Feedback: Item Awakening Changes

[asommers]

Let us know what you think!

Preview thread can be found here (link (https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?746107)).

-ALS

[Emkai]

Good update my apologies for crying earlier XD

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[fiasatrio]

Too much numbers and words make me confused

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[AgentStonoga]

50% gold loot awak on accessories was always possible to be rolled with legendary (now epic) gems, but now it's not possible. Is that an intentional change or you did something wrong?

[Noonit]

hey, whats the point of non-stashable / non-tradeable gem kits if you're making them the same price as the stashable / tradeable kits?

making them a few plats cheaper would make a lot more sense.

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[Silver Haze]

40% plat sale would be nice, please :)

[recilencia123]

40% plat sale would be nice, please :)

yes plss


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[arigosmit]

So and what exactly are the chances to get an epic or legendary awakening roll with e.g. the red gem? Where can we see these odds? It’s nice to know that all options within a rarity are distributed equally but what are the percentages to roll a specific rarity now?

[Makingmofongoo]

So and what exactly are the chances to get an epic or legendary awakening roll with e.g. the red gem? Where can we see these odds? It’s nice to know that all options within a rarity are distributed equally but what are the percentages to roll a specific rarity now?

click the thread, then select web view there you go.

[Lazybears]

Agree. Like blue awake gem. 10k for non-tradeable/ 30k for tradeable

[Unazhaenf]

do 40%-60% plat sale and your sales will go brrr

[Zoee]

Yeah there is no price different between tradeable and non tradeable sadly

[zynkor]

pls let 10% speed (epic) :( as before, not legendary re consider mr asommer


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+1
Getting 10% speed was always possible with blue gems

[Americanarmy]

These seem useless. Not sure why would any1 use them. Especially if they don't unlock slots.


This is a good thing imo. Having to wait for months to awaken new gear didn't make much sense.


This is a great QoL improvement. Having to go through all that to find the gold gems was not user friendly at all and there was no logical reason for it to be that way.


Not sure about this. Doesn't seem right.
In the end if we want the same type of stat(for example main stat or movement speed) on an item it'll still be a pain and burn thousands of gems. Wonderful...

No auto-awakening system yet?
As we said before we're sick of having to spamm the awakening button for thousands of times hoping for multiple rolls of the same type of stat(and sometimes press too fast and reawaken a decent one).
Either make it easier for us to target a single type of stat(by locking slots and incresing the number of gems required to reawaken while slots are locked by a certain number like 3n where n is the number of locked slots)
or create an auto-awakening system that lets us choose the type of gems we want to use and some possible desired outputs:

for example if you set it to use elite gems
then choose the desired outputs:

gold loot > 120
boss damage > 20
crit damage > 10

then click start it would auto awaken the selected item until you run out of elite gems or one of the desired outputs is satisfied

Black Desert Mobile has something like this. And it's pretty handy considering the insanely low rates.

Sounds magnificent


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[Americanarmy]

-Arcane gem will cost 10plat while elite gem remain 5plat.
-so the different of arcane gem with elite gem is it only remove common enhancement rarity.
-all legendary enhancement rarity now will be available outside the event day. means we have a chance for 15% or 17% everytime we enhance.

* please we need 50%-60% plat discount to buy arcane gem and sold it after the event finish. :3
* dont cry whoever bought stack of elite gem because it still reroll legendary enhancement. :3

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I dont see point in arcane gem if it still has everything the red one has why not only put the last 2 highest tiers inside the arcane gem so that its worth buying instead of removing the common out of it


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[Makingmofongoo]

I dont see point in arcane gem if it still has everything the red one has why not only put the last 2 highest tiers inside the arcane gem so that its worth buying instead of removing the common out of it


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Up would be more practical and worth the gold to spend. Change it into epic and legendary tier

can you guys remove “common” & “rare” category
instead of just common tier. Its kinda just a copy and paste of elite gem :/

[Americanarmy]

Up would be more practical and worth the gold to spend. Change it into epic and legendary tier

can you guys remove “common” & “rare” category
instead of just common tier. Its kinda just a copy and paste of elite gem :/

Yep it’s supposed to be a special arc gem how is it going to have everything elite has lmaoo


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[Gwenchanaa]

Cinco can you remove common and rare type on new awake gem? kinda disappointing red and green almost same but 10 plat more

[caabarader]

Indeed, arcane gem seems not worth when compared to elite gem in terms of cost benefit

[Observing]

Make the arc gem better, give us 50% sale when event start, ty

[PatD]

Make the arc gem better, give us 50% sale when event start, ty

Yep! Big plat sales would be very appreciate :D

[Makingmofongoo]

Make the arc gem better, give us 50% sale when event start, ty

25% is already good, its just catacombs.

[PirateKing]

just an opinion though, we didn't ask to buff maps..
that seems practical though since so op awakes available and i knew its coming.

But then we didn't ask to fill values or add more op awakes either.
And hence it brought the current unstability in market. But that will settle too one day.

What's worse is how will a new player keep up? or a guy who is progressing by relying on being carried in maps like public hedo/raha ?
More gold loot means more inflation coming...
How would one feel when they been trying to achieve 3k primary stats while others aready 4.5 to 5k?
You may pity them but those are the future of AL once we all get bored and leave,
and if someone new chose to not spend plat, he is not meant for this game atp.
You just made it easier for someone to lose interest in the game, who could be a future op player.

[PatD]

25% is already good, its just catacombs.

We would not ask if it was only Cata,

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[arigosmit]

click the thread, then select web view there you go.

No, read my post again

[Elogirl]

fix % dex somehow i get only 1% with normal awak gem i used over 1k and havent seen a single 2% for helmet, armor and ring

[Rikochhan]

This new awakening system is awful. Imagine spendin near 10k plats and not getting any good awake on single weapon. Old awakening system is better than this, fix this.

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[The Untamed]

I also had the same experience. Spent close to 10k plats. The only good awakening I got is 250%gl on rusk but other than that I kept getting Boss Damage and Elite Damage awakenings and if not those it’s either str% or dex% but I’m a mage. Worst awakening event ever. Not planning on awakening anything for the duration of the event.


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[Clikaa]

2.2 b on new gems and not a single good item


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[Makingmofongoo]

Can you fix the new arcane gems? i wasted and liquidated 450m got nothing good at all its not easy to make gold you know?!

[caabarader]

Can you fix the new arcane gems? i wasted and liquidated 450m got nothing good at all its not easy to make gold you know?!

Are they bugged?

[PatD]

I have use many new gem on my new ss and didnt get even 1 time a 4% Str....

[Makingmofongoo]

New arcane gems are rigged, wasted gold for damn shi [emoji24]

[Levistonyy]

That what happen when you go to a casino the house alway win

[drawfflerz]

the best so far for my arc awake is 7%str on each 2 weapon. the rest is useless. i got 15%cd too but i skip. idk either 15%cd or 7%str good. hahaha......

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[Lazybears]

For me i would go for stats. CD now is very easy to get to 100% with gems, gears, and proc.

[Yuggernaut]

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Consider to buff that arcane awakening jewel,
Because the cost is double from elite awakening,
that gem not only need to not have common awakening but also not have rare awakening.
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Upgrade the new green arcane awakening jewels having just epic and legendary drops, is the fair path.

[AucResearcher]

the best so far for my arc awake is 7%str on each 2 weapon. the rest is useless. i got 15%cd too but i skip. idk either 15%cd or 7%str good. hahaha......

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Im sure 15cd is way better than 7%

[drawfflerz]

Im sure 15cd is way better than 7%is there any capped for %cd?

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[exclusion]

plat awake gem is working fine… just try and try it again and again

[caabarader]

The issue ain't the new system, but the new(and useless) awakens, I used over 1k elite gems, and max I got was 7.5% stats on my weap.
Those new awakens were added probably because we can now awaken our gear with no need of awakening event, and those new awakens are a way to decrease our chances to get op awakens.
That said, for now 15% cd is the best option for weapons due we don't need 2-3 awakens slots to have it, making it way easier to get, but I can't imagine how hard it gonna be to awaken sb pieces(that only has 3 awakens slots) with 8% stats or so...
If I would suggest something, it would be to remove some new and bad awakens that were added with the new system.

[AucResearcher]

is there any capped for %cd?

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Not sure bout crit damage cap , but what i know is its a rlly good awake & gear with 15cd awake cost alot lot more than just 7% stat

[Tekila]

New arc gems are over exagerated.
Blue gems feel like trash now.
Red gems feel legendary.

So yeah you reached your objectives but you should rethink them.


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[Encryptions]

Green awakes are utter trash.


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[Americanarmy]

New arc gems are over exagerated.
Blue gems feel like trash now.
Red gems feel legendary.

So yeah you reached your objectives but you should rethink them.


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Arc gems make no sense to me tbh it make sense if it only had 2 highesy tiers but for now its a copy paste of elite awakening just without common


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[Mohok]

+1 to this i actually spent a lot of gold on arcane awakes i didnt get anything special from normal elite awakes

[AtomicSlayer]

Totally worse update i have seen so far imagine that i used a stacks of it and the best i can get on my rusk was 8% stats which is bs, Last time i remember a stack of e awak can either get you op awak but 8% stats on weap is just decent not even that op, with the new awak they had put in the game, it make things worse imagine getting 1%ms on your e awak 1 INT 1DEX 1 STR, i was so pissed when i saw those awakes pops up using elite awak, ISTG they are ruining the game bit by bit, + the new buff on hedo make it worse idk what else they wanted to add but precisely they trying to destroy their own games spend few bucks, lesson learnt wont even open up my wallet for this game again :D

[Makingmofongoo]

they be like rn:
https://media0.giphy.com/media/1hMhl5fpuLldDqj0Ey/giphy.gif

[trueido]

Sorry that I call it a scam but it is what it is.
I used 6800 plat trying to awak my amulet which was 6% dex before and after ALL this plat went on getting a better awak, the best awak I have seen was 4% dex and nonstop elite damage.
Pure scam. I paid so much money for it and even a decent awake can not be found.
It seems that this new gem is only worth it when you awak weapons, any other piece of gear you will just get bad awakes

I must say that in all previous awakening events, elite gems were even better than this new “improved” gem

[Sabiee]

The rarity of dex awake is wild wild is beyond me really , I spent 450 gems already only 200 left I can’t afford over that and it’s all on one gear and what’s so so soooooooo common as op is boss damage and elite damage and once got 2% dex once only this rarity cant be just my luck to get almost like 100 time boss damage awake and elite damage awake and once only once 2% dex ? Like come on!

