Feedback: Pet Evolution

[asommers]

Let us know what you think!

Feature thread is located here (link (https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?753549)) and event thread is located here (link (https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?753131)).

-ALS

[Rauigriu]

1. The color changes seem off. If you look at my hotbars it is now much more difficult to tell which gear Loadout is active.
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2. The colors designating the different item awakenings is not bad in theory but the colors are ugly and there is no way in hell I’m going to memorize which color belongs to which awake. Plus after going through the awake process I’m not sure how relevant it is to look at those colors for reference????
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3. The added search function on the stable view is great but can you give a little more detail on it? As you can see here, I put in the keyword Gold and the pets that were filtered are not all of my gold loot pets. Many don’t even have gold loot buffs in hb or aa.

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[asommers]

1. The color changes seem off. If you look at my hotbars it is now much more difficult to tell which gear Loadout is active.

You should be able to change the opacity of the hotbar in the options.


2. The colors designating the different item awakenings is not bad in theory but the colors are ugly and there is no way in hell I’m going to memorize which color belongs to which awake. Plus after going through the awake process I’m not sure how relevant it is to look at those colors for reference????

Colors are for the rarity of the enhancement, not the enhancement. You'll get use to it, they are the same colors used for the item names, filtering by rarity in the auction house, and stable.


3. The added search function on the stable view is great but can you give a little more detail on it? As you can see here, I put in the keyword Gold and the pets that were filtered are not all of my gold loot pets. Many don’t even have gold loot buffs in hb or aa.

It's supposed to search for keywords in any of the text descriptions. I'll verify that it does.

-ALS

[mklucasjt]

lol this not give 50%damage on pet or in mobs dont give dmg more stats , none add more none only give aps :3

[Dopein]

Is there a chance that the price of each evolution of arcane eggs can be reduced? Heroic evolution cost way less and its higher rarity than arcane, it should cost less in my opinion.


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[Titanium]

Remove the aps for this new feature.

200 lvl capped pets is way over our head.

This will break hc leaderboard and other leaderboards.

How HC which are casual spenders to progress further if you bring more stuff like this? This will make everyone to quit the game for good.

You took slots from vendors, vendors store are lacking gear, guaranteed loot gives you same item in row - arc helm. Prioritize vendors update rather than updating the game with aps which ca not be done easily and it costs you $. When the free stuff are coming?

Consider my suggestion, please.

[mklucasjt]

I didn't notice any difference in terms of pet damage to mobs when my status remains the same as before, obs I only increased the damage to 50% and nothing changed lol

[Warisall]

¿Did the event start? Asking because i don't see the quest NPC and the announcement has no "Play" button, only "Guide".

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[caabarader]

Can we have a increase in evolution shards limit? 10k seems more appropriate considering how many are used to put 1 pet at max level.

[Elec]

I asked it twice but didn't get the answer.

How does this evolution works with slotted egg in arcane ability?

For example,
If I evolve haste of H neigher to lv7 then slot H Pere in aa, will H Pere aa get the bonus too? Or only H neigher aa gets the bonus?

[dmqp]

As aps runner i say this:

- Trainers price/ amount required is allright.
- Pet buffs might be good with certain pets (bleed with 400% dmg buff), so this system has potential.
- Crafting fee per tier is allright for active players.
- Amount of shards required per tier is what i do not like. This aps will require so, so, so much gold/plat to complete.

If you can make shards lootable from campaign maps in good quantities, i will be satisfied. That is actually something i suggested yesterday and i got my answer. I am pinning my comment here, so it belongs to right thread. :-)

[Apocalyptis]

Hello, please add some level restrictions on pet tiers.
+400% of pet dmg on tier 7 is absolutely broken and it just destroys pvp balance on lvl1-3 and possibly on other levels as well.
Skeletops passive is already dealing a lot of damage without any tier upgrades, tier 7 boost results in instakilling everyone with a pet passive.

Thanks for looking into it, the damage trainer is just too op here.

[Elec]

I asked it twice but didn't get the answer.

How does this evolution works with slotted egg in arcane ability?

