Kraken daggers broken?

[Advocacies]

I've seen vids about kraken daggers kinda broken i mean no offense to people who owns the dagger but seriously tho really overpowered thing just melts anything will daggers stay like this forever? Or is it intended for something new in zodias expansion like Elite Valley Gates ,Kinda hoping for something new in zodias expansion not just E sunken everyday something interested maybe? Any thoughts?

[Advocacies]

If you're asking why I'm pointing out daggers specifically because in previous expansion it was warriors on 71 with reflection meta and 76 mages with haste dmg output meta and maybe rogs? 81 with burst dmg meta

[championboost]

The daggers seem to not be as broken as people say

The other arc 81 weapons are just not as good apparently

#1 Rogue

[Switchback]

The daggers seem to not be as broken as people say

The other arc 81 weapons are just not as good apparently

#1 Rogue

They are completely broken, a #1 player would know that.

[danialazhad63]

What u unsatisfy?? It's better its being op for pve....no need to be jealous of other class just because ur current class arc weapon wasn't good enough... atleast it not one shot at pvp

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[Odewao]

They are completely broken, a #1 player would know that.true HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Advocacies]

What u unsatisfy?? It's better its being op for pve....no need to be jealous of other class just because ur current class arc weapon wasn't good enough... atleast it not one shot at pvp

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No one ever said about unsatisfied i mean no offense to anyone if this post offended you i was asking if people find the dagger overpowered or is this a sign of something new coming up it clearly say you didn't read enuf and just came up with a conclusion because of the title sorry bout that

[snakeeyes]

The arc 81 has 2 types of weapon
- Zodias 'boss killer' (guaranteed proc on charged attack) weapons will get additional effects when the proc activates on a boss or miniboss.
- Zodias 'PvE clear' type weapon proc damage is being increased overall (with the exception of the Kraken Battle Claws' damage aura).
- All the Zodias Arcane weapon proc cooldowns will be shortened.

Dev said that dagger belongs to PVE clear means mob cleaner, no need to nerf the damage of dagger to mob but because dagger is boss and mob cleaner the bow boss killer type will be useless against boss.

@asommers @Cinco why dagger pve clear has op damage on boss? We ned to know if it will be nerf or not on boss? Maybe buffs arc 81 bow 1 charge 1hit to all boss in zodias to make it a boss killer.

[Nexior]

They are completely broken, a #1 player would know that.#1 rogue in cringe meta

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[snakeeyes]

I saw rogue 1.2k dex with arcane claw kill boss in esunken 2mins with 1 proc with low dex just standing at the boss, can you watch the video of encryption https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JQK_GH7Isbw

[Advocacies]

I saw rogue 1.2k dex with arcane claw kill boss in esunken 2mins with 1 proc with low dex just standing at the boss, can you watch the video of encryption https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JQK_GH7Isbw
Jesus effortless taking down current expansion elite bosses and stuff clearly powerful weapon I'm still having doubts of it's power effortless killing bosses without a hassle it's like 7 items in 1 weapon all you need is the dagger and nothing else xd no offense the owners i love seeing rogs shine once again they have been forgotten during expansion 76 devs might add something new in expansion that requires strong dps that's where dagger comes up like how mages are really strong during expansion 76 fair enuf

[Susanne]

I've not used the arcanes yet so I'm just commenting on the information I have read and seen in a video.
I always thought that daggers were for clearing mobs and bows for bosses.
I do believe that we rogues definitely need a good bow for bosses, mari bow is, to put it mildly, useless. Hard to use and not good even in Hydra. Misses the target a lot and difficult to proc.
Maybe a compromise could be made between the two weapons?
More damage on the bow for instance?
I'll bide my time and see what happens before committing myself to purchasing but rogues do deserve better gears after the nightmare of pisces and mari.
Even I switched to mage and the difference was amazing after struggling in zodias on my rogue.
Maybe the daggers are meant to be like that for a reason like some have said. It's all conjecture at the moment and only a developer can put us in the picture. Hope everyone is enjoying Halloween. 🎃👻

[Advocacies]

