0kill 0death 71lvl Valentineday

[jjangmh]

1~71lvl It took me 12 hours.

Please do not kill, I will kill.*

I'm much easier than last "salinmageiii"

0kill 0death lvl 71 "valentineday"

Congratulate me :)

[nomad187]

Congrats on being an elite leech. :)

[darthdlo]

Gratz I'm going for same azazero but after I get 3 elites ol fashon way and after time and money spent then ima go zero death/kill so it'll hush haters to show I put in my time

[cookiez]

Wow that's crazy

[Suentous PO]

Grats man
http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t500/suentous/th_02c55196b6d452dd5c2e50dad8ba542d.jpg (http://s1062.photobucket.com/albums/t500/suentous/?action=view&current=02c55196b6d452dd5c2e50dad8ba542d.jpg)

[ThePvpTwink]

I met valentine day in game yesterday too.....really 0kill0death...

[Patricks]

Did u level by following yourself or did you follow a friend?

[Energizeric]

Congrats on being an elite leech. :)

this ^^^

[jjangmh]

thx guys

Have a good day. Good luck :)

[小孩子]

Soooo.. people in naver cafe team just leech and make funny looking characters all day o.O?

Grats anyways!
i was going for it but got one death at 70 so i made a ll 70 with 1/1/1/1 stat instead @.@

[Bebsi]

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j352/bounphi/ef5d595167bbe67d5210e7387b0e0e12.jpg

Nothing new and nothing special any more, but Gratz :)

[Esoul]

Wow! Congratulations :D

[Frealaf]

Am new to this game but can I ask what is the point?

Be more impressive if you actually completed the quests and got some kills without dieing.

[Matutd]

If you look at his skill layout, it seems he played more of a support class than a leech. Congratulations

[Whirlzap]

Yeah, he just played support, and the mana shield for defensive reasons.
Absolutely no skills and only a close ranged Dagger to avoid any accidental killing.

[nomad187]

Mage... Support class... Has kills. Having kills, and no deaths is much more impressive IMO.

I may be one the minority on this one and that's fine. But I don't see how trailing behind the group, and hiding at bosses, is impressive. I can maybe see it being a cool thing you do with your friends, and maybe get noticed in game. I just don't think it bragging thread worthy.

Just my opinion

[Frealaf]

Thats what i mean nomad, you just put it better. Just don't get how this is impressive.

[Ihavenokills]

Mage... Support class... Has kills. Having kills, and no deaths is much more impressive IMO.

I may be one the minority on this one and that's fine. But I don't see how trailing behind the group, and hiding at bosses, is impressive. I can maybe see it being a cool thing you do with your friends, and maybe get noticed in game. I just don't think it bragging thread worthy.

Just my opinion


Thats what i mean nomad, you just put it better. Just don't get how this is impressive.

don't knock him down till you try it mate. No kills and deaths is a lot harder than you think. Not only is it frustrating sometimes but it takes patience and being smart with your surroundings so you don't die. You can't defend yourself since doing so will give you a kill.

To the OP: You've capped, now step it up a little bit and cap your quests ;]

[nomad187]

don't knock him down till you try it mate. No kills and deaths is a lot harder than you think. Not only is it frustrating sometimes but it takes patience and being smart with your surroundings so you don't die. You can't defend yourself since doing so will give you a kill.

To the OP: You've capped, now step it up a little bit and cap your quests ;]

I'm not knocking him. I've got a bird with no deaths. I was powerleveled. The no kills part makes it seem leechy to me is all.

Again, neat accomplisment, but not brag worthy. IMO

[Frealaf]

don't knock him down till you try it mate. No kills and deaths is a lot harder than you think. Not only is it frustrating sometimes but it takes patience and being smart with your surroundings so you don't die. You can't defend yourself since doing so will give you a kill.

To the OP: You've capped, now step it up a little bit and cap your quests ;]

I agree it takes patience to follow someone around for 12 hours doing nothing. But don't say its hard to defend yourself, you can easily run away, pop potions or log out of the dungeon.

If you're bored enough and have friends I imagine getting to 71 without dieing isn't that hard, doing it as well as killing things probably isn't.

[Suentous PO]

Yeah, I've made three of them by myself using two devices,
First one, death by a quicksand trap.
Second one, I forgot he had the Thor hammer in hand, tapped the screen to move, targeted and killed an enemy.
Third at lv 60 atm.
Leaching is doing nothing, that's not what was happening.

[icemando]

Soooo.. people in naver cafe team just leech and make funny looking characters all day o.O?

Grats anyways!
i was going for it but got one death at 70 so i made a ll 70 with 1/1/1/1 stat instead @.@

he did that by himself:)

he used 2 accounts in locked games.

I saw ur bear who has all 1 record.

thats great too xD

u r the ONE lol good job!

[jjangmh]

hhh thx yo.

ㅜㅜ 까는 분위기인가요?

[Sim Jing]

You are not bragging off, but teaching new people how to leech, thus ruining the game further. Your guild supporting idiots like you to leech? Obviously you aren't mature enough to at least auto attack.

InB4lock.

[HunterSLAYER]

The best leecher in Pl ever.
Seriously.

Sent from my ASUS Nexus 7 via Xparent Red Tapatalk 2

[Suentous PO]

Playing in a locked map by yourself on two devices is not leaching, it's a skill. Why do people wanna insult? Jjangmh is a nice guy.

[Urqui]

Mage... Support class... Has kills. Having kills, and no deaths is much more impressive IMO.

I may be one the minority on this one and that's fine. But I don't see how trailing behind the group, and hiding at bosses, is impressive. I can maybe see it being a cool thing you do with your friends, and maybe get noticed in game. I just don't think it bragging thread worthy.

Just my opinion

It's more impressive than buying kills with elixers at low level dungeons.. These people with no kills actually go to the dungeon of their lvl & risk their behind on getting killed;)

Grats valentines & nokills:)

[Ihavenokills]

You are not bragging off, but teaching new people how to leech, thus ruining the game further. Your guild supporting idiots like you to leech? Obviously you aren't mature enough to at least auto attack.

InB4lock.

obviously you are not mature enough to go by the saying "have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" Everyone plays differently and this has no effect on you whats so ever so why rage about it?

[Gaunab]

You are not bragging off, but teaching new people how to leech, thus ruining the game further. Your guild supporting idiots like you to leech? Obviously you aren't mature enough to at least auto attack.

InB4lock.

Jjangmh is one of the most efficiently playing PvE birds I have ever seen.

You obviously have some personal problems with his guild, this isn't the place for them.

And good job on seeing that thread lock coming up after making your offensive flamepost! :encouragement:

[Sim Jing]

obviously you are not mature enough to go by the saying "have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" Everyone plays differently and this has no effect on you whats so ever so why rage about it?
Obviously you are acting high up by following the wrong way.

Isn't it obvious he is playing in the way the game was not meant to be? I mean, if you think its fine, then expect a new generation of players following in his footsteps and not helping in PvE games at all.

I for one, if ever I see someone that did not do anything besides buffing himself or standing near to receive exp or loot, it's an auto-boot. I won't tolerate leechers like you or him inside my rooms.

InB4lock.

[Patricks]

He can play however he wants. It's his game and his money.

[Sim Jing]

He can play however he wants. It's his game and his money.

It does not give him the right to teach players how to leech. I would appreciate if he had added useful skills to at least get legit kills.

[Reddwing]

It does not give him the right to teach players how to leech. I would appreciate if he had added useful skills to at least get legit kills.
Wait, there are leeching classes? Where can I enroll? xD Let's not dictate on how other people play a video game. Not dying requires some level of skill, regardless of how "potted" up they are.

[Sim Jing]

Wait, there are leeching classes? Where can I enroll? xD Let's not dictate on how other people play a video game. Not dying requires some level of skill, regardless of how "potted" up they are.

Finally, someone mature enough which I can discuss with!

Not dying requires skill, but however can you explain his skillset? Obviously he was leeching. And leeching is not recommanded in ALL MMOs. In fact, it was discouraged. Having just buffs and debuffs that did not do damage to mobs? Can you explain how this is not leeching?

