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asommers
02-03-2022, 11:57 AM
We are collecting feedback for the Lunar New Year 2022 event in order to improve future events.

Feel free to post your likes, dislikes, comments, and criticism!

-ALS

Champist
02-04-2022, 02:36 PM
Maybe add unlocked crates in token vendor so people have something nice to use tokens on after buying the heroic pet

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Arcdagger
02-04-2022, 02:36 PM
Egg drop rarity is fine but i think we could use more useful rewards like gold and consumables

JFARADAY
02-04-2022, 02:38 PM
the pet design is good, what I don't like is nowadays vanity event , they all getting smaller, improve the vanity design please thanks ;)

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Frequenxy
02-04-2022, 02:39 PM
Would like to see unlocked locked crate for the non-plat users to grind and try thier luck. And try to make the eggs and vanity to drop in new expansion, expansion is kindda quiet.

Xyv.io
02-04-2022, 02:50 PM
We don't like invisible vanity weapons for rogues :)

dualray
02-04-2022, 03:25 PM
Overall great event for Chinese New Year.
Thank you.


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Encryptions
02-04-2022, 03:38 PM
Rework the token amount given based on the rarity of the fire work. Like some fireworks cost more because they are looted in higher level maps but all give 1 token.
-All events with pets. Stop with the same passive aa, this event is nice with the new pet passive. But this "summons an aura" "attacks a mob" aa is boring and the "attacks a mob with the chance to bla bla" passive is also boring. Looking for stuff like passive: "On attack 23% chance to recover all skill cooldowns for the player, 8% chance in pvp. Ultimate is not included." Or an AA: "Makes your team immune to damage for 4.5 seconds, pvp 2 seconds."
A new consumable item called "Dragon's Noodles", when consumed it gives 70% exp, 20% damage, 10% movement speed stacking, and 15% damage reduction stacking for 1hour and it costs 300k in the vendor. Effects can be changed if too op. Some idea for a gold sink.
Make arcanes lootable in higher level maps only, we shouldn't be running kt4 for arcanes when we can't even farm energy kits there in other events. Increase the chance to loot arcane / heroic.

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Synergia
02-04-2022, 04:06 PM
Awesome Event I realy enjoyed it.
Getting 7500 Tokens for the pet for a lil bit exhausting tho but overall killing killjoy with friends was fun
Also getting my monitor lag cause of people spamming fireworks xD

Ploid
02-04-2022, 04:13 PM
Rework the token amount given based on the rarity of the fire work. Like some fireworks cost more because they are looted in higher level maps but all give 1 token.
-All events with pets. Stop with the same passive aa, this event is nice with the new pet passive. But this "summons an aura" "attacks a mob" aa is boring and the "attacks a mob with the chance to bla bla" passive is also boring. Looking for stuff like passive: "On attack 23% chance to recover all skill cooldowns for the player, 8% chance in pvp. Ultimate is not included." Or an AA: "Makes your team immune to damage for 4.5 seconds, pvp 2 seconds."
A new consumable item called "Dragon's Noodles", when consumed it gives 70% exp, 20% damage, 10% movement speed stacking, and 15% damage reduction stacking for 1hour and it costs 300k in the vendor. Effects can be changed if too op. Some idea for a gold sink.
Make arcanes lootable in higher level maps only, we shouldn't be running kt4 for arcanes when we can't even farm energy kits there in other events. Increase the chance to loot arcane / heroic.

Sent from my SM-G892A using TapatalkAgreed with most of the points. But there are only limited things that can be done in terms of AAs. They did add damage reelection to Arcanite Saphire tho.

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Avaree
02-04-2022, 04:46 PM
More envelopes obtained when opening rarer fireworks
More frequent spawn rates, and better drops in endgame content
Add unlocked crates for F2P


One thing I highly dislike about events like Lunar, is OP ms/dmg characters nuking boss before all players in the map are with in range to loot. For newer players who don’t have a speed set, who spend the 5k for elix, miss out on a lot of drops.

Drewcalyce
02-04-2022, 05:27 PM
It's all good.

