Thrasher runs only are ruining the playing experience?

[nazgulking]

Hello folks,

Here is something I came across which I want to elaborate about. The first day of Humania launch I was able to complete all quests there and unlock all maps. From Day 2 I wasn't able to enter the leveling part to 70 (Won't be chasing the elite cap this time) since I get booted all the time, why? "Thrasher run. Thrasher wielder only plox!"
The dreaded sentence.

I have always enjoyed joining PUGs to make new friends and meet new people in general. This is not the case anymore. If I join 5 runs, i get booted in 4 of them killing my joy to level.
I guess I will have to wait for these "people" to get to 71 so I can go back to leveling the way I like (I will play Diablo 3 in the meanwhile:)).
Plus most of the thrasher are just avoiding any strategies at all, since they can fly trough the levels, breeding scatterbears, rambo mages and so on.

Sure I could do guild runs, but why should I be deprived of an aspect of the game due to some "elitists"?

Anyone have encountered the same problem?

[WoundedEagle]

I've said from the start I'm not going to level until one of the following takes place (which they normally do): Double XP Weekend, Double DMG Weekend, or Platinum Sales. It's too hard to get with the game haha. I haven't leveled/did runs in Humania since the first 2-3 days it was out. And that was just for quests as well. I don't bother with Thrashers until I am one ;)

[Elyseon]

I agree, but as long as they exist I'll keep using them, why take the hard route if I can do it easier?
Not meaning non thrasher users are inferior, I respect non thrasher capped players a great deal

But I, myself am lazy, but I'm not one who boots any non thrashered player that joins.
As long as it's their game tho they have the right to choose who to allow and if they think u will slow down their xp gain and care that much, they can boot, not saying it's the right thing.

Tho ever since the whole elixir revamp system(around may 2011?) it did remove alot of the skill needed to down the deadly bosses, that now everyone can kill

[WoundedEagle]

I agree, but as long as they exist I'll keep using them, why take the hard route if I can do it easier?
Not meaning non thrasher users are inferior, I respect non thrasher capped players a great deal

But I, myself am lazy, but I'm not one who boots any non thrashered player that joins.
As long as it's their game tho they have the right to choose who to allow and if they think u will slow down their xp gain and care that much, they can boot, not saying it's the right thing.

Tho ever since the whole elixir revamp system(around may 2011?) it did remove alot of the skill needed to down the deadly bosses, that now everyone can kill

They should release outrageously expensive gold elixirs similar to the plat ones. It would tone down the economy and STS would get sales from people buying gold, and platinum sales. O.o

[McBain]

I don't really find myself getting booted all that much. Certainly not 4 out every 5 times. I would say more like 1 in 10, and that's counting everything: thrasher boots, full party, etc. I'm not sure why that is. I very rarely use elixirs myself, except for the dailies. I do agree though that the "thrasher generation" is breeding players that don't really bother to learn any strategy, which makes playing in PUGs less and less enjoyable. Not sure what there is to be done about it though.

[McBain]

They should release outrageously expensive gold elixirs similar to the plat ones. It would tone down the economy and STS would get sales from people buying gold, and platinum sales. O.o

I like this idea ^^^^^

[HunterSLAYER]

The most expensive elixir I ever bought was "Trash Can Punch" and it was during the 50% of elixir sale before Humania was released.

However, I must admit, Thrashers really make a player o'ped as killing the toughest bosses solo are possible with Thrashers. =.="'

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[Lowlyspy]

Ah the curse of the Plat Gen.

I've already gotten bored with leveling so i haven't had any "u no haz thrasher!" booting issues.

[Elegants]

I agree, but as long as they exist I'll keep using them, why take the hard route if I can do it easier?
Not meaning non thrasher users are inferior, I respect non thrasher capped players a great deal

But I, myself am lazy, but I'm not one who boots any non thrashered player that joins.
As long as it's their game tho they have the right to choose who to allow and if they think u will slow down their xp gain and care that much, they can boot, not saying it's the right thing.