In fact, this post is teaching others how to be a nasty leech in future, and with some kids from N.C.T trolling my posts and an AoA Member willingly supporting this kind of gameplay, I don't see why should players like us accept this new "hybrid" which is not entertaining in games at all.

[Reddwing]

Sim Jing, you are not alone on that boat. I often solo and don't appreciate leeches as well. The best way to avoid them is to make your own games and BOOT EM ALL!!! (nicely :D)
As for the N.C.T. I have no idea, for I don't know the slightest bit of Korean and have never talked to anyone in that guild.
The majority of players don't support leeching and odds are it will stay that way.

[Sim Jing]

Sim Jing, you are not alone on that boat. I often solo and don't appreciate leeches as well. The best way to avoid them is to make your own games and BOOT EM ALL!!! (nicely :D)
YAY! In my case I boot Leeches too as they are a liability in my team.
As for the N.C.T. I have no idea, for I don't know the slightest bit of Korean and have never talked to anyone in that guild.
You have no idea how Koreans in NCT play. As of now they are acting like little kids over a pixelated bow previously and now this. Nope, not respecting them at all.
The majority of players don't support leeching and odds are it will stay that way.
Indeed. +1~

Thank you. and I would suggest giving that -lilithuglili a comeback as he was editting my posts and annoying me in forums. And if you looked closely, you will find that people from N.C.T are rude, self centered and now teaching others how to leech? Not the way the game is meant to be played bro. =D

[Bebsi]

Sim, I think u are taking this way too serious.

Everybody who has a zero death toon, has a main toon which is used to play the game"'how it's supposed to be played" in ur opinion :)
But u have to understand that sometimes (or in my case), I'm striving to get achievements that not everybody can achieve easily.
Saying that u should have kills, no prob...
I have zero death toons with a lot of kills in leaderboard.
I even might have more ordinary toons capped then u, the way u play the game.

And of course I don't like leechers as much as u do but ur wrong if u think the ones who cap such a toon, cap because they are trailing others.
Truth is that these players are far more dedicated than others, that's all.
Ever tried to leech 1k xp? Not possible without getting booted. So almost all of the time u need to solo.

There are many ways to enjoy the game :)
Pls don't judge unless u tried to play the game in different ways.
It helped me stick with the game. Otherwise I would have taken a lot more breaks than I've had so far ^_^

[Sim Jing]

Sim, I think u are taking this way too serious.

Everybody who has a zero death toon, has a main toon which is used to play the game"'how it's supposed to be played" in ur opinion :)
But u have to understand that sometimes (or in my case), I'm striving to get achievements that not everybody can achieve easily.
Saying that u should have kills, no prob...
I have zero death toons with a lot of kills in leaderboard.
I even might have more ordinary toons capped then u, the way u play the game.

And of course I don't like leechers as much as u do but ur wrong if u think the ones who cap such a toon, cap because they are trailing others.
Truth is that these players are far more dedicated than others, that's all.
Ever tried to leech 1k xp? Not possible without getting booted. So almost all of the time u need to solo.

There are many ways to enjoy the game :)
Pls don't judge unless u tried to play the game in different ways.
It helped me stick with the game. Otherwise I would have taken a lot more breaks than I've had so far ^_^

This does not mean however, you should advertise and show your character in front of the forums stating;

"Oh I have a character with 0 kills and 0 deaths!!!!"

No, you and your guildmates are indirectly trolling in the forums because by posting this, you are indirecting encouraging everyone to be a leech in games, something that was discouraged in the game.

Striving to get achievements? I don't care if this was your personal achievement because, how good will it do for yourself if you are just walking around and not assisting in any way? And I don't care if obviously you have more characters capped than what I have, just merely 3. The way you are acting shows a lack of knowledge of what was meant to be etiquette in the forums. No, you too are supporting this guy's statement that you can reach level 71 by leeching.

In the long run, if people like you continue to support this guy's post on how to leech, I would generally foresee many players in games not helping and just trailing around like they have nothing better to do. This would cause many serious gamers like myself to leave out of disgust in the long term as we have spent cash and time in playing and enjoying this game. You are not making constructive thoughts when you and your guildmate post this thread and you are teaching more people how to annoy others in the game! =(

[Zeus]

This does not mean however, you should advertise and show your character in front of the forums stating;

"Oh I have a character with 0 kills and 0 deaths!!!!"

No, you and your guildmates are indirectly trolling in the forums because by posting this, you are indirecting encouraging everyone to be a leech in games, something that was discouraged in the game.

Striving to get achievements? I don't care if this was your personal achievement because, how good will it do for yourself if you are just walking around and not assisting in any way? And I don't care if obviously you have more characters capped than what I have, just merely 3. The way you are acting shows a lack of knowledge of what was meant to be etiquette in the forums. No, you too are supporting this guy's statement that you can reach level 71 by leeching.

In the long run, if people like you continue to support this guy's post on how to leech, I would generally foresee many players in games not helping and just trailing around like they have nothing better to do. This would cause many serious gamers like myself to leave out of disgust in the long term as we have spent cash and time in playing and enjoying this game. You are not making constructive thoughts when you and your guildmate post this thread and you are teaching more people how to annoy others in the game! =(

I think it's wrong of you to twist his words when he's obviously not well versed in the English language. Jj is one of the nicest players I know in the game, so respect him. You keep telling the trolls to get off your back, but have you ever considered the fact that you may be trolling ATM?

Your hatred of NCT members blinds your logical judgement which I know is there, as I'm assure you're a very intelligent man.

[Sim Jing]

I think it's wrong of you to twist his words when he's obviously not well versed in the English language. Jj is one of the nicest players I know in the game, so respect him. You keep telling the trolls to get off your back, but have you ever considered the fact that you may be trolling ATM?

Your hatred of NCT members blinds your logical judgement which I know is there, as I'm assure you're a very intelligent man.

This thread is never about trolling N.C.T members on creating a 0kill 0 deaths. If you look closer at the second posts with pics, you will notice his skillsets aren't really helping any party he chanced upon in the first place.

Please recheck your thoughts on this thread Apollo. Encouraging others to make a 0 kills 0 deaths character may look like a good thing, but truly, it would indirectly lead to more leeches in the game, something undesirable to any games to begin with. Naver Cafe Team deserved my scolding because unlike many mature guilds I played with, the way they treat someone over a pixelated bow and now this matter that indirectly teaches others how to be a person to be shunned in most games they chanced upon made me lose respect for them.

Feel free to post any counter-arguments in here to protect your ego. You're welcome Apollo.

[Suentous PO]

Not dying requires skill, but however can you explain his skillset? Obviously he was leeching. And leeching is not recommanded in ALL MMOs. In fact, it was discouraged. Having just buffs and debuffs that did not do damage to mobs? Can you explain how this is not leeching?
Yes. He is not gaining the benefit of the hard work of other players. He is in a locked map so as not to bother anyone and protect the toon. He is not joining pick up games.
A leach requires a victim, in this case there is none.

[Sim Jing]

Yes. He is not gaining the benefit of the hard work of other players. He is in a locked map so as not to bother anyone and protect the toon. He is not joining pick up games.
A leach requires a victim, in this case there is none.

Even so, showing off his skillset and proclaim that you have a 0 kill 0 deaths capped player is wrong to begin with. As I must once again emphasise on what I have to say yet again, he is indirectly teaching others how to be a leech in future. He is not making constructive thoughts when he and his guildmate post this thread and he is INDIRECTLY teaching more people how to annoy others in the game.

[Zeus]

This thread is never about trolling N.C.T members on creating a 0kill 0 deaths. If you look closer at the second posts with pics, you will notice his skillsets aren't really helping any party he chanced upon in the first place.

Please recheck your thoughts on this thread Apollo. Encouraging others to make a 0 kills 0 deaths character may look like a good thing, but truly, it would indirectly lead to more leeches in the game, something undesirable to any games to begin with. Naver Cafe Team deserved my scolding because unlike many mature guilds I played with, the way they treat someone over a pixelated bow and now this matter that indirectly teaches others how to be a person to be shunned in most games they chanced upon made me lose respect for them.

Feel free to post any counter-arguments in here to protect your ego. You're welcome Apollo.

You're always quick to insult, buddy. This isn't about my ego, this is about you. If you want to, by all means, go ahead and say you won the argument, it doesn't matter to me because what's there to be embarrassed about?



