Events Are Hurting The Game

[Kaziscate]

Hello! I wanted to take some time to discuss about the way events in general are being handled. It’s always exciting to find out what event is coming next, but I feel like there has been an oversaturation of events to the point where it has cannibalized the rest of the game and there are a few issues with this.

There is almost no reason to farm endgame dungeons. The point of an endgame dungeon is that it rewards you with endgame loot. There almost is no endgame loot in zodias. The only things you really could farm is just aps, gold, vanities, and maybe spirit gear. Other than that, almost all of the endgame gear that players actually care about is locked behind events. It also is thematically disorienting that we can’t get underwater-themed gear from underwater dungeons, but we can from some random locked up crate we found in a forest. It was really cool when we had stuff like the Dreamscape expansion where we were able to make an arcane weapon out of farming for hundreds of hours and gold. If you didn’t want to endure the grind you just opened locks. We need more of that back in the game (the ability to farm arcane/mythic weapons not opening locks). Events have drawn attention away from enjoying endgame content and have become the endgame content itself. Just one week of no events is okay, as long as we have actual endgame loot in dungeons to keep us playing. Events aren’t the only way to keep players playing.

The quality of events has also taken a hit. The past few events have probably been ok or meh at best. They have also proved that we do not need an event every single week. With how frequent the events are happening I’ve been concerned about the dev team for a while. Are the devs being overworked to produce this many events?

One more thing I would like to add is that I really don’t like 1 week events since it puts pressure and makes it difficult to enjoy and get the most out of the event. It’s also not enough/barely enough time to get the things you want.

Well I’ve said what I’ve said about why I think events are doing the game more harm than good. Too much of anything is not good. I’m curious about what everyone else thinks about this. Lets also make sure that we keep it constructive. The ideas discussed here are about making the game better, not to attack you. Thanks :)

TL;DR
-Events replaced endgame dungeons
-Declining quality of events (and dev work?)
-1 week events aren’t very good
-Keep it constructive

[wrathfulcat]

I agree, at this point only thing to do is play event or wait for a decent event.

[godfather]

You seem to contradict yourself. Endgame content shunned upon because of events?( Add more loots like gears and etc.)? Not all events are good and thus many players are not participating it. Players instead invests their time farming golds on the endgame maps (sunken). There are only small events per year that are really worth farming than instead farming gold loots, so I found it irrational for you to say the opposite. There is no need to add additional loots from the endgame maps, players who invested 600 gl+ are farming 15m+ million perday; Adding additional loots is just a big bonus that is not logical in any point. And in turn, isn't it the same that players are farming gold by their diligence and hardwork to buy their sought gears? What difference would it make from looting a gear by a random chance? I think toiling and already seeing the end of the road is better, than hoping for a struck of luck in a few runs.

[Fytheo]

+1

Also, gold loot is such a bad thing and soooo boring. Hail to inflation ;-) Plus bot is still a thing and people still use it.

[Xyv.io]

Endgame content includes farming events + farming elite maps for gold/xp/items etc. It's all good and well.

[PostNoob]

+1

Also, gold loot is such a bad thing and soooo boring. Hail to inflation ;-) Plus bot is still a thing and people still use it.

What is boring is trying to enjoy farming for a Chance at something whereas with gold at least you are guaranteed something.

These maps are alot more fun than the previous expansion(s). I suppose you get out what you put in

[Advocacies]

What is boring is trying to enjoy farming for a Chance at something whereas with gold at least you are guaranteed something.

These maps are alot more fun than the previous expansion(s). I suppose you get out what you put in

+1
Agree no more rng maps please just so frustrating running hours and hours and not getting anything at least with GL u have guarantee in those hours u spent in this game not just time wasting

[Mythocrisis]

Back to back events are something they are putting effort into, you can discredit them based on your single opinion that you don't like them.
There's a equal or more people who like events.

The quality seems to have gone down is one thing I can agree with you on this entire post. Some really creative designs seems to be lost but I think they're making a comeback in this regard.

There is all the reason to farm endgame dungeons since the players CHOOSE to farm gold there, while you disregard their entire effort with YOUR sole opinion.

And your another claim without thought, There is the zodias eater gear that you can farm for hours on end to obtain which will close the gap. (It's still being worked on presumably).

You say you don't want back to back events (you said cannibalised from your vocabulary) and also complain about the shortened duration of events.
No clue about that.

The game is better the way it is, it can surely be made better but, Not by your methodology of CONSTRUCTIVELY deconstructing everything they created based on opinions.

[chiiwawa]

I agree we have way to many events from a players perspective but I don't think it will change because events are probably when sts makes the most money from plat sales. nothing against them doing this because that is what keeps the game going after 10 years. Its a must.

