DPS or Damage?

[Worship]

So I have plenty of different pinks, and I try em all out. Recently, I noticed that there is such things as DPS (Haha I know..)
And my Nova does 115 DPS, but my Primed Flux Cannon does 119.

Nova:
-Damage: 61-99
-DPS: 115

Flux Cannon:
-Damage: 38-57
-DPS: 119

So i was wondering, should I use the Flux Cannon since it has a better DPS? or should i stick to the nova? :)
thanks

[bronislav84]

A higher DPS stat gives you better auto attack because it stands for damage per second. Flux Cannon is a faster attacking wrapon.

On the other hand, your skills will be weaker because skill damage depends on the Damage stat. On the other hand Flux Cannon is much weaker damage wise.

Hope this helps you make an informed decision based on what you want to do.

[Kanozaki]

As a com , you don't need the dps . Nova gives more surviv ability , canon gives better agro control . Chose according to that . I would use both tbh

[jackaboo]

So i was wondering, should I use the Flux Cannon since it has a better DPS? or should i stick to the nova? :)
thanks

DPS is not a real indicator of how much damage you'll do. It indicates the overall potential damage of your weapon shots, but does not take into account the damage you do with skills. Higher base damage increases the strength of your skills, not high DPS.

So basically, if you want harder hitting skills, go for high base damage. If you want your gun to do the optimal amount of damage, go for DPS.

Don't forget to take into account the commando AoE component and the loss/gain of a shield when making your choice.

Edit: Ninja'd.

[Worship]

Ok, based on your responses. I am going to stick with the Nova. It has a higher damage, and I have a good shield too. (And the shield makes green sparkles :)) Unlike the Nova, the flux doesnt work well with shields.. ;)
So Thanks for the responses (Outta thanks today, but will give em to you tomorrow)

[flashbackflip]

I usually ask myself same question.. Though i'm an op so i choose between other weaps, but still - one of them is class-dependant

Should i use Tempest with insane dmg and crits plus shield or maybe War-augs v4 with good dmg and very-very-very high DPS..

The answer varies really:

1) when you are in a good party of friends or just skilled playaz - don't b afraid to neglect the shield and enjoy yo class weapon! It's FUN!

2) when you are approaching tough boss or starting level solo when noone joined yet - then choose good gun (like Tempest or Nova) and the shield

Summary - act depending on situation

[Kanozaki]

I usually ask myself same question.. Though i'm an op so i choose between other weaps, but still - one of them is class-dependant

Should i use Tempest with insane dmg and crits plus shield or maybe War-augs v4 with good dmg and very-very-very high DPS..

The answer varies really:

1) when you are in a good party of friends or just skilled playaz - don't b afraid to neglect the shield and enjoy yo class weapon! It's FUN!

2) when you are approaching tough boss or starting level solo when noone joined yet - then choose good gun (like Tempest or Nova) and the shield

Summary - act depending on situation

Exactly this!

Side note : Canons have insane AoE , This will really help your team out IF your team has a good ENG. If not stick with pistol + shield.

[iAmPain]

I usually ask myself same question.. Though i'm an op so i choose between other weaps, but still - one of them is class-dependant

Should i use Tempest with insane dmg and crits plus shield or maybe War-augs v4 with good dmg and very-very-very high DPS..

The answer varies really:

1) when you are in a good party of friends or just skilled playaz - don't b afraid to neglect the shield and enjoy yo class weapon! It's FUN!

2) when you are approaching tough boss or starting level solo when noone joined yet - then choose good gun (like Tempest or Nova) and the shield

Summary - act depending on situation


Well said. 1+


I prefer Cannon though.. Take aggro! <3

[Kanozaki]

Some of the new pink canons are pretty good too , good enough to be used in pvp.

[control]

I think when you are playing at low levels then the difference is more obvious.