You are not bragging off, but teaching new people how to leech, thus ruining the game further. Your guild supporting idiots like you to leech? Obviously you aren't mature enough to at least auto attack.

InB4lock.

I have quoted and bolded the section where you made it more of a personal issue & used it as an attack towards Jj.


In regards to the leech thing, he was no leech, as he supported his party by keeping them well healed & contributed to damage through debuffs. You know how effective those debuffs can be when coupled with a parties AOE spells? Very. Most mages don't bother to use them until AFTER all the damage spells are used up. Where are they left then? With some mobs still remaining because they decided not to weaken them before killing them, so that's where Jj comes in and is a contributing member to the party. He will end up debuffing the mobs before his teammates combo's land on the mobs, this contributing overall damage (possibly more than he could have attempted to by using spells).

Your outcry about him showing and encouraging others in leeching is far fetched, as noobs will usually remain noobs. Most of the "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive.

You don't like leeches in your party? Fine, boot them, problem solved.

Your signature says you're the defender of the weak & innocent. In this case, Jj is the weak with everybody pouncing on him, so why not defend him?

Is it so wrong that he's proud of his achievement? He has an end game character which he plays according to your standards, so forgive me, but I do not see the harm.

There will always be leeches & there is NOTHING you can do to stop them except to remove them from your party.

[Suentous PO]

The skillset shows me a back up character to follow the main that he is also playing. STS has said in the past that there is nothing wrong with playing on two devices. He can't be blamed for anyone who legitimately does leach, which does fall under the "ruining others experience" part of the tos. This fad/trend of making a zero toon has been around a LONG time. Another friend of mine has done this long before and it didn't ruin Alterra.
No one disagrees real leaches should get the steel toe boot.
I dont see this as a thread teaching others to do what is wrong. It looked to me to be an exuberant sharing of one persons experience.

[Zeus]

The skillset shows me a back up character to follow the main that he is also playing. STS has said in the past that there is nothing wrong with playing on two devices. He can't be blamed for anyone who legitimately does leach, which does fall under the "ruining others experience" part of the tos. This fad/trend of making a zero toon has been around a LONG time. Another friend of mine has done this long before and it didn't ruin Alterra.
No one disagrees real leaches should get the steel toe boot.
I dont see this as a thread teaching others to do what is wrong. It looked to me to be an exuberant sharing of one persons experience.

Very well said.

[Patricks]

Yes. He is not gaining the benefit of the hard work of other players. He is in a locked map so as not to bother anyone and protect the toon. He is not joining pick up games.
A leach requires a victim, in this case there is none.

Even so, showing off his skillset and proclaim that you have a 0 kill 0 deaths capped player is wrong to begin with. As I must once again emphasise on what I have to say yet again, he is indirectly teaching others how to be a leech in future. He is not making constructive thoughts when he and his guildmate post this thread and he is INDIRECTLY teaching more people how to annoy others in the game.


Sim Jing is correct as always. Before i saw this thread i did not know how to leech. But after seeing it, i immediately learned (indirectly) how to become an expert leech.

He is right when he said it is wrong to to this. It is immoral. First no kills no deaths, then marijuana, then cocaine, then crime to pay for the habit. Its a chain reaction that spirals out of control starting with that zero kill zero death toon. My sister ended up having 3 abortions because of a 0kills 0deaths capped toon. Please take the situation more seriously.

[Frealaf]

I see this turned into a bitchfest.

Anyway my original point still stands regardless of how he levelled. This isn't an achievement worth bragging about when it is so easy to avoid death.

A toon with an appropriate amount of kills and zero deaths would be worth bragging about

[Bebsi]

This does not mean however, you should advertise and show your character in front of the forums stating;

"Oh I have a character with 0 kills and 0 deaths!!!!"

No, you and your guildmates are indirectly trolling in the forums because by posting this, you are indirecting encouraging everyone to be a leech in games, something that was discouraged in the game.

Striving to get achievements? I don't care if this was your personal achievement because, how good will it do for yourself if you are just walking around and not assisting in any way? And I don't care if obviously you have more characters capped than what I have, just merely 3. The way you are acting shows a lack of knowledge of what was meant to be etiquette in the forums. No, you too are supporting this guy's statement that you can reach level 71 by leeching.

In the long run, if people like you continue to support this guy's post on how to leech, I would generally foresee many players in games not helping and just trailing around like they have nothing better to do. This would cause many serious gamers like myself to leave out of disgust in the long term as we have spent cash and time in playing and enjoying this game. You are not making constructive thoughts when you and your guildmate post this thread and you are teaching more people how to annoy others in the game! =(


First of all, he is not my guild mate.
But I'd rather have him than u as a guild mate cause like Apollo said, JJ is a nice guy, u just haven't farmed with him yet.

And I don't teach ppl how to leech, there is nothing to teach.
Just because a few ppl have those toons there won't be a huge wave of leechers coming. Ur paranoid.
It doesn't effect ur game if ur the host. Boot the ppl u don't like, no prob.

It's funny that u talk about etiquette while calling others idiots in the same thread.
Saying that I'm not a serious player is truely an insult but well, I think I can handle that ^_^
It's also funny that ur talking about making constructive posts while ur the one that's not capable of doing so.

Why would u leave in disgust?
I just told u that we all have main toons that fit very good into team play.

JJ is not teaching how to leech, he was just happy that he capped a zerodeath-zerokill toon.
Don't be such a drama queen lol

[Sim Jing]

Sim Jing is correct as always. Before i saw this thread i did not know how to leech. But after seeing it, i immediately learned (indirectly) how to become an expert leech.

He is right when he said it is wrong to to this. It is immoral. First no kills no deaths, then marijuana, then cocaine, then crime to pay for the habit. Its a chain reaction that spirals out of control starting with that zero kill zero death toon. My sister ended up having 3 abortions because of a 0kills 0deaths capped toon. Please take the situation more seriously.

See what I mean about indirect teaching? So you were saying Apollo;

he was no leech, as he supported his party by keeping them well healed & contributed to damage through debuffs. You know how effective those debuffs can be when coupled with a parties AOE spells? Very. Most mages don't bother to use them until AFTER all the damage spells are used up. Where are they left then? With some mobs still remaining because they decided not to weaken them before killing them, so that's where Jj comes in and is a contributing member to the party. He will end up debuffing the mobs before his teammates combo's land on the mobs, this contributing overall damage (possibly more than he could have attempted to by using spells).

Even so, the picture of his skillsets itself is, let me once again emphasise since at least you counter my arguments well, He was indirectly teaching others how to leech in games, which is frowned upon by many players, even you, unless you probably don't even bother to raise your views out and make your own stand in the first place.


Your outcry about him showing and encouraging others in leeching is far fetched, as noobs will usually remain noobs. Most of the "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive.

So are you implying that people that do not know anything will always not know anything? Is that what you are trying to implant into the argument, bro? And For Your Info, even though it is as what you say, "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive, is this really what you are trying to say. Literally, you are telling me that 80% of the population from Pocket Legends have not chanced upon this forum that everyone is in. Not true. I can maybe not be in an account and still I can see the forums in a spectator view to know what's going on. Can you still tell me New people won't come into the forums?


You don't like leeches in your party? Fine, boot them, problem solved.

Easy for you to say, if you keep defending the OP, sooner or later people will learn to leech just like him. And no, it will NOT Be in a private game. It will go like an outbreak.
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I would like to introduce you to this poster made in Singapore, you catch a cold, you sneeze without any protection like tissues, you spread the germ. Similar to this scenario, If you indirectly teach others to leech by posting this trollbait post in the forums, similarly others will learn how to troll and leech in front of others in a game. In this scenario it is never about easy booting of anybody that isn't up to standard in a room, it is to prevent people from teaching, let alone introducing others how to be a person that got booted out of numerous rooms because of leeching and trolling.


Your signature says you're the defender of the weak & innocent. In this case, Jj is the weak with everybody pouncing on him, so why not defend him?

You are talking out of subject. Nuff said.


Is it so wrong that he's proud of his achievement? He has an end game character which he plays according to your standards, so forgive me, but I do not see the harm.