[Immortal_Blood]

Hello!
TL;DR
-Events replaced endgame dungeons
-Declining quality of events (and dev work?)
-1 week events aren’t very good
-Keep it constructive

hey,
Didn't even read it but I agree. Events have become AL, It seems.

[Immortal_Blood]

Ha, i decided to read it,


thematically disorienting

good one.. :D

Anyway, yeah, events have become oversaturated and maybe I'm just crazy but I think it is to compensate for Zodias loot being sub-par. Which in turn results in more Locked Crates being opened. Which is good, I like the servers being online, just maybe tis a weird way to do it, and quite punishing to F2P players, such as myself.. (even though I am monetized for 20k plat i still consider myself F2P.. haha)

[Tuhguhbuhbuh]

I agree with the OP. Oversaturation of events.

[Synergia]

Not every event is being played as a replacement for endgame content.
It is always like 1-2 months of grinding events, and then 1-2 months of events like the one that is happening as we speak.

[Fytheo]

What is boring is trying to enjoy farming for a Chance at something whereas with gold at least you are guaranteed something.

These maps are alot more fun than the previous expansion(s). I suppose you get out what you put in

I disagree.

[Spooked]

Pretty sure this was said a while back, instead it seems like they doubled down on making even more mediocre events.
Id rather have 1 event a month, but old STS quality. Rather than every week an mediocre event with shiny (gold) skins slapped over everything, with often vanities that look identical to eachother

[Observing]

Gold farming ruined this game, should've ended at maus

[danialazhad63]

if u don't like this game then u can quit... it's your choice

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[PostNoob]

Gold farming ruined this game, should've ended at maus

Few would play the core game and there are loads of ways to waste gold. Very easy to earn it. It depends on how dedicated people are. I would rather farm gold and buy anything i want verus farm for something that might drop.

[Nocturnus]

Lack of emotion in the main content, gl today is ridiculously boring and does not represent any challenge.
For example in elite sunken, it's go mini 1,2,3, boss repeats.
It's practically just running. There are no surprises on the way.
The portals and gaunlet are somewhat more difficult but they are not profitable and nobody goes, it takes longer to get a pt than to play.
As I always say, most got tired of this style of farm gl boss.
They have been using the same farm gl/boss style for about 4 years or more.
A more challenging, exciting, random and profitable style of farming is needed.
That's why people complain about the events, because the main content is pretty poor.
Labyrinth, it was quite interesting content, a bit of brain was needed.

[Nocturnus]

Gold farming ruined this game, should've ended at maus

In mauso, the type of farm gold, around the whole map was more fun, it was more fun to find a treasure room and things like that, gold per token, etc.
Now it's just go to the boss and put your gl set.

[championboost]

events arent the issue
also sunk fleet and some other maps are being played

they should improve ezg and evg more also pvp could be improved for more quality outside of events
-add solo mode for ezg
- add better rewards for evg and ezg
remove normal pvp completely and only leave 2 ranked modes
one honor pvp and one with normal gear /both only lv 81
and add lb rewards here aswell

[Corviss the Lich]

events arent the issue
also sunk fleet and some other maps are being played

they should improve ezg and evg more also pvp could be improved for more quality outside of events
-add solo mode for ezg
- add better rewards for evg and ezg
remove normal pvp completely and only leave 2 ranked modes
one honor pvp and one with normal gear /both only lv 81
and add lb rewards here aswell

Mans suggesting more contents given for top geared or well experienced players with no benefits given for average or not well geared enough players. And hold on right there, why is EVG one your concerns?

Most of your suggestions are that only benefits you and fewer people than majority of the community that actually needs it.

I know you won't stop. But can you please stfu sometimes?

[Kaziscate]

Back to back events are something they are putting effort into, you can discredit them based on your single opinion that you don't like them.
There's a equal or more people who like events.

The quality seems to have gone down is one thing I can agree with you on this entire post. Some really creative designs seems to be lost but I think they're making a comeback in this regard.

There is all the reason to farm endgame dungeons since the players CHOOSE to farm gold there, while you disregard their entire effort with YOUR sole opinion.

And your another claim without thought, There is the zodias eater gear that you can farm for hours on end to obtain which will close the gap. (It's still being worked on presumably).

You say you don't want back to back events (you said cannibalised from your vocabulary) and also complain about the shortened duration of events.
No clue about that.

The game is better the way it is, it can surely be made better but, Not by your methodology of CONSTRUCTIVELY deconstructing everything they created based on opinions.