For example,
If I evolve haste of H neigher to lv7 then slot H Pere in aa, will H Pere aa get the bonus too? Or only H neigher aa gets the bonus?



And just upgraded my H Neigher to lv4 as a test, it says 10% arcane ability haste which should make 20sec cool down to 18 sec I believe, however it still takes 20 sec.
Am I missing something here?

[asommers]

Is there a chance that the price of each evolution of arcane eggs can be reduced? Heroic evolution cost way less and its higher rarity than arcane, it should cost less in my opinion.

Sorry, no current plans to chance this. Although Heroic is higher than Arcane, Arcane and Arcanite share the same rarity.


Remove the aps for this new feature.

Pet evolution will have APs, but we're waiting until Season 35 to release them. I'll ponder removing the 200 Tier 7 Pets achievement, but it's ok to have achievements that some players can't achieve.


I didn't notice any difference in terms of pet damage to mobs when my status remains the same as before, obs I only increased the damage to 50% and nothing changed lol


And just upgraded my H Neigher to lv3 as a test, it says 10% arcane ability haste which should make 20sec cool down to 18 sec I believe, however it still takes 20 sec.

I'll check it out.


¿Did the event start? Asking because i don't see the quest NPC and the announcement has no "Play" button, only "Guide".

Event starts at 17:30 UTC.


Can we have a increase in evolution shards limit? 10k seems more appropriate considering how many are used to put 1 pet at max level.

A 2k shard limit per rarity still allows you to evolve a pet from tier 6 to 7. We don't want you to hoard shards.


How does this evolution works with slotted egg in arcane ability?

Any slotted egg will get the AA haste bonus.


If you can make shards lootable from campaign maps in good quantities, i will be satisfied.

'Good' is subjective, but our loot strategy for shards is quite easy with events, mini-events, tier rewards, leaderboard rewards, etc.

-ALS

[Rauigriu]

Got it. ty for the clarifications. That makes a lot more sense now on item awake colors.

On the pets I put in a few keywords like gold, gold loot, haste and each time it brought in successful search results and non successful. Like you see mythic fatima on the list when I searched gold but 1. She goes t buff gold and 2 there’s no H Fatima which should happen on any lower level pet with a buff, the arc or heroic version has the same but better buff….

[Rauigriu]

Asommers no pet evolution chests r dropping from bosses

[Megatr0n]

beastmaster devolo at L1 . cant kill him can he be scaled to level plz


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[Rauigriu]

Nevermind my last post. Chests drop now that all quests r complete

[Stinker]

Did some testing with the evo ranking's down at low level PvP. the pet pretty much is 1 shotting at Pet Evo level 5 on pet proc. Is this correct?


https://youtu.be/GaRRlydewvk

Made a quick video showcasing it. Something needs a nerf though. I could only imagine level 7

[Warisall]

beastmaster devolo at L1 . cant kill him can he be scaled to level plz


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk¿Where did you fight him? Maps 2 and 3 of Backenridge and the guy is as feeble as any other Backenridge boss.

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[Warisall]

Something needs a nerf though. I could only imagine level 7

I made a comment on this yesterday, pet centric PvP (low lvl pvp) is cooked with pet evolution, just hope you guys still hang around for events.


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[Kebleer]

Please change something about low level in pvp, the pets 1shot, btw the way that you can only get em by BUYING plat doesnt seem fair

[Warisall]

¿Where did you fight him? Maps 2 and 3 of Backenridge and the guy is as feeble as any other Backenridge boss.

Sent from my LM-V600 using TapatalkYvon special skill melts health at lvl 1 (Had to chuck 37 potions to kill her), her attack is ok, its just the skill that feels too strong.

Note: My lvl has 400+ armor.

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[dmqp]

'Good' is subjective, but our loot strategy for shards is quite easy with events, mini-events, tier rewards, leaderboard rewards, etc.

-ALS
5 random shards from every shard cache chest would be good.

