Can Marianos Bow Get the same buff as Hyperos?

[Pine]

I know that you guys focus arcanes but it will take a long time untill a big part of the players will be able to buy Kraken Items, so many people will still use mythics, but Marianos feels very weak and hard to proc
Can we just get a buff for that bow just like you did to Hyperos?
Like remove charged attack after it procs?
make it proc on the 6th attack?
Don't forget that bows can not attack faster with haste as well so it puts this weapon in the worst spot from all mythics in the first place already

Also a good point, that only if you proc and executed the x3 charged attacks PERFECTLY you can get x3 "Sea Blast" and its not always easy to do.
I found that "Sea Blast" is around the same damage as "Pressure Crush" but "Sea Blast" does require many charged attacks and 2-3 can be happening at best, while mage with haste can get x5-6 Pressure Crush with some haste followed by deep squeeze.

[Blackflash]

Even pisces needs rework on its proc there's no point in buying gears if all rogues need is good ms set and a throne to be carried

[Advocacies]

Even pisces needs rework on its proc there's no point in buying gears if all rogues need is good ms set and a throne to be carried
I've seen people destroy bosses with pisces i suggest get good

[Kakashis]

As an OG Elite Farmer, I've recently just gotten semi back to farming here and there. I've never been OP in gears, but always enough to keep up. I had the sunken set back in the 76 expansion and that set could literally chunk hp off the bosses. Without it, it's impossible to do much. With the release of expansion and pisces dags, it almost felt like the sunken weapons were secretly nerfed. You HAD to have pisces dags as a rogue or you can't damage any mobs. Fast foward to the current Kracken sets and somewhere along the way the old gears and even Pisces and Mariano bow does next to no damage on bosses. I've tried mixing with Sunken armor, full Zarrus sets and nothing. Meanwhile the mythic staff and aegis chunks boss HP from full to half, to zero. I've been told that as a rogue, I need the Kracken armor at minimum and maybe the Kracken bow to not be carried.

This is a huge problem for rogues in that if you don't have the 81 Arcanes, you need to be carried by other classes with mythic weapons or rogues with the best weapons. Eventually other people will tire of running with the average rogue and only do private parties with people that own Kracken items. I'm suprised that this wasn't looked at and balanced by now.

[Blackflash]

I've seen people destroy bosses with pisces i suggest get good

I never said theyre bad I just said they aren't good enough as compared to other mythics. You probably saw peeps using kraken gears for procs because I can guarantee you pisces sucks with only zaarus where as the other class weapons destroy the boss in absolutely no time.
You probably didnt get the point anyway so I'll explain it to you in simpler terms. Procing pisces is a complete gamble sometimes it's within 3-4 charged but other times the mobs are dead but pisces hasn't proced.

[Synergia]

Pisces are decent their job is to kill mobs and it does it good

[Fahtsssss]

As an OG Elite Farmer, I've recently just gotten semi back to farming here and there. I've never been OP in gears, but always enough to keep up. I had the sunken set back in the 76 expansion and that set could literally chunk hp off the bosses. Without it, it's impossible to do much. With the release of expansion and pisces dags, it almost felt like the sunken weapons were secretly nerfed. You HAD to have pisces dags as a rogue or you can't damage any mobs. Fast foward to the current Kracken sets and somewhere along the way the old gears and even Pisces and Mariano bow does next to no damage on bosses. I've tried mixing with Sunken armor, full Zarrus sets and nothing. Meanwhile the mythic staff and aegis chunks boss HP from full to half, to zero. I've been told that as a rogue, I need the Kracken armor at minimum and maybe the Kracken bow to not be carried.

This is a huge problem for rogues in that if you don't have the 81 Arcanes, you need to be carried by other classes with mythic weapons or rogues with the best weapons. Eventually other people will tire of running with the average rogue and only do private parties with people that own Kracken items. I'm suprised that this wasn't looked at and balanced by now.

Mythic staff does not do damage to bosses. Idk where you got that information from. I run with rogs and pisces still does good damage. Of course having arcane items would mean you're prioritized in fast farming, thats always how the game worked. The people with the best gear get picked first, but mythic weapons are still useable .

