Deep Marsh

[Avta]

A controversial topic, but as this is a discussion sub forums, it should be alright for me to post it. Please keep the discussion civil. Please read before bashing me xD, and give me your civilized thoughts.

As someone who farms gold, I think DM needs to be nerfed for quite obvious reasons.

1) It will make EVG alive

- Currently people stopped playing EVG since DM is so much better and a better use of their time.

- if they both give equal gold, players won't have a preference over the other so they'll likely play both.

2) Help reduce inflation and boost economy

- If both DM and EVG are giving half the gold they used to, then in long term, items prices will drop.

- The economy will get healthier.

- Think about it, the value of gold will increase as there is less supply of gold. So basically, you'll be earning the same value of gold you used to before the nerfs, but with lower numbers.

(Think, would u rather pay a bucket full of money to buy a bread, or a single coin which worth as much as a full bucket of coin)

~Avta~


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[Kolpertis_333]

Yes, yes, 100x yes...

I also think lvl 81 maps should be updated.. There's really no point in doing them since dm is just better.... Even when evg was great for farming, dm was still a bit better, there's a video from someone about it on yt, the difference was not big, but there was still a difference...

In other words dm has been the best map to farm 4th year in a row.. That's just ridicilous

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[Xuds]

Nerf dm old map its ridiculous that it still gives good gold no one runs new maps or evg bc dm is way easier/better

[perdanaislam]

Nerf dm? Where new player farm lol.?:v sts can't do that..

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[Camelot]

A controversial topic, but as this is a discussion sub forums, it should be alright for me to post it. Please keep the discussion civil. Please read before bashing me xD, and give me your civilized thoughts.

As someone who farms gold, I think DM needs to be nerfed for quite obvious reasons.

1) It will make EVG alive

- Currently people stopped playing EVG since DM is so much better and a better use of their time.

- if they both give equal gold, players won't have a preference over the other so they'll likely play both.

2) Help reduce inflation and boost economy

- If both DM and EVG are giving half the gold they used to, then in long term, items prices will drop.

- The economy will get healthier.

- Think about it, the value of gold will increase as there is less supply of gold. So basically, you'll be earning the same value of gold you used to before the nerfs, but with lower numbers.

(Think, would u rather pay a bucket full of money to buy a bread, or a single coin which worth as much as a full bucket of coin)

~Avta~


Sent from my GM1913 using TapatalkYou was thinking about gold loot users? Economy is stabil right now why you want so much to nerf dm and again rip all economy in game? Probably you sold gold loot gears and now want to rebuy i guess or are there other reasons idk. I know you btw we met in game you rich allready and cant understand orhers. You farmed tons of money let others make some. Im not salty but whenever im reading new ideas i see your posts and you allways want nerf something. Im disagree its unacceptable

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[snakeeyes]

-1 big no for nerf gl, need just buffs the goldloot all zodias map, if dm will nerf every player will wait for good event only to play the game

[Avta]

Nerf dm? Where new player farm lol.?:v sts can't do that..

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[Terracraft]

No,bring back the legendary ESG!!!!!

[snakeeyes]

No,bring back the legendary ESG!!!!!

+10000 agree😆😆😆 favor to new player + bring back the goldloot on hydra bog

[gobbels]

Dont think sts sees inflation as problem, they added recently new more op gold loot set :3

[dualray]

Instead of nerfing this nerfing that, why not buff other maps’ gold drop.
Worse case, why not buff dm bosses instead of nerf the gold?

I would want to see coming new elite maps with better drop not necessary gold but something like elite puzzle box style of rare drops with requirement of platinum purchased elixer like northal.


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[Camelot]

After nerfing dm we will throw up our gold loot sets on dumpster? Do you know how much people will lost money? This will be a disaster

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[Avta]

After nerfing dm we will throw up our gold loot sets on dumpster? Do you know how much people will lost money? This will be a disaster

Wysłane z mojego RMX2193 przy użyciu TapatalkaIf you read the post, you'll see that people will farm both maps.

The value of gold gained after nerfs will be the same, just the numbers will be lower.

The only reason people don't farm EVG is because DM gives more gold, prove me wrong.

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[Analytical]

After nerfing dm we will throw up our gold loot sets on dumpster? Do you know how much people will lost money? This will be a disaster

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Why do you insist on dm farming?
Is that the only possible map to farm gold?
Your telling me the only reason to play the game is farm at DM for hours and hours? And that's fun for you?

Are you aware that
1. Expansion would definitely mean nerfing "old maps" + buffing "new maps"?
2. Many People used to farm at elite Southern Gates before DM was introduced? ​
3. New maps would get easier over time as we get new arcane gears just like how DM & EVG did?