Tho ever since the whole elixir revamp system(around may 2011?) it did remove alot of the skill needed to down the deadly bosses, that now everyone can kill

They should release outrageously expensive gold elixirs similar to the plat ones. It would tone down the economy and STS would get sales from people buying gold, and platinum sales. O.o
Like 50k?^^

[HunterSLAYER]

20k for golden Shamrock's ale(15 mins of 100% luck lol). ^_^

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[NotYoCookiez]

I havent had this problem in a while.

I'm a non plat user and I managed to get to level 70 by Friday and I'm actually 11k into 71.

I think it also depends on your guild. Join a good guild, most of my runs are in from my fellow guild mates.


You gotta respect the plat players decision on booting, they spent their money and want to get the most out of it. If you had
One I'm sure you would be booting players also.

[Rare]

Hello folks,

Here is something I came across which I want to elaborate about. The first day of Humania launch I was able to complete all quests there and unlock all maps. From Day 2 I wasn't able to enter the leveling part to 70 (Won't be chasing the elite cap this time) since I get booted all the time, why? "Thrasher run. Thrasher wielder only plox!"
The dreaded sentence.

I have always enjoyed joining PUGs to make new friends and meet new people in general. This is not the case anymore. If I join 5 runs, i get booted in 4 of them killing my joy to level.
I guess I will have to wait for these "people" to get to 71 so I can go back to leveling the way I like (I will play Diablo 3 in the meanwhile:)).
Plus most of the thrasher are just avoiding any strategies at all, since they can fly trough the levels, breeding scatterbears, rambo mages and so on.

Sure I could do guild runs, but why should I be deprived of an aspect of the game due to some "elitists"?

Anyone have encountered the same problem?

I started a thread about this a long while back. Unfortunately, I did not keep it up to date. In fact, I'm not sure if a lot of these folks still play or if they feel the same way anymore. In any case, you can find it here (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?43399-Elixir-Free-Running&highlight=elixir+boot).

Maybe it should be revisited.

[Jugernugetx]

Yea, it has gotten worse. It seems everyone just wants 71. It isnt just ruining us non thrashers experience but in fact it is ruining the thrashers experience. What experience do they get if they just level in 1 or two days?
Sure, it is great to be a fast elite player, but, the thing that really makes me a bit upset about the thrashers is that they pretty much start hating Pocket Legends because they level so darn fast. That is pretty weird to see them just disappear.... cause they are capped lol:)
They leveled wayyyy faster than other expansions im sure. They should just enjoy the ride. There is no rush to 71 at all:) Why waste money? Really?:)

~Jugernuget

[Elyseon]

For me I cap a char or two, then twink the rest of the cap, so I find the saved time useful

[Roc]

I've had the similar PUG experience and I find it funny that 2 thrashing people will boot a non-thrasher even halfway through a level despite the group not being full. Isn't having an extra person, even a non-thrasher, even a little bit helpful? A mage and bird pair thrashing are easily capable of wiping out an entire map. I don't see the harm in having one or two non-thrashers tagging along. However, as was already mentioned, despite how disconcerting my PUG experience may be, the run type is up to the host. I just wish there was a PUG type selection when you create a game as has been suggested. Something like thrasher, xp, or boss.

[Chrysys]

Stop crying make your own group. The end.

[CrimsonTider]

Stop crying make your own group. The end.

You really put him in his place there. Good job!!

Naz... you are correct. The elixirs have ruined the game. Bringing the gold ones back would be a lot bwtter but you will srill have those who can't play without them buying them. Most of these "thrashers" couldn't clear a level without them. Be happy knowing you are one of the old school who can. ;)

[Drizzid]

I'll never boot unless the spot is reserved, but if a thrasher joins next game your spot won't be saved. I find that on my 70 bird I can pretty much clear the level just running through so 5 thrashered out players is a bit of overkill if you ask me. I grinded to 70 in a few hours, but I'm waiting for dbl xp or dmg to make the push for 71. It's just far too tedious right now.

[Rauekat]

i have joined games with 3 or 4 ppl thrashing and have not got booted even though i didnt have thrasher. It is about how u swag. Gotta have swag to not get booted. :P

[Pandamoni]

I'm not seeing booting as much this time. I don't take it personally since they're trying to maximize their money. I think they've ruined the game for a myriad of other reasons that I moan about in threads all the time lol.

[nazgulking]

Thanks for the feedback guys.