I've not used the arcanes yet so I'm just commenting on the information I have read and seen in a video.
I always thought that daggers were for clearing mobs and bows for bosses.
I do believe that we rogues definitely need a good bow for bosses, mari bow is, to put it mildly, useless. Hard to use and not good even in Hydra. Misses the target a lot and difficult to proc.
Maybe a compromise could be made between the two weapons?
More damage on the bow for instance?
I'll bide my time and see what happens before committing myself to purchasing but rogues do deserve better gears after the nightmare of pisces and mari.
Even I switched to mage and the difference was amazing after struggling in zodias on my rogue.
Maybe the daggers are meant to be like that for a reason like some have said. It's all conjecture at the moment and only a developer can put us in the picture. Hope everyone is enjoying Halloween. 🎃👻
Yeah mari bow sucks hope devs buff bow fast charge time and proc rate as well as target lock

[tailwarrior]

I've not used the arcanes yet so I'm just commenting on the information I have read and seen in a video.
I always thought that daggers were for clearing mobs and bows for bosses.
I do believe that we rogues definitely need a good bow for bosses, mari bow is, to put it mildly, useless. Hard to use and not good even in Hydra. Misses the target a lot and difficult to proc.
Maybe a compromise could be made between the two weapons?
More damage on the bow for instance?
I'll bide my time and see what happens before committing myself to purchasing but rogues do deserve better gears after the nightmare of pisces and mari.
Even I switched to mage and the difference was amazing after struggling in zodias on my rogue.
Maybe the daggers are meant to be like that for a reason like some have said. It's all conjecture at the moment and only a developer can put us in the picture. Hope everyone is enjoying Halloween. [emoji316][emoji317]well snake did start a thread on it but no one responded to buff mari bow. It had issues similar to pisces dagger where it is impossible to proc for a long time ( since haste does not work in basic attack) and damage sucks on zodias elite bosses.

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[Advocacies]

After that long thread

People would agree that kraken dagger is broken and too powerful even worn naked it can still kill almost anything in few seconds

Suggestion is

Kraken dagger:
Significant damage nerf to bosses while damage to mobs remains untouched

Kraken bow:
Damage increase against bosses

Maria bow:
Proc rate/ Target lock/ tweak on charging speed

Rogue ultimate rework :

Rework on rogues ultimates and all can agree rogues skill set of ultimates sucks , Rework would be appreciated change for refuel and that regen ulti also aim shot ultimate prioritize main boss (1) mini boss (2) mobs (3) other objects (4)

[Skeleton Mike]

It is indeed overpowered, for what I saw in videos and in game, the thing is doing enemy base hp damage just like the eating machine bow and sword was doing before the nerf. So they know what they are doing.

Personally speaking I believe that the developers are not incompetent to balance things, this must be their tactic to increase the hype for weapons behind locked chests or in store, but we all know that a nerf is coming as it had happened in the past.

if true then it is a very scummy method of doing buisness, just like making threads about "toxic bashing" when players voice their frustrations in the forums :/

[InsanitrisesAL]

I haven't tried the arcs yet but ive seen them and id just like to say wars and sorcs been better class for quite a while now and rogues had the worst mythics imaginable , s/o to mari , not very effective at all unless your 3-400 m down in gears at the time that they originally released , rogues very unsatisfied with their mythics while sorc and wars can solo e sunk with easy , i personally think its time for rogue to once again take top , i mean lets be fair rogue was meant to do the most single target damage / things were changed so every class can clear mobs, i think this is just devs way to dial back to the original class layout

[InsanitrisesAL]

Also the people i see saying it's broken be one shotting elite sunk boss , or any other boss for that matter

[Advocacies]