Salvatory
02-04-2022, 05:30 PM
we usually receive the rewards a few days after the event. often events come with 2 weeks or 3 weeks and we are more than halfway through the event without having something ''good'' to pursue. in events that have unlocked available for tokens, players have a greater desire to want to continue the event until the last day.
I know that a lot of people don't like to decorate their house, but how about bringing furniture from home for tokens and giving everyone the experience that they can assemble a house just by running at the event, thus stimulating him and maybe even making him like decorate your house.
add elixir, alixir jewel, old pets, (costing few tokens depending on the pet) this would all help those who are running seasonal including hc

Crocodile
02-04-2022, 05:46 PM
Love this event! Great rewards, pets, vanities and thank you for not introducing more aura.

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kennetics
02-04-2022, 06:26 PM
I hope we will have contest or anything that will give us new ideas about new vanities, pets, or weapon. Or a contest for valentines that showing love for Arcane Legends. Just like Halloween Contest :)

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Posl
02-04-2022, 06:34 PM
it would be nice to use during lunar new year event only use and disappear like energy events token but in item form instead of fire work only...
- A custom and role play map for lunar new year
- special treat for special day -
every time we enter that map we automatically wear the set and cant equip other items and we have to play through that map - a story quest line - also you can leave the map if you want to and when you get out of the map the set will disappear itself - and when you rejoin the map of the event you can start from the where you left - but to enter that map again you have to pay 5k gold after once you first left the map -- and so so
if u want me to contuinue with this idea i can i could give you all more but only if ur interested reply ....other that oh well thanks for reading....

freebump
02-04-2022, 06:54 PM
-firework token should base on rarity
-previous fireworks (old) should not contain token but don't delete it

Immortal_Blood
02-04-2022, 07:39 PM
Maybe add unlocked crates in token vendor so people have something nice to use tokens on after buying the heroic pet

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+1 every event

Immortal_Blood
02-04-2022, 07:47 PM
Rework the token amount given based on the rarity of the fire work. Like some fireworks cost more because they are looted in higher level maps but all give 1 token.
-All events with pets. Stop with the same passive aa, this event is nice with the new pet passive. But this "summons an aura" "attacks a mob" aa is boring and the "attacks a mob with the chance to bla bla" passive is also boring. Looking for stuff like passive: "On attack 23% chance to recover all skill cooldowns for the player, 8% chance in pvp. Ultimate is not included." Or an AA: "Makes your team immune to damage for 4.5 seconds, pvp 2 seconds."
A new consumable item called "Dragon's Noodles", when consumed it gives 70% exp, 20% damage, 10% movement speed stacking, and 15% damage reduction stacking for 1hour and it costs 300k in the vendor. Effects can be changed if too op. Some idea for a gold sink.
Make arcanes lootable in higher level maps only, we shouldn't be running kt4 for arcanes when we can't even farm energy kits there in other events. Increase the chance to loot arcane / heroic.

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+1 for purchase consumables in vendor.

Also I've noted elite cryogem mines as awesome place to farm lunar event (more areas applicable for events like this please)

E.g make all areas applicable for farming event. To play the same map over and over for 10 hours IS boring, trust me I know, farming 50,000 kills in the magma fields type of boring.

And for everyones info , planar tombs is classified as level 80+ (as a level 81 atleast -looted a thunderbolt firework there).

Immortal_Blood
02-04-2022, 07:49 PM
More envelopes obtained when opening rarer fireworks
More frequent spawn rates, and better drops in endgame content
Add unlocked crates for F2P


One thing I highly dislike about events like Lunar, is OP ms/dmg characters nuking boss before all players in the map are with in range to loot. For newer players who don’t have a speed set, who spend the 5k for elix, miss out on a lot of drops.

+1 for drops lootable anywhere in the map regarding events. Seems like this is already implemented in elite maps but I'm not sure.

Immortal_Blood
02-04-2022, 07:52 PM
More envelopes obtained when opening rarer fireworks
More frequent spawn rates, and better drops in endgame content
Add unlocked crates for F2P


One thing I highly dislike about events like Lunar, is OP ms/dmg characters nuking boss before all players in the map are with in range to loot. For newer players who don’t have a speed set, who spend the 5k for elix, miss out on a lot of drops.