As I have said in my first post, I have a guild and I CAN join guild runs. I personally prefer to join PUGs to know new people.
I can't? Well, too bad. I will find better times to do this.
I just find annoying to join a game to be booted not 1, not 2, but 4 times... consenquently (3 days in a row). And why? Because I don't have thrasher on me?
I have to be honest, I have used thrasher elixirs in the past but, as far as I remember I have never booted someone for not holding a thrasher elixir.
At least If I had a good thrasher group I have had the good courtesy to host a private map and rmk.
I think our "thrasher groups" can waste 1 sec more and host a pass-protected run. Or not? :P
Anyways I won't be taking this personally ever.

Of course there are also other reasons, why certain people (not only thrashers) have ruined PL. I have just highlighted a tiny fraction of the problem. :)

Peace.

[kiitz]

Like anything in this game or in this world, you can complain that somebody else is doing something bad to you and you want someone else to fix it for you. OR you can take steps to fix the situation yourself. You can sit on the forums and gripe about how thrashers have ruined PL and all those players suck and have no skill and at the end of the day, no one is going to do anything about it. We have had this same conversation time and again with each new expansion. STS hasn't done anything to change it because THAT IS HOW THEY MAKE MONEY.

I used a crap load of thrashers at the previous 2 expansions to cap 3 characters in each expansion. I haven't been buying them recently or actually leveling or playing too much so far, but I can make the argument based on my use of thrashers in the previous expansions.

You need to understand that everyone is driven by self interest. If I am going to spend my money to get a thrasher and I know I can find others who are willing to do the same and make my runs faster and efficient, then it makes sense for me to boot people without thrashers. This is especially true during this period of time when MANY very good players are ALSO on thrashers and there are a huge number of people on thrashers. If I boot you, there is a very high likelihood that someone with a thrasher will join my group. When they do, they will probably join me again for the next run and the next and the next until we have a full group of people with thrashers blowing through the map with ease.

Our group could easily carry a few non-thrashers along with us, but why would we want to if there are plenty of other people who will buy a pot? I don't always kick, especially if you prove to me that you are a good player, or if you are a friend or a guildie, but some random player with perhaps a mishmosh of gear, who could very well also be a non-healing mage or a scatter bear will probably get the boot.

So what do you do then? As already mentioned above.
1. Find and make friends to run with. Thats 10x more fun than running with PUGs anyway! You will have things to talk about! You will be able to coordinate with them! You will have fun!
2. Join a strong guild! This is similar to the 1st point, except it makes it even easier to find friends!
3. Host your OWN games. If you are a strong player, even without a thrasher on, there will be others who join, see your skill and continue to play with you. Who knows, you might even, I don't know, DEVELOP a friendship with these other individuals who prefer to play the game PURE without any steroids and you will have no problem hosting games.

Truly the key is making friends. If you are a nice player and do not suck at the game, there will be plenty of people who will be willing to run with you whether or not you have a thrasher on.

If you don't have that ability, then just complain about being booted a lot.

P.S. My post came after your last one, so please disregard the slightly scathing nature of my post!

[nazgulking]

No offence taken :)
As with all aspects of the game: Twinking, merching, enjoying PUGs... all of them are viable way to enjoy the game.
I was just wondering if others was feeling the same, or it was just me :beguiled:
I have plenty of friends and guildies, I just like to run PUGs, my personal preference. :)
About hosting I find myself quite unlucky. Very few times people join my hosted games (sometimes even friends or guildies) :)

P.S.
Although there are certain friends that joins the second I invite them, but they are quite scarce and seldom on my time zone :)

[zentradi]

Thank you for this :)



Like anything in this game or in this world, you can complain that somebody else is doing something bad to you and you want someone else to fix it for you. OR you can take steps to fix the situation yourself. You can sit on the forums and gripe about how thrashers have ruined PL and all those players suck and have no skill and at the end of the day, no one is going to do anything about it. We have had this same conversation time and again with each new expansion. STS hasn't done anything to change it because THAT IS HOW THEY MAKE MONEY.

I used a crap load of thrashers at the previous 2 expansions to cap 3 characters in each expansion. I haven't been buying them recently or actually leveling or playing too much so far, but I can make the argument based on my use of thrashers in the previous expansions.

