Which dev is responsible for pvp?

[brodiniozo]

Because id like to know, so I can send a PM bout the ridiculous dodge goin on. There's no skill involved anymore. Bird vs bird is just stupid. Im not crying, or maybe I am, but I dodge way too much too, not just my opponents. It feels like pvp is being left out. When u make new gear for an update, do u even try it in pvp before u release the update? Tbh, the overall dmg is also too high in pvp. It requires no skill to press drain/blast ONCE n get the kill.

And for yall pvpers out there:
Which cap do u guys think was the best for pvp?
I'd say sewers.

[XchilangopwnX]

Hands down sewers

[Flawless]

I agree with this. In a bird battle, the first one to dodge basically wins. Pvp has gone from skill to luck now.

[Jugernugetx]

I only tried pvp at 66 cap and now. Wouldnt really know but i liked nuris cap better.

Mages would say now is best for pvp lol.. they are too easy to play (especially against birds)

[FluffNStuff]

Pretty sure that dev no longer works on PL.

[maneatingtree]

Ao3 had pretty even pvp

[Nihiliste]

They sux at PvP.

[Whirlzap]

Ao3 had pretty even pvp


I'm pretty sure somewhere around then it wasn't even PvP.
If I recall correctly, they nerfed skills and gear outputs around that time since stuff was getting out of hand.

[Dynastu]

Level 50. Wouldve been a much better cap without GCD. Still is an awesome level for PvP.

[Cahaun]

Level 50. Wouldve been a much better cap without GCD. Still is an awesome level for PvP.
It was cool without GCD as a bird

[Cahaun]

They sux at PvP.
Who? The devs?
If so I challenge you to fight one

[Matutd]

1. Dodge definitely needs toning down, when I fight other birds, I often request to fight without the dodge buff so the game is more fun
2.this is the first cap I really pvped at, so I wouldn't know

Who? The devs?
If so I challenge you to fight one
3. I could own flip, blur > everyone, just saying

[TANKKAAR]

Reserved for long winded post and I don't wanna lose track of this thread because I'm very opinionated as to why and how dodge has ruined pvp at endgame ...

[Nihiliste]

I'll stomp all devs in a 1v3 w/ out stat hax.

[Matutd]

I'll eat all devs in a 1v3 w/ out stat hax.
Eat? O.o

[Otukura]

sewers has a 10% damage reduction, if every five levels beyond that was given another 5-10%, I think we'd be fine.

there really isn't that much more dodge for str, compared to the royal sewer gears for bears, mages and birds are getting too much. if the damage is there so you don't die from solely a blast shot + auto, dodge isn't as big of a deal. making things do this much damage is why dodge has become so much more prominent.

also, I think dex sets need a buff. 55 was the last level they were good on mages and bears, beyond that they keep getting worse and worse. the bird class itself is fine.

lastly, i'd love it if they'd remove the current RNG, and replace it with a PRNG, which is very thoroughly explained here: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7993.

edit:an excerpt from my link. if you understand it, you pretty much understand the concept:

Instead of there being a 20% chance to Critical Strike with every attack, the first attack made actually has a 5.57% chance to Critical Strike. If that is not a Critical Strike, then the second attack has a 11.14% chance to Critical. If that is also not a Critical Strike, then the third has a 16.71% chance to Critical, and so on, adding 5.57% for each consecutive non-Critical. When a Critical Strike does occur, however, the chance for the next attack resets to 5.57%. In the long run, the number of Critical Strikes divided by the total number of attacks somewhat approximates the stated 20%, but now it is extremely difficult to have a series of Critical Strikes, and also impossible to go more than 17 attacks without a Critical, because the percentage for the 18th attack (assuming 17 previous consecutive non-Critical attacks) is 100.26%. In effect, the game causes the number of attacks between Criticals to be skewed towards 1 / 20% = 5, with a maximum limit of 17.

[Nihiliste]

Fine, edited.

[Matutd]

Fine, edited.
I liked eat

[Otukura]

Fine, edited.

dat so punny.

[Matutd]

dat so punny.
Do you do offers on blast shots like 5 for 40k? Probably would attract more business.

[Otukura]

Do you do offers on blast shots like 5 for 40k? Probably would attract more business.

i go case by case, otherwise i'm unable to keep track. when i let others keep track i feel like i'm not making as much/blast as i usually do

[Matutd]

i go case by case, otherwise i'm unable to keep track. when i let others keep track i feel like i'm not making as much/blast as i usually do
Just saying, deals attract customers..

[Elyseon]

personally i love, as a bird shooting a mage 5 times like so: blast on mana shield(dodged), blind(dodged), break(score finally hit(only on their 800+ mana tho D:)), throw in two autos as i do around 700 dmg on their haxxor mana shield
mage: (pesky squirrel throwing nuts at me?) drain! 514 gf bird

15572

[Otukura]

Just saying, deals attract customers..