[OrgiinsAL]

Please nerf pet damage at low levels for PvP


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[|Ares|]

APS for this are actually worse than getting house slots, 150 heroic pets and 500 total pets combined. 200 pets is literally absurd at this point without spending entire paycheck on couple pets... let's be real here
On the other hand, on 200 chests I only got like 3 or 4 arcane/heroic shards, everything else was legendary/mythic. Is this rate really intended for it? Event will run for a week with these rates and again it's either swipe the card or wait until other event.
Even a huge platsale is not gonna help here. After years on top player Lb this is actually first time Im totally discouraged from even trying to contest it. 5000 Hedourah kills? Sure. Dropping 2000$ to get some pets evolved? I'll give up at this point.

[presp600]

Remove the aps or at least cut them down by a lot

Gold price is crazy

Shard drops for arcane and heroic are embarrassing

all the rarities of shards cost the same amount of plat

Remove the 1 hour cooldown from the chest dropping and make it a chance to drop from any boss at any time

[Blackkilll]

„but it's ok to have achievements that some players can't achieve.“ -asommers;
„Some Players“ that dont spend their whole salary into this game?

I‘ve been really hyped about the elite elder woods expansion. I grinded every day as much as i could, because it was fun to play. Even after achieving all the new aps besides hedo, i was still hyped to do my remaining aps. Until we got this new feature, no one really asked for. Like i said, i like the idea of making pets stronger, but the way you created this system is ridiculous.

I‘ve already calculated and commented on the preview post, but i will say it again: An achievement where i will have to pay probably 340k plat and sth like 2b, is not an achievement in my eyes. There is nothing to achieve besides spending money and gold.

If those aps will be released as they were announced, i will quit the game for good.

I/We want to see CHANGES in the price of those shards, aswell as the gold we have to spend to level up those pets and to rework those aps.

- Fudir

[Warisall]

¿Could the chests be lootable from other initial bosses besides Mother/Ghul?

I'm pretty sure that it takes longer for a Lv1 team to do the first Backenridge map than what it does for a 81+ to do Fly.

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[Negan]

chests gonna drops nonstop or only in this trash event? :(

[Learns]

The fact this aps is for plat only players is absurd, this game has become so pay to win it's not worth it anymore, good job STS you've ruined your game.

[Liacysheidl]

Low lvl pvp ruined thanks for that..:)


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[Sucr]

A feature to show the evolved level of your pet??! :D

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[Tojifushiguro]

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[Sucr]

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[Littletipsy]

Can you guys pls lowered the cost of gold to evolved for hardcore player it’s impossible for us to grind that much gold gonna take us 8yrs to max one pet.

[Lazybears]

Can you kindly add a features that how long is the cooldown left for us before we can continue farm the map? It is so hard to find out the time of the cooldown. Like add a small count down timer when we enter the map. like what the elixir did. So, we can have a clearer details on our farm.

[redfounder12312]

yes yes yes yes

[Voorge]

Some interesting statistic:
Getting 1 legendary pet to tier 7 took ~ 2,000 of your shard chests.

60-70m gold for 1 legendary tier 7

“Oh but you can farm them for free…”

you get around 100 chests per hour so approximately 20 hour grind for 1 legendary pet tier 7.

And top players are supposed to be getting 200 pets for aps (not only legendaries that are the cheapest option).

Actually hoping you’d ever put as much effort to the game as those top players that grind the silly aps’ you release lately.

[Ouch21]

Lower the platinum price for 100 evolution shard, its too expensive tbh, or atleast lower the required shard to level up

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[Lazybears]

how can you farm 100 chest in an hour? with the 1 hour cooldown, i don know we are able to farm that

[Voorge]

how can you farm 100 chest in an hour? with the 1 hour cooldown, i don know we are able to farm that

You simply rotate all maps
1 of each normal and elite

[Warisall]

Can you kindly add a features that how long is the cooldown left for us before we can continue farm the map? It is so hard to find out the time of the cooldown. Like add a small count down timer when we enter the map. like what the elixir did. So, we can have a clearer details on our farm.Put to craft a fortified jewel after you kill your first boss and another after you kill your last, remember the order in which you killed the ones in between, once your first jewel is crafted you know where to start and once the last one is you know if you did it faster or slower than before.