You may not see the harm now, it is like a small SARS outbreak in 2003/2004. It may not be noticeable, but when it starts collecting numerous victims, plus a few deaths, WHO was aware of the situation. Soon everybody starts wearing masks like crazy in numerous parts of the world, praying hard they would not catch the new virus that is airborne. Do you get the picture now Apollo? Everything starts out small, then sooner or later, it turns into a BIG problem we have to handle.


There will always be leeches & there is NOTHING you can do to stop them except to remove them from your party.

And this is why I am preventing this troll thread from ruining other's gameplay, whether old players or new. I will not want to allow anybody to learn from this thread in the first place. It is for the best for the community.

In Before The Lock.

~Chioricon~

[Zeus]

See what I mean about indirect teaching? So you were saying Apollo;


Even so, the picture of his skillsets itself is, let me once again emphasise since at least you counter my arguments well, He was indirectly teaching others how to leech in games, which is frowned upon by many players, even you, unless you probably don't even bother to raise your views out and make your own stand in the first place.



So are you implying that people that do not know anything will always not know anything? Is that what you are trying to implant into the argument, bro? And For Your Info, even though it is as what you say, "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive, is this really what you are trying to say. Literally, you are telling me that 80% of the population from Pocket Legends have not chanced upon this forum that everyone is in. Not true. I can maybe not be in an account and still I can see the forums in a spectator view to know what's going on. Can you still tell me New people won't come into the forums?



Easy for you to say, if you keep defending the OP, sooner or later people will learn to leech just like him. And no, it will NOT Be in a private game. It will go like an outbreak.
16143

I would like to introduce you to this poster made in Singapore, you catch a cold, you sneeze without any protection like tissues, you spread the germ. Similar to this scenario, If you indirectly teach others to leech by posting this trollbait post in the forums, similarly others will learn how to troll and leech in front of others in a game. In this scenario it is never about easy booting of anybody that isn't up to standard in a room, it is to prevent people from teaching, let alone introducing others how to be a person that got booted out of numerous rooms because of leeching and trolling.



You are talking out of subject. Nuff said.



You may not see the harm now, it is like a small SARS outbreak in 2003/2004. It may not be noticeable, but when it starts collecting numerous victims, plus a few deaths, WHO was aware of the situation. Soon everybody starts wearing masks like crazy in numerous parts of the world, praying hard they would not catch the new virus that is airborne. Do you get the picture now Apollo? Everything starts out small, then sooner or later, it turns into a BIG problem we have to handle.



And this is why I am preventing this troll thread from ruining other's gameplay, whether old players or new. I will not want to allow anybody to learn from this thread in the first place. It is for the best for the community.

In Before The Lock.

~Chioricon~

You're not understanding that, even when directed to the forums & shown the abundance of knowledge about the game on here, most people will not enjoy reading long walls of text about the game that show how they're "supposed" to play, just because it's the most efficient. No, most people are in game & having fun. Sure, it may make them more "noob-like", but they're having fun. That's my point, most people, for anything that requires effort (like this) will not attempt it. Pl is a casual game, this is a feat of the hardcore. Normal leeching is going to happen regardless, but this is not normal leeching, but rather a skill.

Your logic doesn't make sense. A disease is airborne and thus easily spread, it is not something somebody can learn. Please explain to me how this will catch from person to person, as Jj was not the person to do it, infact, there have been quite a few who have without this so called outbreak you speak of.

Here's something I should point out. He has ZERO KILLS AND ZERO DEATHS. Can you really imagine anyone with enough boredom to level all the way to end game without gaining a single kill? I'm not even talking about deaths here, but ONE single kill? Everybody leaches at one point or another, but nobody except pros who want to have it as an achievement is going to level from 1-71 without a single kill.

I'm not talking out of subject, btw, as you're ragging on Jj for no reason.

[Megabird56]

Sim Jing is correct as always. Before i saw this thread i did not know how to leech. But after seeing it, i immediately learned (indirectly) how to become an expert leech.

He is right when he said it is wrong to to this. It is immoral. First no kills no deaths, then marijuana, then cocaine, then crime to pay for the habit. Its a chain reaction that spirals out of control starting with that zero kill zero death toon. My sister ended up having 3 abortions because of a 0kills 0deaths capped toon. Please take the situation more seriously.

See what I mean about indirect teaching? So you were saying Apollo;

he was no leech, as he supported his party by keeping them well healed & contributed to damage through debuffs. You know how effective those debuffs can be when coupled with a parties AOE spells? Very. Most mages don't bother to use them until AFTER all the damage spells are used up. Where are they left then? With some mobs still remaining because they decided not to weaken them before killing them, so that's where Jj comes in and is a contributing member to the party. He will end up debuffing the mobs before his teammates combo's land on the mobs, this contributing overall damage (possibly more than he could have attempted to by using spells).

Even so, the picture of his skillsets itself is, let me once again emphasise since at least you counter my arguments well, He was indirectly teaching others how to leech in games, which is frowned upon by many players, even you, unless you probably don't even bother to raise your views out and make your own stand in the first place.


Your outcry about him showing and encouraging others in leeching is far fetched, as noobs will usually remain noobs. Most of the "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive.

So are you implying that people that do not know anything will always not know anything? Is that what you are trying to implant into the argument, bro? And For Your Info, even though it is as what you say, "noobs" on PL do not access forums or use forums, so it will not help/be counter productive, is this really what you are trying to say. Literally, you are telling me that 80% of the population from Pocket Legends have not chanced upon this forum that everyone is in. Not true. I can maybe not be in an account and still I can see the forums in a spectator view to know what's going on. Can you still tell me New people won't come into the forums?


You don't like leeches in your party? Fine, boot them, problem solved.

Easy for you to say, if you keep defending the OP, sooner or later people will learn to leech just like him. And no, it will NOT Be in a private game. It will go like an outbreak.
16143

I would like to introduce you to this poster made in Singapore, you catch a cold, you sneeze without any protection like tissues, you spread the germ. Similar to this scenario, If you indirectly teach others to leech by posting this trollbait post in the forums, similarly others will learn how to troll and leech in front of others in a game. In this scenario it is never about easy booting of anybody that isn't up to standard in a room, it is to prevent people from teaching, let alone introducing others how to be a person that got booted out of numerous rooms because of leeching and trolling.


Your signature says you're the defender of the weak & innocent. In this case, Jj is the weak with everybody pouncing on him, so why not defend him?

You are talking out of subject. Nuff said.


Is it so wrong that he's proud of his achievement? He has an end game character which he plays according to your standards, so forgive me, but I do not see the harm.

You may not see the harm now, it is like a small SARS outbreak in 2003/2004. It may not be noticeable, but when it starts collecting numerous victims, plus a few deaths, WHO was aware of the situation. Soon everybody starts wearing masks like crazy in numerous parts of the world, praying hard they would not catch the new virus that is airborne. Do you get the picture now Apollo? Everything starts out small, then sooner or later, it turns into a BIG problem we have to handle.


There will always be leeches & there is NOTHING you can do to stop them except to remove them from your party.

And this is why I am preventing this troll thread from ruining other's gameplay, whether old players or new. I will not want to allow anybody to learn from this thread in the first place. It is for the best for the community.

In Before The Lock.

~Chioricon~


Patricks is being sarcastic. Do they have posters in singapore that teach you about sarcasm? You really think his sister had three abortions because of this?

Wow. LOL.

[Sim Jing]

Your logic doesn't make sense. A disease is airborne and thus easily spread, it is not something somebody can learn. Please explain to me how this will catch from person to person, as Jj was not the person to do it, infact, there have been quite a few who have without this so called outbreak you speak of.

Here's something I should point out. He has ZERO KILLS AND ZERO DEATHS. Can you really imagine anyone with enough boredom to level all the way to end game without gaining a single kill? I'm not even talking about deaths here, but ONE single kill? Everybody leaches at one point or another, but nobody except pros who want to have it as an achievement is going to level from 1-71 without a single kill.
I was refering to those diseases as an example of how bad habits like leeching could be spread. You should be the one reading word by word instead of making a hollow-sounded "Your logic does not make sense."

It has everything to do with making sense. Did you know that people learn from those threads how to leech? It probable explains why we saw many leechers in the games recently, not to mention bad players that dare advertise to give them powerleveling for a small or, in some cases, a hugh amount that could probably lead to a scam in the first place.