[trueido]

Exactly. DEX/STR/INT awakes are no where to be found when it comes to anything but weapons
Just an endless cycle of elite damage and boss damage awake.

[drawfflerz]

Arc gems make no sense to me tbh it make sense if it only had 2 highesy tiers but for now its a copy paste of elite awakening just without common


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkyeah not worth except you are rich.

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[Sabiee]

Exactly. DEX/STR/INT awakes are no where to be found when it comes to anything but weapons
Just an endless cycle of elite damage and boss damage awake.

Not to mention that if this awake is any where to be found after I spend 1k gems maybe the chance of getting it on the wrong gears like 4% intl on rogue gears is extremely high , so u go make it that rare ? it’s non existent not rare

[Americanarmy]

yeah not worth except you are rich.

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Well i am a massive plat buyer spend but i will not buy those gems at all


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[AtomicSlayer]

The rarity of dex awake is wild wild is beyond me really , I spent 450 gems already only 200 left I can’t afford over that and it’s all on one gear and what’s so so soooooooo common as op is boss damage and elite damage and once got 2% dex once only this rarity cant be just my luck to get almost like 100 time boss damage awake and elite damage awake and once only once 2% dex ? Like come on!

Truu bro also remember those new common stuff i kept getting those on my e awak i was super pissed, idk anymore i think i might going crazy base on whats going on 1 INT on my e awak yeah super efficient to spend plats on, using those arc awak was even worse ED BD and not what we all wanted too the rate is crazy since they introduced us with the Common rarity much more worse than i thought but it the most worse thing they can add to this games, technically this event is -100 spend few bucks + most of gold for it not worth my time not worth to open wallets for this game again fr after those locked of sacred i thought i got something better of awak event but it turns out worse

[ShadowCurse]

i dont know but it feels like that awake gems now are much worst . before u can full awake gears by using only 100 blue gems but now i spent 300 blue gems and i only full awake one gear -_- .

[Sabiee]

Truu bro also remember those new common stuff i kept getting those on my e awak i was super pissed, idk anymore i think i might going crazy base on whats going on 1 INT on my e awak yeah super efficient to spend plats on, using those arc awak was even worse ED BD and not what we all wanted too the rate is crazy since they introduced us with the Common rarity much more worse than i thought but it the most worse thing they can add to this games, technically this event is -100 spend few bucks + most of gold for it not worth my time not worth to open wallets for this game again fr after those locked of sacred i thought i got something better of awak event but it turns out worse

I stopped awaking I can’t get more of this on a 63 gear that is a twink level now *PVP* level what am I gonna do with boss damage ?! That came like 150 times .. What a destruction !

[deathhbringer]

They need check the chance of getting elite damage and boss damage every awake I see these 2 awakes non stop lost over 600m to get nothing except couple of 4% stats

[dmqp]

Cracked
I don't want to be rude, but cracked gems have literally no use. Even if i had clean equipment (weapon, helm, ...), there would be no difference between having no awaken or something from cracked gem awakes list. Other thing is by using luck one can craft blue gem way quicker than loot cracked gem (i have looted 1 cracked in 2 days, while crafted 15 blue). Give them purpose, please. I was thinking of doing cracked gem vendor. Yes, this would turn cracked gem into currency, but there would be at least use for it. Collect N number of cracked gems and trade them for grey, blue, red, green gem badges.
Normal
In my opinion they are worse than before. Many more junk awakes (you said you've added them to fill gaps, but they're junk awakes), 50gl awake got removed, 10ms got lowered by 1, 12bd got lowered by 1 and i can continue this way. Before players could use them to let's say roll 100gl in gold loot pieces, now it'll be 80gl highest. They are good for opening slots (in high quantities).
Elite
These are better than before, well they should be, because they cost real money. You have made all awakes available 24/7, that's ok, you've added some stronger awakes (mainly in weapons), players can roll stronger combinations. This gem is improved.
Arcane
Called arcane, but is actually in green color. It removes common rarities, so chance to get desired "fantastic" awakes is improved. On the other hand they cost x2 value of elite gems and nearly x3 more in gold (350k elite vs 1m arcane). So you can either use 100 arcane gems or 300 elite gems, mhmm. I haven't used many of them, so i can't speak about odds, but well uhm, i'll rather use mentioned 300 elite gems.

Final words:
I don't like gem changes.

[PatD]

Same here, this is really bad, something is really wrong, should be fix or else many will stop using those gems

[Dopein]

Title says it all. I'd like to ask for the increase of getting raw armor awakes by awakening. It seems completely impossible to get higher values. Thanks in advance


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[seasonedchicked]

I'm still trying to sell my gems. Could yall be [emoji850] for a little longer

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[frapajuice]

Adding those extra useless awakes was just pointless, nobody will ever use them 1all is a joke fr just added more to get less of a chance of awakes def felt robbed after 2b in and not one good awake rip game

[Rikochhan]

Remove those useless awakes fr, we dont feel like buyin more gems if we kept gettin bs awakes.

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[Makingmofongoo]

Bought 450pcs of new arc gems guess what, highest i got is 4% and the rest is boss damage how cool [emoji58]

Boss damage and elite damage must be essential huh?…

[Neutrone]

I'd like to add speed awakes on literally any haste. I'm getting wonderful BD, ED and XP combos (Consistently) and its frustrating cuz they're useless for what I'm going for.

[Observing]

+1 to making arcane gems better and refunding the ones we used already

[Exijo]

Remove new useless awakes +1

[Rikochhan]

+1 to making arcane gems better and refunding the ones we used already+1

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[Mr.Loucks]

Same bought 340 of them only good awakes were on weapons. Ms is impossible this time around.....

[Rikochhan]

Spend around 2-3k arcane gems on new ss to get armor + stats awake on then which is possible before. Gets nothin, hope you can give us some refund or guarantee for this.

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[Arggonaut]

Your new gems are trash. Can't even have decent awakes. Thank god I didn't even buy platinums. Your game just made me tilt. Tried to awake 50 arc gems didnt even get 10cd or 150 gl awake. Stop killing your great game :). I had a friend bought 340 red gems and 170 arc gems using platinums and u gave him 5.5 dex awake only what a scam.

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[asommers]

hey, whats the point of non-stashable / non-tradeable gem kits if you're making them the same price as the stashable / tradeable kits? making them a few plats cheaper would make a lot more sense.

The tradable kits used to be 3x the price, but since they were sold for Platinum, we decided to make them the same price. The only difference would be convenience of not needing to open the kit, the gems get added to your gem total instantly.


I dont see point in arcane gem if it still has everything the red one has why not only put the last 2 highest tiers inside the arcane gem so that its worth buying instead of removing the common out of it


Yep it’s supposed to be a special arc gem how is it going to have everything elite has lmaoo

You're reading this incorrectly. The gems work as follows:

Cracked (grey): rolls common enhancements only.
Standard (blue): rolls common, rare, and epic enhancements (everything except what used to be non-event enhancements)
Elite (red): rolls, common, rare, epic, and legendary enhancements (like it always has, but now you can get legendary enhancements outside of the event)
Arcane (green): rolls rare, epic, and legendary enhancements (all common enhancements are excluded)

So, as you can see, arcane (green) and elite (red) are different.


fix % dex somehow i get only 1% with normal awak gem i used over 1k and havent seen a single 2% for helmet, armor and ring

I've verified +2% Dexterity should be possible with the standard (blue) gem and its odds are correct.


Can you fix the new arcane gems? i wasted and liquidated 450m got nothing good at all its not easy to make gold you know?!

Verified these are working correctly and that they only allow rare, epic, and legendary enhancements.


Those new awakens were added probably because we can now awaken our gear with no need of awakening event, and those new awakens are a way to decrease our chances to get op awakens.

The amount of enhancements per rarity doesn't have an impact on rolling a specific rarity since we roll rarity first and then choose among the enhancements for that rarity.

I've spent a couple of hours this morning analyzing the enhancement data and simulating gem usage and haven't seen any issues. Sure, there are complaints, but we often receive complaints/anecdotes with anything using 'random' (drop rates, spawns, etc.).

It will take a bit more time, but next step is for me to look at the entire distribution of enhancements acquired by players since the event started, but I don't suspect I'll find anything that differs from the simulations.

-ALS

[Rikochhan]

The tradable kits used to be 3x the price, but since they were sold for Platinum, we decided to make them the same price. The only difference would be convenience of not needing to open the kit, the gems get added to your gem total instantly.





You're reading this incorrectly. The gems work as follows:

Cracked (grey): rolls common enhancements only.
Standard (blue): rolls common, rare, and epic enhancements (everything except what used to be non-event enhancements)
Elite (red): rolls, common, rare, epic, and legendary enhancements (like it always has, but now you can get legendary enhancements outside of the event)
Arcane (green): rolls rare, epic, and legendary enhancements (all common enhancements are excluded)

So, as you can see, arcane (green) and elite (red) are different.



I've verified +2% Dexterity should be possible with the standard (blue) gem and its odds are correct.



Verified these are working correctly and that they only allow rare, epic, and legendary enhancements.



The amount of enhancements per rarity doesn't have an impact on rolling a specific rarity since we roll rarity first and then choose among the enhancements for that rarity.

I've spent a couple of hours this morning analyzing the enhancement data and simulating gem usage and haven't seen any issues. Sure, there are complaints, but we often receive complaints/anecdotes with anything using 'random' (drop rates, spawns, etc.).

It will take a bit more time, but next step is for me to look at the entire distribution of enhancements acquired by players since the event started, but I don't suspect I'll find anything that differs from the simulations.

-ALSNo adjustments for everyone who bought alot and used them & get nothin? Used to remember i can maxed a full geared twink with 2-3k elite gems, now we used again 3k gems but arcane gems ( 2x the price ) and didnt even get a single maxed item on ss / weap.

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[Clikaa]

The tradable kits used to be 3x the price, but since they were sold for Platinum, we decided to make them the same price. The only difference would be convenience of not needing to open the kit, the gems get added to your gem total instantly.





You're reading this incorrectly. The gems work as follows:

Cracked (grey): rolls common enhancements only.
Standard (blue): rolls common, rare, and epic enhancements (everything except what used to be non-event enhancements)
Elite (red): rolls, common, rare, epic, and legendary enhancements (like it always has, but now you can get legendary enhancements outside of the event)
Arcane (green): rolls rare, epic, and legendary enhancements (all common enhancements are excluded)

So, as you can see, arcane (green) and elite (red) are different.



