benefits you have now compared to them too. The fact that gear used to proc stacking is cheaper now. That you are 5 levels above the 76 maps and players back then. That you have the possibilty to take advantage of mates of other classes with mythic weapons and 81 set. And on some level you had more time to do 76 elites than them.

I'm talking about soloing maps, I would have no problem if the maps were not as dead as they are, I hate being dependant and I have to be now, because warriors are as useful as deary.

[IExposedYou]

Idk why people keep saying that warrior is supposed to tank all the time.... 99% games have warrior like classes deal crazy dmg and/or be very tanky.
Consider league of legends/dota/ all moba's, other MMOs like new world, warcraft, you name it.
I agree it shouldn't be tanky + top dps alltogather forcing everyone playing other class to be at disadvantage but I'm p.sure that wasn't the case earlier.. rogues/mages were best at consistent dmg but warrior good at aggro/mob clearing/managing waves or whatever...and if mob clearing was too much they could've nerfed glint aegis alone.


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Agreed. A meta changing season would be cool. Mages were super op this season I heard before they nerfed their weapons. I for once was glad because warriors were getting all the complaints. But taking away all proc stacking took away the fun. It’s too late anyways but would have preferred a nerf on glint aegis only, or a limit to stacking two weapons (sword/aegis, gun/staff, and dagger/bow), or a significant boost to all available stats for teams consisting of all classes so that a 4 warrior team is not the ultimate combo. Maybe they’ll change it in the future *wish*

[QuaseT]

I'm talking about soloing maps, I would have no problem if the maps were not as dead as they are, I hate being dependant and I have to be now, because warriors are as useful as deary.So as I understand you want warriors to be buffed so they can solo elite valley. Why is the way to revert this fundamental concept? It doesnt seem fair to ask for benefits while still having additional advantage of 81 cap and elite valley nerf. Seems more fair and balanced to me to just ask for a buff of mythic weapons so you can solo valley with them.

[brid06]

Idk why people keep saying that warrior is supposed to tank all the time.... 99% games have warrior like classes deal crazy dmg and/or be very tanky.
Consider league of legends/dota/ all moba's, other MMOs like new world, warcraft, you name it.
I agree it shouldn't be tanky + top dps alltogather forcing everyone playing other class to be at disadvantage but I'm p.sure that wasn't the case earlier.. rogues/mages were best at consistent dmg but warrior good at aggro/mob clearing/managing waves or whatever...and if mob clearing was too much they could've nerfed glint aegis alone.


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[Vrazicak]

So as I understand you want warriors to be buffed so they can solo elite valley. Why is the way to revert this fundamental concept? It doesnt seem fair to ask for benefits while still having additional advantage of 81 cap and elite valley nerf. Seems more fair and balanced to me to just ask for a buff of mythic weapons so you can solo valley with them.

I'm not looking for anyone to be buffed, rogues and mages can easily solo the maps we're talking about, while the warriors can't do it nearly as easy, and it shouldn't be that way, cause this puts tanks in an unneccessary position, why would anyone need a tank if they're useless.
And I didn't ask for tanks to be the only class being able to stack procs, I'm asking for all classes, even though it's not needed for mages and rogues, you guys once again, got super op weapons both staff n gun and bow n daggers which melt both bosses and mobs, and I'm not even bothered by that I just want equality, cause tanks obviously have lost their part of taking damage ages ago in this game, and the other classes lost their roles too. So all I'm asking for is to not be depandant on other classes. At least not in the old maps.