And say if DM never gets a nerf, why would people run expansion/new maps when they have a far easier map(DM) to run?

What's the whole point of expansion then? Just for you to take pictures?

[QuaseT]

+1 on dm gold nerf. 1/2 seems fair.

[Camelot]

Why do you insist on dm farming?
Is that the only possible map to farm gold?
Your telling me the only reason to play the game is farm at DM for hours and hours? And that's fun for you?

Are you aware that
1. Expansion would definitely mean nerfing "old maps" + buffing "new maps"?
2. Many People used to farm at elite Southern Gates before DM was introduced? ​
3. New maps would get easier over time as we get new arcane gears just like how DM & EVG did?

And say if DM never gets a nerf, why would people run expansion/new maps when they have a far easier map(DM) to run?

What's the whole point of expansion then? Just for you to take pictures?Bro im not able to run new maps bcs im too poor what is more i dont have money for op new equipment to farm new maps. Make new weapons value around 20m and lets go nerf what do you want. Or give me 50m for new weapon and im ready for everything. I must bring here more community and they will tell you what they thinking about your plans. Im not alone in thinking that dm shouldnt be nerfed. I like farming one map with stabil profit by hours why you cant understand me nerfing dm will cut my profits 100% im not doing much other things but this one i love to do. For others its boring for me new maps are too hard and boring what is more someone have to cary me there and i also getting nothing there. Never so any good loot so far in new maps mayby once thariel which costs 800k zzz.

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[Formature]

A controversial topic, but as this is a discussion sub forums, it should be alright for me to post it. Please keep the discussion civil. Please read before bashing me xD, and give me your civilized thoughts.

As someone who farms gold, I think DM needs to be nerfed for quite obvious reasons.

1) It will make EVG alive

- Currently people stopped playing EVG since DM is so much better and a better use of their time.

- if they both give equal gold, players won't have a preference over the other so they'll likely play both.

2) Help reduce inflation and boost economy

- If both DM and EVG are giving half the gold they used to, then in long term, items prices will drop.

- The economy will get healthier.

- Think about it, the value of gold will increase as there is less supply of gold. So basically, you'll be earning the same value of gold you used to before the nerfs, but with lower numbers.

(Think, would u rather pay a bucket full of money to buy a bread, or a single coin which worth as much as a full bucket of coin)

~Avta~


Sent from my GM1913 using Tapatalkthe AL community is really strange, players ask for nerf classes in pve and now they ask for nerf the gold farm that benefit themselves...

[3words8letters]

You was thinking about gold loot users? Economy is stabil right now why you want so much to nerf dm and again rip all economy in game? Probably you sold gold loot gears and now want to rebuy i guess or are there other reasons idk. I know you btw we met in game you rich allready and cant understand orhers. You farmed tons of money let others make some. Im not salty but whenever im reading new ideas i see your posts and you allways want nerf something. Im disagree its unacceptable

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[Avta]

+1 xD i think he wants gl price drop xD

Sent from my RMX2040 using TapatalkNah, just want EVG to be alive, and for that to happen healthily, DM needs to be nerfed.

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[Oakmaiden]

I have 555% gl gear and I do not farm dm or evg, as those maps are BORING AF... Bring on the nerf, both dm and evg,nerfing old maps is usual and customary. It happens to all old maps.

[Ilove_Poopoo]

If you read the post, you'll see that people will farm both maps.

The value of gold gained after nerfs will be the same, just the numbers will be lower.

The only reason people don't farm EVG is because DM gives more gold, prove me wrong.

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Even if DM is nerfed, will people really farm Evg? Examine the price curves of farming equipment before and after. Ava/Greed sets, as well as Bd gears, had dropped by up to 50%.

Check out the significant number of farmers who have sold off their gears and shifted their expenditures toward vanities thereafter (forums threads between September 15 to October 15); this is one of the reasons why vanities have suddenly started to rise after the expansion, despite the nerf... Hundreds of farmers who sold their farming equipent now have millions to spend.

Proving you wrong is a fallacious statement when you haven't proven your claim with actual responses from farmers of what they'll do when DM gets nerfered, your premise. Perhaps create a poll? because I'd say they'll just quit or sell of their gear.

