Item Packs - Me Mad

[dudetus]

First of all, thank you STS for offering us item packs as we asked for them. I appreciate it rly much that u guys heard what we want and offered us it.

Then to the rant.

Yayyyy item packs!! Woohooo! I CAN FINALLY GET MY "EXCLUSIVE" VANITIES WHICH WERE POSSIBLE TO GET FROM LAST HALLOWEEN EVENT!!

Bull****

The main reason why I am so mad atm is that Zombie Head is my absolute favorite vanity helm, mostly because I love the derpiness of it as it resembles my intbirds smartness. The other reason I love(d) it was because it was exclusive. All of the last year's item packs were so popular for two reasons: 1. They were new fancy vanities and 2. They were exclusive. I bought all 2011 Halloween and Xmas vanities from packs (except devil horns and gingerbread man pet) mainly because they were exclusive. I never wear those vanities (except Zombie Head ofc) but I still collected them. I like to know that I have them to proof myself and others that I have been here.

This all sounds egoistic and I recognize that. But what else are vanities for (especially elite vanities nowadays) than to prance around? Vanities, especially the event vanities, are our signs that "we have been here, u haven't".

Once again, ty for listening to us but don't bring the old vanities back. That'll piss off many egoistic long-term players as myself.

/endrant


Edit: I wouldn't be this mad unless u didn't put randomly selected last year's item pack items to new packs. Where is the consistency? By this way there is no more reasoning than to blame laziness. There's no way reasoning as u still kept some Halloween items exclusive and some not.

Edit2: Not to mention the fact that the current plat packs are 5 plat cheaper than the 2011 ones. Same items for lower price? The vanities like Big Luck and Snowman Helm were at least more expensive to get as DoTs later on than they were during the actual events..

[MightyMicah]

Not to be Johnny rain cloud but I couldn't disagree more. Last year I agreed with you 100%. Then I realized that the devs said nothing will be "exclusive." I agree with the devs. As I stated in a different thread, go play games like Guild Wars 2. They literally have nothing that you keep year round. You basically get the vanity costumes and then they go away. It made me realize that identity is not found in the rarity of your items. Take my friend Jcoultet for instance. His "trademark" was his green Viking helm. My friend Katahra's trademark was the black Viking helm. Many have them, but no one rocks them quite like them.

Btw, this is coming from a guy who was so caught up in his snowman helm until sts released in the dotd. I was upset at first, but then I realized there's nothing to be upset about. This year I wouldn't be surprised if the snowman hat gets released again. Guess what? I'll still be rocking it like a baws!

[Lowlyspy]

Yea, kinda sucks. At least my Super Traffic Cone...i mean 2011 Witch Hat is still exclusive =3

[dudetus]

Not to be Johnny rain cloud but I couldn't disagree more. Last year I agreed with you 100%. Then I realized that the devs said nothing will be "exclusive." I agree with the devs. As I stated in a different thread, go play games like Guild Wars 2. They literally have nothing that you keep year round. You basically get the vanity costumes and then they go away. It made me realize that identity is not found in the rarity of your items. Take my friend Jcoultet for instance. His "trademark" was his green Viking helm. My friend Katahra's trademark was the black Viking helm. Many have them, but no one rocks them quite like them.

Btw, this is coming from a guy who was so caught up in his snowman helm until sts released in the dotd. I was upset at first, but then I realized there's nothing to be upset about. This year I wouldn't be surprised if the snowman hat gets released again. Guess what? I'll still be rocking it like a baws!

I wouldn't be this upset if every single Halloween item which was during 2011 event was brought back, but it is "roll a dice" mentality. Where is witch hat 2011, pumpkin helms 2010 and 2011? Why to keep few items exclusive and some not?

[MightyMicah]

I wouldn't be this upset if every single Halloween item which was during 2011 event was brought back, but it is "roll a dice" mentality. Where is witch hat 2011, pumpkin helms 2010 and 2011? Why to keep few items exclusive and some not?

With that mentality, I couldn't agree with you more! My guess is, they (the devs) know alot of people (significant people) will be so upset that they will lose sales due to quitting. I don't blame them for that either. It's like I said in a different thread, as long as they establish consistency, I'm cool with it. But they need to establish it and establish it fast.

[Pakax]

I think i understand both points of views and to be honest, there is an easy answer: change the gear. Can be color or can be shape. Take the easter rabbit ears for example. Old ones are straight and now more expensive coz they are less of them. Creates more stuff in game etc. the question of exclusivity is tricky but i would lean towards creating exclusive items if i had a choice (also replicating them in a different way). People like to be different, special, thats another thing that keeps us playing. I call it pixel fame but nobody can deny it is important and i assume part of STS customer acquisition and retention strategy.