I've verified +2% Dexterity should be possible with the standard (blue) gem and its odds are correct.



Verified these are working correctly and that they only allow rare, epic, and legendary enhancements.



The amount of enhancements per rarity doesn't have an impact on rolling a specific rarity since we roll rarity first and then choose among the enhancements for that rarity.

I've spent a couple of hours this morning analyzing the enhancement data and simulating gem usage and haven't seen any issues. Sure, there are complaints, but we often receive complaints/anecdotes with anything using 'random' (drop rates, spawns, etc.).

It will take a bit more time, but next step is for me to look at the entire distribution of enhancements acquired by players since the event started, but I don't suspect I'll find anything that differs from the simulations.

-ALS

Funny bc I myself spent 2.4b along with 300$ and got dirt awakes [emoji81] also have guidies that spent over 2b on useless awakes


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[iulicutu]

I'll begin by saying I'm sorry you wasted your plat/gold and got nothing in return.
A part of me is glad seeing all this outrage from all of you because I did saw this coming and I even warned some of my friends not to spend too much.
It is indeed a gamble but even the most notorious gacha games these days are complying with the regulations that are imposed in some countries around the world and provide the rates for the drops/pulls.
But sts has yet to provide any rates for their rng mechanics. Can you guess why?
You guessed right! Because they know if players saw the insanely low rates no1 would spend anymore on any of their gambling mechanics(be it opening crates or awakening gear).

Let's get straight to the point:I'm going to try to compute some possible rates for getting a decent awakening(same type stat):


All awakenings with the same rarity have the same odds.

Based on this information we can assume the rates for each rarity then compute the rate for a certain awake from the total number of awakes that are available in that rarity.


weapon

The total number of possible awakes provided by the devs for weapons, classified by rarity are:

Common: 36
Rare: 67
Epic: 53
Legendary: 52

Using elite gems let's assume the rates for each rarity: common - 30%, rare - 40%, epic - 26%, legendary - 4%
Let's say we want a decent amount of main stat

Epic awakes we could use: 2% all, 2.5% all, 2.5% main stat, 3% main stat, 3.5% main stat => so we could use 5 out of 53 epic
Legendary awakes we could use: 3% all, 5% all, 7% all, 5% main stat, 7% main stat => so we could use 5 out of 52 legendary
The chance for 1 individual slot to be in the epic pool we selected is:

0.26 * 1/53 * 5 = 0.0245(roughly 2% chance) where

26% is the chance to roll epic
1/53 is the chance to roll 1 specific awake out of the epic pool
5 is the number of awakes we'd want from the epic pool


The chance for 1 individual slot to be in the legendary pool we selected is:

0.04 * 1/52 * 5 = 0.0038(roughly 0.4% chance) where

4% is the chance to roll legendary
1/52 is the chance to roll 1 specific awake out of the legendary pool
5 is the number of awakes we'd want from the legendary pool


The chance for 2 slots to be epic from the selected pool(so the worst you could get is 2 2% all = 4% all and the best you could get is 2 3.5% main stat = 7% main stat):

4 * 0.0245 * 3 * 0.0245 = 0.0072(roughly 0.7% chance) where

4 is the number of initial slots we have
0.0245 is the chance for 1 individual slot to be in the selected epic pool
3 is the number of slots we have left after the first slot has been rolled


The chance for 1 slot to be legendary and 1 epic from the selected pools(so the worst you could get is 2% all and 3% all = 5% all and the best you could get is 7% all/7% main stat and 3.5% main stat = 10.5% main stat):

4 * 0.0038 * 3 * 0.0245 = 0.0011(roughly 0.1% chance) where

4 is the number of initial slots we have
0.0038 is the chance for 1 individual slot to be in the selected legendary pool
3 is the number of slots we have left after the first slot has been rolled
0.0245 is the chance for 1 individual slot to be in the selected epic pool


The chance for 2 slots to be legendary from the selected pool(so the worst you could get is 2 3% all = 6% all and the best you could get is 2 7% all/7% main stat = 14% main stat):

4 * 0.0038 * 3 * 0.0038 = 0.00017(roughly 0.02% chance)

If we want the chance only to get 2 7% we need to further lower the selected pool: we only accept 7% all and 7% main stat from the pool => we could only use 2 out of 52 legendary
In this case, the chance for 1 individual slot to be in the legendary pool we selected is:

0.04 * 1/52 * 2 = 0.001538(roughly 0.15% chance)

The chance for 2 slots to be 7% is:

4 * 0.001538 * 3 * 0.001538 = 0.000028(roughly 0.003% chance)



Using arcane gems let's assume the rates for each rarity: rare - 52%, epic - 42%, legendary - 6%
Keeping the same pools as previously selected

The chance for 1 individual slot to be in the epic pool

0.42 * 1/53 * 5 = 0.0396(roughly 4% chance)

The chance for 1 individual slot to be in the legendary pool

0.06 * 1/52 * 5 = 0.005769(roughly 0.6% chance)

The chance for 2 slots to be epic

4 * 0.0396 * 3 * 0.0396 = 0.0188(roughly 1.9% chance)

The chance for 1 slot epic and 1 legendary

4 * 0.005769 * 3 * 0.0396 = 0.0027(roughly 0.27% chance)

The chance for 2 legendary slots

4 * 0.005769 * 3 * 0.005769 = 0.000399(roughly 0.04% chance)

7% individual slot chance

0.06 * 1/52 * 2 = 0.0023(roughly 0.2% chance)

The chance for 2 slots to be 7%

4 * 0.0023 * 3 * 0.0023 = 0.000063(roughly 0.006% chance)


The weapon I used for these results has 4 slots(so it is arcane; less slots would give even lower rates)


any other type(except weapon)

The total number of possible awakes provided by the devs for belt(other types have a similar number +/- a few), classified by rarity are:

Common: 38
Rare: 62
Epic: 24
Legendary: 25

Using elite gems and keeping the previously assumed rates for each rarity: common - 30%, rare - 40%, epic - 26%, legendary - 4%
Let's compute the chance for a 4% main stat individual slot

0.04 * 1/25 = 0.0016(roughly 0.16% chance)

If we want 2 4% slots the chance is

4 * 0.0016 * 3 * 0.0016 = 0.00003(roughly 0.003% chance for an arcane item that has 4 slots)
3 * 0.0016 * 2 * 0.0016 = 0.000015(roughly 0.0015% chance for a mythic item that has 3 slots)

Using arcane gems and keeping the previously assumed rates for each rarity: rare - 52%, epic - 42%, legendary - 6%
Let's compute the chance for a 4% main stat individual slot

0.06 * 1/25 = 0.0024(roughly 0.24% chance)
If we want 2 4% slots the chance is

4 * 0.0024 * 3 * 0.0024 = 0.000069(roughly 0.007% chance for an arcane item that has 4 slots)
3 * 0.0024 * 2 * 0.0024 = 0.0000345(roughly 0.0035% chance for a mythic item that has 3 slots)




Keep in mind: All these computations are based on the assumed rarity rates. These are probably different from the actual rates in-game. There's no way for me to know those so I gave some values that I thought would make sense.
If anything here is wrong feel free to correct me. I've been writing this for hours and I'm quite tired.
Conclusions:

Not knowing the actual rates might give you the wrong impression that you can get insanely powerful awakes fast. That is completely false.
Most of us(myself included) spent thousands of gems without getting anything out of it. This is a system meant to burn a lot of plat without producing much value in return(statistically speaking).
Even if there are some ppl who get lucky, for every one of them there is 10000 of us.
Try not to spend too much on these otherwise you'll be very disappointed.

[portgrace]

Standard (blue): rolls common, rare, and epic enhancements (everything except what used to be non-event enhancements)



Oh yeah? Then why did you remove 10ms awakens , 50 gl on ring/helm/belt/brace/arti etc when it was clearly available in list you posted on first comment that 50gl would be available by standard blue gems?

Utterly trash event and new awakened system. Noone asked for it.

Who is even going to spend 5k elite gems now to get just one 90gl on any of belt to brace items? specially venal

[portgrace]

I'll begin by saying I'm sorry you wasted your plat/gold and got nothing in return.


Thanks for all the math and its probably correct and i get the gist of what you saying but its tooo hard to figure out what you saying through maths.

Speak English not maths mate.
% of probability would have been enough to tell new system is scam

[recilencia123]

the best so far for my arc awake is 7%str on each 2 weapon. the rest is useless. i got 15%cd too but i skip. idk either 15%cd or 7%str good. hahaha......

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15cd better


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[recilencia123]

is there any capped for %cd?

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[portgrace]

looking at traders market u can seee so many guys quitting selling their items
or the fact noone farming hedo anymore
or the fact u ask anyone in game, guys who were previously supporting awake event too, noooone is happy, not a single soul likes the new awake system.

You just made it faster to kill your own game now that so many players (who are good) are leaving.
Weak guys will leave too.
I was so damn excited and waiting for catacombs or awake event but you ruined it.
Inflation is all time higher.
I want to hear from all those guys who commented +1 for the change earlier when it was discussed before rolling out.
Even plat spenders are unhappy, f2p is dead.
Money doenst come from trees u know that we can spend infinitely.

Sorry i am just too pissed, the game i love feels ruined and makes me want to run away

[Americanarmy]

Oh yeah? Then why did you remove 10ms awakens , 50 gl on ring/helm/belt/brace/arti etc when it was clearly available in list you posted on first comment that 50gl would be available by standard blue gems?

Utterly trash event and new awakened system. Noone asked for it.

Who is even going to spend 5k elite gems now to get just one 90gl on any of belt to brace items? specially venal

They dont make community polls for anything they change they dont want the community to be part of the decision making[emoji50]*[emoji100]


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[Rikochhan]

Only thing would make the community happy is to refund the wasted arcane gems and make the odds better, other else are bs.

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[Tekila]

Arc gems make no sense to me tbh it make sense if it only had 2 highesy tiers but for now its a copy paste of elite awakening just without common


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Just look at all the op awaks people rolled with it from 15% CD + 7% stats to 7% stats + 150% gl and 150+150= 300% gl. Those arcane gems are really amazing.

They are just as op as expected but it’s freaking hidden behind a plat paywall.

And Blue gems got nerf for no reason.

Actually I feel the same level of satisfaction as when they made the slot changes. Disappointed.