Lastly, the "value of gold after the nerfs will be the same" sounds wrong, can you explain why that is? Because this is only true if the only gold to be generated in game were from these maps.
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[Camelot]

I have 555% gl gear and I do not farm dm or evg, as those maps are BORING AF... Bring on the nerf, both dm and evg,nerfing old maps is usual and customary. It happens to all old maps.How many runs you did succesfull in new maps? In dm you have some profits in herelcion you farming deaths

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[Switchback]

How many runs you did succesfull in new maps? In dm you have some profits in herelcion you farming deaths

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The first map of Zodia is easy. Invest in gear instead of vanities and your success rated will go up. Gold in that map is actually good.

[Devine2021]

How many runs you did succesfull in new maps? In dm you have some profits in herelcion you farming deaths

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[Devine2021]

Even if DM is nerfed, will people really farm Evg? Examine the price curves of farming equipment before and after. Ava/Greed sets, as well as Bd gears, had dropped by up to 50%.

Check out the significant number of farmers who have sold off their gears and shifted their expenditures toward vanities thereafter (forums threads between September 15 to October 15); this is one of the reasons why vanities have suddenly started to rise after the expansion, despite the nerf... Hundreds of farmers who sold their farming equipent now have millions to spend.

Proving you wrong is a fallacious statement when you haven't proven your claim with actual responses from farmers of what they'll do when DM gets nerfered, your premise. Perhaps create a poll? because I'd say they'll just quit or sell of their gear.

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[Werner]

-1 nerve

1. The more places we have to farm gold the better. Why try force everyone in one direction? The more choice the better for more people. Everyone has got own likes and preferences.

2. Dm is much more fun IMO. Actually run a map and defeat 6 different bosses instead of standing in one place fighting Same boss Boring.

3. If ure argument is u need more players in maps - that's what friends and guildies are for. + remember force everyone into that map u gona have more undergeared players meaning longer/ fail runs if u run random.

4. Dm is easier, now u want to make it even harder for poor /undergeared players. Let's face it you can't run EVG etc proper unless you have good gear. Even dm is a stretch for undergeared players.

5. I have good gear but still prefer dm, I find evg really boring so that's my opinion and like to have the option to run DM if I choose. I find this argument selfish to say the least. If the devs want to nerve let them nerve, but this commingfrom player base I find poor - let players run what they want and don't try to force player base in one direction that suits you.

[Avta]

-1 nerve

1. The more places we have to farm gold the better. Why try force everyone in one direction? The more choice the better for more people. Everyone has got own likes and preferences.

2. Dm is much more fun IMO. Actually run a map and defeat 6 different bosses instead of standing in one place fighting Same boss Boring.

3. If ure argument is u need more players in maps - that's what friends and guildies are for. + remember force everyone into that map u gona have more undergeared players meaning longer/ fail runs if u run random.

4. Dm is easier, now u want to make it even harder for poor /undergeared players. Let's face it you can't run EVG etc proper unless you have good gear. Even dm is a stretch for undergeared players.

5. I have good gear but still prefer dm, I find evg really boring so that's my opinion and like to have the option to run DM if I choose. I find this argument selfish to say the least. If the devs want to nerve let them nerve, but this commingfrom player base I find poor - let players run what they want and don't try to force player base in one direction that suits you.U didn't really understand my post did you? If they nerf DM, people will then have the choice to run EVG or DM.

Right now people only run DM because EVG drops half the gold. If both drop equal gold, then it will be healthier.

Keeping DM as it is forces people towards only DM which is opposite of what you want, lmao.

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[Werner]

Not true, then you could propose them buffing gold drop in new maps instead of nerve :/. Even if they buffed evg / vg and u get 100% same gold in 1 hour I would still choose dm all day

[Alkif]

Everyone is talking about new players when we talk about nerfs, but how many new players are there? Also how many new players would actually own gold loot gear in the first place? If your main objective is to earn gold with gold loot then you need very high % for it to be efficient. Running dm with low gear and only 300-400% is less time efficient than just farming elite maps for chests and other ingredients. Perhaps its more important to teach new players how to level up and earn gold without gold loot.
So the only ones who actually profit from those maps are over geared veterans who 1 shot large groups of mobs and kill bosses with theyr 1000% gold loot set. So perhaps adding gold loot nerf to higher level players would decrease gold inflow while keeping it relevant in lower levels (like you all care so much about lower level players xD). DM is level 66-71 map, so keep it capped at level 75. Vardan valley is lvl 71-76 map so keep it capped at lvl 80. After every 6 levels we gain massive power spikes which make clearing pervious maps super easy..
And for those who want ESG to make come back using this idea you could make lower level characters and start running there again. However it should be made in the way that you can't earn gold while running with level 81 player who will carry you through the map for a small fee. Reviving lower level maps would also increase old gear prices and make those maps more active.