It's not that I don't like events at all. I actually enjoy them very much and it isn't about discrediting any effort at all (quite the opposite actually). We have all of these events happening, but people haven't been enjoying them lately since they seemingly are being rushed out. I would prefer if effort was put towards 1 big event that is great rather than 3 mediocre ones. Yes you can farm gold in endgame dungeons, but there are often times when events can give gold at a similar or better rate, making endgame dungeons kind of obsolete. That is what I meant by events cannibalizing the game. Yes you can farm spirit gear, but I really don't see much purpose of investing in them when you can get mythic gear which is powerful right off the bat and cheap and easy to get. The feedback on 1 week events is more of a personal preference. I also never said that I dislike back to back events, just that too much focus is being emphasized on events. If events have to happen less frequently so that we get them in a much higher quality that is fine.

[Potofgreed]

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[pfizer]

It's not that I don't like events at all. I actually enjoy them very much and it isn't about discrediting any effort at all (quite the opposite actually). We have all of these events happening, but people haven't been enjoying them lately since they seemingly are being rushed out. I would prefer if effort was put towards 1 big event that is great rather than 3 mediocre ones. Yes you can farm gold in endgame dungeons, but there are often times when events can give gold at a similar or better rate, making endgame dungeons kind of obsolete. That is what I meant by events cannibalizing the game. Yes you can farm spirit gear, but I really don't see much purpose of investing in them when you can get mythic gear which is powerful right off the bat and cheap and easy to get. The feedback on 1 week events is more of a personal preference. I also never said that I dislike back to back events, just that too much focus is being emphasized on events. If events have to happen less frequently so that we get them in a much higher quality that is fine.

There is hardly an event that gives more gold than endgame farming. And even so, if there is a good event that doesn't make the endgame farming obsolete since on endgame farming you are guaranteed a huge amount of gold just spending time on it. I'm sorry but are you even thinking?

[santaria]

It's not that I don't like events at all. I actually enjoy them very much and it isn't about discrediting any effort at all (quite the opposite actually). We have all of these events happening, but people haven't been enjoying them lately since they seemingly are being rushed out. I would prefer if effort was put towards 1 big event that is great rather than 3 mediocre ones. Yes you can farm gold in endgame dungeons, but there are often times when events can give gold at a similar or better rate, making endgame dungeons kind of obsolete. That is what I meant by events cannibalizing the game. Yes you can farm spirit gear, but I really don't see much purpose of investing in them when you can get mythic gear which is powerful right off the bat and cheap and easy to get. The feedback on 1 week events is more of a personal preference. I also never said that I dislike back to back events, just that too much focus is being emphasized on events. If events have to happen less frequently so that we get them in a much higher quality that is fine.

Sunken is always active whether there is a good event or not. Parties are usually full in just a few seconds. The endgame is fine that is why it is very active and players are farming a huge chunk of gold everyday. It is more like most events are obsolete not the endgame content because it never rests.

[Itzmemohsin]

Bruh , it is just common sense and human nature , no one likes doing the same repetitive dungeons again and again , continuous events are good for the game in almost every way.

[tailwarrior]

In my opinion, events and expansion are good the way they are. I do want to want to know what is the gist of this thread(didn't read the comments). Like whether you guys want to nerf expansion gold rates or the frequency of events or something else?

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[Ilove_Poopoo]

Everything roots back to gold farming.

Even if sts added crafting materials that drop from maps to craft Kraken gears, the majority would prefer still farm gold than gamble their time.

I propose reducing Elite Sunkens gold drops and adding another Mausoleum concept map - the randomness of the Labyrinth and Maus is appealing to play as every run is always different from the last, and for every map layout there is always a different set of strategy for the team to do, and as a result, people are more occupied, gratified, and yields more quality playing hours.


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[Oakmaiden]

Constant events are tiresome. I have seen this in other games, back to back to back. They become wash,rinse,repeat.
I would prefer a little downtime between. There use to be mini weekends and what are now the daily (2x xxx) were week long. I personally don’t like the length of Halloween/Winterfest, 2 weeks is the most for me. I lose interest after about 9 days. 3 weeks of resets was awful, especially since we didn’t get all the facts up front.

[Daogole]

The only event worth grinding was this winter Tarlok one. There was this dragon boss who kept saying, "You can't defeat a dragon." I didn't mind defeating that dragon again and again just because of that line.

[Skeleton Mike]

That last birthday event really felt half baked imo, not much of a celebration of a decade and more like your typical weekly event.
Having to kill a dragon that had no texture or dangerous attacks for it to just drop slices of cake was funny at first but became sad and tedius really fast. and the items in the shop were ugly and so not special, the game has been running for 10 years and the best they can come up with is a gae gladiator set? :/

At the very least a week should be put in between events so the devs can give quality instead of rushed stuff that requires updates half in.

[PostNoob]

People may say they want sts to take a week off here and there but if they did with zero event... The same amount of people will be displeased.


Look at it this way: Constant events are a great way to curb inflation. Core maps are really profitable if you put in time. Having people farm events no matter how bad, will reduce some gold coming into the economy.

