Need Help 4 Paly / Paladin

[2L8]

Hi there.
I am a totaly cofused PL player and need your help to see the world bright and clear ^^
I try to keep it short;
Haven't played PL for more than 1 and a half year (switched to SL) and I decided to give it a new shot.
This time I want to create a little paly (had played full Dex/Bird - Str/Dex/Bear -Full Int/Entch before, 22 ~ 27), but the guides I read here are just confusing me.
Some says int/str, others say int/dex and also i read about str/dex.
So what shall I go for?
My Playstile;
Mainly I just wanna go PvE, farming mobs, solo and with mates. I am no pro or "hardcore" - gamer, so i wont get any useful pinkys

I am glad when you also can give me a reason on your hints, not just a "go x/y, thats cool!" more like "try to go for x/y, because, X gives you blabla, while enough Y is for yoyos ..."

I hope you know what I mean, and I am thankful for any useful hint or advice.

Greetz 2L8

[Plaguemaw]

My lv51 paladin is a STR/INT build

STR for high armor gear, INT for higher skill damage, also adds more hit than STR alone, but less than DEX

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[Xionskull]

Get blue hit face and get lvl 10 2% hit ring. At lvl 65-66 get 150 str rest dex, lemme find lvl 70-71.

[GoodSyntax]

Personally, I wouldn't start dual-spec until you get to level 35+. The problem is that at low levels you really can't wear good gear for either Int or Str, so you end up being stuck with gear 10 levels lower.

[Otukura]

Pally builds differ a ton depending on what level and what gear you're using. For example:

L.50 Rift would be str/int, because it adds a ton of hit
L.55 Fury would be str/dex, because it adds zero hit
L.60 Strongman Glyph would be str/dex, because it adds zero hit
L.60 Big Top Glyph would be str/dex/int, because it adds a moderate amound

str being the minimun strength needed for gear, dex either being whatever is left over, or in the Big Top's case, 67, and int being whatever is left over.

[Conradin]

At liw levels you might want int/str for more mana regen. Think will help you while tanking witha mana shield. You have lots of armor so try to get in the middle and set up combos (ice then fire) aswell as other spells on lots of mobs. You can heal with drain or heal (lol). Only put 1 point in revive. I have a dex/str pally at 51 that is very successful, but is made for pvp, ence the dex/str. It gives higher hit% as i use a dex armor. If you have any questions about gear or need help finding it, or stats and skills private message me on here and ill go ingame and help ya.

[bjordan]

Get blue hit face and get lvl 10 2% hit ring. At lvl 65-66 get 150 str rest dex, lemme find lvl 70-71.

Hate to be a noob but what its "blue hit face"?

[Otukura]

Hate to be a noob but what its "blue hit face"?

The Dark Elf face, adds +2 hit.

[bjordan]

The Dark Elf face, adds +2 hit.

Thanks for the clarification. I had no idea. I knew some vanity had bonus but didn't realize any of the faces did.

[DXDARKXSOULXD]

its up to u to deside its like make a custume account but up to u the difference is the skill

[2L8]

Thanks for the replies.
So, to get it right; First I should go full int, around ~35+ start with dual spec, going to 150str - rest int + dex armor?
Does anyone also got some skill advices? (like said, most focus is on PvE)

[Livemau]

dont do it be dex mage or pure int

[2L8]

Hm, okay. But why a DEX Mage? Is STR not that good for a Mage? And how shall I set my stats? 50/50 or this magical 150 Dex / rest Int setting? Like said, haven't played PL for more than a year, so I have no idea if i have missed some major changes or patches.
Sorry for those kinda dumb questions, but I prefer detailed answers, so I can get it right.

[Otukura]

I can't think of a level where str is better than int for a mage, except for 30. The damage from the iceberg long is insane.

The reason for a pally is to rev when all of your teammates die, which rarely happens if you play with (hopefully good) friends. You do very little damage, and your heal is almost non existent if you're dex-str.

[2L8]

Well, I don't have any "Friends" in PL, at least no one I know. So most of the time I am on a soloquest or I join some games with randoms.
With that in mind, do you think I shall toss the Pally idea to the trash and go for a DEX/INT Mage?
My actualy thoughts about a pally were to get the minimum of str for a little health and def boost, wearing heavy armor for a good def and still got enough int for a decent heal and skill dmg.
I wanna deal some good dmg, but I dont wanna go for a full Int Mage.
Gha, I am getting more confused about that. This is just a silly game and I am more worried about it than a final exam XD

[Deuvevax]

Ok let's clear this up. If you are a paladin or want to be a paladin, it's good to use the following things at lvl 65 or 70.