8k if you PM hahahahabirdy "congrats on your new baby girl!"

[Hadesofshadow]

lv45 cap was most balanced

you guys would go crazy and track down and kill the devs

[Ape]

Dodge break armor -> win

[ThePvpTwink]

I dont like the new op forgotten items either but there great for pve...maybe ban the use of forgotten items in pvp would solve the problem. ;)

@cahaun LOL 6228 dps

[Hawkbby]

Well honestly I liked 45 pvp and Sewers pvp. Brod the only reason you dodgey now is cus of meh, but yeah there is a couple things they could fix. Bird's heal for one because why should we have to stand still just to heal.... Pretty dumb... Also I'm hearing the mages shield lags, or I just use skills before shield gets on? Idk. That is all.

[Cahaun]

Well honestly I liked 45 pvp and Sewers pvp. Brod the only reason you dodgey now is cus of meh, but yeah there is a couple things they could fix. Bird's heal for one because why should we have to stand still just to heal.... Pretty dumb... Also I'm hearing the mages shield lags, or I just use skills before shield gets on? Idk. That is all.
Agreed. The skills should be our top thing to look at. My bird's heal skill doesn't even heal at all (Skill points: 1 and standing still)

[Whirlzap]

personally i love, as a bird shooting a mage 5 times like so: blast on mana shield(dodged), blind(dodged), break(score finally hit(only on their 800+ mana tho D:)), throw in two autos as i do around 700 dmg on their haxxor mana shield
mage: (pesky squirrel throwing nuts at me?) drain! 734 gf bird

15572

Fixed.

[Matutd]

8k if you PM hahahahabirdy "congrats on your new baby girl!"
See, people love deals, I bet you've made a killing already

[Everyone'sFavMage]

I can atest to what ely said it's annoying when the mage dodges everything even if unskilled... Presses 1 skill and 1 hit kos the bird. >_> also hitting 400 + fires and drains on a str bear is a bit much. :/

[Prepare]

I tOtAlLy AgReE eFm

[Hadesofshadow]

Fixed.

its 737 noob

[MightyMicah]

Following the original purpose, I agree 100%. I've found I don't do bad bird on bird wearing angel set. Why? Extra dodge. Now that's just sad. I've heard a lot of end game guys are making 55s and 56s. That's exactly what I'm doing right now. It will never bring back sewer age due to glyph. But it's better than end game.

[Hahahahabirdy]

8k if you PM hahahahabirdy "congrats on your new baby girl!"

That's not fair, how would I partake in this deal if I can't pm myself?

Btw you never ended the parentheses in your sig. Here to help! :worked_till_5am:

[Nick41324]

I think a blind monkey is in charge of pvp atm.

[Hadesofshadow]

I think a blind monkey is in charge of pvp atm.

inb4 ban?

blind monkey can do that btw

[Nihiliste]

Notice how none have replied.

[FlawlessMage]

i like pvp!

[Elitephonix]

I'll stomp all devs in a 1v3 w/ out stat hax.

I love Devs as much as the next guy. Any other comment?

[Zeus]

I think a blind monkey is in charge of pvp atm.

Would that be Technoemail? or Cinco?

Whatever the current state of PvP is right now, I'm sure they'll fix it like they have before.

[Elitephonix]

I think it's firead

[Hadesofshadow]

Who? The devs?
If so I challenge you to fight one

did you report him for being a haxxor?

[Nihiliste]

I'll stomp all devs in a 1v3 w/ out stat hax.

I love Devs as much as the next guy. Any other comment?

Yes, fight me.

[:-D]

Because id like to know, so I can send a PM bout the ridiculous dodge goin on. There's no skill involved anymore. Bird vs bird is just stupid. Im not crying, or maybe I am, but I dodge way too much too, not just my opponents. It feels like pvp is being left out. When u make new gear for an update, do u even try it in pvp before u release the update? Tbh, the overall dmg is also too high in pvp. It requires no skill to press drain/blast ONCE n get the kill.

And for yall pvpers out there:
Which cap do u guys think was the best for pvp?
I'd say sewers.
BAHAHAH this post made me lol so mucchchchchchc

[:-D]

i like pvp!

I wish there were more people in the world like you

[Dynastu]

Notice how none have replied.

When a dev posts in a thread, the Spacetime logo appears next to the number of views. Look back in the Player vs. Player Discussion thread history. I've counted 2 posts since Nick's 50-53 tourney thread. One of those 2 was on a thread bumped about the valentine's day glitch. Pretty sad. 8 pages too.

[drewcapu]

My guess is Thade.

I know he worked on SL PvP. He possibly had/has a say in PL PvP as well.

But... I haven't seen any sign of Thade in months.