I haven't tried the arcs yet but ive seen them and id just like to say wars and sorcs been better class for quite a while now and rogues had the worst mythics imaginable , s/o to mari , not very effective at all unless your 3-400 m down in gears at the time that they originally released , rogues very unsatisfied with their mythics while sorc and wars can solo e sunk with easy , i personally think its time for rogue to once again take top , i mean lets be fair rogue was meant to do the most single target damage / things were changed so every class can clear mobs, i think this is just devs way to dial back to the original class layout
I guess that's fair enough but hear me out what do you think about 1.2k dex or naked rogue with kraken dagger no ultimate no armor proc dealing triple or even more dmg than a 2.5k primary no ultimate no armor buff Don't get me wrong in the previous expansion i know how the rogs was unappreciated but thing is this isn't a skill set or ultimate skill issue it's about the equipment itself being broken ultimate skill made warrior and mage special i hope rogs ultimate skill set gets justice and have some rework

[Tchrwitch]

I mean last time was War and Mage Supremacy now that the fact its Rog Supremacy Acceptance is the Key [emoji23].

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[Stephencobear]

things were changed so every class can clear mobs, i think this is just devs way to dial back to the original class layout


If all classes are supposed to clear mobs then what’s the purpose of a mage?

Class balance is a thing of the past

[Switchback]

If all classes are supposed to clear mobs then what’s the purpose of a mage?

Class balance is a thing of the past

One of the main features of the arc 81 staff is high chance to stun. Tell us devs, why on earth I need to stun mobs when daggers are melting everything in its path with zero effort, gear, skill.

[Corviss the Lich]

I agree Kraken Daggers are broken, and it seems to deal % damage.

[Xyv.io]

You can shred bosses with gold loot set on after you proc daggers. Definitely not broken wtf you guys talking about xd

[snakeeyes]

hope dev break their silence soon, i agree also arc 81 dagger is broken on damaging to boss.

[AgentStonoga]

I haven't tried the arcs yet but ive seen them and id just like to say wars and sorcs been better class for quite a while now and rogues had the worst mythics imaginable , s/o to mari , not very effective at all unless your 3-400 m down in gears at the time that they originally released , rogues very unsatisfied with their mythics while sorc and wars can solo e sunk with easy , i personally think its time for rogue to once again take top , i mean lets be fair rogue was meant to do the most single target damage / things were changed so every class can clear mobs, i think this is just devs way to dial back to the original class layout

The e sunk difference is that sorc can fast kill mobs, but he's the weakest against e sunk boss. War can kill boss fast, but he's the weakest against mobs.
Rog with just kraken dags (which were supposed to be a mobs killer) CAN DO BOTH faster than sorc/war with gear worth billions. You can even use your gl set with daggs and nuke sunken.

[Player4L]

If they nerf they selling for 400m now is your chance to sell them

[bedyns1]

The e sunk difference is that sorc can fast kill mobs, but he's the weakest against e sunk boss. War can kill boss fast, but he's the weakest against mobs.
Rog with just kraken dags (which were supposed to be a mobs killer) CAN DO BOTH faster than sorc/war with gear worth billions. You can even use your gl set with daggs and nuke sunken.

+1000 Problem is that rogues running with just daggers and nothing else can oneshot bosses. Sts should adress this and change scaling on daggers so it does damage according to stats.

[bedyns1]

hope dev break their silence soon, i agree also arc 81 dagger is broken on damaging to boss.

I hope so too. This is an issue and should be addressed.

[Immortal_Blood]

well gg to all dagger holders, im glad u had fun! hahaha

[Yoloswagx]

Nerf dagger but swap wars rage ultimate to rogue then itll b balance

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[Oawaoebi]

Broken? Yes

Does it need a nerf? Not in particular

Better make it more available for all players.

Its ok that rogs have a more than op weapon maybe it should get a maximum of x amount of high damage kills but it’s fine that rogs have one op weapon

Coming from a mage


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[Advocacies]

Nerf dagger but swap wars rage ultimate to rogue then itll b balance

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Skill set and Weapons Power is different thing , all i can see here is ultimate skill problems and don't get me wrong i agree that the rogues skills are really needing a rework or buff personality but kraken dagger itself is doing a high level of damage like insane damage not a buff coming from a skill talking about a weapon proc

[Blackflash]

Skill set and Weapons Power is different thing , all i can see here is ultimate skill problems and don't get me wrong i agree that the rogues skills are really needing a rework or buff personality but kraken dagger itself is doing a high level of damage like insane damage not a buff coming from a skill talking about a weapon proc

Kraken dags is basically compensating for the long lost need o good skillset and ultimates. Nerfing is basically bringing rogues back to 0. Mythic weapons have trash proc rates for rogues so kraken dags is like balancing rogues with other classes which was uneven before.