You need to understand that everyone is driven by self interest. If I am going to spend my money to get a thrasher and I know I can find others who are willing to do the same and make my runs faster and efficient, then it makes sense for me to boot people without thrashers. This is especially true during this period of time when MANY very good players are ALSO on thrashers and there are a huge number of people on thrashers. If I boot you, there is a very high likelihood that someone with a thrasher will join my group. When they do, they will probably join me again for the next run and the next and the next until we have a full group of people with thrashers blowing through the map with ease.

Our group could easily carry a few non-thrashers along with us, but why would we want to if there are plenty of other people who will buy a pot? I don't always kick, especially if you prove to me that you are a good player, or if you are a friend or a guildie, but some random player with perhaps a mishmosh of gear, who could very well also be a non-healing mage or a scatter bear will probably get the boot.

So what do you do then? As already mentioned above.
1. Find and make friends to run with. Thats 10x more fun than running with PUGs anyway! You will have things to talk about! You will be able to coordinate with them! You will have fun!
2. Join a strong guild! This is similar to the 1st point, except it makes it even easier to find friends!
3. Host your OWN games. If you are a strong player, even without a thrasher on, there will be others who join, see your skill and continue to play with you. Who knows, you might even, I don't know, DEVELOP a friendship with these other individuals who prefer to play the game PURE without any steroids and you will have no problem hosting games.

Truly the key is making friends. If you are a nice player and do not suck at the game, there will be plenty of people who will be willing to run with you whether or not you have a thrasher on.

If you don't have that ability, then just complain about being booted a lot.

P.S. My post came after your last one, so please disregard the slightly scathing nature of my post!

[octavos]

Double XP Weekend, Double DMG Weekend, or Platinum Sales.

I agree....thz Mr.Eagle...im waiting now :( takes forevaaaaaaa to level.
now if elix bought with gold like you said and leveling like DL with allies..this would be paradise (no pun intended :P)

[Enforcer]

Thrashers are to overrated for me.

[xcainnblecterx]

I know not all people would leave if.asked.or told the party is full but i will and id perfer if when i joined a party of thrashers if they said thrasher run only( and some have) i will kindly leave+it saves me time of waiting for town to load and then having to find another game to join. Almost every time i jump into a party of.thrasher i ask if its full if they say nothing i continue with them but i noticed the.first.few.days people were saying.humania was.to easy is cause they had thrashers not all but some and after the thrashers i heard its to hard:) but either way if my toons wickedklownz or cainbblecter.join ur party n im not.welcome.just tell me please

[Swords]

Wait until a month and no more thrashers only runs

even tho i practipated in thrashers run and wasted 1900 plat lol

[Airity]

I think STS could do a pretty easy fix for this problem. They could make it so when a player is creating a game, they may choose an option called "Elixer Reccomended" (for example). This would be similar to locking a game but it wouldn't require "a key" to get in. It would just be a heads up to players. Players whom don't want thrasher groups can hit "Ignore Elixer Reccomended" and problem solved!

-Airity

[Mothwing]

I grinded to 66 in the first couple days for the MFA glitch ;) But since then I haven't touched Humania. Mainly because it still has that new campaign smell, and I don't like it. I'll wait a bit until the try-hards are done with their gig (no offense) and then start making my way up without pots. Sorry, but I like to stop and smell the roses. So, I can't say I have seen booting lately, because I haven't. I've only ran with some old time friends and maybe in Mt. Fang with strangers, but you can't really boot people there. So, if you do what I do, and level at Mt. Fang until you can't, you can at least stop the problem for a little bit. And by that time there will hardly be any thrasher runs out there.

[McBain]

Thankfully, the latest patch makes it so that the Humania bosses don't spawn until the mobs are mostly dead, so you can't run straight to the boss anymore. Lots of times, I'd be halfway through a map in a PUG, and if there was an open spot, a Thrasher player would jump in and just run straight to the boss and kill him. It would usually happen in one of those public games with no host (in other words, un-bootable). We're taking the time to grind and put the work in, and some guy waltzes in and steals the drop, making the whole run useless. That used to really grind my gears.