Can't edit my previous post but. Oh and +1 for the other three points too

Immortal_Blood
02-04-2022, 07:54 PM
it would be nice to use during lunar new year event only use and disappear like energy events token but in item form instead of fire work only...
- A custom and role play map for lunar new year
- special treat for special day -
every time we enter that map we automatically wear the set and cant equip other items and we have to play through that map - a story quest line - also you can leave the map if you want to and when you get out of the map the set will disappear itself - and when you rejoin the map of the event you can start from the where you left - but to enter that map again you have to pay 5k gold after once you first left the map -- and so so
if u want me to contuinue with this idea i can i could give you all more but only if ur interested reply ....other that oh well thanks for reading....

Good idea yes. Event zone for events. Though I see why lunar new year can be all of arlor... Though a lunar themed arlor would be awesome...

Immortal_Blood
02-04-2022, 08:04 PM
And finally my thing is ...

running the same map over and over is... For lack of better word I'll say boring.

Not sure the exact terminology but, in beat creation some artist use a technique which makes the music sound unpredictable, yet still great, and like any other beat you love.

Take note of this principle and add to events/game if possible.

I think of the mausoleum for one example, I recall cinco telling us there's 500 variations of map. Yet it's still the same and recognisable.

Thanks bye

jhano_rm
02-04-2022, 08:07 PM
Rework Vanity weapons.

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snakeeyes
02-04-2022, 08:30 PM
One of the best event, tiger pet hb is for all type of class not just like before 1s for war 2nd for rogue 3rd for mage. But the weapon vanity is not so good looking.

snakeeyes
02-04-2022, 08:34 PM
Same as the arcane vanity tiger looks like a year 1980s voltron old design, maybe a little upgrade just like gundam robot design. XD

Yoloswagx
02-04-2022, 08:43 PM
Maybe add a chest loot? that can drop rare items, Im not talking about locked chest but rather a chest that works the samr as elite golden warchest,pirate,puzzlebox which can drops something crazy but rare

So new players can farm them and sell them to make golds to others who wants to gamble for those items in those chest.

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menreiki.hayagan11
02-04-2022, 11:54 PM
The event was fine, the egg drop rate was fine, the new released pets are fine but there's still a room for improvement for vanities, idk what's happening at these events, if we're not getting a jumpsuit vanity we're going to have a toothpick weapons just as what happened this lunar event like c'mon, AL should create new designs for vanities we don't want to have the same repetitive designs, toothpick weapons, and recolored vanities. I know it could be better but the tiger bow is just so underwhelming.

Other point(s)*
- add unlocked crates at token vendor next year.
- increase the token the can be earned at firecrackers depending on its rarity.

Thank y'all devs at this event[emoji175]


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Kakashis
02-05-2022, 12:06 AM
Was expecting a new years pet like previous years. High base stats, high damage, high gold loot, high luck. Just didn't materialize this year and even for me there's nothing worthy of collecting. Was hoping for a surprise golden or platinum aura, but nothing happened. Also collecting the envelopes was a pain and slow process. Most of the best items came from crates.

codered
02-05-2022, 02:08 AM
Give us more option on spending token, the vanity isnt convincing so far. Maybe u can add kiljoy elixir using token or jewel elixir crate can be bought using token, but this event overall good.

Marosok
02-05-2022, 06:41 AM
What i would welcome:
- more detailed passive description for pets (explanation of 35% from sapphire)
- higher spawn chance of kil'joy from zodias maps, i could spawn him 1-3x per sunken fleet run (so bad)
- maybe a little higher chance to loot eggs from latest maps (chances seem same)

Nothing much to add, i like design of pets.

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Markods
02-05-2022, 07:47 AM
👍
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWFGGyF5sqA

chiiwawa
02-05-2022, 09:45 AM
Im not going to go into my feedback i sent in private survey but along with what i said - it would be nice to have a designated place to set them off instead of everywhere. Not only is there an issue like the one i sent in but its also frustrating when your in the middle of something and suddenly can't move or see what your doing due to your entire screen being covered in exploding fireworks.

Kaziscate
02-05-2022, 03:44 PM
I thought the overall pace with getting the heroic pet was pretty good. The thing that I think really needs to change is that higher levels need more rewards. Kil'Joy should give more tokens at level 81 with a higher chance of eggs. I also wish that the locked crate was a separate drop since it interferes with token farming.


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Twomucho
02-05-2022, 04:38 PM
I really like these types of events where you can do aps while running the event at the same time. Makes it worth playing , thanks sts

Avaree
02-05-2022, 09:18 PM
+1 for drops lootable anywhere in the map regarding events. Seems like this is already implemented in elite maps but I'm not sure.