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[Americanarmy]

Just look at all the op awaks people rolled with it from 15% CD + 7% stats to 7% stats + 150% gl and 150+150= 300% gl. Those arcane gems are really amazing.

They are just as op as expected but it’s freaking hidden behind a plat paywall.

And Blue gems got nerf for no reason.

Actually I feel the same level of satisfaction as when they made the slot changes. Disappointed.


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Cata should drop sb an arc gems since its called arcane catacombs and not zodias catacombs cause i dont think anyone needs krak at this point if they do add that stuff then 0.5% drop rate or less with krak in loot pool


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[capeo]

Lots of noise here but the "event" is permanent. Plenty of op gear rolled its just rare. Like it should be. That being said I do agree with the overall sentiment that this change is brutal for the players. Something has to change where spending real money is worth the investment. If you use thousands of plat and spend hundreds of real dollars walking away with nothing is just wrong. It's basically gambling with no chance of a return.

They basically made it a trade off, awakes available all the time but the ones you want are rare. That is fine if there was something in place like the guarantee after opening locked. That was a good idea that is now useless but with an update would be good for the players. Spend x and at least get something to sell. Obviously no one wants more kraken helms so it's broken but the idea has merit. In my opinion something similar for awakes would help. X gems and maybe pick 1 awake from a pool. Some form of that would balance the pain out.

[portgrace]

Lots of noise here but the "event" is permanent. Plenty of op gear rolled its just rare.
They basically made it a trade off, awakes available all the time

Again, we didn't ask for it. People said yes for making event permanent true.

Noone asked for filling values, buffing bosses or extra op awakes or any new gems.

The most seasoned players of game clearly denied for letting such a change happen too, including me.

You can keep the sentiment of "op is rare" after spending infinite plat/dollars or trying to live as f2p

[trueido]

@Asommers

Can you go on a rog, try to roll a dex awake on a pendant or amulet or anything that is not a weapon (which is pretty fine on a weapon) and see how rare it is?
Its super rare now and this is the awake most rogues need. It was never like this before
Just see for yourself, you will keep on getting elite damage and boss damage nonstop

[capeo]

I actually agree with you, they should save people from themselves. Chasing awakes is 100% gambling. Locking slots or giving people something valuable after spending would help towards that goal. Locking a slot after x gems. Pick an awake after x gems. People should actually get something after spending.

If everyone has op gear it's not op. It's the norm. So yeah, I can see why they changed it. I know it's not popular but it's literally what the players asked for.....

On a side not there are now 15%+ main stat weapons out there. 300%+ gold loot. It's the first week after the change. You need to get lucky for those awakes but they do happen. They are valuable because they are rare. I personally didn't get anything worth being excited about but I capped my spending and lived with what I have. It's called being responsible with your money, or your.parents money whatever the case may be. Does everyone want content scaled to 15% main stat awakes and 400% gold loot weps? Because that's what happens when everyone has it. It's rhetorical, I know everyone wants it for themselves and cares less about the consequences. Just like they wanted perm awake event.

[Observing]

I actually agree with you, they should save people from themselves. Chasing awakes is 100% gambling. Locking slots or giving people something valuable after spending would help towards that goal. Locking a slot after x gems. Pick an awake after x gems. People should actually get something after spending.

If everyone has op gear it's not op. It's the norm. So yeah, I can see why they changed it. I know it's not popular but it's literally what the players asked for.....

On a side not there are now 15%+ main stat weapons out there. 300%+ gold loot. It's the first week after the change. You need to get lucky for those awakes but they do happen. They are valuable because they are rare. I personally didn't get anything worth being excited about but I capped my spending and lived with what I have. It's called being responsible with your money, or your.parents money whatever the case may be. Does everyone want content scaled to 15% main stat awakes and 400% gold loot weps? Because that's what happens when everyone has it. It's rhetorical, I know everyone wants it for themselves and cares less about the consequences. Just like they wanted perm awake event.


Don't care, I want my gems back and buffed

[frapajuice]

Could you at least remove the useless awakes that are just there in the way preventing to look decent im not asking for op but decent!!! Idc so n so got this and that i spent billions and plat and all i get is garbage lets be serious, i get yall tryna fill your pockets but do it at a fair way without causing those who fill your pockets a big L every time they try :/ another event yet ruined for unnecessary adds nailed it again!

[Randomguy1]

why did you guys nerf awakening event so badly? is it so people buy plat, waste it, and forced to buy more? I just want to understand why it was nerfed so bad.

[LilJJ03]

Game is ruined with this new awakening system. You will only see op awakes on arcane weps cause they have 4 slots + the new 7% stats and 150 gl awakes. As for all the other gear like star beast that have only 3 slots getting 6, 7 or 8% is near impossible or will need to win the lottery. The fact that you could spend billions gold and/or thousands of plat to not even get 6%, 7% or 8% is a scam. Blue awakes are useless now since they removed the 50% gl awake and then added tons of useless awakes. It's also hard to get ms awakes on blue awakes which it was also used for. The new arcane gem is 5x worse than the elite awakes before the changes. Using elite awakes on items that have 3 slots feels like using a worse version of blue gems before the changes too. Majority of the op star beast gears that have 7% or 8% were obtained in previous awake events and it feels like 1 or 2 people rolled a 7% or 8% with the new changes cause its extremely rare compared to before. There needs to be a change to make awakening items feel like how they were before because it feels very unfair now.

[Ouch21]

The new/changes in awake is only applicable for weaps xd

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[lethal]

maybe buff the arcane gems slightly (get more legendary awakes) as they are 10 plat each

[Zoee]

new awake system is so dissapointing, so hard to roll good awakes on 3 slot gears, got elite and boss damage everytime, and maybe thats why people are focusing on weapon only, hope there will be a change in the future about this

[sixzy]

please can we have the 10%ms and 50%gl back when using blue awake gem

[lethal]

Some Awake Rarities make NO sense!

For Weapons THESE Awakes should 100% not be Legendary Rarity!!! These awakes are just very bad

+6 Damage, 150 175 and 200 Health, 1.25% Lethality, 150 175 200 MANA???? , 3% 4% 5% Mana ??. (ALL of these are Legendary Rarity currently, please make them a lower rarity) (especially the mana makes no sense to be a legendary awake)

[PatD]

I think my idea about plat spender reward would balance a bit this new really bad awaken system:


Well, since that new awaken system have make many people mad i have a brilliant idea :D

For plat spender reward, why not give a "Select awaken of your choice in slot of your choice" token?

So lets say that for every x amount of plat spend we receive a token!

So it could be a kind of consolation for unlucky plat spender and it would be another motivation to buy plat :)

I think this idea would be a win/win for both STS and their players :))

What do you think?

Ps: ofc we would choose from possible awaken for each gears

[AgentStonoga]

You've added too many new awakenings (mostly bad ones) which in overall makes it way harder to roll anything good on armors and accessories.
Solution for it would be adding some good stats/movement speed awakenings to the awakening pool for armors and accessories. I would start with adding 3% singular stat (str or dex or int) and 13% movement speed. If that wasn't enough then I would add 2% all stats and 11% movement speed aswell. That would definitely help players with rolling useful awakenings, because for now it's not worth to spend your awakenings on anything other than weapons.
Also, bring back 50% gl in accessories. Come on, no one will use elite/arcane gems for venal pieces when there are only 3 possible gold loot enhancements and any other awakening (stat/ms) is basically useless for venal set.
@asommers

[frapajuice]

Remove 1 all 20 armor those awakes are completely useless… dont see what right mind thought itd be a great add :/ awake event was fine before now its just a money making event for yall and were getting nothing from what were investing

[drawfflerz]

My Idea for dev team:

1. remove incense fragment from game or change it to cracked awake gem include in stash/inventory.

2. Use 15 crack awake gem to craft normal awake gem. (duration 30m)(500g)

3. Use 13 normal awake gem to craft elite awake gem. (duration 1.5hr)(10,000g)

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[Tekila]

My Idea for dev team:

1. remove incense fragment from game or change it to cracked awake gem include in stash/inventory.

2. Use 15 crack awake gem to craft normal awake gem. (duration 30m)(500g)

3. Use 13 normal awake gem to craft elite awake gem. (duration 1.5hr)(10,000g)

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Fair enough


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[thuzirr]

you need to buff Arcane Awake Gems chance for Legendary roll slightly

Arcane Awake Gems should be the best and they are only available during Awake Event

Right now most are only usinge Elite Awake Gems because they are barely worse than arc gems but much cheaper

by slightly buffing the legendary rate for arc gems, they will actually feel like arc gems
these gems should be better than elites because they are only available in awake event and are "Arcane" and cost alot more plat than elites

[recilencia123]

You've added too many new awakenings (mostly bad ones) which in overall makes it way harder to roll anything good on armors and accessories.
Solution for it would be adding some good stats/movement speed awakenings to the awakening pool for armors and accessories. I would start with adding 3% singular stat (str or dex or int) and 13% movement speed. If that wasn't enough then I would add 2% all stats and 11% movement speed aswell. That would definitely help players with rolling useful awakenings, because for now it's not worth to spend your awakenings on anything other than weapons.
Also, bring back 50% gl in accessories. Come on, no one will use elite/arcane gems for venal pieces when there are only 3 possible gold loot enhancements and any other awakening (stat/ms) is basically useless for venal set.
@asommers

x2 :/ add 50 gl with normal awake gem pls


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[Hercules]

Option One: I have seen many comments and people want to receive good awakes for what they have paid.

And if instead of expanding the rarity of the awakening gems, specific awakening gems are created.

What's New? - Awakenings will now be per slot and can be SAVED OR BLOCKED.

268084

- The huge variety of types of awakenings are reduced, but the low probability of obtaining the excellent upgrades remains. Only now they will be the type you are looking for.

WEAPONS

Armor awakening gem




Armor awakening gem (Legendary) events, crafting
Armor awakening gem (Arcane) 50 plat each


25 armor
125 armor


50 armor
150 armor


75 armor
175 armor


100 armor
200 armor


125 armor
5% armor


1% armor
6% armor


2% armor
7% armor


3% armor
8% armor


4% armor
9% armor


5% armor
10% armor




Gold Loot awakening gem




Gold Loot awakening gem (Legendary) events, crafting
Gold Loot awakening gem (Arcane) 50 plat each


10% gold loot
40% gold loot


20% gold loot
50% gold loot


40% gold loot
60% gold loot



80% gold loot



100% gold loot



125% gold loot



150% gold loot



It will not be easy to obtain the best awakenings, this will be luck and each level will have a lower probability of coming out, but at least you know that what you invest is what you are looking for.