[sayarkglay]

All farmer will leave game if dm nerf. Now all war leave cuzz evg nerf and stack proc nerf.welcome to single player soon.

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[Camelot]

All farmer will leave game if dm nerf. Now all war leave cuzz evg nerf and stack proc nerf.welcome to single player soon.

Sent from my MI MAX 3 using TapatalkExactly and that was that 'ideas to do game more healthly'. 100% agree with you bro

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[Killyxan]

U want evg to be alive but can wars survive evg now a days? there is no more stacks for wars to survive only few warriors can and only few rogues would die again I don’t see a reason to nerf dm every class can benefit from it warriors can 1 shot bosses with mythic weapons so they are useful and still can play in a party not like before mages are op and so as rogues dm nerf will fak up the entire system for everyone there won’t be any map to farm at there is currently only 2 if dm get nerfed 90% of ppl who play would quit cuz evg is hard for everyone since there is no more stacking on procs think about that one also check evg solo on wars they got 17k points which is wave 10


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[Analytical]

Everyone is talking about new players when we talk about nerfs, but how many new players are there? Also how many new players would actually own gold loot gear in the first place? If your main objective is to earn gold with gold loot then you need very high % for it to be efficient. Running dm with low gear and only 300-400% is less time efficient than just farming elite maps for chests and other ingredients. Perhaps its more important to teach new players how to level up and earn gold without gold loot.
So the only ones who actually profit from those maps are over geared veterans who 1 shot large groups of mobs and kill bosses with theyr 1000% gold loot set. So perhaps adding gold loot nerf to higher level players would decrease gold inflow while keeping it relevant in lower levels (like you all care so much about lower level players xD). DM is level 66-71 map, so keep it capped at level 75. Vardan valley is lvl 71-76 map so keep it capped at lvl 80. After every 6 levels we gain massive power spikes which make clearing pervious maps super easy..
And for those who want ESG to make come back using this idea you could make lower level characters and start running there again. However it should be made in the way that you can't earn gold while running with level 81 player who will carry you through the map for a small fee. Reviving lower level maps would also increase old gear prices and make those maps more active.

Pretty good idea, I like your suggestion on only allowing lower levels to farm at dm. But I can't help but ask why would anyone level up then if they can already make gold without leveling up? And by extension, would there then be any need at all for an expansion/new gears, and therefore income for sts?

Perhaps you wanna elaborate further? I can see it may be a viable option.

[Kolpertis_333]

Everyone is talking about new players when we talk about nerfs, but how many new players are there? Also how many new players would actually own gold loot gear in the first place? If your main objective is to earn gold with gold loot then you need very high % for it to be efficient. Running dm with low gear and only 300-400% is less time efficient than just farming elite maps for chests and other ingredients. Perhaps its more important to teach new players how to level up and earn gold without gold loot.
So the only ones who actually profit from those maps are over geared veterans who 1 shot large groups of mobs and kill bosses with theyr 1000% gold loot set. So perhaps adding gold loot nerf to higher level players would decrease gold inflow while keeping it relevant in lower levels (like you all care so much about lower level players xD). DM is level 66-71 map, so keep it capped at level 75. Vardan valley is lvl 71-76 map so keep it capped at lvl 80. After every 6 levels we gain massive power spikes which make clearing pervious maps super easy..
And for those who want ESG to make come back using this idea you could make lower level characters and start running there again. However it should be made in the way that you can't earn gold while running with level 81 player who will carry you through the map for a small fee. Reviving lower level maps would also increase old gear prices and make those maps more active.Farming chests in elite maps is extremely ineffective, I was doing elite kraken 100 boss kills aps and I was using 70% luck set, in those 100 runs I looted 3 chests

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[Avta]

U want evg to be alive but can wars survive evg now a days? there is no more stacks for wars to survive only few warriors can and only few rogues would die again I don’t see a reason to nerf dm every class can benefit from it warriors can 1 shot bosses with mythic weapons so they are useful and still can play in a party not like before mages are op and so as rogues dm nerf will fak up the entire system for everyone there won’t be any map to farm at there is currently only 2 if dm get nerfed 90% of ppl who play would quit cuz evg is hard for everyone since there is no more stacking on procs think about that one also check evg solo on wars they got 17k points which is wave 10


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkU don't really need to go to wave 100+ to make gold in evg, and it's easy for warriors to survive EVG waves with jugg + horn.

Yes, warriors can't clear, but they were never meant to. All they have to do is take aggro for few sec and mages will wipe the wave clean. Hope this answers your concerns.