[Ploid]

I never said theyre bad I just said they aren't good enough as compared to other mythics. You probably saw peeps using kraken gears for procs because I can guarantee you pisces sucks with only zaarus where as the other class weapons destroy the boss in absolutely no time.
You probably didnt get the point anyway so I'll explain it to you in simpler terms. Procing pisces is a complete gamble sometimes it's within 3-4 charged but other times the mobs are dead but pisces hasn't proced.Mage don't do much damage to bosses without armor Proc either.

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[Yoloswagx]

Pisces are alrdy decent tbh, pair this with the overpriced kraken armor, u can chunk boss hp vry easily.

Sunken+ pisces proc can chunk boss hp but proccing sunken is difficult so its almost nvr happen.

As for marianos, id dare say it is the weakest of all myth. Cuz why is it the only myth thats not affected by haste? Whilst hyperos and neptaris jus goes out slinging?

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[Kakashis]

Pisces are alrdy decent tbh, pair this with the overpriced kraken armor, u can chunk boss hp vry easily.

Sunken+ pisces proc can chunk boss hp but proccing sunken is difficult so its almost nvr happen.

As for marianos, id dare say it is the weakest of all myth. Cuz why is it the only myth thats not affected by haste? Whilst hyperos and neptaris jus goes out slinging?

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Yes, how come the other classes get a boss kill weap, but rogues need to buy an 81 arcane to make use of their mythics

[Xyv.io]

-1
No need to buff any of these, they've been buffed more than enough. Why do you want them to be anywhere near arcanes? Plus they're super cheap.
They're outdated budget weapons and are working as outdated budget weapons. No need for any change.

[Pine]

-1
No need to buff any of these, they've been buffed more than enough. Why do you want them to be anywhere near arcanes? Plus they're super cheap.
They're outdated budget weapons and are working as outdated budget weapons. No need for any change.

with that said,
Hyperos doing way more damage than Arcane gun
You can't even kill orrick with mythic set R with 100bd (Marianos)

[profmsb]

kinda impossible/hard for that to happen....since evg,rog opinion not much counted..they only nerf the stacking proc that make war super tank n can solo evg easily,when new mythic 81 weap gonna be release as it will complicated the new 81 weap..then myth weap favor mage n war..n luckily during recent labyrith event,mybe one of the dev try pisces n notice it was hard to proc n buff pisces along with hyperos...n when arc 81 weap release..kraken dag n bow is op compare to mage n war..n it was nerf very fast compare to when need to nerf mage n war since evg time.Mybe because top plat customer is from mage/war or mybe because too extreme n much drama if the two class involve compare to when involving rog as u can observe everytime in forum :) so just dont hoping too much n njoy the game

[Switchback]

with that said,
Hyperos doing way more damage than Arcane gun
You can't even kill orrick with mythic set R with 100bd (Marianos)

I'm positive they will adjust mythics power, they are probably trying to find a way to do it without losing alot of players interest. What about the mob clearing mythic weapon that is one-two shotting bosses? That seems like a much bigger problem, and there has been an imbalance with that class for years now.

[Read]

Yes, how come the other classes get a boss kill weap, but rogues need to buy an 81 arcane to make use of their mythics

This is actually a valid point, it is extremely easy to combine ult with mythic weapon procs on warrior and mage, hyperos+ebon+ultimate/hyeros+ultimate and the neptaris+ultimate. Where as rogues even if the proc comes into play marianos has little to no impact on main boss and for a pisces +sunken+ ultimate aimed shot the stars need to align. That too making it a necessity to use (Sunken armour proc).

Another issue right now is the pricing. Kraken cannon with the mages utility is absolutely monstrous in Elite Sunken maps when combined with Kraken armour. It is equal or I would say better overall than the Kraken bow+ Kraken Armour for rogues, yet the prices are saying otherwise.

For those who haven't tried both the classes with the kraken items Weapon + Armour, I highly suggest you do. It will make it very clear as to how insane the mage class is right now.
Yet the starting prices for Kraken Bow Clean is 150m+ whereas the Kraken Cannon is 125m Full awakened.

The issue here being, why the Rogue Class seems to be in a constant state of drawbacks.

A suggestion for the mythics for the Rogue Class would be to proc without charging, seems legitimate. Considering how elite sunken runs with kraken items take around 40 to 50 seconds to complete (All Classes). A change to mythics would not cause any harm. This change might also reduce the over pricing of Kraken items for Rogue which is completely unecessary.