It is important to say that this only works if previously taken slots can be blocked. This way you can improve slot by slot and get exactly what you are looking for.

For example, if you used the gold loot awakening gem arcana and got 150% gold in a slot, you can save it. and try the next one using an armor awakeking gem.

What is the decision of STS?, to define the price of each awakening gem, and depending on its importance or need to increase or reduce the cost, for example a gold loot awakening gem cannot cost the same as an armor awakening gem.

[Hercules]

Option two: In case my idea fails or the community doesn't like it.

* May the new arcana awakening gems only allow you to obtain epic and legendary. And increase the price in plat. (That would be the sacrifice for eliminating the option to receive awakes rares)


What's new?: - Its price can go from 10 plat to 25 plat, only sts can define it
- Arcane Awakening Gems allows you to obtain epic and legendary awakens





Stone of Augmentation
Common
Rare
Epic
Legendary
Slot Unlock Odds
Acquisition


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Cracked (gray) NEW!
XX



NONE
Looted


https://www.spacetimestudios.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=267893&d=1719934884
Standard (blue)
XX
XX
XX

LOW
Crafted, available for gold during Awakening events, and event rewards


https://www.spacetimestudios.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=267894&d=1719934897
Elite (red)
XX
XX
XX
XX
MED
Platinum and event rewards


https://www.spacetimestudios.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=267895&d=1719934907
Arcane (green) NEW!




XX
XX
HIGH
Available for Platinum during item Awakening events

[Hercules]

Clarification: With my idea, if we could build the awakes per slot, we would have a healthier and more nourished market.


It would be much more likely to see a weapon with:

- 15% CD
- 150% Gl
- 7% Str
- 6% Armor

[Apocalyptis]

Big no to this blocking slots system or whatever you call it lmao. Let it be random else we will see insane awakes on every damn thing.

It’s bad for the game as well as for the sts income, as it would be way more easier to get any maxed out item. Just no.

[Candylicks]

I’m not able to roll decent MS or base stats on anything except weapon.

I’m getting a lot of boss and elite dmg.

I spent about oh idk maybe $500 of plat mostly on green gems some elite. No upgrades to a single gear item except weap.

Not sure if just my weird luck or not?

I stopped awakening for now. I’m curious what everyone else is seeing now that this is live.

Share what you are seeing.

[Rikochhan]

268098

You didn't read correctly and I already understand the no in your answer.They wont do it since it will limit their sales on gems. Most likely they will just buffed the legendary awakes, no other else.

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[Hercules]

I’m not able to roll decent MS or base stats on anything except weapon.

I’m getting a lot of boss and elite dmg.

I spent about oh idk maybe $500 of plat mostly on green gems some elite. No upgrades to a single gear item except weap.

Not sure if just my weird luck or not?

I stopped awakening for now. I’m curious what everyone else is seeing now that this is live.

Share what you are seeing.
The same thing happened to me, I spent 400m+ on awakenings, few good results. Indeed there is a lot of boss damage and elite damage.

[Hercules]

Big no to this blocking slots system or whatever you call it lmao. Let it be random else we will see insane awakes on every damn thing.

It’s bad for the game as well as for the sts income, as it would be way more easier to get any maxed out item. Just no.
So you like option 2 better? The idea is to find solutions for everyone. For both plat users, Game developers and the community in general

[|Ares|]

Clarification: With my idea, if we could build the awakes per slot, we would have a healthier and more nourished market.


It would be much more likely to see a weapon with:

- 15% CD
- 150% Gl
- 7% Str
- 6% Armor

Healthier market whilst locking 150%gl per slot. Yeah no, -1

[Apocalyptis]

So you like option 2 better? The idea is to find solutions for everyone. For both plat users, Game developers and the community in general

I’d just leave it as it is.

[Candylicks]

The same thing happened to me, I spent 400m+ on awakenings, few good results. Indeed there is a lot of boss damage and elite damage.

Yeah meh.

My flame is 17/21 and that was a LOT to even get there.

I’m thankful for the bow but think they need to look at the data overall.

[Hercules]

No puedo obtener estadísticas base ni MS decentes en nada, excepto en las armas.

Estoy recibiendo mucho daño de los jefes y de los élites.

Gasté unos 500 dólares de platino, no sé, principalmente en gemas verdes y algunas élites. No he mejorado ningún elemento de equipo, excepto el arma.

No estoy seguro de si es solo mi extraña suerte o no.

Dejé de despertar por ahora. Tengo curiosidad por saber qué están viendo los demás ahora que esto está activo.

Compartan lo que están viendo.

This is also why I think my idea works, it is something more guaranteed, equitable and beautiful. And much fairer for the plat users.

[Hercules]

Healthier market whilst locking 150%gl per slot. Yeah no, -1

1. Keep in mind that it is not easy to obtain. You may spend a lot of real money, but at least you know what you're getting With specific awakening gems.

You think about the slightest possibility of occurrence.

But imagine a gun:
- 100% gl
- 15% critical damage
- 7% str
- 4% armor

I see a more varied market

If you get 400% gl weapon congratulations, sell it or keep it. There will also be few.

2. We must not leave aside that compared to now, those who have the best awakes are the richest. There are possibilities for everyone here.

[Hercules]

I’d just leave it as it is.

Then you are not reading the feedback and opinions of those who buy plat, use arcane awakes and get bad results.

[recilencia123]

Option One: I have seen many comments and people want to receive good awakes for what they have paid.

And if instead of expanding the rarity of the awakening gems, specific awakening gems are created.

What's New? - Awakenings will now be per slot and can be SAVED OR BLOCKED.

268084

- The huge variety of types of awakenings are reduced, but the low probability of obtaining the excellent upgrades remains. Only now they will be the type you are looking for.

WEAPONS

Armor awakening gem




Armor awakening gem (Legendary) events, crafting
Armor awakening gem (Arcane) 50 plat each


25 armor
125 armor


50 armor
150 armor


75 armor
175 armor


100 armor
200 armor


125 armor
5% armor


1% armor
6% armor


2% armor
7% armor


3% armor
8% armor


4% armor
9% armor


5% armor
10% armor




Gold Loot awakening gem




Gold Loot awakening gem (Legendary) events, crafting
Gold Loot awakening gem (Arcane) 50 plat each


10% gold loot
40% gold loot


20% gold loot
50% gold loot


40% gold loot
60% gold loot



80% gold loot



100% gold loot



125% gold loot



150% gold loot



It will not be easy to obtain the best awakenings, this will be luck and each level will have a lower probability of coming out, but at least you know that what you invest is what you are looking for.

It is important to say that this only works if previously taken slots can be blocked. This way you can improve slot by slot and get exactly what you are looking for.

For example, if you used the gold loot awakening gem arcana and got 150% gold in a slot, you can save it. and try the next one using an armor awakeking gem.

What is the decision of STS?, to define the price of each awakening gem, and depending on its importance or need to increase or reduce the cost, for example a gold loot awakening gem cannot cost the same as an armor awakening gem.

D: -1


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[portgrace]

lol look at this thread as if they listen to community
game is dead

[LilJJ03]

I think allowing us to save/lock only 1 enhancement slot for maybe 100 elite gems or 50 arcane gems is fair. It doesn't have to be for weapons if the concern is that there will be extremely broken weapon awakes. Being able to lock 1 slot on all other equipment except weapons will fix the problem of awakening gears with 3 slots like star beast, venal and speed sets. Also changing the elite gems to be like the new arcane gems in which it excludes common awakes will make elite awakes feel better to use. Arcane gems should then be updated to exclude common and rare awakes to actually make it feel "arcane". I think in theory a combination of buffing the gems and being able to lock 1 slot on all equipment except for weapons will make awakening items much more fair.

[Hercules]

I think allowing us to save/lock only 1 enhancement slot for maybe 100 elite gems or 50 arcane gems is fair. It doesn't have to be for weapons if the concern is that there will be extremely broken weapon awakes. Being able to lock 1 slot on all other equipment except weapons will fix the problem of awakening gears with 3 slots like star beast, venal and speed sets. Also changing the elite gems to be like the new arcane gems in which it excludes common awakes will make elite awakes feel better to use. Arcane gems should then be updated to exclude common and rare awakes to actually make it feel "arcane". I think in theory a combination of buffing the gems and being able to lock 1 slot on all equipment except for weapons will make awakening items much more fair.

This is what I love about creating threads, the opinion. The arguments that nourish the idea, and not those people who only put -1. I know that together we can create great things

[zynkor]

I think allowing us to save/lock only 1 enhancement slot for maybe 100 elite gems or 50 arcane gems is fair. It doesn't have to be for weapons if the concern is that there will be extremely broken weapon awakes. Being able to lock 1 slot on all other equipment except weapons will fix the problem of awakening gears with 3 slots like star beast, venal and speed sets. Also changing the elite gems to be like the new arcane gems in which it excludes common awakes will make elite awakes feel better to use. Arcane gems should then be updated to exclude common and rare awakes to actually make it feel "arcane". I think in theory a combination of buffing the gems and being able to lock 1 slot on all equipment except for weapons will make awakening items much more fair.

Sry but 100 elites mean nothing compared to the ultimate power one would get by being able to lock slots.
If locking slots ever becomes reality, then it should cost immense amounts of plat to do so, otherwise the game will be flooded with crazy awakened gear which will make the price of everything plummet massively.

In my other comment I mention 10.000 plat, but maybe it should be even more and make it double incrementally. So for locking 1 slot you pay 10.000 plat, then for the second slot you pay 20.000 and so on. But tbh, locking slots isn't really my preferred solution to this. Instead I'd rather see the loot table cleansed of useless awakes like Mana or +1 stats, since nobody needs those anyway.

[Apocalyptis]

Then you are not reading the feedback and opinions of those who buy plat, use arcane awakes and get bad results.

I’m spending as much as you do, still doesn’t make sense to change anything. Let RNG decide.

Top tier awakens aren’t meant to be common and I’ve seen plenty of people getting crazy items with new gems already.

No thanks.

[LilJJ03]

Sry but 100 elites mean nothing compared to the ultimate power one would get by being able to lock slots.
If locking slots ever becomes reality, then it should cost immense amounts of plat to do so, otherwise the game will be flooded with crazy awakened gear which will make the price of everything plummet massively.