I didn’t mean for players to say at start of map and be able to run and pick up loot after boss is dead, that would be highly exploited.

kiddlefrog
02-06-2022, 06:20 AM
Ita ighttt. you know...

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PatD
02-06-2022, 08:12 AM
Like many have said:

- Rarer fireworks should give more enveloppe
- Should be more rewarding to run in endgame map, we should not be stuck to run in kt4
- Maybe more thing to buy from vendor?

Thank you :)

Boba Fett
02-06-2022, 12:26 PM
This event doesn't really bring that farming spirit as it did in the previous years, just saying, something is missing, probably the pets themselves, also, there should be more events with free to open crates because of the high number of non-plat users, let's say... maybe add a lower drop for these type of chests, but better odds.

terapan
02-06-2022, 07:11 PM
Ah, sts can you changes wisp and pet holder with other holder? Back, helm, armor, weapon holder? Please...

Hasifxxx
02-07-2022, 06:42 AM
I hope we will have contest or anything that will give us new ideas about new vanities, pets, or weapon. Or a contest for valentines that showing love for Arcane Legends. Just like Halloween Contest :)

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Player AL
02-07-2022, 08:44 AM
Feel free to post your likes, dislikes, comments, and criticism!


As you wish, sir...

Lei shen was looking like good pet, so rich description of passive, debuffs omfg, I wasted hours trying to loot it, bought from auction, wasted days to lvlup this useless pet (because you devs changed XP given to pets and its so hard to lvl up pets now) just to check how often his passive will debuff/stun enemies in pvp and check mana regen from aura. So, after 2 full matches against rogue in tdm (its like 35+ rounds per match or 70+ rounds total) it debuffed enemy's damage only once, stunned enemy only 2 times (25% chance to stun? looks more like 2-3% chance to stun in pvp). About mana regen, this new pet aura for mana regen gives mana as outdated arcane mishi, and heroic mishi still gives more. So, this pet is totally useless as HB, as AA and as passive/aura. Question why is it so low chance to loot such a trash pet? I tried suggest about rogue mana regen by mastery (it is bugged atm for many years in pvp and obviously has to be changed), but getting ignored.

About free pet by tokens (H.tsunami) - it is just trash (as expected), wish you weren't so greedy and could make some good free pets for pve (like geng/timur/bao etc... with gold loot/luck/xp bonuses).
In general about pets, are you even going write their descriptions correctly? Arc sapphire passive gives %stacking damage, Heroic tsunami HB also stacking %damage, why I have to buy pets to check things, or asking friends... what's problem to give correct descriptions alteast for new pets.

Tokens vendor: there nothing to buy by tokens lol. I'm playing on rogue (didn't check vanities for other classes), have you even seen that vanity daggers? Just compare any old legendary weapon to design of any current weapon or vanity weapon, maybe you will get what I am talking about

Only good thing is free aura/pet holders at this event.

Great event! Thank you! Was I enough CONSTRUCTIVE this time? or I'm again going get banned for no reason because bad criticism/bad feedback is not allowed here? lol

kennetics
02-07-2022, 08:55 AM
+1 yea.. especially for the vanity.. Many out there are talented in design .. Give them the opportunity and they will give the best design!

Sent from my M2101K9AG using TapatalkI think its a good idea to make a contest about the next vanity, aura or pets, it can be a drawing or digital design. Then lets vote by tapping "thank" to the design. This idea will avoid many complaints of players and will show participation and unity to the AL community, the winners will receive plats and the vanity, aura or pet that they design :)