Damage is really important as it improves the damage of your skills. Ay higher level it does not matter
much as your skills are capped and effective. But once against enemy with high hp nothing matters but
repeated attack and both dps and damage comes into play :)

[Seiyen]

Damage> dps
Dps is a fake stat imo.

[Mitchturbo]

Ive tested it before with the razer and the Nova... Dps does exist, but its mainly more noticeable in pve. In which case I would use a razer in pve over a nova, I found its a lot quicker at disposing targets.
While in The pvp world Nova is better by a long shot, it seems damage is more useful in pvp.
These are based on tested fireing shots i did on Zao :-) which he happily agreed too.
Dps isnt effective at all in pvp that's why it seems like its a false stat.
But in pve it can do more damage to the director bot than the nova does. I found it a lot quicker to take it down with a higher Dps weapon.

[iAmPain]

Ive tested it before with the razer and the Nova... Dps does exist, but its mainly more noticeable in pve. In which case I would use a razer in pve over a nova, I found its a lot quicker at disposing targets.
While in The pvp world Nova is better by a long shot, it seems damage is more useful in pvp.
These are based on tested fireing shots i did on Zao :-) which he happily agreed too.
Dps isnt effective at all in pvp that's why it seems like its a false stat.
But in pve it can do more damage to the director bot than the nova does. I found it a lot quicker to take it down with a higher Dps weapon.

^ Finally someone I can agree on :sorrow:

[Prestige]

I'm confused why you even bothered to put nova on that list? Fused Tempest Coil is basically an upgraded nova. All the stats are above the nova, I believe.

[*Zero*]

Damage> dps
Dps is a fake stat imo.

He speaks the truth!

[Cero]

So I have plenty of different pinks, and I try em all out. Recently, I noticed that there is such things as DPS (Haha I know..)
And my Nova does 115 DPS, but my Primed Flux Cannon does 119.

Nova:
-Damage: 61-99
-DPS: 115

Flux Cannon:
-Damage: 38-57
-DPS: 119

So i was wondering, should I use the Flux Cannon since it has a better DPS? or should i stick to the nova? :)
thanks




PvE/Pvp

Flux Cannon - . Look at the "speed" on the gun info. It says there "0.4speed" thats faster than a nova. And ur like firing a gun like an op using duals.

In my experience . It can own a nova user even Ops with chrome Pheonix.


Flux cannon's
Pros:
-Attack "speed"
- Range (12m)
- Gun proc which can randomly PUSH
-You know how to "Doggie"


Cons :
- you look like an *diot when run/walk
-
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Note:
-when it pushes it means critical dmg
- with thw said speed. One shot dmg of a nova is equal to 2shots of the flux cannon.
-Prime Napalm Carb is the best hive gun. (pls dont agrue. Lol)

[Kanozaki]

As cero said above prime napalm is best hands down. For pve dps plays a role IMO. I notice a huge difference between using pistol shield and duals.have not testes duals in pvp so I do not have an opinion.

Edit : I'll test this later but logic says a higher dps would kill faster granted that no skills were used and other stats such as crit and hit are equal. Wouldn't make sense to have a fake stat :O

[Zaonabiuibil]

As cero said above prime napalm is best hands down. For pve dps plays a role IMO. I notice a huge difference between using pistol shield and duals.have not testes duals in pvp so I do not have an opinion.

Edit : I'll test this later but logic says a higher dps would kill faster granted that no skills were used and other stats such as crit and hit are equal. Wouldn't make sense to have a fake stat :O

In the old days Mitchturbo and I discovered an Electrorazer killed faster than a Nova in PvE, but Nova surpassed Razer in PvP. It could be the same now, the better DPS weapon (Primed Napalm) is better for PvE, while like a Tempest Coil would sometimes be better in PvP due to more damage.

So, a primed flux cannon would be better in PvE, while your nova would be better in PvP.