In my other comment I mention 10.000 plat, but maybe it should be even more and make it double incrementally. So for locking 1 slot you pay 10.000 plat, then for the second slot you pay 20.000 and so on. But tbh, locking slots isn't really my preferred solution to this. Instead I'd rather see the loot table cleansed of useless awakes like Mana or +1 stats, since nobody needs those anyway.

10k plat is absurd to be able to lock a slot that's literally 2k elite gems which I don't think is right. My suggestion was to only be able to lock 1 slot only per item with the exception of weapons. 100 elite gems might be too little but maybe 200 cause if you think about you could get op awakes within 50-200 elite awakes before the changes but now its like winning the lottery. I was more talking about the gear that have 3 slots like star beast and other set items. For example if you get 4% stat on a star helm you could lock 1 slot leaving you with only 2 slots to get a 3% or another 4%. They could even limit the amount of legendary awakes you could get once you lock a slot meaning the max you could get is 2x 4% stat. If it were to cost 2k elite gems to lock a slot a single piece of star beast gear with 8% would cost near 1b which is not reasonable imo. I agree with removing all of the useless awakes you could roll but I think its too late for them to revert it back or remove them from the game. The damage has already been done so that's why I suggest locking a maximum of only 1 slot per item except weps.

[Candylicks]

Yeah 10k plat to lock a slot? No way and please stop giving these insane expensive ideas.


I’d be happy if they just looked at the event data to make sure rolls are rolling as anticipated, and a confirmation of it.

[|Ares|]

1. Keep in mind that it is not easy to obtain. You may spend a lot of real money, but at least you know what you're getting With specific awakening gems.

You think about the slightest possibility of occurrence.

But imagine a gun:
- 100% gl
- 15% critical damage
- 7% str
- 4% armor

I see a more varied market

If you get 400% gl weapon congratulations, sell it or keep it. There will also be few.

2. We must not leave aside that compared to now, those who have the best awakes are the richest. There are possibilities for everyone here.

Nah, that's still a no to locking anything
Gamble yourself away, get lucky or not. That's the whole idea.

[Maisakurajima]

Why are some awakes that were previously available with blue awakening gems now in the legendary category (50gl and 10ms on belt ring pendant arti and bracelet)?

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[zynkor]

10k plat is absurd to be able to lock a slot that's literally 2k elite gems which I don't think is right. My suggestion was to only be able to lock 1 slot only per item with the exception of weapons. 100 elite gems might be too little but maybe 200 cause if you think about you could get op awakes within 50-200 elite awakes before the changes but now its like winning the lottery. I was more talking about the gear that have 3 slots like star beast and other set items. For example if you get 4% stat on a star helm you could lock 1 slot leaving you with only 2 slots to get a 3% or another 4%. They could even limit the amount of legendary awakes you could get once you lock a slot meaning the max you could get is 2x 4% stat. If it were to cost 2k elite gems to lock a slot a single piece of star beast gear with 8% would cost near 1b which is not reasonable imo. I agree with removing all of the useless awakes you could roll but I think its too late for them to revert it back or remove them from the game. The damage has already been done so that's why I suggest locking a maximum of only 1 slot per item except weps.

I know its absurd, thats why I said I'd prefer not to have the locking system at all.

[portgrace]

raise your hands how many people dont like this new system and want it gone after this week event with all the filled up values and stuff and make things normal again with 50gl awakens by blue gems etc
otherwise how many have lost too much and feel game broken beyond repair and want to quit (like me)

[Trulex]

arcane awakening gems need a buff

[caabarader]

arcane awakening gems need a buff

Indeed, arcane gems should allows epic and legendary awakens only

[Americanarmy]

Indeed, arcane gems should allows epic and legendary awakens only

I agree


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[frapajuice]

Not complaining but i put 4b in ablaze set and other gears and still nothing good just says alot how bad these gems are, usually 3-4b you can make a nice op set but sts will run their “calculations” and say theres nothing wrong sad they ruined such a nice event.

[portgrace]

Look at all these +1 here https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?744911-Feedback-Empowered-Stones-of-Augmentation-(Elite-Awakening-Gems)&p=4179015&viewfull=1#post4179015

So what does STS do when the same people who commented +1 now say -1?

It's still funny. It turned out worser than losing your favorite meal. Game ruined.


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[asommers]

It will take a bit more time, but next step is for me to look at the entire distribution of enhancements acquired by players since the event started, but I don't suspect I'll find anything that differs from the simulations.

I sifted through all logs since the awakening event began, looked at all items that were awakened and every enhancement received, and did not find anything substantial that would indicate there are any issues.


Just see for yourself, you will keep on getting elite damage and boss damage nonstop


new awake system is so dissapointing, so hard to roll good awakes on 3 slot gears, got elite and boss damage everytime, and maybe thats why people are focusing on weapon only, hope there will be a change in the future about this

I tested with millions of enhancements via simulation and I didn't get 'elite damage and boss damage nonstop'. I tried in-game with several hundred gems and didn't get 'elite damage and boss damage nonstop'. I spent quite a bit of time doing enhancement analysis and elite damage and boss damage are on par with everything else available based on rarity.


2. Use 15 crack awake gem to craft normal awake gem. (duration 30m)(500g)

3. Use 13 normal awake gem to craft elite awake gem. (duration 1.5hr)(10,000g)

We looked at crafting the cracked from the fragments, but in the end decided to keep crafting blue gems. We have no plans to allow you to craft elite gems.


you need to buff Arcane Awake Gems chance for Legendary roll slightly. these gems should be better than elites because they are only available in awake event and are "Arcane" and cost alot more plat than elites

Arcane gems are better than Elites by completely removing Common enhancements.


x2 :/ add 50 gl with normal awake gem pls


Why are some awakes that were previously available with blue awakening gems now in the legendary category (50gl and 10ms on belt ring pendant arti and bracelet)?

Nothing should be missing from what was available previously. I'll have to take a look at this by comparing to what was available before the change.


Awakenings will now be per slot and can be SAVED OR BLOCKED.

Sorry, no plans to offer slot locking.


May the new arcana awakening gems only allow you to obtain epic and legendary.


Indeed, arcane gems should allows epic and legendary awakens only

Sorry, no plans to change the rarities offered with Arcane gems. We feel eliminating Common enhancements more than makes up for the price difference.

-ALS

[Rikochhan]

I sifted through all logs since the awakening event began, looked at all items that were awakened and every enhancement received, and did not find anything substantial that would indicate there are any issues.





I tested with millions of enhancements via simulation and I didn't get 'elite damage and boss damage nonstop'. I tried in-game with several hundred gems and didn't get 'elite damage and boss damage nonstop'. I spent quite a bit of time doing enhancement analysis and elite damage and boss damage are on par with everything else available based on rarity.



We looked at crafting the cracked from the fragments, but in the end decided to keep crafting blue gems. We have no plans to allow you to craft elite gems.



Arcane gems are better than Elites by completely removing Common enhancements.





Nothing should be missing from what was available previously. I'll have to take a look at this by comparing to what was available before the change.



Sorry, no plans to offer slot locking.





Sorry, no plans to change the rarities offered with Arcane gems. We feel eliminating Common enhancements more than makes up for the price difference.

-ALSWe did spend 2-3k arcane gems and didnt even get 2x 4% primary on speed set which is absurd. Before its obtainable on that amount of gems but seein those feedback also, i did think there was a bit problem on it.

Any updates on account rewards assom?

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[caabarader]

Look at all these +1 here https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?744911-Feedback-Empowered-Stones-of-Augmentation-(Elite-Awakening-Gems)&p=4179015&viewfull=1#post4179015

So what does STS do when the same people who commented +1 now say -1?

It's still funny. It turned out worser than losing your favorite meal. Game ruined.


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Remember that people said +1 or -1 for the new system of awakening(which allows u to get better awakens with elite gems even without awakening event) and not for the addition of more awakens, so no point of pointing it out.

[portgrace]

Remember that people said +1 or -1 for the new system of awakening(which allows u to get better awakens with elite gems even without awakening event) and not for the addition of more awakens, so no point of pointing it out.

It's still worth pointing it out hoping to see if what was asked can be delivered without the disappointment it served mate.
Is community a joke? Why take feedbacks or discuss or hide the whole story in discussion thread?



Nothing should be missing from what was available previously. I'll have to take a look at this by comparing to what was available before the change.


In below image all 50gl awakens are written legendary. They were all written Epic and then were changed to legendary in all the columns.
When asked, you pointed it out that Armor/helm awakens won't be epic and you changed it back to legendary.

Perhaps accidentally you changed them all to legendary instead of just armor/helm.

In other words, to explain it well,
What happened is, on the left most side is Armor/helm 50 gl legendary and there is only one instance of it in list on left most column. It was epic (so were all others in right side columns).
Rest of the 50gl which were epic were supposed to stay epic but were turned into legendary too. 50gl and 10ms awakens were available previously with blue awakened gems, and this needs to be turned back.

There may be more awakens like that which we missed and can be confirmed by you sir which may need a revert from legendary to epic.


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Even better would be to remove all common enhancements with blue gems and leave rare/epic because that's how it was

[drawfflerz]

before: just 2 gem, no add-on new enhancement= high possibility to reroll op enhance.

after: 4 gem, add-on many new enhancement plus 4 gem= lower possibility to reroll op enhance.

devs, simulation is not same as real. you can scroll all feedback from us. that is what we felt. the main good thing we had was only awake to arcane weapon only. it is hard to get legendary enhance to non-weapon + mythic even using arc gems.

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[Americanarmy]

before: just 2 gem, no add-on new enhancement= high possibility to reroll op enhance.

after: 4 gem, add-on many new enhancement plus 4 gem= lower possibility to reroll op enhance.

devs, simulation is not same as real. you can scroll all feedback from us. that is what we felt. the main good thing we had was only awake to arcane weapon only. it is hard to get legendary enhance to non-weapon + mythic even using arc gems.

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They dont care arc gems make no sense also haha


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[Rottings]

Whos idea was it to make Haste a possibility? Who wants that awake?

Also why am i rolling 1ms, 1 int, 1 dex, 1 str with elite gems??? those are common awakes fr, none of these shouldnt be in the awakening chance pool for elite gems

[AgentStonoga]

I sifted through all logs since the awakening event began, looked at all items that were awakened and every enhancement received, and did not find anything substantial that would indicate there are any issues.





I tested with millions of enhancements via simulation and I didn't get 'elite damage and boss damage nonstop'. I tried in-game with several hundred gems and didn't get 'elite damage and boss damage nonstop'. I spent quite a bit of time doing enhancement analysis and elite damage and boss damage are on par with everything else available based on rarity.