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flashio
02-07-2022, 04:50 PM
I'm happy the team has decided to bring back these feedback threads after the event, hope it stays this way and you actually take the suggestions into consideration.
1:Better loots for endgame content, need a way to incentivate players to play a currently dead endgame and it's just common sense that hardest content gives best loots.
2:Firecrackers should give tokens respectively with their rarity, a firecracker available at lvl10 giving same tokens as a lvl80+ exclusive is nonsense.
3:Make KilJoy Elixir increase chance for higher tokens and loots, maybe add a 10% for higher tokens, 5% for locks, 3% vanities, 2%myth/arcane, 1%heroic. If seems too much buffing maybe can increase lix price to 8k,this would help as a small gold sink too.
4:Rework rates for lootable items, locks are way too common, giving vanities a lower rate would be good to make these items actually worthy, eggs are way too rare, have several friends who have farmed over 60k tokens to get 1 Lei only and I guess same goes for hero tsunami.
5:Add more stuff to Token Vendor such as Unlockeds, Currency Chests, Jewel Chests, etc. It's a 2 weeks event where the only thing to do is farm the boss for tokens, besides heroic pet and maybe holders there's not much in Vendor worth to buy.
6:Rebalance KilJoy hp on higher lvl maps, KilJoy has a considerably higher hp than regular mobs, it get its a mini boss but considering it spawns several times during the run, it makes the farming way slower on higher lvl maps.

modkill
02-07-2022, 05:12 PM
Rework/fix the rogue stance, so we can enjoy the bow without much issues due to how thick they thighs be, just move the bow arm a little bit for aesthetic reasons.

just a suggestion: i personally would pay ton of money if the every new vanity had a different cool standing/shooting/stabbing visual animations and that'd really be a game changer

also the vanity tiger armor looks decent but yall fr need a new designer for them vanities we know that it's hard to please all tastes but least make the vanities desirable.
hint: you can take alot of inspiration from other games.

but the event concept is soo good i like how you can freely grind at any time you want and the pets are amazing.

you can make an elixir that slightly increase the chance of event drops such as arcane egg and make it for like 30 platinum or so and would last for 30mins, similar to reroll chance but instead it increases the chance for arcane but not by alot tho (only during event and only works on event drops)

ty for your big efforts they really made my childhood.

Pyroflame
02-08-2022, 05:29 AM
I would comment abt the housing system, it is a good system for people to spend gold and be creative in game, it is a very great part of the game when u got visitors in house and have a chit-chat. Really miss the Blotto event when guidies visit other houses and do activity together. AL means a lot to people like me, not only playing game, running maps but also having real conversation with friends and have a chance to do something ur brain can think of. More house slots, more furnitures and maybe a new event or annual event for house designer pls. TY Devs!

Paktwo
02-08-2022, 10:59 AM
11 days straight farming 10-15hrs a day I only got 54cerella,0 lei egg,0 h tsunami. Nxtime can you implement guaranteed 1 lei egg after defeating 5000 kiljoy.

Paktwo
02-08-2022, 11:22 AM
And so lag always dc and dc can you buy 1 server and divide to Asia and global

Posl
02-08-2022, 06:56 PM
I'm happy the team has decided to bring back these feedback threads after the event, hope it stays this way and you actually take the suggestions into consideration.
1:Better loots for endgame content, need a way to incentivate players to play a currently dead endgame and it's just common sense that hardest content gives best loots.
2:Firecrackers should give tokens respectively with their rarity, a firecracker available at lvl10 giving same tokens as a lvl80+ exclusive is nonsense.
3:Make KilJoy Elixir increase chance for higher tokens and loots, maybe add a 10% for higher tokens, 5% for locks, 3% vanities, 2%myth/arcane, 1%heroic. If seems too much buffing maybe can increase lix price to 8k,this would help as a small gold sink too.
4:Rework rates for lootable items, locks are way too common, giving vanities a lower rate would be good to make these items actually worthy, eggs are way too rare, have several friends who have farmed over 60k tokens to get 1 Lei only and I guess same goes for hero tsunami.
5:Add more stuff to Token Vendor such as Unlockeds, Currency Chests, Jewel Chests, etc. It's a 2 weeks event where the only thing to do is farm the boss for tokens, besides heroic pet and maybe holders there's not much in Vendor worth to buy.
6:Rebalance KilJoy hp on higher lvl maps, KilJoy has a considerably higher hp than regular mobs, it get its a mini boss but considering it spawns several times during the run, it makes the farming way slower on higher lvl maps.