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[Lazybears]

You simply rotate all maps
1 of each normal and elite

Noted. smart move. thank you

[kingsfro]

Is passive ability haste of pet the auto attacking of ur pet or the actual buff the pet gives you like arcanite sapphire has a like a 60% chance on attacking to buff you with 35% damage stacking but this buff has a cooldown


so does the pet attack faster or is the cooldown of the pet passive ability like the damage proc of arc sapphire lower

[Elec]

Thank you for fixing it.

But Heroic pet arcane ability haste at lv7 is 25%. Then 20 sec of H neigher aa should be 15 sec not 16 sec.
I tested multiple times but it's 16 sec, which is 20% not 25%.
Tested with H Pere and it should be 11.25 sec but it's 12 sec.

Could you please check this again?

[kingsfro]

progress should not be lost when swapping trainers in pets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zulice zion]

Make legend shard and trainer lootable after event the rest can be keep as plat.

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[Megatr0n]

Thank you for fixing it.

But Heroic pet arcane ability haste at lv7 is 25%. Then 20 sec of H neigher aa should be 15 sec not 16 sec.
I tested multiple times but it's 16 sec, which is 20% not 25%.
Tested with H Pere and it should be 11.25 sec but it's 12 sec.

Could you please check this again?

hero pere at max should be 9 seconds cd


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[Elec]

hero pere at max should be 9 seconds cd


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Maximum you get is 30% with arcane pet haste. It won't be under 10sec.

[kingsfro]

progress should not be lost when swapping trainers in pets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is a scam!!!

[Megatr0n]

Maximum you get is 30% with arcane pet haste. It won't be under 10sec.

calculate 30% of 12 . the number you get . take that off 12


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[Elec]

calculate 30% of 12 . the number you get . take that off 12


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H Pere aa cd is 15sec. 30% of it is 10.5 sec.
I said it's not 11.25sec but 12 sec, which is 20% of 15sec not 25%.

Maybe you could just check your stable once before write it

[recilencia123]

I can see that some of the pet's passive skills have an internal cooldown, however after evolving them the haste does not reduce said internal cooldown, is this intentional or perhaps it needs to be fixed?
(I have tested with a pet evolved to max lvl)
Thanks.


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[Strrrrr]

Same experienced.. I tested with timer and haste doesn't lessen the Arcane Ability Cooldown nor haste in attack speed

[MasterSan]

I'm not aware about the passive ability..but haste cd in arcane ability is working properly

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[dmqp]

1.3k shard chests gave me 30 arcane shards. 130k chests would give me 3k arcane shards. It is not even 1 arcane pet at tier 7. Come on, make shard chests drop arcane/heroic/mythic/legendary shards with same % chance. These chests are useless or should be renamed to Legendary Shard Cache... 130k x 30k price is 3.9 bil gold. I get most of legendary pet to tier 7 done, but 0 arcane or heroic, while each rarity require 20x for aps. Daily login with 1 shard will take me century to get something done. Another Perfect System (APS) from you, but it should not be actual APS. 66k platinum for 20x arcane pets or 6.6 bil gold to get thiso ne aps done. Then there are heroic, mythic and legendary mentioned above. I do not remember i ever had this much gold together. For the first time i am playing with thought of quitting APS, because it is turning into something i do not like.

[PatD]

So far here is what i think,

I have bring my fav pet to damage tier 7, its OP but for this price i was expecting a bit more punch,

Also, like many have said, the APS for that are really crazy, maybe lowered it a bit?

And finally, instead of choosing only one kind of evolving i think it would have been lot more fun if we could evolve the same pet with many kind of training! Because we all know that almost everyone only use few of their pets so why couldn't we make our fav pet into something really op and useful?

imagine if we could bring our fav pet to tier 7 damage and tier 7 haste, now that would be OP!!! :D

[Ouch21]

Was wondering if the 100 evolution shards from store only available for 1 week event or still availabke after the event?

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[asommers]

beastmaster devolo at L1 . cant kill him can he be scaled to level plz

He's killable.


