Fair fight?

[MightyMicah]

What is your definition of a fair fight? And why do you believe what you believe? I wanna get some perspective here before I make another long and highly opinionated pvp thread.

[AbsolutePally]

I'll tell you what isn't fair. Teaming. 3/1 2/1 2/3. That's all.

[Dirtymonkey_666]

bro, it's PvP anything is a fair fight. not join PvP if you don't wish to have an unfair fight

[KingFu]

A fair fight relies solely on a combination of luck and skill, which I don't expect to have when I come into PvP. I'm fine in most instances, as long as it's not teaming. The only thing that really bugs me is when people take pride in killing someone with gear from 2 campaigns ahead (55 sewer twink vs a 61 dang twink for example), since regardless of your skill level, they need to overcome far less to win the fight.

[MightyMicah]

Thanks for the input guys! Hopefully more to come :\

[Swords]

I love people who are AFK in pvp :D

[Xionskull]

I mean, fair players are players (in my oppinion) that once they join a game they define it. They say 1 vs 1 or ffa. I also think a fair player gives a free when he or she or it kills someone not in their 1 on 1. That's fair. In FFA it all out. Rushing... It never ends well... For ME.

[MightyMicah]

@xionskull so what you are saying is that fair is only what everyone agrees to as fair?

[Mothwing]

Everything is fair.

[MightyMicah]

Care to ellaborate?

[Airity]

It depends on what you consider "Fair" if you mean "Fair" by everyone has an equal oppurtunity then "fair" is strict 1v1's with all competitors fully charged and ready to go before each encounter.

I think that should only be considered fair in "Cage Match" type games though. A "fair" free for all game is when each team has an equal number of players IMO. The same goes for CTF, Spawn Trapping is "Fair" it's a stradegy that each side can use to their advantage making it fit the definition above "an equal oppurtunity for everybody".

[Mothwing]

Care to ellaborate?

Not much to elaborate on...everything is a fair fight, as in anything. It's war, not dress up, a tea party, whatever the heck you wanna call it :D I'll say this yet again: If you're pvping, you better expect to fight.

[Sryyoulose]

Not much to elaborate on...everything is a fair fight, as in anything. It's war, not dress up, a tea party, whatever the heck you wanna call it :D I'll say this yet again: If you're pvping, you better expect to fight.
I DISAGREE!

3/1-2 not fair, in a 1v1 situation a person with 5-10 levels more should NOT ask a player to fight, and spawning. Other then that fair game... I don't even mind nature loving (tree hugging)

[Airity]

Scratch my old opinion haha. There is no "Fair" in PvP, people are playing to win, they can fight dirty! There is no rule book! If you don't like it, you leave declaring defeat.

[OvigorothO]

Pvp is as fair as it gets. You ar standng in an arena you can choose to strike when you want. There is no catching someoe offgaurd or when theyre not ready. Do gladiators stand around talking in the arena?

[Everyone'sFavMage]

I'm bringing pvp back to how it used to be... Back when there was no 1v1 except locked games... When you enter a pvp expect to pvp... I hate how pvp has become like a chat room now.. So I'm with the FFA movement

[Noodleleg]

I'm bringing pvp back to how it used to be... Back when there was no 1v1 except locked games... When you enter a pvp expect to pvp... I hate how pvp has become like a chat room now.. So I'm with the FFA movement

So let me get this straight... From now on, you're gonna rush ballista birds with your glyph set... K sounds cool =p

[wvhills]

Let's quote a scene from the first pirates of the carribean:
Will- I'd beat you in a fair fight.
Jack- not much incentive for me to fight fair then is it.

I know I'm in the minority here but I think everything is fair (teaming, rushing, etc). I think when you join an instance you should be ready to defend urself.

Imo, that's why DL pvp is so much more fun than PL pvp. In pl there's too much, "go" "wait" "name ur target" wait for target to say go, then u say go, don't forget to let them buff first, everyone get out of the way so you don't accidently take or cause damage because that would be unfair, have a 1/2 sec fight, "gf" "gf", repeat. The descriptions I read when going in pvp says "3 vs 3" and has the word "team" in it. To me that says its supposed to be "3 vs 3" and not 3 separate "1 vs 1" and we are supposed to "team".

From what I've read it seems the reason the majority gives for liking pvp the pl is because they want to see who is really the better player. I don't think you can determine the better player in this fashion tho. To me a big part of PL pvp is gear. We've seen here recently how irate players become when they fear that they may no longer have a founders helm or 3 pieces of elite equips advantage over others. I feel like the skill required in pl pvp is being rich enough to be able to afford gear, a sense of range and fast fingers to hit ur combo. In dl good equips are an advantage but I've seen level capped players with lesser gear be able to be really good pvpers because of their tactics. The dl style pvp relies on a different type of skill- being aware of ur surroundings (watching ur minimap to see where ur teammates are and if they are being attacked), keeping track of where ur opponents are and when to attack them, and working with your TEAM (who is guarding flag, have someone go in and weaken opponents, have someone grab flag then an escort back, etc)- after all it is a TEAM game, right?