1. The Dark Elf face. This adds more to you hit%

2. The 2% hit 10 damage DEX ring. This also allows you to have extra hit%.

3. At lvl 65 or 66 your STR and DEX stats should look like this- 150 STR and 170 DEX. If the DEX is a bit higher than I say don't worry about it. Also if some complicated reasons put 1 point to INT.

4. At lvl 65 or 66 use the "Crafted Orlok Set." if you own a "Everlasting Angel Set," use that.

5. At lvl 70 or 71 your STR and DEX stats should look like this- 170 STR (rest of the points should be DEX but add 1 point to INT.)

6. At lvl 70-71 use the "Sand Walker Set."

-NOTICE- this is a quick endgame guide that I threw together, if you have any question ask me or AbsolutePally. Also, if you were wondering the Hit% allows you to actually Hit and not Miss.

~Deu

[GoodSyntax]

My Opinions:

INT/STR Build (Pally)
This build gives you better armor, boosts your dodge and grants a much higher HP pool at the cost of a lowered mana pool, lowered Hit % and a decrease in your total AOE skills (heal, firestorm, lightning, etc.). The biggest benefit of a Pally build is that you have more survivability for soloing, can serve as a tank in some cases and, often enough, with your Mana Shield, can be the only one left standing against a tough boss, so you are the rezz of last resort. If your gaming style is to go charging into a mob, debuff and execute your AOE skills, then this is the build for you. Other builds are simply too squishy for a mage if this is how you like to play.

INT/DEX Build (Dex-Mage)
This build gives you much better hit %, crit and DPS, grants a small increase in dodge, and gives you access to bows, X-Bows and other DEX gear, so your auto-attacks have much better range than wands and staffs. The biggest benefit in a DEX build is the hit and crit. STR focused builds always suffer from low hit %, which will mean that a considerable percentage of your attacks will miss. With high DEX, your are less likely to miss on your attacks and because of the high crit, there is a chance that the damage can be doubled. Couple this build with the Blessing of Might buff, and your crit goes through the roof - which will mean that EVERY attack that hits is a crit with double damage! The drawback of this build is armor and dodge. As with the Pally build, your maximum AOE damage and mana pool are reduced as well. If you like to play as a support mage, or you just don't like wading into the fray and prefer to use ranged attacks, then this is a great build.

Full INT Build (Nuke)
This build focuses on dealing maximum AOE damage! Your AOE skills (firestorm, lightning, etc.) dish out more damage than any other build in the game and can annihilate even high level mobs with a class combo (freeze+firestorm). This build also serves very well as a support mage, as your heals will restore more HP than alternative builds. The biggest drawback to this build is hit %, HP pool and obviously armor. Because of how fragile this build can be, they are often referred to as "glass cannons" because they deal immense damage, but are often one-hit killed. For this type of build, you have to stay back and let the tanks round up mobs and you charge in, debuff, nuke, and run back to safety.

STR/DEX Build
I honestly don't see that much value in this build as your AOE damage is very low (which is supposed to be the strength of the Mage class). Granted, you see an increase in hp, armor, dodge, hit %, crit and DPS, but you sacrifice your mana pool and AOE damage. You are totally reliant on your auto-attacks for damage and your armor and HP regen for survivability. I have seen a handful of these builds, but in my opinion, you are nerfing the best attributes of your class (AOE).

Tri-Build (INT/STR/DEX)
I have seen a few of these types around, and at end game, may actually be viable, but for most of the game, you are stuck with only being able to equip gear many levels lower than the current map would allow. This class would be the jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type, where your AOE damage is equivalent to someone 15-25 levels lower, but you do have slightly better armor, hp, hit, dodge and DPS than a full INT mage. If your intent is to utilize this build, commit to a different type during lower levels and respect when you are at or near the cap. Personally, I haven't played as this build, so I cannot offer up any guidance on gameplay.

[bjordan]

Interesting thread. I like the 2L8 am playing PL again after an extended break (about a year and a half). I have a level 57 STR/INT Pally that I was playing before the break. At the time they seemed like a popular and affective build.

I find myself playing my 52 dex bird much more than my Pally now due to low damage on my Pally. After reading this thread I think I'll respect to a pure INT mage or DEX/INT build. I'm leaning towards pure INT. I don't mind only playing my mage in groups.

[~A~]

I have a 32 paly and she is str/int... I'm pretty sure that the only pally there is... Otherwise it's called a nuke Mage(full int) or dexchantress(dex/int)

[bjordan]

I have a 32 paly and she is str/int... I'm pretty sure that the only pally there is... Otherwise it's called a nuke Mage(full int) or dexchantress(dex/int)

That's a good point.