I made a comment on this yesterday, pet centric PvP (low lvl pvp) is cooked with pet evolution, just hope you guys still hang around for events.

We're going to try disabling pet evolution bonuses in PvP. If we get pushback, we'll need to think of something else.


Remove the aps or at least cut them down by a lot

Gold price is crazy

Shard drops for arcane and heroic are embarrassing

all the rarities of shards cost the same amount of plat

Remove the 1 hour cooldown from the chest dropping and make it a chance to drop from any boss at any time

The only achievement I'm considering dropping 200 Tier 7 Pets (but it will make a return at some point in the future). The rest will stay.

Although the shard rarities cost the same amount of Platinum, higher rarities require more shards.


A feature to show the evolved level of your pet??! :D

Pet tier icon added to avatar and inspect screens in the next client (app) update.


Can you kindly add a features that how long is the cooldown left for us before we can continue farm the map?

Sorry, no plans to add this.


Is passive ability haste of pet the auto attacking of ur pet

Yes.


progress should not be lost when swapping trainers in pets

As it stands now, you lose your progress, but we'll consider this. We would need to keep tier progress per trainer instead of per pet.


And finally, instead of choosing only one kind of evolving i think it would have been lot more fun if we could evolve the same pet with many kind of training!

We considered that before launch and it's still a possibility for the future. We do plan on releasing additional trainers at some point.


Was wondering if the 100 evolution shards from store only available for 1 week event or still availabke after the event?

The store shard kits are only available during the event.

-ALS

[|Ares|]

''The only achievement I'm considering dropping is 200 Tier 7 Pets (but it will make a return at some point in the future). The rest will stay''

Thanks for literally not listening to the community. This is just tiring.

[presp600]

He's killable.



We're going to try disabling pet evolution bonuses in PvP. If we get pushback, we'll need to think of something else.



The only achievement I'm considering dropping 200 Tier 7 Pets (but it will make a return at some point in the future). The rest will stay.

Although the shard rarities cost the same amount of Platinum, higher rarities require more shards.



Pet tier icon added to avatar and inspect screens in the next client (app) update.



Sorry, no plans to add this.



Yes.



As it stands now, you lose your progress, but we'll consider this. We would need to keep tier progress per trainer instead of per pet.



We considered that before launch and it's still a possibility for the future. We do plan on releasing additional trainers at some point.



The store shard kits are only available during the event.

-ALS

Just admit this is a cash grab lol. All these people complain and you aren’t gonna make any meaningful changes? Games dying but I can’t put a finger on it as to why hmmmm.

[iheartu]

please remove the APs or lower the amount of shards and cost per tier.

this is very discouraging

[Ouch21]

And why not putting the 100 shard kits in the store permanent if theres aps for that?

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[Switchback]

Whatever you do, do not start giving these out as event rewards.

[capeo]

I definitely don't want to remove the enhancements in pvp. It's literally the only pet I care about enhancing.

[caabarader]

As it stands now, you lose your progress, but we'll consider this. We would need to keep tier progress per trainer instead of per pet.

-ALS

Keeping the progress per trainer would be reasonable, wouldn't affect aps and would allow us to use the same trainer in many pets, +1!!

[Apocalyptis]

I definitely don't want to remove the enhancements in pvp. It's literally the only pet I care about enhancing.

Kindly respect that the trainer in pvp just destroys all low lvl pvp zones.

[Cinco]

Kindly respect that the trainer in pvp just destroys all low lvl pvp zones.

I would argue that Pet Evolution is akin to Awakenings - which are widely available for any level (including very low level) PvP zones... which are a suitable countermeasure to Evolved Pets.

Some on these forums believe that low level PvP was "destroyed" by Awakenings; but I suspect this is not true given the number of active players who engage in this activity.

Of course, you can't destroy something that is already destroyed... but maybe you are saying that the environment for < Level 5 PvP was actually fine 'til just the moment we introduced Evolution. I'd be very interested in your opinions on that. It could be that I am misreading the twink PvP commentary on the subject of Awakenings (and now Evolution).