So by changing gear you: [love boat music in the background]

1) help develop merching.
2) keep dudetus (and me and many others) happy in the knowledge they have something 'exclusive'.
3) Keep newer players happy because they can get their hands in similar cool looking stuff.
4) minimise tech/design work for sts.

makes sense no?

[Pakax]

As for the question of consistency, well, they need to get their acts together, between glyph 56 an drags, i know a lot of peeps (including myself) who are really annoyed at unannounced changes in game strategy.

[McBain]

Exclusive shmex-shmusive

[Heroelite]

You might as well bring back the founder's helm too.

[Walkhardd]

Gotta say , I agree with the dude. I bought 8 packs till I got a 2012 item. A lootable towel. Everything else I had already.

[Zapoke]

Gotta say , I agree with the dude. I bought 8 packs till I got a 2012 item. A lootable towel. Everything else I had already.

I got a skelly shield on the 3rd try.. Looks super weird on mages. O-o

[dudetus]

I think i understand both points of views and to be honest, there is an easy answer: change the gear. Can be color or can be shape. Take the easter rabbit ears for example. Old ones are straight and now more expensive coz they are less of them. Creates more stuff in game etc. the question of exclusivity is tricky but i would lean towards creating exclusive items if i had a choice (also replicating them in a different way). People like to be different, special, thats another thing that keeps us playing. I call it pixel fame but nobody can deny it is important and i assume part of STS customer acquisition and retention strategy.

So by changing gear you: [love boat music in the background]

1) help develop merching.
2) keep dudetus (and me and many others) happy in the knowledge they have something 'exclusive'.
3) Keep newer players happy because they can get their hands in similar cool looking stuff.
4) minimise tech/design work for sts.

makes sense no?

Exactly. Well put my friend.

[Pakax]

You might as well bring back the founder's helm too.

If you read my previous post in between the lines, you'd realise that i am not entirely against that. They could have a long lasting player helm for peeps who have been playing 2 years or something. Same stats as founders, same shape, but maybe pink instead of purple-ish.
That would make perfectly sense.

Ps: no rage please! :-)

[Kaiserwarrior]

I payed last year 20 Platin per item pack and now its 15 Platin and the chance to get every item from it are WAY better then the Chances from 2011.I bought last year 7 item packs and got 2/5 items.This year i bought 9 and got 8/8.The brought EVERY rare Event item that i got back...the whole Christmas items from 2010 and now the Halloween items from 2011.Really?!Almost all items are back but not the Pumpkin Head from 2010.And this is fair???Think about it...

[Elyseon]

Yeh I love how they screw over the vets who payed 5 plat more per pack
Then add insult to injury by having the same vanities(minus the glowing safety cone)

[Suentous PO]

Im annoyed also. Im all for "consistancy" if thats what they were doing, but the're not. some things are not availiable ( orange witch hat, the first pumpkin helm, devils fork), thats odd.
I necroed the year old thread of last years haloween to show anyone who forgot, that ppl were threatening to quit about the first pumpkin helm, the old time players were saying a year ago, "we want excusive items" and sts listened, at least by changing it up. This year nothing was changed in the least. Seems even odder when the say about the dragon vanities- "We dont want everyone to look alike", but then make more people look like me last year, well , that was before i took off my zombie mask for the first time in one year.

the "nothing will be exclusive" phrase would be great if it were true, but they make exclusive human faces, and exclusive items like the plat egg.
they didnt stick to the "nothing will be exlusive" idea.

[nmyxspaceship]

Stop being selfish. I have every single 2010 wf pack item. Almost every single one of those items was brought back. I was kinda disappointed but me and others didn't make 5+ threads raging about it. Time to get over it. Eventually it will be exclusive as I highly doubt they will bring them back 3 years in a row but hey it wouldn't bother me if they did.

Thanks.

[Kaiserwarrior]

Elyseon: Its not just the plat...its the whole Story(I know that you have enough so you dont care).

[Suentous PO]

Stop being selfish. I have every single 2010 wf pack item. Almost every single one of those items was brought back. I was kinda disappointed but me and others didn't make 5+ threads raging about it. Time to get over it. Eventually it will be exclusive as I highly doubt they will bring them back 3 years in a row but hey it wouldn't bother me if they did.

Thanks.
sheesh, this is soo far from rage it might as well be hugging you. it wouldent be selfish if they had changed anything up, everyone would get what they wanted. thats what im sugesting. nothing wrong with us having a possibly unpopular opinion, just as theres nothing wrong with you telling me to, what was that, " oh get over it." Its been a whole day, but my butt takes longer to heal :)
anyway i thought i made some valid points that no one has a logical rebuttal to.

