Inherent issues with AL for New Players

[Ploid]

No one likes farming with players using mythic set, but Kraken Set is too expensive for new players.

Too expensive? I mean almost impossible to achieve. Just a Gun + Armor is 140m.

Only Elite Portal bosses at the moment drop gold worth counting. And no one wants to make a party with mythic set users.

This has developed a toxic culture when running randoms, players with Kraken set will often leave or trash talk/mock the mythic set.

It saddens me that Devs had such a good opportunity to fix this issue via labyrinth but chose not to.

First ever labyrinth decreased the price of the best gears (mythic set) down to just 10m for a set because it was for 3 weeks I think? , it was 100m+ prior. This labyrinth could have had the same effect. Besides, 81 arcanes are gonna be out-dated soon.

Even if they didn't want to over-saturate arcanes in the market, Mythics are nearly useless. Waiting for mythic weapons to proc is just not the meta anymore, Devs need to adjust accordingly.

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[xbell]

Arcanes and mythic is just different so they didn't increase the chance to drop it. It is easy to get starting gears(mythic set and gl gears is cheap) but the hard things is working on kraken gears and where to farm(ideal is the 4 elite campaign maps). The used of your gold now is not equivalent to the gold year ago because of inflation.

Lvl81 Mythic is 2 years old, it was used and it is for normal zodias. They released arcane gears to used it on elite portal maps but the new things like flawless jewels and bracelet broke the elite maps that players is too op for that maps. So they buffed portal maps, it make mythic set nearly useless.

And also other kraken gears is still not a year aside from kraken armor.

[Ploid]

Arcanes and mythic is just different so they didn't increase the chance to drop it. It is easy to get starting gears(mythic set and gl gears is cheap) but the hard things is working on kraken gears and where to farm(ideal is the 4 elite campaign maps). The used of your gold now is not equivalent to the gold year ago because of inflation.

Lvl81 Mythic is 2 years old, it was used and it is for normal zodias. They released arcane gears to used it on elite portal maps but the new things like flawless jewels and bracelet broke the elite maps that players is too op for that maps. So they buffed portal maps, it make mythic set nearly useless.

And also other kraken gears is still not a year aside from kraken armor.And that's the problem with AL. Mythic set users can't earn gold to buy Kraken.

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[Zejun0921]

And that's the problem with AL. Mythic set users can't earn gold to buy Kraken.

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Isn’t it very obvious. Dev wants you to spend real money by spending on plats to buy kits sell for gold :P


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[xbell]

And that's the problem with AL. Mythic set users can't earn gold to buy Kraken.

Sent from my Pixel 7a using TapatalkThey can earn but it is long time grind like any game when you are just starting.
The bad loot chance in locked chest and the inflation makes the access of kraken is hard now.

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[Immortal_Blood]

yeah its a problem my advice is to run events to not get bored

Labyrinth event was ok for me because luckily i have 50 crafting slots, so i made 50 of those massive crates.. i could probably get a few mil for those

for me farming for kraken/best gear in vanilla al is not optional

most of the content before zodias might as well be deleted, but some options i like//enjoy are:

elite cryogem mines - i clear the entire zone, after killing boss run the other path
elite cryostar - despite the removal of elite gold puzzlebox etc, cryostar crates can still be looted, pretty good zone
planar tombs - pretty good loot from vendor, and can gather a few energy during events, run map 2 for more energy, map 3 for more fragments

and that's it, unfortunately, most of the game appears to have been obliterated.

orrick - one of my favourites, but unfortunately now there's so many ebon armors that orrick isn't really optional
planar arena - vials have been nerfed?? so they can no longer be used to craft nekro?
zodias - difficulty to reward ratio is bad, monotonous, i prefer the much easier less gold per hour areas.
elder woods - very hard/impossible/slow
mausoleum 3+ - ok loot but at level 86 this place is disgusting, dungeon level 85, so what's happened is, the game got harder but I'm stuck with the same stuff i had when level 81 was the max level.

[Adf]

Plus they added 300 pull reward in locked crates from stores that are very bad. You don t loot anything, if you open crates until you reach 300 pulls. 2 years ago you could get arcane without do 300 pulls from crates. And the drop rate is based of high stats of players. Like if x player has kraken gear and 3k stats, he get better chance loot something good, besides those with low stats.

[Switchback]

Plus they added 300 pull reward in locked crates from stores that are very bad. You don t loot anything, if you open crates until you reach 300 pulls. 2 years ago you could get arcane without do 300 pulls from crates. And the drop rate is based of high stats of players. Like if x player has kraken gear and 3k stats, he get better chance loot something good, besides those with low stats.

You are out of your mind. Im convinced you have no idea what you go on about.