[Observing]

Ngl its kinda crazy that these daggers have lasted this long without getting hotfixed

[Switchback]

Kraken dags is basically compensating for the long lost need o good skillset and ultimates. Nerfing is basically bringing rogues back to 0. Mythic weapons have trash proc rates for rogues so kraken dags is like balancing rogues with other classes which was uneven before.

Completely biased and falsified statement. Lmao. People just be saying stuff nowadays hoping others will just believe & parrot it.

[Sungee]

Just adjust dagger damage to boss, make it bow do that :)

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[Yoloswagx]

Nerf dagger but give rogue, wars ult( rage )
And everything will b balance. Just nerf it but give rogue that ult to compensate

x5 dex for rogue but x5 hp for warrior so these 2 classes will serve their role

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[Xyv.io]

Nerf dagger but give rogue, wars ult( rage )
And everything will b balance. Just nerf it but give rogue that ult to compensate

x5 dex for rogue but x5 hp for warrior so these 2 classes will serve their role

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I have never heard something this stupid in my life ever

[Adek Nakal]

war have immortalitity ult ,what 5x hp for lol nonsense stop being funny!

[bedyns1]

Ngl its kinda crazy that these daggers have lasted this long without getting hotfixed

+ 100 I agree, hope they get addressed sooner than later.

[AgentStonoga]

Nerf dagger but give rogue, wars ult( rage )
And everything will b balance. Just nerf it but give rogue that ult to compensate

x5 dex for rogue but x5 hp for warrior so these 2 classes will serve their role

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give rogs war ulti?
rog has 2-3 times higher base dps than war and you want to give them 6xdmg boost? they would nuke strongest bosses within a second.

[Blackflash]

give rogs war ulti?
rog has 2-3 times higher base dps than war and you want to give them 6xdmg boost? they would nuke strongest bosses within a second.

Then war will stay as the main character of al. You can tank with immortality ult get 6x str melt bosses with weapon procs. What role does war play? Everything.

[AgentStonoga]

Then war will stay as the main character of al. You can tank with immortality ult get 6x str melt bosses with weapon procs. What role does war play? Everything.

Tanking? Rogs/sorcerers don't really need that due to armor/hp procs.
Also, war can't be main character, because someone bas to clear mobs (and war is the weakest against mobs) - and that's sorc role (who's the weakest against bosses). In addition, war doesn't always kill bosses fast - problems with getting a proc, stuns, knocking, fails etc. Rog in pve is (was* due to op kraken daggers) in between - can kill bosses and mobs, but not as fast as war/sorc.
Also, rogue with 6x dex ult would be the most broken class - strongest in pve and also the strongest in pvp (remember that rogs are clowning other classes in pvp - and you want to make rog the strongest class in both, pve and pvp).

[snakeeyes]

Then war will stay as the main character of al. You can tank with immortality ult get 6x str melt bosses with weapon procs. What role does war play? Everything.

yes because the objective to finish the map is to kill boss only. thats why warior is superior to all class you can finish the map even leaving with so many mobs alive but you cant finish leaving the boss alive. but its unfair if rog can kill both mobs and boss fast just like claw is equal to nepta + rage ultimate unlimited + additional x6 dex its 100% broken.

[Narana.Solarie]

Why not just change the requirement to kraken set 3/3 to be able to proc?

Win-win for both sts and players. Players would need to buy set which makes the demand high. So ppl will open more locks and sts will earn sweet dolla$.

Let us rogs have something to look forward to for once since ages. If not rog class will just sizzle out and force us to switch class just like what happened while back during the evg :/


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[Oursizes]

tl;dr it sounds like warriors and mage players are crying nerf because Rogue is actually competitive now. Guessing it's the same warriors and mages that switched to those classes during evg meta. Keep in mind, warriors and mages both have mythics that when proced can do just as much damage as rogue daggers. But yes let's not focus on that, just on rogue weapons.