[dudetus]

Stop being selfish. I have every single 2010 wf pack item. Almost every single one of those items was brought back. I was kinda disappointed but me and others didn't make 5+ threads raging about it. Time to get over it. Eventually it will be exclusive as I highly doubt they will bring them back 3 years in a row but hey it wouldn't bother me if they did.

Thanks.

Raging to a "ragethread" is considered to be a straightening? I do admit that my opinion is a bit biased as I approach the subject with my Zombie Head madness but as Sue said, there have been made valid points throughout this thread.

Donate me a life since u obviously don't think I have one.

[Sciazaratek]

It made me realize that identity is not found in the rarity of your items. Take my friend Jcoultet for instance. His "trademark" was his green Viking helm. My friend Katahra's trademark was the black Viking helm. Many have them, but no one rocks them quite like them.

Btw, this is coming from a guy who was so caught up in his snowman helm until sts released in the dotd. I was upset at first, but then I realized there's nothing to be upset about. This year I wouldn't be surprised if the snowman hat gets released again. Guess what? I'll still be rocking it like a baws!


Right ! Thats what i say : Just don't go with the mainstream , don't mind what others wear , you're cool when you have own ideas of looks

[Walkhardd]

Stop being selfish. I have every single 2010 wf pack item. Almost every single one of those items was brought back. I was kinda disappointed but me and others didn't make 5+ threads raging about it. Time to get over it. Eventually it will be exclusive as I highly doubt they will bring them back 3 years in a row but hey it wouldn't bother me if they did.

Thanks.

You admitted you were disappointed when they brought back Wf items. Exact same thing here.

Sts wants to please the masses. I'd bet more ppl are happy with a shot at old vanities, than those of us who have them already.

One thing that makes no sense to me is making the EXACT same weapon with better stats. (Chunker)

[nmyxspaceship]

Stop being selfish. I have every single 2010 wf pack item. Almost every single one of those items was brought back. I was kinda disappointed but me and others didn't make 5+ threads raging about it. Time to get over it. Eventually it will be exclusive as I highly doubt they will bring them back 3 years in a row but hey it wouldn't bother me if they did.

Thanks.

Raging to a "ragethread" is considered to be a straightening? I do admit that my opinion is a bit biased as I approach the subject with my Zombie Head madness but as Sue said, there have been made valid points throughout this thread.

Donate me a life since u obviously don't think I have one.

I appreciate the points you guys made.

I'm at fault as well.

But we should expect sts not do what they say sometimes and be able to deal with it when they don't.

[Snakespeare]

Here's the illogic of exclusive vanities... they take space. Every item that exists has some bandwidth associated. That's why they re-color things, too. So the more exclusive vanities there are, the bigger the app. With PL, it just keeps growing.

But there should be SOME exclusives. This year the exclusive 2012 vanities are the ones that say 2012 on them. I think there are three of them. They were put in as shields with levels, but these are vanities and we can keep using them even when we get to level 100. The ones that dropped will be mostly useless by next summer.

[Elyseon]

That's why they re-color things, too.
as i mentoned earlier they couldnt even make green witch hats
or release other item that are only seen on NPC's

[Nick41324]

sts does not understand the word "EXCLUSIVE". I had every vanity/item from last years halloween. Do i care? NOPE. why? because i was expecting this.

typical sts lol

[Lowlyspy]

sts does not understand the word "EXCLUSIVE". I had every vanity/item from last years halloween. Do i care? NOPE. why? because i was expecting this.

typical sts lol
We haven't seen the orange skull and bones shield, the original witch hat, or last year's witch hat. Still some exclusive stuff out there.

[Snakespeare]

I don't understand, guys. Please explain it to me. Aren't these items exclusive to this year?

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[Heroelite]

I don't understand, guys. Please explain it to me. Aren't these items exclusive to this year?

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So what? They made 3 items exclusive. What about the others from last year's halloween. Some people are saying the majority will be happy if old vanities are brought back. But what if other games did this.. like I used to play this game where there are a few items from the very first holidays that are now worth bils. I bet you 90% of the population wants these items to be brought back. But they also know this will ruin the game for the few that own them.

[javiemma]

I thought we were told that they were not gonna release item packs this year. Whos genious idea was to release them when we were told otherwise? Why mess with our unique vanitys which were such a pain in the wallet to obtain. They even included chunckers,brooms,.etc in the packs last year which made the vanitys harder to obtain. Imagine paying for a pack and recieving a chunker identical to the dropable one. Oh well, atleast i have my unique avengers set so i can actually look different than other ppl. Lets see if the genious brings it back just to make newer ppl happy. Screw us the veterans

[Lowlyspy]

So what? They made 3 items exclusive. What about the others from last year's halloween. Some people are saying the majority will be happy if old vanities are brought back. But what if other games did this.. like I used to play this game where there are a few items from the very first holidays that are now worth bils. I bet you 90% of the population wants these items to be brought back. But they also know this will ruin the game for the few that own them.