[Immortal_Blood]

its a funny opinion

[Adf]

You are out of your mind. Im convinced you have no idea what you go on about.

I m very sure of what i m saying. In the catacombs and lab, and many others event, to loot something from boss you need high stats, and the last gear. And if you open lockeds, you don t get arcane, until you do 300 pulls.

[QuaseT]

I m very sure of what i m saying. In the catacombs and lab, and many others event, to loot something from boss you need high stats, and the last gear. And if you open lockeds, you don t get arcane, until you do 300 pulls.Drops of lockeds and maps are random and nothing more.

[Adf]

Drops of lockeds and maps are random and nothing more.

Did you loot arcane items from lockeds, within 300 pulls ? They just increase drop rate of arcanes in first one-two hours, maybe a day, and after get nerfed. This thing is old, and they don t fix it. They could add real drop rate, like you open this number of times, you get this, you open this you get this etc.

[Stephencobear]

Plus they added 300 pull reward in locked crates from stores that are very bad. You don t loot anything, if you open crates until you reach 300 pulls. 2 years ago you could get arcane without do 300 pulls from crates. And the drop rate is based of high stats of players. Like if x player has kraken gear and 3k stats, he get better chance loot something good, besides those with low stats.
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[QuaseT]

Did you loot arcane items from lockeds, within 300 pulls ? They just increase drop rate of arcanes in first one-two hours, maybe a day, and after get nerfed. This thing is old, and they don t fix it. They could add real drop rate, like you open this number of times, you get this, you open this you get this etc.No I didnt even open lockeds. And that sounds boring to me if we get everything for fixed prices. Also I personally dont think its hard to make enough gold as a new player to buy a kraken weapon or armor since their release.

I have to disagree with OP here. A light and static drop in price is much more healthy than dropping all krakens to 10m in catacombs. It should happen over time when new gear is being released.

[xbell]

This Adf guy is an idiot.
He is jealous and want everything easy.
He is expecting to get exactly what lb players(did put time and hardwork) vs to him playing this game 1-2 hours.

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[Adf]

This Adf guy is an idiot.
He is jealous and want everything easy.
He is expecting to get exactly what lb players(did put time and hardwork) vs to him playing this game 1-2 hours.

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I m not an idiot, you are for sure. Does telling the truth hurts you? This is the way many of lb players get rich, without doing anything, rhey don t even farm in this game.

[QuaseT]

I m not an idiot, you are for sure. Does telling the truth hurts you? This is the way many of lb players get rich, without doing anything, rhey don t even farm in this game.Have you ever thought that conspiracy theories are blocking your progress?

[xbell]

I m not an idiot, you are for sure. Does telling the truth hurts you? This is the way many of lb players get rich, without doing anything, rhey don t even farm in this game."they dont even farm in this game"
They are not farming gold because they didn't need it or they are just bored of that map. I know some people still farming gold in maps.
You know nothing how much they put time and hardwork on lb. You can do lb just play all day to farm energy and run the event maps. Or just buy energy kits and play like maybe 8hrs+ per day for a whole week. And finally you will able to sell that lb items and get a gears so you will not complain anymore or maybe not because you just want it easy, just spend money it will be easy.

[Adf]

"they dont even farm in this game"
They are not farming gold because they don't need it or they are just bored of that map.
You know nothing how much they put time and hardwork on lb.
You can do lb just play all day to farm energy and run the event maps. Or just buy energy kits and play like maybe 8hrs+ per day for a whole week.

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Not players that run event lbs, omg. That players do hard work. I m telling about those who run normal lb in maps. Their stats are way to op for the way we can farm the gold in this game, their income in based on the drop in the game and the way they get high stats on items, selling for absurd prices.

[xbell]

Not players that run event lbs, omg. That players do hard work. I m telling about those who run normal lb in maps. Their stats are way to op for the way we can farm the gold in this game, their income in based on the drop in the game and the way they get high stats on items, selling for absurd prices.What is wrong with you, they are getting what they deserve, they work hard for their gears.
And how many times I'm gonna say this to you.
They are getting it because they run many times more than you and not all people like you(lazy/dont have time) have a patience to run many times how we do. So don't expect to get what we got.
How many points did you get last catacombs?
How many points in labyrinth?

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[Adf]

What is wrong with you, they are getting what they deserve, they work hard for their gears.
And how many times I'm gonna say this to you.
They are getting it because they run many times more than you and not all people like you(lazy/dont have time) have a patience to run many times how we do. So don't expect to get what we got.
How many points did you get last catacombs?
How many points in labyrinth?

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300k points in catacombs and around 700k in lab, so don t matter if you do many runs. It matters your gear and the damage you deal to boss in short time.