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[Devine2021]

U want evg to be alive but can wars survive evg now a days? there is no more stacks for wars to survive only few warriors can and only few rogues would die again I don’t see a reason to nerf dm every class can benefit from it warriors can 1 shot bosses with mythic weapons so they are useful and still can play in a party not like before mages are op and so as rogues dm nerf will fak up the entire system for everyone there won’t be any map to farm at there is currently only 2 if dm get nerfed 90% of ppl who play would quit cuz evg is hard for everyone since there is no more stacking on procs think about that one also check evg solo on wars they got 17k points which is wave 10


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo worries Avta will be the tanker ahaha

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[bhupeshkansal]

Ppl who don't farm dm/evg says nerf it, nerfing gl maps mean game gonna be dead when there is no event running on ppl won't have anything to grind, yes partial nerfing(nerfing gl during event days) can be an option but a big ni for permanent nerfing
Dm is another chapter of AL, days before dm wr like 90% ppl living under poverty line, this is the map wich helped to game revive you can't think even think about nerfing it,

So plz I'd say "jio or jeene do"

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[Killyxan]

U don't really need to go to wave 100+ to make gold in evg, and it's easy for warriors to survive EVG waves with jugg + horn.

Yes, warriors can't clear, but they were never meant to. All they have to do is take aggro for few sec and mages will wipe the wave clean. Hope this answers your concerns.

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True I don’t need to go wave 100+ to make gold but it’s not easy to pass high waves without an OP tank that knows everything and has Mephisto like legolasn or idk who else is there not everyone is great at tanking I personally play war since lvl 41 and couldn’t make it to wave 40 after they removed stacking procs so if u want to be the tank for everyone be my guest but I want to farm till 70 waves and I want u to not die at all let’s see if u can do that as a tank


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[Camelot]

U don't really need to go to wave 100+ to make gold in evg, and it's easy for warriors to survive EVG waves with jugg + horn.

Yes, warriors can't clear, but they were never meant to. All they have to do is take aggro for few sec and mages will wipe the wave clean. Hope this answers your concerns.

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[Cinco]

I know pretty well what’s going to happen when I do what I’m gonna do.

Don’t let this stop the discussion tho.

Happy new year my Legends! May it be profitable and yet somehow full of classist angst.

[Camelot]

The discussion has been frozen suddenly noone is brave enough to reply :) This case will stay enigmatic and we can guess only what will bring the future. Anyway Merry Christmas to you and whole team Sts :)

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[Alkif]

Pretty good idea, I like your suggestion on only allowing lower levels to farm at dm. But I can't help but ask why would anyone level up then if they can already make gold without leveling up? And by extension, would there then be any need at all for an expansion/new gears, and therefore income for sts?

Perhaps you wanna elaborate further? I can see it may be a viable option.

If your sole purpose is to farm gold in game then I don't see reason in playing virtual games at all. Might aswell go get a job and work extra hours for real money. I play for fun and I don't care about my wealth in game. Just by running events throughout years, doing aps in efficient way has earned me a lot of wealth so I don't need to mindlessly run same map over and over again.
From your answer Ive come to conclusion that this game is already corrupted, all you players see now is gold and vanities. There is no fun anymore, all you want is to farm gold and accumulate more wealth for 0 reason. Just by playing the game without gold loot you can easily afford those new mythics so I really can't see why everyone is so stressed about gold loot nerfs. I think it makes 0 sense that level 81 player runs lvl 66-71 map all day long and earns more gold than players who run level 81 maps. You can't buff gold loot in lvl 81 maps so that leaves only 1 solution, nerf the other maps. Its not like they are taking away your precious gold loot, they just balance the game. Every game does that and thats how it should be. And for those who complain about item prices, it was your investment, if you invest in wrong stock are you going to complain about it to someone?
But I agree, game will die when gl keeps on getting nerfed, for 4 expansions we have gotten only gold loot content and now taking it away from players piece by piece is not acceptable for most people. Gold loot is the reason why people started quiting this game, and now taking it away from the people who enjoy gold loot will give it a final blow. I don't think there are any new players coming in either, Ive played this game since 2012 and I only see same names in event zones.

Also the guy who ran 100 times pirate map with 70% luck and got 3 chests, either they nerfed the f out it in past 2-3 months or you were just incredibly unlucky. I did all 1000 maps (except maus) few months ago with heroic timur + luck pendant (should also be 70%, I might have had elixir on aswell, not 100% sure), I saved up all my chests until 1000 runs were finished and I always had 200-300 chests and it took me only 2-3 days per map. Elite udim field I did in 1 sitting, its very fast map, takes around 20-30s to finish once you learn boss spawn locations + it has most expensive chests. There are also some legendary weapons that the bosses drop that might sell for 10-30k each which adds up aswell.