We looked at crafting the cracked from the fragments, but in the end decided to keep crafting blue gems. We have no plans to allow you to craft elite gems.



Arcane gems are better than Elites by completely removing Common enhancements.





Nothing should be missing from what was available previously. I'll have to take a look at this by comparing to what was available before the change.



Sorry, no plans to offer slot locking.





Sorry, no plans to change the rarities offered with Arcane gems. We feel eliminating Common enhancements more than makes up for the price difference.

-ALS

I refuse to believe that you actually did many tests, cause we can actually see it by ourselves. There are basically no new armors and accessories with at least 7% stats and 30% movement speed. Before we were able to roll these, but now it's near impossible, there are no new gears on forum or in game except weapons. You've added so many bad enhancements which drastically lowers the chance of getting good roll (except for weapons).
Normal awaks are doomed aswell - even if you bring back 50% gl and 10% ms, chance of rolling decent gl on venal or decent ms on ss is drastically lower cause of many new useless enhancements.

[Sulphurea]

Can you for god sake nerf these f elite dmg boss dmg awakes???? It's all i get all the time with every f gem i use! It's almost better using Blue gems cause once every 2839499339 awakes spawn a 2% dex! Cause with elites i'm not able to see it even by far! I swear there is no limit to the lies. All awakes should have same odds on any item and i refuse to believe that this is the case

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[Rikochhan]

I sifted through all logs since the awakening event began, looked at all items that were awakened and every enhancement received, and did not find anything substantial that would indicate there are any issues.





I tested with millions of enhancements via simulation and I didn't get 'elite damage and boss damage nonstop'. I tried in-game with several hundred gems and didn't get 'elite damage and boss damage nonstop'. I spent quite a bit of time doing enhancement analysis and elite damage and boss damage are on par with everything else available based on rarity.



We looked at crafting the cracked from the fragments, but in the end decided to keep crafting blue gems. We have no plans to allow you to craft elite gems.



Arcane gems are better than Elites by completely removing Common enhancements.





Nothing should be missing from what was available previously. I'll have to take a look at this by comparing to what was available before the change.



Sorry, no plans to offer slot locking.





Sorry, no plans to change the rarities offered with Arcane gems. We feel eliminating Common enhancements more than makes up for the price difference.

-ALS10 all on weaps, 50 gl on rest, 10 ms, are all missing. We spend already tons of blues, are we getting them back due to this?

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[Trulex]

some of these awake rarities are bad

mana shouldnt be a legendary awake

+damage is also overvalued


also buff to arcane awakes would be good

[arthurboyle]

will awakening with arc gems be possible after awake event ?

[Yuggernaut]

its not possible 750 elite awakening and not even a 5-6% stat in gears (no weapon)

its insane!! please test! and tell us how many elite awaks you used to be able to get more than 4% jesus christ!!...

[Americanarmy]

I refuse to believe that you actually did many tests, cause we can actually see it by ourselves. There are basically no new armors and accessories with at least 7% stats and 30% movement speed. Before we were able to roll these, but now it's near impossible, there are no new gears on forum or in game except weapons. You've added so many bad enhancements which drastically lowers the chance of getting good roll (except for weapons).
Normal awaks are doomed aswell - even if you bring back 50% gl and 10% ms, chance of rolling decent gl on venal or decent ms on ss is drastically lower cause of many new useless enhancements.

They act like adding new enchantments arent going to lower odds for other ones the more u add the bigger the pool is the harder it is to get other enchantments if there were only 2 enchantments to roll it would be 50% chance to get one of then if its 5 enchantments it be 20% chance to get one of the 4 enchantments but since theres over 20 enchantments types god knows how bad the odds are haha adding more makes roll worse


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[dreoelak]

Slot unlocking odds for standard awake gems are abysmal. I used more than 200 of them and only unlocked 2 slots (in one successful roll). With this low probability it will be impossible to unlock gear slots outside of the event without the use of a significant amount of elite gems. The difference between good awakened gear (which can only be done with plat purchased gems) and average one is already significant, but with the current unlock odds, the entire awake system is effectively softlocked behind a paywall.

[capeo]

I can understand that statistically things might be fine. However, what people are not happy about is the investment to return ratio. No one cares if someone got the best awake in 5 gems. They care they spent hundreds or thousands of dollars for junk awakes. Math isn't going to show how a person feels about spending that much for nothing. Granted some get lucky and get what they want, regardless of how much they spend. I can really see a difference in game with how unhappy people are. I know you live and die with a variable reward system but no one is going to like getting 0 return on a large investment.

[portgrace]

All new events ruined, check feedback.


Crates nerfed, locked behind a paywall but not worth the investment
Awakening ruined, locked behind a paywall but not worth the investment
Inventories/Crafting slots locked behind a paywall
New Character locked behind a paywall
Changing name locked behind a paywall
Bosses buffed and having good gear to compete locked behind a paywall
10 minute elixirs locked behind a paywall.
Getting 50gl on venal or basically high Gold loot locked behind a paywall
999x other things locked behind a paywall.

Things/bane items we already paid plat for were removed from inventory.


And tbh there is no problem it all being locked behind a paywall if it returned to something. No harm done in making money. No harm done for someone who gets an output for money, except there isn't.

It's just the way game works is plat users use it, sell things, make gold and save time.
Gold Grinders use time and waste their lives off to get a satisfying gameplay and give that gold to plat users.
That's how the system works, in harmony!

It's just inflation is higher now, because bosses buffed, need better gear.
Better gear needs elite gems and good awakenings.
Good awakenings come by only spending 10x more dollars than it was before.
Adding a 0 to real world cash means in game gold gets affected and reason of inflation behind prices in game economy too.

Meaning a f2p gold grinder used to grind 8 hours a day and now needs to grind 16 hours a day to get same experience.
And a plat user needs that much more gold to make it worth his while for using real world cash.

Now my question to STS is, you clearly understand all this, and yet 6 days into event we haven't seen any change happening so far even though feedback is tremendously negative except the computed simulations we have heard of because ofc u can run millions of simulations and the maths and code written for chance of awakenings won't lie.

But the problem is the new laws aren't going to help neither plat users or f2p guys.
So is this your last resort to extort as much money as possible or is that you are saying you gave up on your game and did expect everyone to leave?
Because everyone is leaving, i talk to my friends and half of them are leaving. Noone is interested in such an instable economy in game.
People who used to be online 24x7 have been offline in my friends, some barely coming 5 mins in 2 days now.

So if that's your plan that game is going to stay like this, please do tell me because i dont want to waste time or money too.
I had rather gamble on a poker game online and win more money or lose it all with knowing my chances than to give it to you for making my heart sick and sad of losing my money.

It's not even about the money, It's just time is also a commodity and i dont want to sit and wait until game is left with just plat buyers as f2p is dead and slowly one by one all plat users look at their faces and leave to better places too.

[drawfflerz]

All new events ruined, check feedback.


Crates nerfed, locked behind a paywall but not worth the investment
Awakening ruined, locked behind a paywall but not worth the investment
Inventories/Crafting slots locked behind a paywall
New Character locked behind a paywall
Changing name locked behind a paywall
Bosses buffed and having good gear to compete locked behind a paywall
10 minute elixirs locked behind a paywall.
Getting 50gl on venal or basically high Gold loot locked behind a paywall
999x other things locked behind a paywall.

Things/bane items we already paid plat for were removed from inventory.


And tbh there is no problem it all being locked behind a paywall if it returned to something. No harm done in making money. No harm done for someone who gets an output for money, except there isn't.

It's just the way game works is plat users use it, sell things, make gold and save time.
Gold Grinders use time and waste their lives off to get a satisfying gameplay and give that gold to plat users.
That's how the system works, in harmony!

It's just inflation is higher now, because bosses buffed, need better gear.
Better gear needs elite gems and good awakenings.
Good awakenings come by only spending 10x more dollars than it was before.
Adding a 0 to real world cash means in game gold gets affected and reason of inflation behind prices in game economy too.

Meaning a f2p gold grinder used to grind 8 hours a day and now needs to grind 16 hours a day to get same experience.
And a plat user needs that much more gold to make it worth his while for using real world cash.

Now my question to STS is, you clearly understand all this, and yet 6 days into event we haven't seen any change happening so far even though feedback is tremendously negative except the computed simulations we have heard of because ofc u can run millions of simulations and the maths and code written for chance of awakenings won't lie.

But the problem is the new laws aren't going to help neither plat users or f2p guys.
So is this your last resort to extort as much money as possible or is that you are saying you gave up on your game and did expect everyone to leave?
Because everyone is leaving, i talk to my friends and half of them are leaving. Noone is interested in such an instable economy in game.
People who used to be online 24x7 have been offline in my friends, some barely coming 5 mins in 2 days now.

So if that's your plan that game is going to stay like this, please do tell me because i dont want to waste time or money too.
I had rather gamble on a poker game online and win more money or lose it all with knowing my chances than to give it to you for making my heart sick and sad of losing my money.

It's not even about the money, It's just time is also a commodity and i dont want to sit and wait until game is left with just plat buyers as f2p is dead and slowly one by one all plat users look at their faces and leave to better places too.i remember that time i came up an idea for dev to put platinum (minimum 1 plat) as daily claim but they reject my idea...
so far as i played MMORPG games, they alway give their currencies as daily claim. except this one.

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[Americanarmy]

i remember that time i came up an idea for dev to put platinum (minimum 1 plat) as daily claim but they reject my idea...
so far as i played MMORPG games, they alway give their currencies as daily claim. except this one.

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Soo true


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[Susanne]

When the game was in it's infancy, they did a plat reward from klaas if my memory serves me well.
I have to agree with what most people are saying now. It does look like the game is not worth supporting anymore, I hope I'm wrong but the clues are there.
The events give nothing like they used to be. Events were fun and had something worth playing for whether it be furnishings, pets or vanities. People had a choice on how to play, housing, farming, merching. It was ok to purchase platinum because there was something good to purchase.
They gave out the "open house" because I reckon that's the last house we'll get and I can't see anymore locations on the horizon.
I'm beginning to wonder if we'll even get the veteran rewards we were promised.
Oh and why are you Devs so cold and abrupt?
It hasn't gone unnoticed that the once pleasant chat we shared as disappeared.
Is this the way you should be treating your loyal and valued customers? People who have supported you for years?
It doesn't cost anything to be polite but costs us real cash to feel like we don't matter anymore.