[KingFu]

Devs have said before people asked for pvp so they just threw it in. When PvP first came out it was horrible, really broken. So I'd assume no one is really in charge, it just depends on what needs fixing. By that I mean, if it's a bug in PvP, they give it to who's in charge of the bugs, if there's a problem in the mechanics, they tell the person who works on the game mechanics./Shelby

[Hadesofshadow]

pvp came out in may of 2010 before grouping came out in dungeons

[Swords]

Bears,birds with dodge lmao, thats leaves mages weak except if they also too dodge with str as in pally

[Subscriber]

i like pvp!

*Thumbs Up* (;

[brodiniozo]

When a dev posts in a thread, the Spacetime logo appears next to the number of views. Look back in the Player vs. Player Discussion thread history. I've counted 2 posts since Nick's 50-53 tourney thread. One of those 2 was on a thread bumped about the valentine's day glitch. Pretty sad. 8 pages too.

Wow....

[tHelonestud]

i think all mage skills need reduced some, its ridiculous how they have like two skills that can do more dmg with a 1h weapon than other classes do with two

[TANKKAAR]

Because id like to know, so I can send a PM bout the ridiculous dodge goin on. There's no skill involved anymore. Bird vs bird is just stupid. Im not crying, or maybe I am, but I dodge way too much too, not just my opponents. It feels like pvp is being left out. When u make new gear for an update, do u even try it in pvp before u release the update? Tbh, the overall dmg is also too high in pvp. It requires no skill to press drain/blast ONCE n get the kill.

And for yall pvpers out there:
Which cap do u guys think was the best for pvp?
I'd say sewers.



I concur that dodge has reached critical mass in terms of ruining PVP at endgame and its not just birds. Its all classes from birds to bears and EVEN MAGES (WTF)....IMO, STS should adapt a more appropriate manner of defense such as what is seen in other MMOs. By simply (and I say simply even though it may require an entire game overhaul) reducing the amount of dodge (NOT REMOVING) to a more realistic amount (because there should always remain a chance for dodging or missing as in real life) and increasing the amounts of armor for example, It would better balance PVP and PVE while requiring and bringing more skill and a lot less luck to the game. IMO even making that single change would have a huge impact to all levels in terms of balance.

As for what cap was the best in terms of most balanced? I would have to agree that Sewers has and will remain the pinnacle of balanced pvp until something is done to correct the issues that have been building over the past year or so.

[KingFu]

IMO dodge shouldn't be over 20%. Even that seems high to me. I've said it a few times before, they need to lower (drastically) the chance/luck stats (Crit and dodge primarily), and raise other stats that don't go off of a percentage, or chance system (Damage and armor).

[razurblade]

Hands down sewers that was back when birds dominated and bears sucked

[razurblade]

Bears,birds with dodge lmao, thats leaves mages weak except if they also too dodge with str as in pally haha no... Mages are op stop trying to convince us otherwise

[brodiniozo]

Ya, mages r OP, no matter how "pro" some people r who claim they beat mages all the time with bird.

[Hawkbby]

Ya, mages r OP, no matter how "pro" some people r who claim they beat mages all the time with bird.

No matter how much whining I hear from my statement from what I'm about to say... Waste mages buff, also remember PvP isn't 1v1 unless its in the Desert map. Lmao, like really it sounds like common sense to me, cus after the inital "go" its who kills who first, first complaint by me = mute. Also dodge isn't really the matter against other people, if you want to become "pro" you have to watch the RED words above your head and watch your enemy. As I taught my friend in PvP LV45, he will take my best 45 burd title, sorry for to seem like I'm bragging or boasting and for being off topic. But the point is... Faster phone, practice and dedication, prepration of the map(learning where to go/not to go). Also take a few deaths, not saying just give them, but study how your enemy plays, ofc birds don't let a mage freeze you or they'll kite you like they are vultures, "pushing" the skill towards you even though you can't hit them. So I'd advise saving repulse or.. Just full blown assualt. Sorry for being such a nerd/geek/addict. But yeah just fight mages to find out how they fight, same with bears and bears, I don't wanna give people combos, cus theirs could be destructive.

R.I.P Sweepkick, you shall be missed.

[Nihiliste]

Hawk banned forever now?

[Hawkbby]

Hawk banned forever now?

Shuddup doopid, thats off topic.

[Otukura]

\0/

[Fallen_Chisk_Angels]

Even tho i wasnt much of a pvper at L61 i think nuri was best campaign hands down...

[DXDARKXSOULXD]

but if you use bear its about skill skill

[Jcyee]

but if you use bear its about skill skill

uhh no... max buffed i get around 80 dodge. thats dodging 4 out of every 5 auto attacks, skills, etc (provided that you arent hit with a dodge debuff)

as for my favorite pvp cap. id say the one when I first starting getting serious about pvp which would be nuris. I was just starting out in pvp towards the end of the 56 cap so I cant rlly comment on it...