Unless you want more people farming tons of gold, the market is deflated atm. Wait 4 weeks and consider it could be much worse than having more people farm end game core maps for weeks on end. I have farmed enough gold in the past 2 weeks to pay for half an arcane weapon, and that is brand new op wep, farming while watching tv. Invest in a constant.

[Mythocrisis]

To all the people saying constant events are tiresome, boring, repetitive.
Ask yourselves this question.. Who is it tiresome for?
Will it be less boring if they let 2-3 week free without updates/events (just like before)?

Is it very non repetitive for you not playing new weekly back to back events rather than grinding the same gold loot map over and over again during extended downtime and no-event periods with no new content(like you're suggesting)?

I hate to be rude but this is what you get when someone has something /anything to complain about including weekly new content that's probably keeping the game afloat and getting whatever the daily players it does get along with monetised content to keep the payees happy.

This thread just feels like someone who doesn't like the game and wants it to die.

[Mythocrisis]

It's not that I don't like events at all. I actually enjoy them very much and it isn't about discrediting any effort at all (quite the opposite actually). We have all of these events happening, but people haven't been enjoying them lately since they seemingly are being rushed out. I would prefer if effort was put towards 1 big event that is great rather than 3 mediocre ones. Yes you can farm gold in endgame dungeons, but there are often times when events can give gold at a similar or better rate, making endgame dungeons kind of obsolete. That is what I meant by events cannibalizing the game. Yes you can farm spirit gear, but I really don't see much purpose of investing in them when you can get mythic gear which is powerful right off the bat and cheap and easy to get. The feedback on 1 week events is more of a personal preference. I also never said that I dislike back to back events, just that too much focus is being emphasized on events. If events have to happen less frequently so that we get them in a much higher quality that is fine.

We did wait for an expansion with a lot of expectation for multiple years, but I (my opinion) wasn't satisfied with the content on its launch given the period it launched after.

So why wait more for a decently good content ,
when u could have new ways to farm or play new /fresh mediocre content. (My opinion again)

If events give better gold than endgame dungeons, that's better for new players who don't have high tier builds. It does make endgame less active for rhe brief event period provided the event provides better returns for the time invested over the actual endgame content.

A mmo wasn't made for the high gold farm map alone, and just because it deters a few /many players away from that map for a couple of days (for better gains) will not make it cannibalising the game. A better adjunct would be a "break" from repetitive grinding and a happy place for new undergeared players.

And about the mythic gear / zodias eater. There are/were people who did farm for it. And with the trend of sudden buffing and nerfing gear, you never know how it's going to turn out, there was a phase when they were the most op gear in game was it not?(you can see in the ups and downs of the prices of pearls to prove this)

And there's aps, pve, etc whatever elements an mmo can offer which you ignored at your convenience.

I would suggest asking asking higher quality content by also seeking help from the community such as designs, content, event ideas etc.

[Susanne]

We did wait for an expansion with a lot of expectation for multiple years, but I (my opinion) wasn't satisfied with the content on its launch given the period it launched after.

So why wait more for a decently good content ,
when u could have new ways to farm or play new /fresh mediocre content. (My opinion again)

If events give better gold than endgame dungeons, that's better for new players who don't have high tier builds. It does make endgame less active for rhe brief event period provided the event provides better returns for the time invested over the actual endgame content.

A mmo wasn't made for the high gold farm map alone, and just because it deters a few /many players away from that map for a couple of days (for better gains) will not make it cannibalising the game. A better adjunct would be a "break" from repetitive grinding and a happy place for new undergeared players.

And about the mythic gear / zodias eater. There are/were people who did farm for it. And with the trend of sudden buffing and nerfing gear, you never know how it's going to turn out, there was a phase when they were the most op gear in game was it not?(you can see in the ups and downs of the prices of pearls to prove this)

And there's aps, pve, etc whatever elements an mmo can offer which you ignored at your convenience.

I would suggest asking asking higher quality content by also seeking help from the community such as designs, content, event ideas etc.

Best post here, says it all.

[Neutrone]

To all the people saying constant events are tiresome, boring, repetitive.
Ask yourselves this question.. Who is it tiresome for?
Will it be less boring if they let 2-3 week free without updates/events (just like before)?

Is it very non repetitive for you not playing new weekly back to back events rather than grinding the same gold loot map over and over again during extended downtime and no-event periods with no new content(like you're suggesting)?

I hate to be rude but this is what you get when someone has something /anything to complain about including weekly new content that's probably keeping the game afloat and getting whatever the daily players it does get along with monetised content to keep the payees happy.

This thread just feels like someone who doesn't like the game and wants it to die.Gonna need a mop for all these facts you're spitting