[snakeeyes]

Actually they want to nerf dm because they are nor 100% pure dm runner or not a gold farmer, or they want to buffs evg and vg because they have multiple account with goldloot set that can party each and and farm gold boost them self, immagine even in a low gl set but strong defensive set like myth 1 class can carry their run wave 1-20-30-40 they cannot go far wave because proc stack is not acctive but they can farm more because they have 4 account, so if dm will nerf dont buffs the gl on dm and add 200-300% goldloot buffs on new map.

[Stephencobear]

Said it before
Nerf dm

Feel free to send all hate to the nearest empty field XP

[Naaabmage]

If your sole purpose is to farm gold in game then I don't see reason in playing virtual games at all. Might aswell go get a job and work extra hours for real money. I play for fun and I don't care about my wealth in game. Just by running events throughout years, doing aps in efficient way has earned me a lot of wealth so I don't need to mindlessly run same map over and over again.
From your answer Ive come to conclusion that this game is already corrupted, all you players see now is gold and vanities. There is no fun anymore, all you want is to farm gold and accumulate more wealth for 0 reason. Just by playing the game without gold loot you can easily afford those new mythics so I really can't see why everyone is so stressed about gold loot nerfs. I think it makes 0 sense that level 81 player runs lvl 66-71 map all day long and earns more gold than players who run level 81 maps. You can't buff gold loot in lvl 81 maps so that leaves only 1 solution, nerf the other maps. Its not like they are taking away your precious gold loot, they just balance the game. Every game does that and thats how it should be. And for those who complain about item prices, it was your investment, if you invest in wrong stock are you going to complain about it to someone?
But I agree, game will die when gl keeps on getting nerfed, for 4 expansions we have gotten only gold loot content and now taking it away from players piece by piece is not acceptable for most people. Gold loot is the reason why people started quiting this game, and now taking it away from the people who enjoy gold loot will give it a final blow. I don't think there are any new players coming in either, Ive played this game since 2012 and I only see same names in event zones.

Also the guy who ran 100 times pirate map with 70% luck and got 3 chests, either they nerfed the f out it in past 2-3 months or you were just incredibly unlucky. I did all 1000 maps (except maus) few months ago with heroic timur + luck pendant (should also be 70%, I might have had elixir on aswell, not 100% sure), I saved up all my chests until 1000 runs were finished and I always had 200-300 chests and it took me only 2-3 days per map. Elite udim field I did in 1 sitting, its very fast map, takes around 20-30s to finish once you learn boss spawn locations + it has most expensive chests. There are also some legendary weapons that the bosses drop that might sell for 10-30k each which adds up aswell.

Last season I did 700 undim one day and got 25 chests. ...u say u got 300? Dang u have lucky charms

[Naaabmage]

I know pretty well what’s going to happen when I do what I’m gonna do.

Don’t let this stop the discussion tho.

Happy new year my Legends! May it be profitable and yet somehow full of classist angst.

Removing my comment on this post is rly helpful...I guess u just dont like hearing the truth

[Devine2021]

Why does naabmage comment gone? This is open forum right? Then lets be real. Lmao

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[Lilmozey]

No, Just no. Unless u buff evg gl drops

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[Alkif]

Last season I did 700 undim one day and got 25 chests. ...u say u got 300? Dang u have lucky charms

just did around 20 runs and got 4 golden chests, you probably ran it with 0 reroll chance. Also I said 200-300. 300 I got in nordr by doing 20 runs per day to get maximum amount of chests through daily quests that rewards 1 elite golden chest. Its going off topic so im not going to discuss it any longer.

[Switchback]

For reference: Sunken Fleet Map gold drops averaged 10,476 gold(Zero Gold Loot) over 4 runs for me. Now i know 4 runs is not much to get an average from but i figured its better than no data(Each map total was pretty close to each others)

Using Mythic Dagger set, no Pet AA, 2100 Dex and Yinshe HB. I clear the map solo 3:30-4:30 Minutes each run(Clearing all mobs, no deaths). No other procs were used but Daggers.

A prepared team could clear it faster with ease.

[Bellicz Al]

This is what happens when players forget about new gamers even and zodias requires decent gear not everyone can afford op sets like the most of us it would be extremely unfair this is really unreasonable . Why not make a thread were you motivate devs to make zodias more interesting or maybe make evg more interesting or even creat a gold farming tomb for end gamers with interesting bosses and stuff

A big
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[Bellicz Al]

If you read the post, you'll see that people will farm both maps.