[ogpurp]

I would argue that Pet Evolution is akin to Awakenings - which are widely available for any level (including very low level) PvP zones... which are a suitable countermeasure to Evolved Pets.

Some on these forums believe that low level PvP was "destroyed" by Awakenings; but I suspect this is not true given the number of active players who engage in this activity.

Of course, you can't destroy something that is already destroyed... but maybe you are saying that the environment for < Level 5 PvP was actually fine 'til just the moment we introduced Evolution. I'd be very interested in your opinions on that. It could be that I am misreading the twink PvP commentary on the subject of Awakenings (and now Evolution).


The new changes are growing on me and I enjoy bringing us back to old maps like we did in boss hunt for Arloria. This is super fun and had been able to help me achieve many achievements I otherwise may have overlooked. Thank you guys.

[capeo]

Pets, weapons, gear and awakes have all changed the dynamics in twink pvp. I can't even guess how many times it's been "destroyed" by one or more of those things. I'll also say if pvp was at one level it might actually be more active.

I have spend gold and real money to evolve my pvp pets. If it's taken out of pvp now I would want that back. It's fine if you take it out, that means nothing changed, I just don't want to waste my hard earned money. I have no intention of getting this ap or using the feature in pve.

[Elec]

Just has an update but the issue I address isn't fixed.
25% Heroic arcane ability haste isn't 25% but 20%.
20 sec cd became 16sec. Not 15sec.
Please look into this

[Cinco]

Just has an update but the issue I address isn't fixed.
25% Heroic arcane ability haste isn't 25% but 20%.
20 sec cd became 16sec. Not 15sec.
Please look into this

We should note that Haste works a bit differently for Pets (as opposed to Players).

If a Player were to achieve 100% Haste (which we do not allow due to a 'cap') they would have a zero (0) sec. cooldown for abilities. 100% Haste for a Pet would cut the cooldown time in ~half.

For your Pet, a 25% Haste for an AA that starts at 20 sec. should indeed be 16.

[iulicutu]

is the event daily quest not working? I did it yesterday and today it didn't reset
or is the preview post wrong with this: "Completing this quest will unlock a final [Daily] Quest to find a much tougher undead enemy, Yvon." and the quest isn't supposed to be daily?

[Cinco]

is the event daily quest not working? I did it yesterday and today it didn't reset
or is the preview post wrong with this: "Completing this quest will unlock a final [Daily] Quest to find a much tougher undead enemy, Yvon." and the quest isn't supposed to be daily?

We will take a look!

[caabarader]

The store shard kits are only available during the event.

-ALS

Are the trainers only available in store during event aswell?

Is the event going to be like awakening event which have a certain time from one to another(3 months, in the case of awakening) or there's no schedule defined?

[Elec]

We should note that Haste works a bit differently for Pets (as opposed to Players).

If a Player were to achieve 100% Haste (which we do not allow due to a 'cap') they would have a zero (0) sec. cooldown for abilities. 100% Haste for a Pet would cut the cooldown time in ~half.

For your Pet, a 25% Haste for an AA that starts at 20 sec. should indeed be 16.



You advertise it will give 25% but gave us 20% and I don't understand how this calculated by your explanation. Could you explain it again please?

[trueido]

We should note that Haste works a bit differently for Pets (as opposed to Players).

If a Player were to achieve 100% Haste (which we do not allow due to a 'cap') they would have a zero (0) sec. cooldown for abilities. 100% Haste for a Pet would cut the cooldown time in ~half.

For your Pet, a 25% Haste for an AA that starts at 20 sec. should indeed be 16.

Cinco that should have been mentioned before I bought platinum and evolved my pet

[Cinco]

You advertise it will give 25% but gave us 20% and I don't understand how this calculated by your explanation. Could you explain it again please?

It's designed to have a built-in cap of zero (0) seconds so we count up from there to the total number of seconds assigned to the cooldown. Therefore, if you add 25% to 16 you get 20 seconds.

I totally understand that calculating it in a manner different to how we do Player Haste would be confusing. Sorry for not calling this out specifically.