Here is another thing I must point out as well. Talking big over a 0 kill and 0 deaths character that has reached the cap is, to me in all ways not eligible for my respect as frankly, they are not giving a good example to others among them because they are, as I must yet again emphasize, Indirectly teaching others how to leech. And look, you claimed that everybody leeches at some point, and you even have the courage to even dare say that only pros will go for the cap in another character without kills?

Not everyone, as you claimed leeches from the start. It was because of others that taught them how to be an extra load to others in a game, which some take as an example and follow. I have many friends I played from start to end, even then they always helped in each other's game. There was not a single word of leeching or trolling in our games.

If you really want the achievement of getting a zero death character, consider making one that mostly help up and yet never died in games. That way many players would look up in awe around them, even I. This post is not teaching them any good values. It simply teaches them how to troll and leech in games, Indirectly.

[Sim Jing]

Patricks is being sarcastic. Do they have posters in singapore that teach you about sarcasm? You really think his sister had three abortions because of this?

Wow. LOL.

You are not making sense, neither are you sharing your views. You are trying to implement Patricks of being sarcastic which frankly, I don't think he is. Talk proper if you want to counter my arguments. Thanks.

EDIT:

You're not understanding that, even when directed to the forums & shown the abundance of knowledge about the game on here, most people will not enjoy reading long walls of text about the game that show how they're "supposed" to play, just because it's the most efficient. No, most people are in game & having fun. Sure, it may make them more "noob-like", but they're having fun. That's my point, most people, for anything that requires effort (like this) will not attempt it. Pl is a casual game, this is a feat of the hardcore. Normal leeching is going to happen regardless, but this is not normal leeching, but rather a skill.

It makes them more "noob" like indeed. Apollo, if you are okay with thinking this kind of leeching is a skill, then from what i said in earlier threads, expect many players, even some immature people in the forums to come into numerous rooms leeching and not helping teammates at all.

Your argument against me is more on me traumatizing the people of N.C.T which in the first part when I insulted them, it was to defend Bobep against them. However this time, it was about some members of N.C.T. teaching others how to be an epic leech in future and you seem to be protecting them? Trust me buddy, no good would come out of this post had I not post my thoughts. And even so, it is up to you, and many others to consider deeply, do we all want to teach new players that come into Pocket Legends, the game that was awarded the best mobile MMO of 2011, really bad examples?

Please consider this as supporting this post would only worsen Pocket Legends in the long term.

[Zeus]

You are not making sense, neither are you sharing your views. You are trying to implement Patricks of being sarcastic which frankly, I don't think he is. Talk proper if you want to counter my arguments. Thanks.

EDIT:


It makes them more "noob" like indeed. Apollo, if you are okay with thinking this kind of leeching is a skill, then from what i said in earlier threads, expect many players, even some immature people in the forums to come into numerous rooms leeching and not helping teammates at all.

Your argument against me is more on me traumatizing the people of N.C.T which in the first part when I insulted them, it was to defend Bobep against them. However this time, it was about some members of N.C.T. teaching others how to be an epic leech in future and you seem to be protecting them? Trust me buddy, no good would come out of this post had I not post my thoughts. And even so, it is up to you, and many others to consider deeply, do we all want to teach new players that come into Pocket Legends, the game that was awarded the best mobile MMO of 2011, really bad examples?

Please consider this as supporting this post would only worsen Pocket Legends in the long term.

First of all, Patrick was being satiric, it is clearly visible.

Secondly, why do you overexaggerate everything?

No, I do no support leeching & no, it won't become an epidemic, which is why I said your logic does not make sense. Do you really HONESTLY believe people will think, "Hmm, this is a good way to play!".

No, those with that mind set hardly make it to 70-71. Even if they do, gear usually tells a story, so you're booting most of them based on inefficient gear anyways. Leeches typically have outdated gear from a campaign or many campaigns lower, in my experience, because they cannot afford the set. Why? Most likely because they've been leaching!

Leeching has not become a big outbreak in this MMO for the following reason: Runs are short & you need the teamwork to clear the map & boss anyways.

I am willing to bet 10m on your supposed "leech outbreak" never happening in PL. There is no need to overexaggerate situations, as it does not help & that outcome HARDLY ever happens.

Jj is not teaching people how to leech, he's merely saying, "look, isn't this nifty? A 71 without a single kill or death? What an ultimate noob!"

Anyways, I could argue further and bring up some stronger arguments, but I value sleep more, so I'm going to get some shut-eye while you can continue saying how this thread is unneeded.

For future reference, you should learn how to state your views on a public forum in a non aggressive way & you'll find people will not only hear you out, but also take you more seriously & perhaps offer views of their own that have not spawned due to anger & frustration.

Also, it's probably not the best idea to pick on one player because of your hatred towards their guild and race, which can be proven through some saved posts.

Apologies for any typos or any confusions, I typed this on a mobile device.

[Sim Jing]

First of all, Patrick was being satiric, it is clearly visible.
I don't care if Patricks is sarcastic or not. And nevertheless, I was talking more on people learning to leech.
Secondly, why do you overexaggerate everything?
I was never overexxaggarating everything. I was stating facts that sooner or later might happen in PL.
No, I do no support leeching & no, it won't become an epidemic, which is why I said your logic does not make sense. Do you really HONESTLY believe people will think, "Hmm, this is a good way to play!".
I never concluded that it would be an epidemic in the first place, as I have mentioned previously, understand that I merely placed this SARS epidemic as an example. Only the truly mature players in the game would actually agree with me that this is never a great way to play, so yeah, you and I were on different grounds on our views, obviously.

No, those with that mind set hardly make it to 70-71. Even if they do, gear usually tells a story, so you're booting most of them based on inefficient gear anyways. Leeches typically have outdated gear from a campaign or many campaigns lower, in my experience, because they cannot afford the set. Why? Most likely because they've been leaching!
Do note that gear only tells HALF of the story, because once, we saw someone with an elite staff set in our rooms, and he was merely walking and not helping or ressurecting, nor healing. Can you explain that? You obviously have a lot more runs to go if until now, you have not seen such great armor person leech in the game.

Leeching has not become a big outbreak in this MMO for the following reason: Runs are short & you need the teamwork to clear the map & boss anyways.
Okay, so you admitted that teamwork is essential when it comes to clearing maps or bosses. However, players can still run the map on 3~4 players if they are skilled enough. This scenario would be perfect for a would-be leech, as they can just stand there and let them clear while they earn loot and exp. Is that fair to you? As you mentioned, you will boot them. So why are you supporting this in the first place.

I am willing to bet 10m on your supposed "leech outbreak" never happening in PL. There is no need to overexaggerate situations, as it does not help & that outcome HARDLY ever happens.
I did not mention the mass of that outbreak, did I? All I did mentioned is that more players would learn from this and become a burden to others in the game. And for your info, I do not need your 10 million. =3

Jj is not teaching people how to leech, he's merely saying, "look, isn't this nifty? A 71 without a single kill or death? What an ultimate noob!"
Very funny, trying to "understand" Jj which frankly, he asked us to congratulate him for creating a level 71 leech? Your point is invalid as you are thinking that he created this character to call it a level 71 leech. I on the other hand considered him proud of what he did, and supposedly not knowing that others like you would create and start supporting him.

Anyways, I could argue further and bring up some stronger arguments, but I value sleep more, so I'm going to get some shut-eye while you can continue saying how this thread is unneeded.
I don't really care if you want to bring stronger arguments in here. All I do know is to prevent this from allowing others to learn from this which in my opinion, harmful and degrading Pocket Legends standards anyway.

For future reference, you should learn how to state your views on a public forum in a non aggressive way & you'll find people will not only hear you out, but also take you more seriously & perhaps offer views of their own that have not spawned due to anger & frustration.
For future references, you should learn to think before you counter-argue on my opinion. Understand that aggressive or not, Brash or not, the point of this post teaching others to be a leech still stands, and I would like it to be torn down ASAP.
Also, it's probably not the best idea to pick on one player because of your hatred towards their guild and race, which can be proven through some saved posts.
I was not picking on 1 player because of your assumption of me hating N.C.T. I merely voiced out my opinion, and I stated some facts if people like you support this kind of playing in Pocket Legends.