The value of gold gained after nerfs will be the same, just the numbers will be lower.

The only reason people don't farm EVG is because DM gives more gold, prove me wrong.

Sent from my GM1913 using TapatalkYour wrong dm is is easier to farm for most evg requires concentration good gear good pets whin everyone cannot afford i suggest you think more about others.


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[perdanaislam]

Don't do nerf, we need leader board Gold donating againts inflation..

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[snakeeyes]

Just stop nerf suggestions, why dont suggest buffs evg or zodias without nerfing? why need to sacrifice the farm maps of not fully geared player?

[Cinco]

Removing my comment on this post is rly helpful...I guess u just dont like hearing the truth

I don’t like your profanity. Keep it clean and your comment can stay. Try again if u wish ;-)


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[Cinco]

Why does naabmage comment gone? This is open forum right? Then lets be real. Lmao

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There are rules. Stick to them.


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[Naaabmage]

I don’t like your profanity. Keep it clean and your comment can stay. Try again if u wish ;-)


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Lol wot I didnt swear or be rude or disrespectful to anyone keep censoring ppl cinco ur doing a great job!!

[Switchback]

Lol wot I didnt swear or be rude or disrespectful to anyone keep censoring ppl cinco ur doing a great job!!

Your post had no value to it whatsoever. Was literally u just talking sh**.

[mwmbgs]

buff evg plus 1.2k gold

[Bellicz Al]

Your post had no value to it whatsoever. Was literally u just talking sh**.Oh shaddap it's an open forum discussion everyone is entitled to their opinion you have no right to judge others on their opinions it's and open discussion for pros and cons .

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[Devine2021]

Your post had no value to it whatsoever. Was literally u just talking sh**.I think your comment is useless here. Crab mentality lmao. You better shattopp kid

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[Sulphurea]

Me i absolutely don't want evg to be alive again so that one class can keep getting rich over and over lel for me dm is ok the way it is, especially for not well geared people, maybe just slightly buff mobs and bosses. Rich people or geared people should farm new maps instead of losing time in dm! Every time portals are open i run there and is empty, rahab apart. That's what needs to be inproved, new maps should be filled with people, increase the loot tables from bosses, not only rahab and raise gl of zodias bosses, add more dailies, add ways we can get tokens and points and update the vendor with more than overpriced recipes. Evg us aps place, it done its story and it been over abused too much

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[Greazemk]

Remove DM and give everyone 1b gold.

ez. end of discussion. big brain

[Analytical]

Oh shaddap it's an open forum discussion everyone is entitled to their opinion you have no right to judge others on their opinions it's and open discussion for pros and cons .

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Yes you are right we do have the right to speak.

That doesn't mean however one can do anything he or she likes. What we "can do" is highly contextual and depends on the environment, social context or platform we are currently in.

When we sign up as a forum member, we have already agreed (regardless if we actually care to read the TOS) to adhere to the rules here, so violating the rules means we are risking either our comment or account to be removed/banned.

Rules exist to keep things in order, and in harmony wherever possible. Different environments would have different rules. So while profanities may be accepted by your close friends or in other platforms, it doesn't mean it's accepted in this AL forum here.

Bear in mind that while we have the rights to speak, the forum creator here also has the right to censor any speeches that does not meet their T&C.

[Camelot]

Yes you are right we do have the right to speak.

That doesn't mean however one can do anything he or she likes. What we "can do" is highly contextual and depends on the environment, social context or platform we are currently in.

When we sign up as a forum member, we have already agreed (regardless if we actually care to read the TOS) to adhere to the rules here, so violating the rules means we are risking either our comment or account to be removed/banned.

Rules exist to keep things in order, and in harmony wherever possible. Different environments would have different rules. So while profanities may be accepted by your close friends or in other platforms, it doesn't mean it's accepted in this AL forum here.

Bear in mind that while we have the rights to speak, the forum creator here also has the right to censor any speeches that does not meet their T&C.I never broke tos in game or on forum i try allways to construct my statements following up with that rules but i noticed my posts are muted for uncomfortable subjects. Some people posts that deep marsh should be nerfed and they have right to post that i feel i have same rights to disagree with them and this topic is really delicate. I mean (nerfing deep marsh). Some people here pressing devs to nerf this map but as we can see many people won't let them do this. The case is still open and we will see which side devs will succumb. I want only remind when last time we had a discussion about nerfing evg (same group of players voted for nerf) they actually hit thier aims. Think about all of us. Peace

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[Tog]

Looks like some cases are forced behind our backs..