Ahem

We haven't seen the orange skull and bones shield, the original witch hat, or last year's witch hat. Still some exclusive stuff out there.
There's also the 2 pumpkin helms from last year and the original event, as well as the pitchfork from last year, and this year's demon helm will probably stay exclusive. If my math is right, that's more exclusive things than things that were brought back (other than the costumes, but those are halloweens shtick.)

[Patricks]

Exactly. I had to buy a bunch of packs and get a bunch of stupid brooms and chunkers to get my vanities last year, now everyone is a guaranteed these vanities with their packs this year.

[Snakespeare]

OK, then... please explain to me the thing I don't get. Which vanities from last year did you want to be exclusive? Some items did remain exclusive. Is it that you guessed wrongly which ones would be exclusive? I'm still not tracking... very sorry... but it still doesn't make sense to me. Not everything in the packs is exclusive.

[ninjaduck]

Make everything bloody exclusive. Even potions.

[Suentous PO]

OK, then... please explain to me the thing I don't get. Which vanities from last year did you want to be exclusive? Some items did remain exclusive. Is it that you guessed wrongly which ones would be exclusive? I'm still not tracking... very sorry... but it still doesn't make sense to me. Not everything in the packs is exclusive.
Well what I would have preferred would have been that they DID release all those old vanities (to please newbies) BUT have them re colored (to please vets). Heck even if they had an effect added that made them "cooler" I would still rock the old ones to show that I've been here a while.

[ninjaduck]

If this is justice, I'm a banana :banana:

[McBain]

sts does not understand the word "EXCLUSIVE".

That's fine, because they've never used that word. I only see the word exclusive being thrown around in these complaint threads. If you or anyone else assumed something would be "exclusive," you based that on made-up logic. Now, if STS had specifically said something would be exclusive and then re-released it, that would be one thing, but since that was never said, you have to assume that nothing is one-time-only.

[PvE]

Instead of zombie head should of done a skelly I mean common. But I only remembered ninja becauae of his fancy elite hat but now that everyone has it kinda takes away the coolness.

[Elyseon]

We haven't seen the orange skull and bones shield, the original witch hat, or last year's witch hat. Still some exclusive stuff out there.

to be fair the regular witch hat and the spooky shield werent part of the item pack that were rereleased
but so long as they dont rerelease them as DotD, I'll give them some credit

[Suentous PO]

That's fine, because they've never used that word. I only see the word exclusive being thrown around in these complaint threads. If you or anyone else assumed something would be "exclusive," you based that on made-up logic. Now, if STS had specifically said something would be exclusive and then re-released it, that would be one thing, but since that was never said, you have to assume that nothing is one-time-only.
Your right in that they didn't promise anything. However having been throught this before, sts made the 2010 helm exclusive after listening to our complaints. This year it's like they repeated a problem they should have been aware of. For me it wasn't made up logic, but my personal experience, and the precident of history.
I realize this seems like I'm hung up on it but I'm not. I would like sts to see their own illogic, being "we don't want ppl to look the same" and that they once made a better decision to remake things they re-released, and we were happy about that.

[vampinoy]

This is really not a surprise...rehashing of content has been one of this game's major turn offs from items, critters, to dungeon designs. The usual supporters would say, well it's a technical limitation...and my usual response is, they preferred launching other games than to fortify their existing one? That's such a turn off, simple logic, why should I invest on a game if the company itself is not willing to invest in it?

My reaction: "As expected". Can't teach old dogs, new tricks. :D Not hating, just saying. Aren't you getting tired of the same arguments? This happened already...:D Deja Vu, even the arguments are rehashed XD

[Yich]

I didn't take the time and spend the plat to get halloween vanities last year. I shouldn't be able to make up for that this year if they said I couldn't back then. I don't have a single 2011 H'ween vanity and I still think they shouldn't have re released the old ones...

[Dark Avenger]

I thought we were told that they were not gonna release item packs this year. Whos genious idea was to release them when we were told otherwise? Why mess with our unique vanitys which were such a pain in the wallet to obtain. They even included chunckers,brooms,.etc in the packs last year which made the vanitys harder to obtain. Imagine paying for a pack and recieving a chunker identical to the dropable one. Oh well, atleast i have my unique avengers set so i can actually look different than other ppl. Lets see if the genious brings it back just to make newer ppl happy. Screw us the veterans

Just wait till avengers 2 comes out ;) then you wont be special anymore

[Delphina]

Closing rant thread.