Apologies for any typos or any confusions, I typed this on a mobile device.
No worries. =D

Your arguments against me is starting to become like a broken-record. Please understand and act like a good example to the community since you are a GoA. Thank you.

[JaytB]

A guy can't even post a cool achievement anymore without being attacked by bored and obvious trolls :/

Anyway, grats to the OP. That's quite an achievement in my book!

[Sim Jing]

A guy can't even post a cool achievement anymore without being attacked by bored and obvious trolls :/

Anyway, grats to the OP. That's quite an achievement in my book!

And so you, another from GoA, also consider this a great achievement? As I have mentioned previously, this was never an achieventment showoff, but rather a topic which encourages others to leech in games.

[JaytB]

And so you, another from GoA, also consider this a great achievement? As I have mentioned previously, this was never an achieventment showoff, but rather a topic which encourages others to leech in games.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I posted mine. Simple as that.

[Sim Jing]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I posted mine. Simple as that.

Indeed. Just understand that my opinion is not to allow this post to teach others how to leech.

[Thelastblink]

Indeed. Just understand that my opinion is not to allow this post to teach others how to leech.

I read every single post you made...and everybody elses too. First of all you obviously have a grudge against NCT because of the bopep scam.... I assure you there are a HUGE amount of people in NCT, just because a few people mightve taken it too far i dont think it means you have to make a bad image of the whole guild. Also, he played in his own locked game... so he isn't ruining anyone's experience. And tbh I don't think anyone would bother leeching even if they knew how to which is so simple... Just gain xp without killing/dieing, not many people would be that bored. Furthermore, this is just a thread to show happy/proud moments.. By saying this is non-constructive and say in before lock im pretty sure you would think that every single thread that says something like "im finally 71!" should be locked.... But whenever I opened them I didn't see you flame them... I think you shouldnt pick on NCT members. I personally think if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it unless it is constructive.
P.S. Congrats jjiang!

[KingFu]

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j352/bounphi/ef5d595167bbe67d5210e7387b0e0e12.jpg

Nothing new and nothing special any more, but Gratz :)

It hasn't been special since the devs gave people a free 65 with 0:0 kds.

[Pakax]

Agreed - I sitll like to see those stats tho :-)


It hasn't been special since the devs gave people a free 65 with 0:0 kds.

[Sim Jing]

I read every single post you made...and everybody elses too. First of all you obviously have a grudge against NCT because of the bopep scam.... I assure you there are a HUGE amount of people in NCT, just because a few people mightve taken it too far i dont think it means you have to make a bad image of the whole guild. Also, he played in his own locked game... so he isn't ruining anyone's experience. And tbh I don't think anyone would bother leeching even if they knew how to which is so simple... Just gain xp without killing/dieing, not many people would be that bored. Furthermore, this is just a thread to show happy/proud moments.. By saying this is non-constructive and say in before lock im pretty sure you would think that every single thread that says something like "im finally 71!" should be locked.... But whenever I opened them I didn't see you flame them... I think you shouldnt pick on NCT members. I personally think if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it unless it is constructive.
P.S. Congrats jjiang!

I was not trying to personally attack N.C.T in any way, however, he showed their skillsets in page 1 which in my opinion, is equivalent to acting like a leech in game. My opinion is to stop this thread by telling them that they are giving a bad example to others, however you lot do not want to hear.

A leech is still a leech, be it playing in public or hosting a private game and inviting friends to help.

[Bebsi]

It hasn't been special since the devs gave people a free 65 with 0:0 kds.

I grinded a few million xp in my PL career, so another ~100k difference wouldn't have prevented me from capping this toon eventually. I'm pretty sure u know that I can be persistent when it comes to farming :)

Off topic:
U got any dragon drops so far?

[Thelastblink]

I was not trying to personally attack N.C.T in any way, however, he showed their skillsets in page 1 which in my opinion, is equivalent to acting like a leech in game. My opinion is to stop this thread by telling them that they are giving a bad example to others, however you lot do not want to hear.

A leech is still a leech, be it playing in public or hosting a private game and inviting friends to help.

Yea... sure you werent trying to personally attack.. you say a lousy guild eh? And now in another you make a mocking acronym for NCT? Wow..... And I personally have nothing wrong with leeching because they have the options to BOOOT!!! Also, it isnt against the rules, I don't think it gives a bad example to others at all as hardly anyone even does it.

[小孩子]

Sim Jing if you don't have anything nice or appreciative to contribute then please leave, You are obviously trying to cause an arguement by continuously posting, everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions, if you believe that he is settng a bad example then please keep that opinion to yourself, report if you must but you do NOT need to share it with others, you do NOT need to encourage others to see things like you do.

Jjangmh and his guild have always been nice and friendly players amongst the PL community, some have even offered to power level newbies.
Also, if you find that using two accounts in a locked game is against the Terms of Service then feel free to report it.
Reaching 71 with no kills or deaths is an incredible feat even by leeching off team mates however reaching 71 by HIMSELF without any others helping is a whole new level of ELITE, Jjangmh clearly has a character where he has played *properly* :loyal: so he is entitled to do whatever he wants with his account and his gameplay.

I believe i speak on behalf of everyone here, please just KEEP your thoughts to YOURSELF and stop trying to target specific individuals.
it could have been taken as an act of JEALOUSY that you are going against him because you envy his character, it could also have been taken as an act of racism.

We all live on this one tiny planet so let's all try to get along shall we?

Sincerely

Hunzz. :encouragement:

Ps: my post is not meant to be offensive in any way, if it has offended you then please let me know and i will edit it out.

[小孩子]

Even so, showing off his skillset and proclaim that you have a 0 kill 0 deaths capped player is wrong to begin with. As I must once again emphasise on what I have to say yet again, he is indirectly teaching others how to be a leech in future. He is not making constructive thoughts when he and his guildmate post this thread and he is INDIRECTLY teaching more people how to annoy others in the game.

If your claiming that having a character with no kills or deaths annoys you/others then im guessing you don't like the devs either...

You should meet up with Justg, i believe hes taken leeching to a whole new level.. literally..
Level 100 no kills.UMAD?

[StompArtist]

don't knock him down till you try it mate. No kills and deaths is a lot harder than you think. Not only is it frustrating sometimes but it takes patience and being smart with your surroundings so you don't die. You can't defend yourself since doing so will give you a kill.

To the OP: You've capped, now step it up a little bit and cap your quests ;]

I don't think he can cap the quests without killing, can he?

[小孩子]

I was not trying to personally attack N.C.T in any way, however, he showed their skillsets in page 1 which in my opinion, is equivalent to acting like a leech in game. My opinion is to stop this thread by telling them that they are giving a bad example to others, however you lot do not want to hear.

A leech is still a leech, be it playing in public or hosting a private game and inviting friends to help.

Thing is he Didn't just get his friends to help, he did it by HIMSELF using two different accounts

[JaytB]

I don't think he can cap the quests without killing, can he?

Disable XP gain = no kills ;)

[小孩子]

I don't think he can cap the quests without killing, can he?

He can by using another account to kill for him

[小孩子]

Disable XP gain = no kills ;)

Ooooooor.... he could do that.. @.@..
I forgot that function existed..

[Zeus]

Your arguments against me is starting to become like a broken-record. Please understand and act like a good example to the community since you are a GoA. Thank you.

I could say the same.

The point is, it has been about NCT, as I proved with your original post.

Also, do not throw the status in my face if you do not understand why it was given in the first place: as a "thank you", not as a moderator or leadership sort of role.

My arguments are getting redundant because

A. They're correct, you're up scaling a tiny issue & dramatizing it. If you sincerely believe this will encourage multitudes of players leeching, then you sir, are impractical.

B. I am not trying to beat you at an argument, as I already said, if you want to "win" the argument, consider it won to satisfy your ego & public visage.

C. Key concepts never change. You're arguing about this for the following reasons: NCT & your hatred towards the guild and members, self promotion, leeching (which isn't leeching as he is actually helping the players)

As for runs, I efficiently know all three classes both in PvE & PvP and how to utilize them best.

I have a solution for you and your hatred of these "projects", simply run with your guild and friends so you won't ever have to deal with them.