From someone who's actually used the daggers, yes they are strong, but not to the point where you end up "1 shotting" the boss like many people (most who likely haven't tested daggers themselves and just believe what's fed to them), are posting. I believe warrior and mage arcanes should be buffed to be competitive, rather than just nerfing rogue. After doing testing on Hydra with daggers, you take down hydra at about the same rate as a MYTHIC Neptaris, maybe a bit faster... but yes let's again ignore that piece. Why do warriors and mages want a buff to their arcanes AND nerf rogue daggers to be subpar to mythic items? Make it one or the other.

By the way, not just Hydra, but even in ESF map the daggers basically do damage similar to how neptaris does. Heck I know quite a few warriors that can clear faster than a rogue with daggers. Should we just nerf the warrior and mage class into oblivion too then in this case?

Also, keep in mind historically arcane weapons have always been meant to be strong/op because they're the top tier weapons (terror blade and ebon aegis(?) ring a bell...). They're meant to be OP for the current expansion for everyone who can afford them, and meant to last into the next expansion as a baseline/head start so you don't just go into the new expansion map and do 10 damage per hit...

Regardless of what happens it won't really affect me, because I can just spend the money to gear another class (although I like playing rogue's playstyle). But some players want to discriminate against a class because they're actually standing toe to toe.

[Advocacies]

tl;dr it sounds like warriors and mage players are crying nerf because Rogue is actually competitive now. Guessing it's the same warriors and mages that switched to those classes during evg meta. Keep in mind, warriors and mages both have mythics that when proced can do just as much damage as rogue daggers. But yes let's not focus on that, just on rogue weapons.

From someone who's actually used the daggers, yes they are strong, but not to the point where you end up "1 shotting" the boss like many people (most who likely haven't tested daggers themselves and just believe what's fed to them), are posting. I believe warrior and mage arcanes should be buffed to be competitive, rather than just nerfing rogue. After doing testing on Hydra with daggers, you take down hydra at about the same rate as a MYTHIC Neptaris, maybe a bit faster... but yes let's again ignore that piece. Why do warriors and mages want a buff to their arcanes AND nerf rogue daggers to be subpar to mythic items? Make it one or the other.

By the way, not just Hydra, but even in ESF map the daggers basically do damage similar to how neptaris does. Heck I know quite a few warriors that can clear faster than a rogue with daggers. Should we just nerf the warrior and mage class into oblivion too then in this case?

Also, keep in mind historically arcane weapons have always been meant to be strong/op because they're the top tier weapons (terror blade and ebon aegis(?) ring a bell...). They're meant to be OP for the current expansion for everyone who can afford them, and meant to last into the next expansion as a baseline/head start so you don't just go into the new expansion map and do 10 damage per hit...

Regardless of what happens it won't really affect me, because I can just spend the money to gear another class (although I like playing rogue's playstyle). But some players want to discriminate against a class because they're actually standing toe to toe.
We do not annihilate with this mythic weapon unless u have 2.5k+ primary and that's justified but 1.2k dex annihilating everything including elite sunken bosses mobs oh wow just plain balance don't you think? ; )

[snakeeyes]

i think make this a nee feedback to the arcane 81 weapon because they close the feedback

[snakeeyes]

i see some player take advantage using this dagger rent to dominate lb and all elite zodias map they are paying gold for that.

[Oursizes]

We do not annihilate with this mythic weapon unless u have 2.5k+ primary and that's justified but 1.2k dex annihilating everything including elite sunken bosses mobs oh wow just plain balance don't you think? ; )

again, 1) arcanes are meant to be more powerful than mythics. Hence there being a difference in rarity. 2) Rogue's have always meant to be superior in boss fights. Warriors are already good at bosses and well rounded (also it's hard to die as a warrior unless you just afk). 3) you want warriors to be top tier at bossing, survival and mobbing it seems. Should we petition to rename the game to warrior legends?

[Cinco]

A wide range of changes to Arcane (and Spirit) weapons is coming soon.

Closing so the feedback threads get all the attention. Thanks!


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