[snakeeyes]

Hyperos buffs then why not on marianos? Is it to late? the problem here on forum rogue user are as not many as a war/mage user.

[Kinggg]

+1
Free Bump

[Pine]

Hyperos buffs then why not on marianos? Is it to late? the problem here on forum rogue user are as not many as a war/mage user.

I also feel that
when a rogue buff is asked many warriors and mages will try to make it fail even tho Marianos is the weakest mythic by far, I am not suprised that a none rogues will instantly hate on that
I don't think any rogue player was against buffing hyperos even tho it was already better than marianos at that weakest spot.

[Xyv.io]

with that said,
Hyperos doing way more damage than Arcane gun
You can't even kill orrick with mythic set R with 100bd (Marianos)

Hyperos isn't a guaranteed proc, come my pt and you'll understand why it's garbage

[Ketx]

I also feel that
when a rogue buff is asked many warriors and mages will try to make it fail even tho Marianos is the weakest mythic by far, I am not suprised that a none rogues will instantly hate on that
I don't think any rogue player was against buffing hyperos even tho it was already better than marianos at that weakest spot.i would rather use smugg than hyperos for proc combo. smugg+kraken staff or ebon+kraken staff. i have tested hyperos serveral times on hydra/orrick and it almost never proc.

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[Immortal_Blood]

+1

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say no more, the moment i saw the proc did not synchronise with the UAS, i KNEW it was a problem.

WRONG SUB-FORUM though Pine.

Belongs here:https://www.spacetimestudios.com/forumdisplay.php?112-AL-Suggestions-and-Feedback

I understand posting in general gets it seen by more people, nevertheless, if every1 did that then it would be inconvenience for every1 who isn't interested in suggestions/feedback.

[EynSeren]

+1
Marianos bow underperforming unlike the other mythic weapons.


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[Sakura Bushido]

You can get 4 shots, and its splash damage is usefull too. I do agree proc rate should be set, i find it procs on the damage dealt if 4 shots shot correctly its possible to get an proc after first shot on same target.

Only thing i find is that archers cant focus their shots at targets ... If the mari bow procs all shots after that should find its way to my target right. Now many don't like the bow cause when proced its most likely lost due to misses.

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[Xyv.io]

-1 again
You guys were crying when arcanes weren't doing good and now since you can't afford them you start crying again to buff mythics.

The only 1 thing I'll agree on is marianos proc rate is rigged, 1st time proc takes unusual amount of auto attacks.

[Read]

-1 again
You guys were crying when arcanes weren't doing good and now since you can't afford them you start crying again to buff mythics.

The only 1 thing I'll agree on is marianos proc rate is rigged, 1st time proc takes unusual amount of auto attacks.

Ofcourse, people come to give feedback on the current situation of things. Arcanes were never bad. Rogue Daggers were insanely good for a period of time after which it got nerfed while the Kraken Bow got a nice buff.

Problem now is the base price of a Kraken Bow doesn't match its worth. It is around 40m+ compared to a cannon. Doesn't mean it can't be bought. But it is absurd. Playing both classes you will see how broken the mage kit is combined with Kraken Cannon and Armour. So for those players who cannot buy it they should obviously stick with mythics to get gold in game until they can purchase a Arcane 81.

But why should those who use mythics not be able to use it and have fun when every mage and warrior item is significantly op compared to rogue items? It is never too late to get classes balanced. Specially since 80% of Rogues playing, probably more, use mythics.

A buff to proc chance/rate would not cause any issue with the current meta being Kraken items where runs are less than a minute in elite sunken. A gold mine.

[Corviss the Lich]

I'd rather suggest when Marianos marked a target it'll lock on to that unit with only charged hits, other skills would still behave the same (nearest target). Tbh damage is fine.

And funny how no one mentions how utterly useless every single Rogue ults with the new Arcane Weapons. deadass Rogue ult needs to be revamped.

[Kakashis]

Ofcourse, people come to give feedback on the current situation of things. Arcanes were never bad. Rogue Daggers were insanely good for a period of time after which it got nerfed while the Kraken Bow got a nice buff.

Problem now is the base price of a Kraken Bow doesn't match its worth. It is around 40m+ compared to a cannon. Doesn't mean it can't be bought. But it is absurd. Playing both classes you will see how broken the mage kit is combined with Kraken Cannon and Armour. So for those players who cannot buy it they should obviously stick with mythics to get gold in game until they can purchase a Arcane 81.