[Subscriber]

Cool, grats.

[Ihavenokills]

Disable XP gain = no kills ;)

BINGO!!! finally someone knows how i do it lol

i swear if i get one more pm about haxing... what makes it a lil more difficult is keeping that deaths at 0 since some quests require you to kill for yourself to actually count.

[WhoIsThis]

Even so, showing off his skillset and proclaim that you have a 0 kill 0 deaths capped player is wrong to begin with. As I must once again emphasise on what I have to say yet again, he is indirectly teaching others how to be a leech in future. He is not making constructive thoughts when he and his guildmate post this thread and he is INDIRECTLY teaching more people how to annoy others in the game.

Gonna have to agree with this post.

This post is a player showing off that he is deliberately not pulling his weight in dungeons. I gotta ask everyone who read this thread and thinks that the OP made a genuine accomplishment - would you want this player to be trying this "achievement" (if you can call this an achievement) when you're running a dungeon? A player that will deliberately not attack things to get kills? A player that is likely to bail out at the first sign of trouble to preserve his precious "0 deaths"? You might as well 4 man the dungeon, which slows down your xp, and the rate that you get loot (you'll complete the dungeon slower).

[Suentous PO]

To answer your question; yes, when it has been a friend of mine and it was all in fun. No when it is a serious attemp at farming or leveling, but in that case we have the ability to boot.
Seems like you are assuming he did this by joining other peoples games, he did not.
Cheers

[小孩子]

Your attacking him by saying he is encouraging others to *Leech* when infact he leveled it al by himself.

I personally have gone in public games on my 0kdr char and before everyon started i openly told every that "I will not be killing anything as this is a 0 kdr character"
Not a single person had a problem with it.

I leveled all the way to 70 not once have i been kicked, abused or even told to leave.

And to answer WhoIsThis's question, Yes it is an achievement. Reaching 71 is one of the greatest accomplishments one can achieve, reaching 71 with NO kills or Deaths is a whole new level of greatness.
One could say that 71 no kdr is the greatest accomplshment you can achieve

[Sim Jing]

Gonna have to agree with this post.

This post is a player showing off that he is deliberately not pulling his weight in dungeons. I gotta ask everyone who read this thread and thinks that the OP made a genuine accomplishment - would you want this player to be trying this "achievement" (if you can call this an achievement) when you're running a dungeon? A player that will deliberately not attack things to get kills? A player that is likely to bail out at the first sign of trouble to preserve his precious "0 deaths"? You might as well 4 man the dungeon, which slows down your xp, and the rate that you get loot (you'll complete the dungeon slower).

Finally! Someone that agrees with me in a forum where trolls and bad examples are nearly about all that matters in the PL General Discussion!

You sir, Truly Deserves My Respect.

[WhoIsThis]

Your attacking him by saying he is encouraging others to *Leech* when infact he leveled it al by himself.

So he gained xp ... by not killing anything. Apparently that's levelling and doing it yourself.



I personally have gone in public games on my 0kdr char and before everyon started i openly told every that "I will not be killing anything as this is a 0 kdr character"
Not a single person had a problem with it.

I leveled all the way to 70 not once have i been kicked, abused or even told to leave.

There are several things. First we don't know whether or not your teammates would have preferred a player that actually attacked and got kills versus a player that just passively sits there and collected xp. Second, if you're going to preserve that 0 death, you're going have to be the kind that's going to bail to preserve your 0 death ratio if you have the slightest indication that things are going to go wrong. If you truly disclosed the implications of what you are saying, I wonder how the people that you run with would have felt.





And to answer WhoIsThis's question, Yes it is an achievement. Reaching 71 is one of the greatest accomplishments one can achieve, reaching 71 with NO kills or Deaths is a whole new level of greatness.
One could say that 71 no kdr is the greatest accomplshment you can achieve

You have no idea how painful it was for me to read that. How the mighty have fallen. From a game where people in early 2010 where everyone did the best to learn their class and pull their weight in dungeons as best they could to ... this. Celebrating the fact that you can be carried without protest as the "greatest" achievement of PL.





Edit:
Let's think about what we are talking about. We have a player that can spam weakness, nightmare, and perhaps a few heals along the way. Against this, we can boot and get a player that debuffs, heals, and does competent dps. A good pure int mage can do all 3 with relative ease. What would you rather have in your party?

[vampinoy]

You overrate the feat, reaching 71 is a piece of cake, reaching 71 with no kills or deaths doesn't make it hard...it's just less easy...just saying :P I wouldn't dismiss this as leeching right away, if he really did play on two devices then he's a pretty patient fella (though personally I don't see the point other than you must be really bored or something). So in that regard, congrats. But to call it great or even the greatest is going a little too far. It's a decent feat though, it's a challenge in endurance and patience more than skill. It's easy not to die if you have the access all dungeon elixir with your thrasher on, but it's definitely boring :P

[小孩子]

So he gained xp ... by not killing anything. Apparently that's levelling and doing it yourself.



There are several things. First we don't know whether or not your teammates would have preferred a player that actually attacked and got kills versus a player that just passively sits there and collected xp. Second, if you're going to preserve that 0 death, you're going have to be the kind that's going to bail to preserve your 0 death ratio if you have the slightest indication that things are going to go wrong. If you truly disclosed the implications of what you are saying, I wonder how the people that you run with would have felt.





You have no idea how painful it was for me to read that. How the mighty have fallen. From a game where people in early 2010 where everyone did the best to learn their class and pull their weight in dungeons as best they could to ... this. Celebrating the fact that you can be carried without protest as the "greatest" achievement of PL.





Edit:
Let's think about what we are talking about. We have a player that can spam weakness, nightmare, and perhaps a few heals along the way. Against this, we can boot and get a player that debuffs, heals, and does competent dps. A good pure int mage can do all 3 with relative ease. What would you rather have in your party?

They would have preffered a pro char with 500million kills an 1 deaths BUT they didn't get it, instead they got a leech.. however they did NOT complain about it, they were happy to help.

Would you prefer a Rolls Royce or a matchbox car if it was abesolutely free?
Rolls royce right? well would you be complaining and argueing if you got the matchbox instead?

[JaytB]

So he gained xp ... by not killing anything. Apparently that's levelling and doing it yourself.



There are several things. First we don't know whether or not your teammates would have preferred a player that actually attacked and got kills versus a player that just passively sits there and collected xp. Second, if you're going to preserve that 0 death, you're going have to be the kind that's going to bail to preserve your 0 death ratio if you have the slightest indication that things are going to go wrong. If you truly disclosed the implications of what you are saying, I wonder how the people that you run with would have felt.





You have no idea how painful it was for me to read that. How the mighty have fallen. From a game where people in early 2010 where everyone did the best to learn their class and pull their weight in dungeons as best they could to ... this. Celebrating the fact that you can be carried without protest as the "greatest" achievement of PL.





Edit:
Let's think about what we are talking about. We have a player that can spam weakness, nightmare, and perhaps a few heals along the way. Against this, we can boot and get a player that debuffs, heals, and does competent dps. A good pure int mage can do all 3 with relative ease. What would you rather have in your party?

Personally, I think you take things way to serious. If you encounter a leecher in this game and you have a problem with it, there are plenty of options to avoid this... Boot, join another room or make a PW protected game. Simple right?

I don't think it's up to you or anyone else to decide on how someone enjoys playing the game. And, unless you tried making a 0/0 k/d yourself, you have no clue how hard it really is.

Does that mean I support leeching? On the contrary, I simply boot leechers. But if someone makes it to 71 without any kills or deaths, I know that this person had to either run with friends or people too gullible to even realize there was a leecher in their group.

Either way, the player seems to be proud of his achievement and had fun doing it. Not everyone enjoys playing the game in the same way, and I simply respect that. Why? Because it's just a game that's supposed to be fun and I won't try and enforce anyone to play the game as I think it should be played.

[小孩子]

This thread was made by Jjangmh simply to show off his acomplishment and hard works so let's try to be nice and stay on topic shall we?

Cogratulations Jjangmh very nicely done!:applause:

[vampinoy]

This thread makes me want to post my toon with 1,000,000 kills and zero death in PVP...and ya'll should just congratulate me with my hardwork because it's hard to find players who will agree to be killed repeatedly by me without fighting back...OK they're allowed to debuff me that's it...one auto-attack and I deleted them in my friends list...boot.