[Wererhino]

People just get so offended when they're booted. You join a group, the group doesn't want you, booted. You just lost 5-10 seconds of your time. Butt hurt?

[nazgulking]

People just get so offended when they're booted. You join a group, the group doesn't want you, booted. You just lost 5-10 seconds of your time. Butt hurt?

Next time, try to read the thread before posting. You haven't even read the title in my opinion.

[styg2012]

Elite=Who uses most cash.

[Engelhard]

I think it would be cool if when you hosted thrasher only games if there was some way to put a restriction for noone to enter without thrasher. It would put an end to alot of booting and let alot of players with the same goals play together Just my 2 cents Plus if your booted for no thrasher its nothing personal strictly business

[Energizeric]

I think it would be cool if when you hosted thrasher only games if there was some way to put a restriction for noone to enter without thrasher. It would put an end to alot of booting and let alot of players with the same goals play together Just my 2 cents Plus if your booted for no thrasher its nothing personal strictly business

Better idea is to just put a password on your game and invite who you want. If your game has no password then it's a public game and you should not be booting anyone unless they misbehave.

[Paladinslaya]

Ya know whats funny? I made a lvl 1 just for fun, and i payes 5 plat for my level 1 to go in Humania. I walked into a thrasher run. They didn't boot me!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was like wtf man? U don't boot me, but u boot my lvl 68 angel bear?????? I was ticked. I did get to level 11 tho lol on that one access all game instances. LOL! I think thats pathetic.

[Shellkaz]

LMBO. That is just too funny.

Back on topic. As a general rule I don't boot from any game I'm hosting. I'll boot for not contributing, trying to trade during a run yeah it happens and for me it was at the boss no less. I will politely explain that I'm holding a spot for another player. Most times they will leave without a fuss. *That being said I rarely hold spots. It's usually a first come first serve with me.

I leveled on thrasher, but for a practical reason, I'm the master of my guild. I frequently get asked for help clearing maps, leveling, or the run just needs a Mage in the party. I finish my run and jump in to help. But . . . I don't like leaving a good party thats really tearing through the maps to help with a boss, and the find mynspot has been filled. So I use thrash to cap. Then I take my alt and enjoy the trip. :-) so I do get to have it both ways..

Side note: one of these days I'm going to finish a locked run and then take my time walking back through and really just look at those new maps. I think we are all missing the best part of these maps. :-)

[JaytB]

Ya know whats funny? I made a lvl 1 just for fun, and i payes 5 plat for my level 1 to go in Humania. I walked into a thrasher run. They didn't boot me!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was like wtf man? U don't boot me, but u boot my lvl 68 angel bear?????? I was ticked. I did get to level 11 tho lol on that one access all game instances. LOL! I think thats pathetic.

Hahaha, I had a lv1 joining us in fang a while back, was that you? We didn't boot him either, but he just left.

As for the booting, everyone is free to boot, that's why that 'kick' button is there. Personally though, I rarely boot. If I want someone to leave, I just politely ask them to do so (when it's full for example, but I forgot to put a pass on the room). 9 out of 10 the player is understanding and just leaves. I'd never kick a person without asking him/her to leave first. Showing a bit of courtesy goes a long way.

[Riccits]

Elite=Who uses most cash.
sad but true...
but PL wasnt always that, there was better times

[kiitz]

Free-to-play games are pretty much always like that and its a necessary part of the game in order for the game company to make money and produce content for everyone else who isn't buying plat/spending money. The trick is getting the right balance, so there is still a point to play if you aren't spending a ton of money. As soon as it feels like people are just buying levels and gear out right, the whole thing loses all of its appeal. That is partly what turned me off from DL. At the very least, PL still requires a fair bit of grinding and playing. The best gear is not purchased. Its true thrashers make it, oh, let's say 4x easier, but the people who use thrashers still spend hours and hours playing the game and grinding.

If you want a game that isn't like this, there are a ton of subscription based RPG games, with bind on equip or bind on pick up gear and nothing is purchased with real money, except the subscriptions to play. Play a game like that and you have to go "earn" all your gear by actually defeating the bosses that drop the gear you want and winning the drop rolls for the gear -- the most well known game would be World of Warcraft.