i like your 4th idea - "Rework rates for lootable items, locks are way too common, giving vanities a lower rate would be good to make these actually worthy, eggs are wa y too rare, have several friends who have farmed over 60k tokens to get 1 lei only and i guess same goes for hero tsunami." Espacially the "giving vanities a lower rate" this will be a so much of a game changing event like for real for real the market will be more balance and word vanity itself will have value on it like arcane items have - currently only arcane/arcanite and heroic word itself have value in game which sucks - and heroic title is losing it value so is arcane because of the egg event and new sets and weapons and new Arcanite eggs which is making the game more dead because people are leaving as some of these were their reasons because they cant afford it because of the tittle exclusive egg for certain event only << i know you guys are fixing this egg exclusive thing by bringing egg event but thats takes a year to come back in game again by than the value of egg will be raised too so high that every new player who looks at the prices of these items in auction they oh wow sooooo expensive -- and they will be like how do i earn gold - our answer - farm in event and merch so you can earn some f***** gold or get gold loot set and start grinding in map and which it will take them like 2-4 months to get proper gold loot set if they lucky if not probably will take longer like 7 months and to get the items to farm gold they need gears and do u think they got gears for farming in the maps no they dont and do you know how hard it to buy a proper set for them which will cost them 5-10millions gold even more if they are trying to get at least 2 arcane weapons with proper armor amulet ring and belt and helm and ofc if these new player got help from guild and got to max level from doing daily quest next thing they need to worry about is how to get speed set which will cost them at least 7-8m because of the current market value for ss and if they dont have ss in end game content they cant farm the maps and keep up with the older generation players and do you know how many f***** months it will take them to get everything ready at least 2-3months if they are lucky and was able to farm in events i doubt they will be able to keep up with the speed sets players in end game content to start properly playing without P2W in game it will take them least 5months andthey dont got the time for this rather they would go play other games and have fun enjoy their times in other games so im suggesting sts team members give the new players who get to start playing game a proper set of gear instead of the current useless sets you give them - at least give them gear that are effective in their proper level make it so that they dont have to farm so many weeks or months to start off with proper gears because if u dont give them - they will just be oh man so hard ahhhh cant farm anything with these crappy items i wish i had those goody items so i can at least kills those bosses with 4 men team without asking for help of other people(which is called begging for help in some cases)
-here is my second suggestion - REMOVE ALL THE QUEST THAT GIVES HUGE XP- SUCH AS RANGE FROM 300-900!!! OR ABOVE!!! BECAUSE THEY ARE LEVEL WAYYY TOOO FAST WHEN THEY ARE AT LEVEL 1-60!!!AND THEY DONT GOT GEARS TO KEEP UP WITH THE GAME CONTENTS!!! PUT LIKE 100 - 200 XP ON ALL THE HUGE DAILY QUEST XP GIVING IF NOT REPLACE IT WITH GOLD!!!WE ALL LOVE GOLD AND WHEN THEY HAVE GOLD THEY CAN KEEP UP WITH GAME CONTENTS AND GEARS!!!
- Here is my third suggestion - release an expansion with a maps that can scales with levels from 20 - 81 cap or whatever the cap it will be and on those maps people are able to farm xp and gold - but in this map gold loot set shouldnt matter everyone can farm on their own pace for gold and xp if they are lower levels than max levels also mobs and bosses should be scale with the level of the players that have enter in that map - and the people who have enter on that map shouldnt have gap betweens 5 levels - But in these maps they shouldnt give you more golds than current gold farms maps or future maps to farm gold - this way new players can have a map to farm xp and gold on so they dont get too left behind by p2w players and older generation players
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- anyway i could give you all more ideas reply if you want more suggestions

Paktwo
02-09-2022, 07:42 AM
Dear bro sts/Cinco if you're going to improve token vendor please delete or remove fireworks n all players inventory they're going to use it next year to earn gold... Anyway please plat sale 70% this month...
"Costumer is always right"

Oakmaiden
02-09-2022, 09:54 AM
It would be nice to have vanities that matched the holiday/event type. I don’t associate New Years with Transformers. A lack of an event map means wandering around trying to find a populated map. Drops should be equal where ever the boss spawns. The “5 levels” is restricting. Best drops in endgame maps feels like discrimination. Elixer should only work for the user, not the party.

Decentralized
02-11-2022, 06:08 PM
It would be nice to have vanities that matched the holiday/event type. I don’t associate New Years with Transformers. A lack of an event map means wandering around trying to find a populated map. Drops should be equal where ever the boss spawns. The “5 levels” is restricting. Best drops in endgame maps feels like discrimination. Elixer should only work for the user, not the party.

+1


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