[2L8]

My Opinions:

INT/STR Build (Pally)
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INT/DEX Build (Dex-Mage)
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Full INT Build (Nuke)
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STR/DEX Build
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Ah. Thanks! This is something i was looking for. :D
After reading this, I am not sure if I gonna go the Pally-way anymore. On the one hand it would be cool to be "the last man standing" (I like the support way), but on the other hand this also sounds kinda boring. :S

I guess first I will go for the full Int mage and going to respec to Dex/Int later (because I dont want to use the same staff all the time ^^ ).

Thank you :)

[GoodSyntax]

@2L8

It's entirely dependent on how you want to play. I like to charge in (like a tank) and deal AOE damage. I am always on the front line next to the tank waiting to contribute to combos and mega-combos. My toon can absorb incredible damage - especially with the mana shield, so it fits nicely with how I like to play. It's also super helpful when you get into a PUG (pick-up group) where there are no tanks, are lower level, or simply cannot work well in a group. I started off as an INT mage and died A LOT during boss encounters and disjointed PUGs, and since I respeced to a INT/STR mage, I die much less often.


If you would prefer to be a "clean up specialist" then INT mage is definitely the way to go. Always run in groups and let the tanks and birds soften up the mob before you waltz in and blast everything away. Just be aware that INT mages are super-squishy and needs to have a tank around for mob control. Without a tank controlling the mobs, you will likely get aggro and everything ends up targeting you!


Personally, I think that the DEX-Mage is a PVP build. They deal terrific damage but are easily killed by high level mobs. Even with the mana shield, the base armor is just so low that you wouldn't survive too many hits.


Hopefully, you have a high level toon, because the Angel set, crafted Fang set and the Humania sets give INT mages really good armor stats - almost as good as a full STR bear! With a high level character, you can switch between a damage dealing support mage (staff + damage ring) or a more pedestrian attack mage (wand + bracer + armor ring). The two types play very different styles!

[2L8]

Okay, first off; What is a "toon" ? I just know toon as a short of Cartoon ^^"
If you mean a "mainchar" or something like that, than I have to say I got nothing in a high Lv range (like said, my chars are ~ Lv 25).

And about my playstile; I am not rly sure about it. I want to deal good dmg but also dont want to die easy.
But I would prefer a saftey playstile more than an "all in" (like, pull 2 ~ 3 mobs, kill them, get the next one, insteat of rush into the room and spam all u got).
I also want to be prepared for a solo dungeon. This doesn't mean that I allways want to go solo, but I have seen enough bears wich can not tank or thinks
"Hey, I got a mage in my team! PULL ALL THE ROOOOOOOOOOM!!!" -> I healed them, they die (hey, I also have CD), I get the aggro, I die. Also enough Mages with
"Heal? Why should I heal? MY health is ok. Revive? Don't know what that is, I don't need it to farm mobs.".
So my faith in "randoms" is kinda low. I also got no friends who play this game and I also can't find new, because either they play this game all day and rush one LV after another or they go offline and will never come back.
:(

[Tayvar]

Now that we have the new stat calculator I tried out several builds for my enchantress and the one I like the most is Int/dex. If you notice gear requirements per level follow a pattern of +3 additional intel/dex/strength for each level increased. We get 5 stat points per level. Basically I'm putting in enough Intel to use Intel gear for each level which is 3 points, which leaves me two left over that I'm putting into dex. This allows me to play the Healer/nuker/buffer role, but...I can actually hit my target(s) and crit as well, and get also get a little dodge. My dps has increased for auto attack significantly. So far I'm impressed with it. I recommend going to the stat calculator and play with it, see what works for you.

[GoodSyntax]

Now that we have the new stat calculator I tried out several builds for my enchantress and the one I like the most is Int/dex. If you notice gear requirements per level follow a pattern of +3 additional intel/dex/strength for each level increased. We get 5 stat points per level. Basically I'm putting in enough Intel to use Intel gear for each level which is 3 points, which leaves me two left over that I'm putting into dex. This allows me to play the Healer/nuker/buffer role, but...I can actually hit my target(s) and crit as well, and get also get a little dodge. My dps has increased for auto attack significantly. So far I'm impressed with it. I recommend going to the stat calculator and play with it, see what works for you.

This would be something along the lines of a DexChantress. Major drawback is a lack of survivability - but with the new end-game gear, it isn't as much of a problem, because the armor is comparable to STR gear (which is absurd in my opinion). The issue is your HP Pool, but with your high damage, DPS, and decent Dodge, you can probably handle most mobs. Bosses could pose a problem.

I have played with a DEX/INT build a few times, but I honestly like the STR/INT build better because it suits my playstyle. I don't like sniping and kiting with ranged weapons all the time - I prefer to be right next to the tank waiting to Ice Storm right after the bear Beckons, and casting Nightmare and Weakness in the middle of huge mobs, so I need the additional armor and HP pool.

You should post the link for the stat calculator (I keep forgetting to bookmark it) so everyone can try it out. It would certainly save some folks a few plat on respecs.