[Elec]

It's designed to have a built-in cap of zero (0) seconds so we count up from there to the total number of seconds assigned to the cooldown. Therefore, if you add 25% to 16 you get 20 seconds.

I totally understand that calculating it in a manner different to how we do Player Haste would be confusing. Sorry for not calling this out specifically.

I see.
Disappeared tho.

I understand player have multiple sourses to get haste so it makes sense to have cap. But pet has only one sourses to get haste. It seems awkward to have cap there and advertise it as 25% in description that lead to confusions.

Maybe consider to just change/add details to description

[Cinco]

Maybe consider to just change/add details to description

Since it's causing confusion we will consider reimplementing it so that it behaves just like Player Haste.


I understand player have multiple sourses to get haste so it makes sense to have cap. But pet has only one sourses to get haste. It seems awkward to have cap there and advertise it as 25% in description that lead to confusions.

The cap is a necessity. You cannot have a cooldown that takes less than zero (0) seconds :-)

If we set it up to work just like Player Haste, the Pet AA and Pet Passive Haste will have a similar cap so that everything works properly.

[asommers]

is the event daily quest not working? I did it yesterday and today it didn't reset

This is fixed in the next server (content) update.


And why not putting the 100 shard kits in the store permanent if theres aps for that?


Are the trainers only available in store during event aswell?

We're still working through the details on how to obtain trainers and shards after the event, but here's our current thought (not set in stone):

Bound trainers and shards for any rarity will always be available (Store button in the Evolution panel).
Legendary/Mythic Trainer/Shard Kits will always be available in the Platinum store
Heroic/Arcane Trainer/Shard Kits will be available in the Platinum store during Pet Evolution Events
Heroic/Arcane Trainer/Shard Kits will be available via a limited rotation similar to Crate Keys (couple of times a month)


-ALS

[Apocalyptis]

Hi! Thanks for your reply :)

I would argue that Pet Evolution is akin to Awakenings - which are widely available for any level (including very low level) PvP zones... which are a suitable countermeasure to Evolved Pets.
It might look like two similar things but it really is not so same. Even though awakens changed the PvP a lot, there was still a way to play and maintain balance on these levels. Problem is that these evolved pets just does not allow that.

You will get instakilled by a gearless player with a t7 pet - even though it’s you who has spent hundreds of dollars on awakenings. How does it make sense? It’s not fun when it only depends on who’s pet procs first and you can’t do anything about it.


Some on these forums believe that low level PvP was "destroyed" by Awakenings; but I suspect this is not true given the number of active players who engage in this activity.
Yes, it is true that Awakenings changed the PvP and made many people leave, it’s because they couldn’t afford keeping up with other richer players and it became too expensive for them. Although those who stayed massively invested in their gear, but these new evolutions on lower level are just too overpowered over all the awakenings. It is to that point, that it’s just a pet war. Check the video someone has posted earlier.


Of course, you can't destroy something that is already destroyed... but maybe you are saying that the environment for < Level 5 PvP was actually fine 'til just the moment we introduced Evolution. I'd be very interested in your opinions on that. It could be that I am misreading the twink PvP commentary on the subject of Awakenings (and now Evolution
My personal experience is from level 3-4 pvp that was actually very balanced until evolutions came. The awakens on this level worked perfectly in my opinion.

Evolutions might be a nice addition to endgame PvP and PvE, but absolutely ruins low level PvP, and that’s very unfortunate.

Feel free to check our gameplay in game with or without pet evolutions if anything’s unclear.

Sorry for a long read!

[|Ares|]

Since it's causing confusion we will consider reimplementing it so that it behaves just like Player Haste.



The cap is a necessity. You cannot have a cooldown that takes less than zero (0) seconds :-)

If we set it up to work just like Player Haste, the Pet AA and Pet Passive Haste will have a similar cap so that everything works properly.

Can we talk again about the APS part for evolving pets and how this literally proves nothing in terms of "achieving" something to stay on the leaderboard other than just another version of permanent account reward that guarantees a banner and badge for those that can basically afford to drop their paycheck on the game?
Why are you forgetting about the players that commit to play on basically a daily basis, you're not even trying to hide the fact that whenever someone is giving an actual gameplay update suggestions such as tradable Story Token kits you decide to put them in the store for money calling it a demand? How do you think this is not upsetting to people?