[QuaseT]

I'm not looking for anyone to be buffed, rogues and mages can easily solo the maps we're talking about, while the warriors can't do it nearly as easy, and it shouldn't be that way, cause this puts tanks in an unneccessary position, why would anyone need a tank if they're useless.
And I didn't ask for tanks to be the only class being able to stack procs, I'm asking for all classes, even though it's not needed for mages and rogues, you guys once again, got super op weapons both staff n gun and bow n daggers which melt both bosses and mobs, and I'm not even bothered by that I just want equality, cause tanks obviously have lost their part of taking damage ages ago in this game, and the other classes lost their roles too. So all I'm asking for is to not be depandant on other classes. At least not in the old maps.Yes I got that and I agree that tanks lost their use in some maps but also gained some insane benefits, example hydra and orrick lb. If one class is significantly worse than others it should be buffed. Im not sure why you want proc stacking back if mages and rogues are doing just fine without. We dont need to revert a whole system for a single class in one map. A seperate solution for tank seems much more fitting. However, I stated my opinion and it isnt worth discussing this further since their decision has been made.

[Irg]

Yeah dw I'm not trying to argue either :)

I was actually gonna write pretty much the same thing qua did, but then I noticed he wrote it first so no point in you reading the same message twice, but my view of that is the same as his.

About evg dodging, before yes you needed to, but before damage reduction nerf, with mephisto, war was practically immortal and with a good party you could go on as long as you don't make any slip ups, what was clearly visable with evg scores during that time.

And I'm guessing you misunderstood me, but I didn't say we used to melt bosses in 0.1 second, I was saying that we would do that if proc stacking was still a thing, what is clearly visable by this ss by only using mythic 81's before nerfs :

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211119/4976cf15b2dced94b7ec69ba796b6e33.jpg

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Im pretty sure those were done when warrior aegis
can proc by swinging at thin air
Which is a bug

[Camelot]

No broken mechanics need to return so anyone can do unnecessary aps
Coordinate with guildies or forumers who also need them

Personally I think gold should be nerfed in marsh and evg gold drops should be reverted to encourage ppl to play there and not in old easy mapsI had to answer about that what you said.. and tell me please you was thinking about many players who was building thier gold loot sets by years, spending tons of money and time to get better one? Allready nerfing evg is a big hit to thoose people including me.. Dm is opened 24 hours around 2 times by week only. I lost lot of money allready and i wont to loose the rest. Nerfing deep marsh too will actually kill the game F2p people. What we will do in game? How we will stand up with the knees? Im ready to quite if deep marsh will be nerfed i will not handle this one.. Please respect all of kind players in game im a gold farmer i like to do it and im enjoying that. Im glad there is a map like deep marsh. Without that i dont know what i gonna do in game. Put yourselves in our place. My post is the voice of gold farmers which allready bleeding..

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[Xyv.io]

"I find it hard to solo elite valley maps" ... Well it's supposed to be hard especially when soloing.

[Vrazicak]

"I find it hard to solo elite valley maps" ... Well it's supposed to be hard especially when soloing.

Well if it's supposed to be hard why are mages and rogues soloing it so easy?

[Xyv.io]

Well if it's supposed to be hard why are mages and rogues soloing it so easy?
Cuz they are top lb players, you saying if they revert the thing you'll be on the lb? Look legolasn score how he got 250k on evg solo? He hacked?
Plus talk about other maps, wars can nuke bosses easily with new weaps, what about that lol?

[firebelt & crystalkiller]

Yea and tank Garen 1v9 the game

Sent from my Redmi 6A using TapatalkLul I mean in league it depends..anything can 1v9 if played right or if you let them do it..it's prolly the most balanced game I feel like.

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[Encryptions]

Warrior is the only class atm that will not be able to have a diverse scoreboard in temple. Rog and mage both can get above wave 115 easily with these new mythics; warrior on the other hand is missing its crowd killing ability. I don't think we need proc stacking since if that existed with these mythics then we would be doing over 100mil damage. War just needs its aegis reworked imo.

[Onawaoka]

As long as you’re 76 and not on the new maps


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[Stephencobear]

Lol
If wars could also handle crowds of mobs why need mages
Tf

[Vrazicak]

Lol
If wars could also handle crowds of mobs why need mages
Tf

The thing is, both rogues and mages melt mobs, and they melt bosses, tanks can't do anything when it comes to mobs.