[Immortal_Blood]

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[xbell]

300k points in catacombs and around 700k in lab, so don t matter if you do many runs. It matters your gear and the damage you deal to boss in short time.[emoji38][emoji38]
@asommers
@Cinco

[Ploid]

No I didnt even open lockeds. And that sounds boring to me if we get everything for fixed prices. Also I personally dont think its hard to make enough gold as a new player to buy a kraken weapon or armor since their release.

I have to disagree with OP here. A light and static drop in price is much more healthy than dropping all krakens to 10m in catacombs. It should happen over time when new gear is being released.The issue here is that events don't make players much gold unless the event has a super rare item and you are EXTREMELY lucky.

I ran 2021 top 25 halloween and winter lb, selling everything I farmed. I barely made 20m I think? As someone who did over 6k runs. Idk, maybe it's different now? Haven't run events lb in a while.

Mythic set can't even tickle bosses and Arcane set is too expensive. Players without Arcane set are in a very awkward spot!

Perhaps it'd be better to add more power to mythics. I have been running elite ekenta with randoms lately, Mythic Set users might as well be invisible, the damage is nearly non-existant.

Or atleast having a different map for new players to farm that drops decent gold for them which can be used to farm towards arcane would be nice. Recent nerfs to normal version of the maps have pushed everyone to elite.

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[Adf]

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@asommers
@Cinco

So it is true? They increase drop rate in certain time, so those who work for devs to loot something and others who don t how this thing work, they spent time and money trying to get it? It is right? Every time when i see an event i see player who try manipulate others, to play it harder.

[Skeleton Mike]

No one likes farming with players using mythic set, but Kraken Set is too expensive for new players.

Too expensive? I mean almost impossible to achieve. Just a Gun + Armor is 140m.

Only Elite Portal bosses at the moment drop gold worth counting. And no one wants to make a party with mythic set users.

This has developed a toxic culture when running randoms, players with Kraken set will often leave or trash talk/mock the mythic set.

It saddens me that Devs had such a good opportunity to fix this issue via labyrinth but chose not to.

First ever labyrinth decreased the price of the best gears (mythic set) down to just 10m for a set because it was for 3 weeks I think? , it was 100m+ prior. This labyrinth could have had the same effect. Besides, 81 arcanes are gonna be out-dated soon.

Even if they didn't want to over-saturate arcanes in the market, Mythics are nearly useless. Waiting for mythic weapons to proc is just not the meta anymore, Devs need to adjust accordingly.

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You can kinda foresee that this problem is only going to be aggravated when Zodias gets a gold nerf in benefit of the new expansion's gold farming spots.

Either kraken arcanes or new 86 mythics needs to be easily accessible for players to do Elder wood content.
If so I hope it is through crafting, fair for everyone.

[Lim Weibin]

This is the way many of lb players get rich, without doing anything, rhey don t even farm in this game.

There is no way you just said that.

[DerpySeal]

There is no way you just said that.

Eh just leave it be, antagonizing delusion never did anyone good


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[Aayushh007]

Game is P2W for new players.
End of debate

[Trolzerkeinstein]

Game is P2W for new players.
End of debate

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[Mareyo]

As a player that started in 2015 it took me years of farming major events elite chests jewels to get kraken gear people need to just stop complaining and play the dam game respectfully.

[ForumJunkie]

As a player that started in 2015 it took me years of farming major events elite chests jewels to get kraken gear people need to just stop complaining and play the dam game respectfully.

Respectfully, 2015 AL is a different game compared to now.

[Mareyo]

It took me dam near 7 years to be able to afford a full meta set is the point not the state of the game.

[Ploid]

As a player that started in 2015 it took me years of farming major events elite chests jewels to get kraken gear people need to just stop complaining and play the dam game respectfully.It's not about me, when I came back to the game, I had a lot of vanities which I sold and got my gears.

It would be impossible for me to farm gold if I didn't already have the vanities I sold.

The point is that no one wants to play with mythic set users, and mythic set does nothing in maps that drop good gold.

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[Mareyo]

No one wanted to play with a taint set user back then either there is way to get gold that isn’t gold loot is what I’m trying to say bet u people didn’t sell candy bars at the start of this event either

[Ploid]

No one wanted to play with a taint set user back then either there is way to get gold that isn’t gold loot is what I’m trying to say bet u people didn’t sell candy bars at the start of this event eitherNot really, i remember playing with taint set 3 years ago. Back then Arcane Staff was 18m.

Playing few events, getting carried in Deep Marsh a little and you could afford Skratch Staff. Ebon Armor was 15m-ish too.

Now Krak Armor is 90m still and Weapons are 50m+

Sew the difference? Lol.