[Kanozaki]

In the old days Mitchturbo and I discovered an Electrorazer killed faster than a Nova in PvE, but Nova surpassed Razer in PvP. It could be the same now, the better DPS weapon (Primed Napalm) is better for PvE, while like a Tempest Coil would sometimes be better in PvP due to more damage.

So, a primed flux cannon would be better in PvE, while your nova would be better in PvP.

interesting , ive heard stories about this too. Never had the chance to confirm it my self . You two ever figure out why this happens ? As for Primed napalm vs primed coil the coil would be better because of its crazy crit.

[Zaonabiuibil]

interesting , ive heard stories about this too. Never had the chance to confirm it my self . You two ever figure out why this happens ? As for Primed napalm vs primed coil the coil would be better because of its crazy crit.

It is because of the very thing we are discussing, DPS. An electrorazer could fire probably 1.2x as fast as a nova, so in 5 shots of a nova you could get 6 off a razer, so even with a nova having 10 damage over razer, a razer would produce like 50 more damage in those 5 nova shots than the nova itself would've in those 5 shots, because if a nova does 10 more it would be +50 over razer, but that is in 5 shots, while the razer would get 6 shots, doing 100 damage per shot, which would be 50 more than the nova did. It is a VERY slim difference, but a difference all the same. Now with PvP, the nova would surpass razer due to the function of damage = higher damage with skills, and the fact you only have to focus on 1v1 most of the time. As you said before with crit, crit is a %, a probablility of it working. We only worked with guarantees.

[flashbackflip]

It is because of the very thing we are discussing, DPS. An electrorazer could fire probably 1.2x as fast as a nova, so in 5 shots of a nova you could get 6 off a razer, so even with a nova having 10 damage over razer, a razer would produce like 50 more damage in those 5 nova shots than the nova itself would've in those 5 shots, because if a nova does 10 more it would be +50 over razer, but that is in 5 shots, while the razer would get 6 shots, doing 100 damage per shot, which would be 50 more than the nova did. It is a VERY slim difference, but a difference all the same. Now with PvP, the nova would surpass razer due to the function of damage = higher damage with skills, and the fact you only have to focus on 1v1 most of the time. As you said before with crit, crit is a %, a probablility of it working. We only worked with guarantees.

Totally agree with Zao

My 2cents to explanation from operative point of view:

In PvP time running is running fast and armor melting down even faster (at least for us, ops) so:

1) shield is critical accessory (you can't use stims)

2) each skill is important as it's 1-1 and yo opponent also actively uses them

3) each shot must be max dmg as it could be your last one

4) crits are essential for ops (with primed coil, zevon and imp i can get as much as 54..)


In PvE it's a bit different:

1) you share aggro with team and use stims so shield is less important

2) skills are not that important in terms of damage .... with napalm carabine i use them only for tactical matters - buffs/debuffs and lurch to push a dog away or a scorn out of shielded area - as the damage and bonuses of napalm (fire, stun, aoe) are more preferrable even over my dota ones (and in each 'turn' you can either use skill or shoot a shot)

3) each-shot dmg is less important as you can heal to last your life/time

4) criticals are less important as you have backup from yo team


To sum up:

Primed coil = best PvP kills (at least fr ops, as we rely on our crits)

Napalm = jet-farming Hive (especially if the whole team uses it) ;)

I think it's similar for any other class, though if i was a com, i'd prefer Dark Matter series as coms have enough armor/hp anyway


P.S.

Also i like war augers v4 - maaaaaad dps which kills scorns almost as good as napalm (tho aoe of napalm makes it more useful)

[Kanozaki]

Mhmm if skills are being used , higher base damage win regardless of pve or pvp. Which is why people used to switch to rifles at boss back in the day. Now I'm thinking if auto fire is only considered then dps should win or am I mistaken ?

Side note : with the new weapons higher crit seems to be working the best.as for pvp the tempest and napalm have minimum range ( 6m ) so they can be easily kited against . just something u guys should keep in mind :p