[portgrace]

leaderboards had plat in them, so well deserved!

opening crates had plat in them, check old crates

last years free vendor token currency chests had plat in them, example being goblin event currency chests had 30/50 plat in them besides ton of useless in game tokens.

With all that's going i am already seeing declining playerbase, they could have launched referral rewards based compaigns to invite new players to game.

They could have done 100 other things, but if you do not care about the game, we are seeing it already, but to confirm let us know

[portgrace]

and till now we didnn't see a revert of blue gems giving back 10ms/50gl. How long it takes to tally what was there earlier and what's not now?

It's like they wont either fix it or do it after awake event when we have lost more gold and gems will be gone from store.

[Americanarmy]

leaderboards had plat in them, so well deserved!

opening crates had plat in them, check old crates

last years free vendor token currency chests had plat in them, example being goblin event currency chests had 30/50 plat in them besides ton of useless in game tokens.

With all that's going i am already seeing declining playerbase, they could have launched referral rewards based compaigns to invite new players to game.

They could have done 100 other things, but if you do not care about the game, we are seeing it already, but to confirm let us know

Thats super smart referral rewards


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[portgrace]

Thats super smart referral rewards


and it wouldn't coost them anything too, but its true game is a sinking ship

[Learns]

You gotta change the awakening, spending billions for no awakes over 5% primary or 20 ms is a joke.

[Sue.]

if the simulations you’ve run say everything is great
and
negative feedback is nearly 10 pages long so far,

maybe one is less important than the other

[Candylicks]

I did something really nerdy (well started it). Once I am finished maybe end of week i can post what I find.

I took beast items listed in AH (equipment not weaps) and dropped into an excel file. I also documented the 3 awakes on each item that way I can begin to identify if there are really any patterns to our anecdotal reports that rolls seem to be leaning towards boss damage or elite damage. Mind you there is a large margin for error, as the AH does not capture if the awakes happened before or after the awake changes were deployed. Also, many OP awake items simply bypass the AH and are sold directly either via a forum post or spamming camp.

From the data I have looked at thus far, there is no predilection for elite and boss damage rolls like players suggested. The awakes are spread quite evenly among all awake possibilities. I'll build out the file some more if others are interested in the data. My mind feels a little better looking at this, as it supports what StS has posted in regards to awakes.

From a player perspective, we did not want the game to be flooded with OP awakes.... or did we? I think we went in hoping for a greater chance of those 8% and higher base stats using the arcane gems, but in reality these remain quite rare regardless of the gems you use.


If there is anything specific you would like me to try and glean from this activity please let me know.

[Sulphurea]

I guess cause the more tries you do, the more each possibility is even out, therefore with an infinite possibilities of awake you'll end up have same odds for all awakes. But realistically no player has an infinite use of gems, virtually sure but realistically each of us might use like1 or 2 k gems (assumption) so the different rarity of gems should provide us way more selection

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[Yuggernaut]

Asommer literally you test the new awakening "system" with us... awakening system in all items (except weapons) its working bad, no one cant reach double same awak of stat, speed, gl...

[portgrace]

If there is anything specific you would like me to try and glean from this activity please let me know.

Whatever nerdy thing you did only looks good on paper.

Do it with 10b gold and talk

p.s Really dont know what were you trying to do comparing same odd rarities with a maths equation as if maths gonna lie

[Candylicks]

Whatever nerdy thing you did only looks good on paper.

Do it with 10b gold and talk

p.s Really dont know what were you trying to do comparing same odd rarities with a maths equation as if maths gonna lie


To your first 10B comment= There is a bit of truth to this. I would be interested in documenting awakes as they happen. This is just tedious. You also likely do not need to spend 10B and would identify patterns using a much lower amount of awakes. I am done with awakes though.

The second comment- if we see items in AH with noticeably higher rolls of elite and/or boss damage as the community reported then perhaps we were onto something. But the data just showed awakes across the board quite randomly.

[Candylicks]

I guess cause the more tries you do, the more each possibility is even out, therefore with an infinite possibilities of awake you'll end up have same odds for all awakes. But realistically no player has an infinite use of gems, virtually sure but realistically each of us might use like1 or 2 k gems (assumption) so the different rarity of gems should provide us way more selection

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Agree. Rarity of gems isn't really giving us greater shot at OP awakes.

[Lolifee]

To your first 10B comment= There is a bit of truth to this. I would be interested in documenting awakes as they happen. This is just tedious. You also likely do not need to spend 10B and would identify patterns using a much lower amount of awakes. I am done with awakes though.

The second comment- if we see items in AH with noticeably higher rolls of elite and/or boss damage as the community reported then perhaps we were onto something. But the data just showed awakes across the board quite randomly.

just test it with elite gems yourself.. boss and elite damage is broken

[Candylicks]

just test it with elite gems yourself.. boss and elite damage is broken

I rolled many MANY times already. I will not be spending anymore on awakes and just buy what I need instead.

If someone is still rolling, it would be interesting to note what they roll.

[Sue.]

I did something really nerdy (well started it). Once I am finished maybe end of week i can post what I find.

I took beast items listed in AH (equipment not weaps) and dropped into an excel file. I also documented the 3 awakes on each item that way I can begin to identify if there are really any patterns to our anecdotal reports that rolls seem to be leaning towards boss damage or elite damage. Mind you there is a large margin for error, as the AH does not capture if the awakes happened before or after the awake changes were deployed. Also, many OP awake items simply bypass the AH and are sold directly either via a forum post or spamming camp.

From the data I have looked at thus far, there is no predilection for elite and boss damage rolls like players suggested. The awakes are spread quite evenly among all awake possibilities. I'll build out the file some more if others are interested in the data. My mind feels a little better looking at this, as it supports what StS has posted in regards to awakes.

From a player perspective, we did not want the game to be flooded with OP awakes.... or did we? I think we went in hoping for a greater chance of those 8% and higher base stats using the arcane gems, but in reality these remain quite rare regardless of the gems you use.


If there is anything specific you would like me to try and glean from this activity please let me know.

don’t waste your time, only evaluating things in ah, that can’t be valuable info as (like you noted) ignoring forums posts & being unable to quantify player to player sales via forums AND discord means ah is not an indicator of anything but auction

the fact that you say you won’t be rolling anymore says everything imho

[portgrace]

I rolled many MANY times already. I will not be spending anymore on awakes and just buy what I need instead.

If someone is still rolling, it would be interesting to note what they roll.
lol so u can run infinite simulations to practically say each outcome is same and idk why u had to open copy pen in excel to say that
dev already said it
and thats what people arent happy about
and u said it too, u dont wanna do infinite simulations with elite gems because thats not practical and costs actual gold
it doesnt cost anything on paper.
u should really drop whatever u were trying to do
awakening isnt broken, its nerfed and buffed both exactly enough to fill sts pockets

in simple terms,
u can roll the dice all u want, 1-6 is the values u get, and there will never be a pattern....
try tossing a coin if maths isnt mathing
cos thats how actual code works and noting them wont make any pattern cos there is no algorithmic pattern

[Candylicks]

lol so u can run infinite simulations to practically say each outcome is same and idk why u had to open copy pen in excel to say that
dev already said it
and thats what people arent happy about
and u said it too, u dont wanna do infinite simulations with elite gems because thats not practical and costs actual gold
it doesnt cost anything on paper.
u should really drop whatever u were trying to do
awakening isnt broken, its nerfed and buffed both exactly enough to fill sts pockets

in simple terms,
u can roll the dice all u want, 1-6 is the values u get, and there will never be a pattern....
try tossing a coin if maths isnt mathing
cos thats how actual code works and noting them wont make any pattern cos there is no algorithmic pattern

A little punctuation + spelling does help me understand what you are saying. Let me help you out....

You think StS is filling their pockets by buffing and nerfing, but they did not buff and nerf?

/scratchhead?

[Rottings]

100% honesty, they wouldnt let you know if they did or didnt, just like the eggzavier lockeds, spend enough an youll def notice if they did or didnt, buff or nerf

[thuzirr]

'How is 150 175 200 Mana a legendary Awake??

Most useless awake , should be common awake

[Oakmaiden]

You gotta change the awakening, spending billions for no awakes over 5% primary or 20 ms is a joke.

I laughed at it. Someone gifted me 5 of the “Arcane “ type. Rolled worse crap. So of course I didn’t bother with risking actual money.

[Yuggernaut]

no news about that no one is getting more than 4% in gears? hello sts?

[portgrace]

A little punctuation + spelling does help me understand what you are saying. Let me help you out....

You think StS is filling their pockets by buffing and nerfing, but they did not buff and nerf?

/scratchhead?

aww you poor thing why did you even approach it textbook style.

You think differently,
let me help you understand.

How Buff? you can see 150gl , 7% all or 7% primary stats etc. You can see there is 12ms an option now and 20% elite/boss damage exists too plus more legendary awakes which weren't existing earlier. There goes your buff

How Nerf? if odds were 1/20 earlier for getting something specific (lets say 4% dex can be rolled by an odds of 1/20) , now odds are 1/80 for same thing.

How it fills their pockets? Play the odds, you might feel its buffed and you will try to awaken those buffed stuff but you can't play the odds and its more of a nerf.

In more simple terms, if you want a gear with 8% primary stats, earlier you could roll 100 elite gems and get it. Now you roll 500 and you still might not get it.

Earlier it costs 500 plat (100elites x 5 each) with surity you will get something OP definitely because you played the odds and odds were in your favor.

Now it costs 2500 plat (500x5) and still no surity.

And like you said, you dont want to spend elites to note your stuff. Why? cos you aren't jeff bezos sitting on a pile of infinite money.

But if you did try to spend money and lose your money for trash, you will feel the anger

[caabarader]

How about the addition of 10% ms and 50% gl in accesories in the blue gem pool? It was available before and now isn't :/

[Yuggernaut]

Asommer please check gear impossible to get more than 4% stats with elite awaks, before was not like that, we are losing so many money

[Khairzad]

[QUOTE=Yuggernaut;4187137]Asommer please check gear impossible to get more than 4% stats with elite awaks, before was not like that, we are losing so many money[/QUO

thats the point, they added new gems for a reason

[portgrace]

thats the point, they added new gems for a reason

and thats whats hated and needs to be gone, whats your point?

[asommers]

Thanks for all of the feedback! Keep an eye out for future item awakening changes, if any!

-ALS