That's just my opinion and I know I'll not change the majorities opinions so I'll stick to DL pvp where if you try to type "go" you'll be vermin swarmed while ur fingers are on ur keys and then laughed at. Hehe.

[Enforcer]

Let's quote a scene from the first pirates of the carribean:
Will- I'd beat you in a fair fight.
Jack- not much incentive for me to fight fair then is it.

I know I'm in the minority here but I think everything is fair (teaming, rushing, etc). I think when you join an instance you should be ready to defend urself.

Imo, that's why DL pvp is so much more fun than PL pvp. In pl there's too much, "go" "wait" "name ur target" wait for target to say go, then u say go, don't forget to let them buff first, everyone get out of the way so you don't accidently take or cause damage because that would be unfair, have a 1/2 sec fight, "gf" "gf", repeat. The descriptions I read when going in pvp says "3 vs 3" and has the word "team" in it. To me that says its supposed to be "3 vs 3" and not 3 separate "1 vs 1" and we are supposed to "team".

From what I've read it seems the reason the majority gives for liking pvp the pl is because they want to see who is really the better player. I don't think you can determine the better player in this fashion tho. To me a big part of PL pvp is gear. We've seen here recently how irate players become when they fear that they may no longer have a founders helm or 3 pieces of elite equips advantage over others. I feel like the skill required in pl pvp is being rich enough to be able to afford gear, a sense of range and fast fingers to hit ur combo. In dl good equips are an advantage but I've seen level capped players with lesser gear be able to be really good pvpers because of their tactics. The dl style pvp relies on a different type of skill- being aware of ur surroundings (watching ur minimap to see where ur teammates are and if they are being attacked), keeping track of where ur opponents are and when to attack them, and working with your TEAM (who is guarding flag, have someone go in and weaken opponents, have someone grab flag then an escort back, etc)- after all it is a TEAM game, right?

That's just my opinion and I know I'll not change the majorities opinions so I'll stick to DL pvp where if you try to type "go" you'll be vermin swarmed while ur fingers are on ur keys and then laughed at. Hehe.
It's called rushing

[Swimmingstar]

Nothing is fair in PvP, in PL, etc.

[wvhills]

It's called rushing

Thanks for the enlightenment. I'm a total noob and didn't know that.

[Jugernugetx]

I think fair is at least this:

Joiner: hi!
Person whos been at pvp: its ffa
Joiner: k

Not some really annoying thing like this:

Joiner: hi!- (gets interrupted before he can click enter)
Person whos been at pvp: (kills him before he can even say hi...)
Joiner: (trying to fight back, (i dunno why lol) he dies)

This can make people soooo mad that they rage quit and get reported:

Joiner: (sitting down, relaxing with his buds at pvp doing 1v1. Yknow)
Random joiner who thinks they are elite: (automatically just rushes you. Not saying a word.)
Joiner: (Trying to impress his friends, (i dont know why lololololol) he goes after "rusher".)
Random joiner who thinks they are elite: (leaves)

The best thing to do for the last one is at least say its 1v1 if you are the joiner. For the second example dont fight back, leave. For the first one, wear a party hat. U win.

~Jugernuget

[XghostzX]

I've been 'rushing' in PvP because that's the way i think PvP is 'fair'. Rushing is the way I learned to become good at PvP because it forces you to think fast and know what strategy is best in different situations. FFA or 'rushing' brings out nearly every aspect of PvP.

If you see me in game, sorry if I 'rush' you, it's nothing personal. But to the players that hate rushing, you were never part of the old PvP! Don't come in thinking you're so boss with the 1v1 style.

Sorry if i got a little side tracked, but all is fair in PvP.

[WarTornBird]

I've been 'rushing' in PvP because that's the way i think PvP is 'fair'. Rushing is the way I learned to become good at PvP becaude you have to think fast and know what to do i certain situations. FFA or 'rushing' brings out nearly every aspect of PvP.

If you see me in game, sorry it I 'rush' you, but to the players that hate rushing, you were never pary g yhe old PvP!

Sorry if i got a little side tracked, but all is fair in PvP.


I have to agree with you. When I FFA I feel like I could beat anything, more than one enemy coming at you strikes almost the adrenaline in you and you actually do something.

[Airity]

It's called rushing


It's called PvP.

[Airity]

I think fair is at least this:

Joiner: hi!
Person whos been at pvp: its ffa
Joiner: k

Not some really annoying thing like this:

Joiner: hi!- (gets interrupted before he can click enter)
Person whos been at pvp: (kills him before he can even say hi...)
Joiner: (trying to fight back, (i dunno why lol) he dies)

This can make people soooo mad that they rage quit and get reported:

Joiner: (sitting down, relaxing with his buds at pvp doing 1v1. Yknow)
Random joiner who thinks they are elite: (automatically just rushes you. Not saying a word.)
Joiner: (Trying to impress his friends, (i dont know why lololololol) he goes after "rusher".)
Random joiner who thinks they are elite: (leaves)

The best thing to do for the last one is at least say its 1v1 if you are the joiner.For the second example dont fight back, leave. For the first one, wear a party hat. U win.