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[SpeedAndHavoc]

after all said and done, dm will be nerfed. it will happen and we all know it. evg just died before it but it surely will happen eventually, happy new year to all.

[Oawaoebi]

after all said and done, dm will be nerfed. it will happen and we all know it. evg just died before it but it surely will happen eventually, happy new year to all.

Kill dm with introduction of elite 81 maps would be good timing.


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[championboost]

1. Inflation is not a problem and has never been
this is just a thing so many people assume but the devs never adressed or mentioned that inflation was a problem
- if it was a problem they would have mentioned it
+they would add more things like sir spends alot where a negative inflation happens
+ they would lower gold drops everywhere they can
2. Also I agree that elite vardan gates should be played more because its beautiful

[Stephencobear]

1. Inflation is not a problem and has never been
this is just a thing so many people assume but the devs never adressed or mentioned that inflation was a problem
- if it was a problem they would have mentioned it
+they would add more things like sir spends alot where a negative inflation happens
+ they would lower gold drops everywhere they can
2. Also I agree that elite vardan gates should be played more because its beautiful

Sounds like your not familiar w the pirate booty event bcuz that history directly opposes your statement
Also the planar runs that ppl used to get rich off

[Camelot]

1. Inflation is not a problem and has never been
this is just a thing so many people assume but the devs never adressed or mentioned that inflation was a problem
- if it was a problem they would have mentioned it
+they would add more things like sir spends alot where a negative inflation happens
+ they would lower gold drops everywhere they can
2. Also I agree that elite vardan gates should be played more because its beautiful100% agree inflation isn't a problem. Some players have problem because they sold his gold loot sets and now they forcing nerfing dm to rebuy sets for 25% value. Im sure nerfing dm will provide to big collaps of prices. I must admit they are good economists...

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[Switchback]

100% agree inflation isn't a problem. Some players have problem because they sold his gold loot sets and now they forcing nerfing dm to rebuy sets for 25% value. Im sure nerfing dm will provide to big collaps of prices. I must admit they are good economists...

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Gold loot sets are dropping in price for other reason than what u are trying to claim. Its not StS fault u want to sell your gold loot set now. The set are cheaper because of 2 reasons(this happens the last few years aswell). Awakening Event is near, and we are on one of the biggest events(which one of the main loots are the GL sets). That is the reason they are dropping

If you want to create chaos and Panic Sell your gear then that is on you, but what you are preaching in game and on forums isnt a healthy way to try and move past this hurdle.

Nobody Knows What The Adjustment to Deep Marsh is going to be. I would suggest to stop spreading false narratives in game and on forums and try to adapt.

[Avta]

Gold loot sets are dropping in price for other reason than what u are trying to claim. Its not StS fault u want to sell your gold loot set now. The set are cheaper because of 2 reasons(this happens the last few years aswell). Awakening Event is near, and we are on one of the biggest events(which one of the main loots are the GL sets). That is the reason they are dropping

If you want to create chaos and Panic Sell your gear then that is on you, but what you are preaching in game and on forums isnt a healthy way to try and move past this hurdle.

Nobody Knows What The Adjustment to Deep Marsh is going to be. I would suggest to stop spreading false narratives in game and on forums and try to adapt.Cicno foreshadowed a change to DM, and it's very clearly not going to be a buff ;)

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[Camelot]

Gold loot sets are dropping in price for other reason than what u are trying to claim. Its not StS fault u want to sell your gold loot set now. The set are cheaper because of 2 reasons(this happens the last few years aswell). Awakening Event is near, and we are on one of the biggest events(which one of the main loots are the GL sets). That is the reason they are dropping

If you want to create chaos and Panic Sell your gear then that is on you, but what you are preaching in game and on forums isnt a healthy way to try and move past this hurdle.

Nobody Knows What The Adjustment to Deep Marsh is going to be. I would suggest to stop spreading false narratives in game and on forums and try to adapt.Dont blame me now bro im against nerfing anything in game. First of all avariece sets was risning in price since few years if you didnt noticed that we are playing different games. I will give you an example now: Ava set 450gl before nerf evg costed 280m. Now after evg nerf its like 190m you can find easy. So its allready 90m lower. Now imagine after nerf dm how much they will cost. 50m? Gold loot sets will be useless. Where we will farm gold? I just want people to know what is happening. I cant understand why you want to destroy game you playing..

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[Camelot]

Cicno foreshadowed a change to DM, and it's very clearly not going to be a buff ;)

Sent from my GM1913 using TapatalkGood job Avta you are the 'father' of all that nerfs. If it will happen i will have to say goodbye Arcane Legends

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