All the players agreed to be killed by me so no harm done really, most of them are my guildies and friends who helped me reach my greatest goal ever, but when I can't find anyone to agree to be killed by me, I'll simply log-on a different device using a different account so I can kill that dummy account repeatedly. By the way, until you try making a 1,000,000kill and 0death record in PVP you wouldn't know how hard it is to achieve it...

I enjoy this kind of gaming and proud of it so I'm impervious to your negative comments if you're planning to criticize me...so *facepalm*

PS: I'm not teaching anyone how to farm PVP kills with no deaths...I'm just saying I farmed mine by looking for players that will let me kill them or get another device so I can kill a dummy account toon, that's different.......*shifty eyes* that's different because I did it with friends and they were more than welcome to volunteer to be killed by me *more shifty eyes* I used a different device? *much more shifty eyes* but we had fun? *much more shifty eyes*.....I'm certainly not telling people how to do what I did...

[小孩子]

Vampinoy? *Shifty eyes....*

[vampinoy]

haha XD

[Floating]

Hahaha that means u need a lot of friends to run with u :) gj!!!

[Frealaf]

This thread makes me want to post my toon with 1,000,000 kills and zero death in PVP...and ya'll should just congratulate me with my hardwork because it's hard to find players who will agree to be killed repeatedly by me without fighting back...OK they're allowed to debuff me that's it...one auto-attack and I deleted them in my friends list...boot.

All the players agreed to be killed by me so no harm done really, most of them are my guildies and friends who helped me reach my greatest goal ever, but when I can't find anyone to agree to be killed by me, I'll simply log-on a different device using a different account so I can kill that dummy account repeatedly. By the way, until you try making a 1,000,000kill and 0death record in PVP you wouldn't know how hard it is to achieve it...

I enjoy this kind of gaming and proud of it so I'm impervious to your negative comments if you're planning to criticize me...so *facepalm*

PS: I'm not teaching anyone how to farm PVP kills with no deaths...I'm just saying I farmed mine by looking for players that will let me kill them or get another device so I can kill a dummy account toon, that's different.......*shifty eyes* that's different because I did it with friends and they were more than welcome to volunteer to be killed by me *more shifty eyes* I used a different device? *much more shifty eyes* but we had fun? *much more shifty eyes*.....I'm certainly not telling people how to do what I did...

Despite the sarcasm this post sums up the achievement of the OP

[Sim Jing]

Despite the sarcasm this post sums up the achievement of the OP

Indeed. Too bad others are too ignorant to even understand what they are applauding to.

[Suentous PO]

Imagine if someone told a joke on the forums, you personally didnt find funny, others did. Do you write several posts saying its unfunny for the following reasons,or do you move on and let those having fun do just that.
I'm always happy to run into Jjangmh in a pug because he already knows what he's doing a does it well, and is one of the nicest people I have met.

[Silverpegasus]

This makes me really want to comment... I met a warrior leecher in many south point village runs recently. Named playfulstyle. At first i thought he was lagging, as he always stood a safe distance away and moved only when mobs dead. And he. Sood there even when everyone died. And the second time i saw him, it was still the same throughout the game. Then i told him to stop leeching, he replied "you jealous"? And thats all he repeatedly said. Well, i think i got so pissed off that i left immediately, so forgot to take ss, but if anyone ever saw that guy in game, you sure know what i'm talking about. So, those toons with 0 death, 0 kill is really nothing compared to this jerk.

Really, i hate these new "weird achievement", leaderboards list for highest k/d. Most kills, most deaths... And now having 0,0,0,0 or 1,1,1,1. If you are doing it with your own other toons or guildies, its ok, but to swarm PUGs, it just makes so many useless player in a co-operative game. Why dont you give leaderboard award to those mighty tankers that potted every milisecond. And bird that hold their dps like physiologic, and mage that heals and clears statuses. Isnt that co-operative game is all about?

The leaderboards have it all wrong. My, i think i might have got sidetracked, sorry jjangmh!
Btw, jjangmh is the coolest bird toon in game. Though he has lots of deaths, he is the only bird that ever keeps the aggro off me on vamp and in Duke Edward off me the entire time. And i get aggroed a lot even with all preventive measures lol.

I suggest for PL to get another metric for measuring leaderboard achievement?
1. Most damage taker (when you actually can level in that dungeon)
2. Most hp of allies healed (when you actually can level in dungeon)
3. Most damage dealed to enemies (excluding the use of elixir, and only when you can level in that dungeon)
4. The most mega combos dealed (when you can level in that dungeon)


That way we can actually motivate and award the true players in PL.

[jjangmh]

Five Many thanks for the article. I really love all people! I'm sorry, I did not speak English.

[jjangmh]

I used to be in the Marine Corps staff sergeant were I am not left good memories. Nice to meet foreign friends :)

[jjangmh]

Expression I do not know English, but I like all foreigners without prejudice. But I'm not gay absolute. XD

-i have avatar name
JJangmh 71bird
alwasymarine 71mage
tankermarine 71 warrior
agilemarine 70 bird
drunkenmarine 70 warrior
oncemarine 70 bird
valentineday 71 mage
and jangmyunghoon, jangwoojae and
halloweenday and .......... hhhh

[WhoIsThis]

I suggest for PL to get another metric for measuring leaderboard achievement?
1. Most damage taker (when you actually can level in that dungeon)
2. Most hp of allies healed (when you actually can level in dungeon)
3. Most damage dealed to enemies (excluding the use of elixir, and only when you can level in that dungeon)
4. The most mega combos dealed (when you can level in that dungeon)


That way we can actually motivate and award the true players in PL.

They're good ideas, but they would lead to "parsing" runs. Most consistent performance is more important.

[Suentous PO]

공유 해 주셔서 감사합니다
언젠가 게임에서 당신을 참조하십시오.
좋은 하루 되세요!
^.^

[小孩子]

Jj is one of those people that you really wouldn't mind meeting IRL and having a coffee with, nice to see you mate :)

[Zaonabiuibil]

I applaud you for this. The patience and key timing this takes, I cannot even comprehend. And he didn't leech geez, he leveled by playing with his other account, no harm done.

[Bebsi]

This makes me really want to comment... I met a warrior leecher in many south point village runs recently. Named playfulstyle. At first i thought he was lagging, as he always stood a safe distance away and moved only when mobs dead. And he. Sood there even when everyone died. And the second time i saw him, it was still the same throughout the game. Then i told him to stop leeching, he replied "you jealous"? And thats all he repeatedly said. Well, i think i got so pissed off that i left immediately, so forgot to take ss, but if anyone ever saw that guy in game, you sure know what i'm talking about. So, those toons with 0 death, 0 kill is really nothing compared to this jerk.

Really, i hate these new "weird achievement", leaderboards list for highest k/d. Most kills, most deaths... And now having 0,0,0,0 or 1,1,1,1. If you are doing it with your own other toons or guildies, its ok, but to swarm PUGs, it just makes so many useless player in a co-operative game. Why dont you give leaderboard award to those mighty tankers that potted every milisecond. And bird that hold their dps like physiologic, and mage that heals and clears statuses. Isnt that co-operative game is all about?

The leaderboards have it all wrong. My, i think i might have got sidetracked, sorry jjangmh!
Btw, jjangmh is the coolest bird toon in game. Though he has lots of deaths, he is the only bird that ever keeps the aggro off me on vamp and in Duke Edward off me the entire time. And i get aggroed a lot even with all preventive measures lol.

I suggest for PL to get another metric for measuring leaderboard achievement?
1. Most damage taker (when you actually can level in that dungeon)
2. Most hp of allies healed (when you actually can level in dungeon)
3. Most damage dealed to enemies (excluding the use of elixir, and only when you can level in that dungeon)
4. The most mega combos dealed (when you can level in that dungeon)


That way we can actually motivate and award the true players in PL.


Lol, u ran with me when that guy joined xD
U kept texting me to boot him for leeching.
Sry 'bout that bro, but sometimes I can't bring myself to boot ppl...
U shouldn't be let them ruin ur fun ^_^

[Edinou]

Good leech