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[Mareyo]

Were you a new player that had no connections when you used taint I can assure you no one wanted a taint user because everyone was proc stacking there is also so much more gold in the game now ofc things will be more expensive.

[Ploid]

Were you a new player that had no connections when you used taint I can assure you no one wanted a taint user because everyone was proc stacking there is also so much more gold in the game now ofc things will be more expensive.Yes, new player with no connections.

Exactly, items are expensive but no real way for players to earn that much gold and keep up with inflation. They earn next to nothing.

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[Immortal_Blood]

please review my new idea, I'm certain it will fix this issue with kraken users not wanting to play with mythic.

https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?716980-players-leaving-(antisocial-elixir)

[Ploid]

please review my new idea, I'm certain it will fix this issue with kraken users not wanting to play with mythic.

https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?716980-players-leaving-(antisocial-elixir)It won't, they will rather form parties, Mythic set users will have to play alone or together taking 1 hour to kill erahab.

How will they ever afford Kraken at that rate?

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[Mareyo]

We had completely different experiences with taint set all im trynna say is people shouldn’t get mad they can’t beat end game content without end game gear. Now they have to wait for the marvelous event the one in arena for prices to drop like we did back then with ebon and dug or u can sell kraken cheaper for people.

[Immortal_Blood]

It won't, they will rather form parties, Mythic set users will have to play alone or together taking 1 hour to kill erahab.

How will they ever afford Kraken at that rate?

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but what about the 50% stacking damage? it's huge

[Immortal_Blood]

We had completely different experiences with taint set all im trynna say is people shouldn’t get mad they can’t beat end game content without end game gear. Now they have to wait for the marvelous event the one in arena for prices to drop like we did back then with ebon and dug or u can sell kraken cheaper for people.

The problem exists from not beating it FAST, most people without kraken can beat elite rahabkor for example, just not as fast as people want, so players leave because the boss isn't instantly dead.

[2021thalissa]

Kinda off topic but this Halloween event looks like something else. When I came online to see what it was about, I kinda got frustrated. The vanities aren’t even Halloween related other than the eyeball weapons but I will say mage eyeball vanity looks better. But I don’t think I’ll be participating in this event, I’d be putting in work for little rewards. Bring Medusa back or invest in making warriors a boogie vanity, mage a goblin vanity with goblin jet pack that flys and rogue vanity that’s a floating girl ghost. But instead we got jurassic Park lol. I’ll come back online to see what Christmas has. This Halloween vanity was a disappointment, I was looking forwards to something more scary.


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[karossss]

im so bored with all that mythic set bs. People had 3 months to get free krak set. If they didnt thats their problem.

[Justanutt]

No matter what your opinion is here, drop rates in lock chest are awful. That isn’t an opinion. That is a FACT! 😅 I get butt-hurt for every $20 of boxes I open. I think sir spends alot odds are better than ALL the locked boxes I get… thanks alot sts

[Ploid]

im so bored with all that mythic set bs. People had 3 months to get free krak set. If they didnt thats their problem.Except you needed arcanes to farm there, lol.

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[karossss]

Except you needed arcanes to farm there, lol.

Sent from my Pixel 7a using TapatalkU didnt a lot of people was running randoms with arcanes u just had to be carried

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[Stephencobear]

U didnt a lot of people was running randoms with arcanes u just had to be carried

Uh, so it’s their fault they weren’t carried by someone else? O.o

[Amicusdei]

Except you needed arcanes to farm there, lol.

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Farm quickly, yes.
You can't clear whole sections solo without kraken.
Zaarus party with good tactics would have done fine.
Based on the traps and debuffs, I would say this was the intent.

[Americanarmy]

The issue here is that events don't make players much gold unless the event has a super rare item and you are EXTREMELY lucky.

I ran 2021 top 25 halloween and winter lb, selling everything I farmed. I barely made 20m I think? As someone who did over 6k runs. Idk, maybe it's different now? Haven't run events lb in a while.

Mythic set can't even tickle bosses and Arcane set is too expensive. Players without Arcane set are in a very awkward spot!

Perhaps it'd be better to add more power to mythics. I have been running elite ekenta with randoms lately, Mythic Set users might as well be invisible, the damage is nearly non-existant.

Or atleast having a different map for new players to farm that drops decent gold for them which can be used to farm towards arcane would be nice. Recent nerfs to normal version of the maps have pushed everyone to elite.

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So true i dont understand why lvl 1-50 maps have extremely bad gold drop, in return all that causes is dead zones I remeber back in 2015-2017 when thoses zones were super active like whole map was alive now i go visit those maps and its all dead and crap gold ranging from 1-20g like wth is even that atleast increase gold from that amount to 1-5k per map when u complete the whole map that way beginner might probably be able to afforrd better gears not saying arc mythic but some legend gears