But why should those who use mythics not be able to use it and have fun when every mage and warrior item is significantly op compared to rogue items? It is never too late to get classes balanced. Specially since 80% of Rogues playing, probably more, use mythics.

A buff to proc chance/rate would not cause any issue with the current meta being Kraken items where runs are less than a minute in elite sunken. A gold mine.

Couldn't agree more. Currently mages or warriors can chunk down the boss hp in new maps quite fast. Something is off with the mythic Marianos bow for sure as it never procs.

[snakeeyes]

i have an arcane 81 but for me i suggest buffs marianos a little like hyper is ok we need to be not selfish for the others that can't afford to buy bow for now, but if they can buy arc 81 i suggest buy krak bow with that bow you can feel you are a rogue boss killer that not carry by warior and mage, sts is great for doing the kraken making each class equall/balance. thanks sts and peace to all.

[snakeeyes]

I'd rather suggest when Marianos marked a target it'll lock on to that unit with only charged hits, other skills would still behave the same (nearest target). Tbh damage is fine.

And funny how no one mentions how utterly useless every single Rogue ults with the new Arcane Weapons. deadass Rogue ult needs to be revamped.

+1 for this lock on target for marked marianos, and revamped ulti to make the arcane helm usefull.

[Golem]

Hyperos isn't a guaranteed proc, come my pt and you'll understand why it's garbage

How much that bow worth?

[Switchback]

Learning the Bows cadence when using your skills is important. If you are just spamming skills not paying attention to your attack animations and when to cancel them.. It will take longer to proc.

[Ihavethisname]

I know that you guys focus arcanes but it will take a long time untill a big part of the players will be able to buy Kraken Items, so many people will still use mythics, but Marianos feels very weak and hard to proc
Can we just get a buff for that bow just like you did to Hyperos?
Like remove charged attack after it procs?
make it proc on the 6th attack?
Don't forget that bows can not attack faster with haste as well so it puts this weapon in the worst spot from all mythics in the first place already

Also a good point, that only if you proc and executed the x3 charged attacks PERFECTLY you can get x3 "Sea Blast" and its not always easy to do.
I found that "Sea Blast" is around the same damage as "Pressure Crush" but "Sea Blast" does require many charged attacks and 2-3 can be happening at best, while mage with haste can get x5-6 Pressure Crush with some haste followed by deep squeeze.

U can get 4-5 sea blast per every time mari procs

[FallenHedisnt]

U can get 4-5 sea blast per every time mari procs5x per proc? are you good bro

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[snakeeyes]

U can get 4-5 sea blast per every time mari procs

Mine is 3 maximum

[Corviss the Lich]

U can get 4-5 sea blast per every time mari procs

My brother capping fr. The maximum sea blast counts are 3 mf

[Khuro]

lol it's to overpower

[Sakura Bushido]

Yall capping zzz maximum is 4 shots fix dont say 3 dont say 5 its 4....

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[Read]

Ping matters when considering how many shots can be output with Marianos. Also to be taken into consideration is how it tends to miss the target at times. 2 - 3 shots its manageable. But to get 4 or even 3 at times it difficult with little above average ping.

A fix maybe would be, to allow the bow to interact the same way as the Hyperos Gun with the cone shape in front of the player as the main target zone and. This might help with targeting the intended target better.

The same fix SHOULD be applied to the Kraken Bow as well. As of right now, ping of 200 'green indicator' is not enough to get the bows shot off hitting the targets in front of the character when running into a room. The bow randomly would target everything around the intended target or end up targeting mobs behind the character which is a complete waste of a 150million+ proc.

[Ihavethisname]

Here to all of u mf, mari can proc 4 times and a special SO 2 u CorVis

https://youtu.be/Ya87HT1jCS4

[Ihavethisname]

And here mafa’s special 4 u, here i proc marianos 5 times, corvis i think u owe me some gold or items bro

https://youtu.be/QCNDu2fi1I8

[Sakura Bushido]

Awesome:0 its possible

[Disagrees]

It's too late to buff marianos now. Also I never knew we can proc it more than 3 times. I'd rather wait for kraken bow prices to drop.