~Jugernuget

Why's that? Games should automatically be FFA, kids whom don't like it can lock their games.

[MightyMicah]

Very interesting opinions guys. I'm probably gonna write my take on all of this very soon. I think I've gotten just about everything I was looking for! Feel free to check it out and agree/disagree with it. I always love hearing others ideas and opinions.

[Jugernugetx]

Why's that? Games should automatically be FFA, kids whom don't like it can lock their games.
Hey, pvp can be to hang out with buds as well. You think its automatic ffa but half of alterra disagrees with that. Leave it at that. Instead of saying *automatic ffa bla* give your opinion on a good fight. Thats the whole point on this thread. Just giving my opinion.

[Xettacross]

Here's something I don't think is fair. When the so called champ jop joins and rushes. Then when he gets beat he calls everyone teaming turds. Then he grabs his 30 and continues to rush then declares "I am the champ Lmao"

You can rush I really don't care but if ur a champ and do it because your the champ? That isn't fair. And to get beat and bring a higher lvl to beat those who beat you? Not exactly champ material if you ask me.

Bring on the jop lovers. Ik imma get replies from people trying to justify what jop does. I've heard it all.

[MightyMicah]

@Xetta, that has nothing to do with the point of this thread. That is simply you complaining about Jop. Not you saying what isn't fair.

@everyone else, ignore Xetta please and dont get my thread off topic. I've learned a lot so far and hope to learn more. Thank you.

[Phoenixking]

Not much to elaborate on...everything is a fair fight, as in anything. It's war, not dress up, a tea party, whatever the heck you wanna call it :D I'll say this yet again: If you're pvping, you better expect to fight.
All is fair in love and war :O

[Windwaiker]

I wa thinking about having everyone fight naked and same level, that should be fair :-)

[Xettacross]

@Xetta, that has nothing to do with the point of this thread. That is simply you complaining about Jop. Not you saying what isn't fair.

@everyone else, ignore Xetta please and dont get my thread off topic. I've learned a lot so far and hope to learn more. Thank you.
lmfao chill bro. It's like what jugernugetx said. Guy joins and thinks he's elite and rushes. Only in this case guy gets beat then grabs a higher lvl alt and continues. I used jop as an example cause he's a well known rusher who so happens to be on the boards. Now I pvp to have a good time. When something like these happens it ruins pvp. It upsets me more knowing that this happens alot more to ppl who are new to pvp. It's not a fair fight when someone does this. I'm all for ffa only cause I've been around since pl was just a beta. Pvps changed since then. If your gonna ffa (or rush) at least announce it.

[fuzzylazer]

In my opinion, fair is when you start a 1v1 fight with someone else and you are both ready to fight. Not fair is when its teaming or rushing without another person knowing their about to die.

When it's FFA/CTF, fair is when both teams are equal, not like 1 team are full of noobs and the other team are players who's pvped for a time. Fair is when you have an FFA/CTF match going for a long time, which means both teams are about the same skill level.

Thannk You

[Cahaun]

bro, it's PvP anything is a fair fight. not join PvP if you don't wish to have an unfair fightYou say ANYTHING in pvp is a fair fight and you then say don't join pvp if you don't want an UNFAIR fight. :confused:

[GoodSyntax]

Here is what I "think" constitutes Fair...

- Everyone in the game is aware of what the format will be, whether 1v1, 2v2, FFA, etc.
- Teams are balanced - ex. no stacking the deck with elites on one team, and just one elite and a bunch of noobs on the other
- Balanced levels/equips - no lopsided equips...players and teams are evenly matched
- No changing of the rules mid-game - ex. 1v1 fights then someone yells FFA and kills the two spectators watching the 1v1

Honestly, I have no problems with FFA or 1v1, I just need to know what the format is. What I do have a problem with is the new join that is either elite (the only guy with Demonic set in game) or nooby (the one guy rocking Mystery set in a game full of Sewer equips) and can't understand why everyone is complaining. I also take issue with the new join that sits, watches 1v1, then yells FFA and kills the two guys closest to him and leaves.

While, I personally hate being singled out and teamed, I understand the tactics involved, and take no personal offense to being mobbed by 2 Dex birds. It's simply good tactics, eliminate the primary threat and focus on the weaker teammates next.

I just hate the guys that are looking to pad their PVP kills and don't follow the current format.

I wish that there was a way to create PVP games and label them, so if you join, you know what you are joining. For instance, create a level 30-32 FFA game, or a level 65 Crafted 1v1 game and it would appear that way in the join list. Allow the host to boot new joins that don't follow the format.

I would definitely PVP more often if it wasn't such a crap-shoot of what type of game/player build I am walking into. I can't tell you how many deaths I have from joining a game only to be ganked before I know the format.

[Twinklaser]

A fair fight is when you grab two of your friends, join a lower level game and rush an AFK person that is two campaign lower. Thats as close to 50/50 you can get.

[Everyone'sFavMage]

A fair fight is when you grab two of your friends, join a lower level game and rush an AFK person that is two campaign lower. Thats as close to 50/50 you can get.
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[Otukura]

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'tis morning. Thank that post.