I'll be hitting 12 years spent in this game very soon and if you really can't see negative feedback about the "achievements" in regards of this update you can be sure that it will make committed players just drop it and move to treat the game as chatting app to see how the old friends are doing. Whenever players genuinely and literally ask for something to not be implemented you try to find the way to make business out of it and whenever there are some suggestions that could
probably improve the gameplay its the rinse and repeat "Sorry, no plans to do this".

Also, please, if I do say I'm tired it's because I probably care enough to play the game with friends but I can see this snowballing pattern heading towards the bad experience only whilst calling the cashgrab special an "event", vendors having stuff for real money currency in that "event" and the only updated thing about the "event" is the store

so yes

I'm tired of dev team not taking into accountability the feedback from people dedicated enough to give you that feedback because you make decisions not based on the Feedback section but on already pre-determined solutions.

That's all, thanks

[Geeple]

Can we talk again about the APS part for evolving pets and how this literally proves nothing in terms of "achieving" something to stay on the leaderboard other than just another version of permanent account reward that guarantees a banner and badge for those that can basically afford to drop their paycheck on the game?
Why are you forgetting about the players that commit to play on basically a daily basis, you're not even trying to hide the fact that whenever someone is giving an actual gameplay update suggestions such as tradable Story Token kits you decide to put them in the store for money calling it a demand? How do you think this is not upsetting to people?

I'll be hitting 12 years spent in this game very soon and if you really can't see negative feedback about the "achievements" in regards of this update you can be sure that it will make committed players just drop it and move to treat the game as chatting app to see how the old friends are doing. Whenever players genuinely and literally ask for something to not be implemented you try to find the way to make business out of it and whenever there are some suggestions that could
probably improve the gameplay its the rinse and repeat "Sorry, no plans to do this".

Also, please, if I do say I'm tired it's because I probably care enough to play the game with friends but I can see this snowballing pattern heading towards the bad experience only whilst calling the cashgrab special an "event", vendors having stuff for real money currency in that "event" and the only updated thing about the "event" is the store

so yes

I'm tired of dev team not taking into accountability the feedback from people dedicated enough to give you that feedback because you make decisions not based on the Feedback section but on already pre-determined solutions.

That's all, thanks

Also as a player of almost 12 years it sucks to see how pay to win the game has become, if you guys are just running the game into the ground and squeezing as much money from it as you can just say it so I can stop wasting my time playing this game


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[Voorge]

Can we talk again about the APS part for evolving pets and how this literally proves nothing in terms of "achieving" something to stay on the leaderboard other than just another version of permanent account reward that guarantees a banner and badge for those that can basically afford to drop their paycheck on the game?
Why are you forgetting about the players that commit to play on basically a daily basis, you're not even trying to hide the fact that whenever someone is giving an actual gameplay update suggestions such as tradable Story Token kits you decide to put them in the store for money calling it a demand? How do you think this is not upsetting to people?

I'll be hitting 12 years spent in this game very soon and if you really can't see negative feedback about the "achievements" in regards of this update you can be sure that it will make committed players just drop it and move to treat the game as chatting app to see how the old friends are doing. Whenever players genuinely and literally ask for something to not be implemented you try to find the way to make business out of it and whenever there are some suggestions that could
probably improve the gameplay its the rinse and repeat "Sorry, no plans to do this".

Also, please, if I do say I'm tired it's because I probably care enough to play the game with friends but I can see this snowballing pattern heading towards the bad experience only whilst calling the cashgrab special an "event", vendors having stuff for real money currency in that "event" and the only updated thing about the "event" is the store

so yes

I'm tired of dev team not taking into accountability the feedback from people dedicated enough to give you that feedback because you make decisions not based on the Feedback section but on already pre-determined solutions.

That's all, thanks

+1
Pet tiers are decent addition to the game but not the aps’ attached to it.
I’m not spending money on upgrade of hundreds of pets that I’m not even gonna use.
Being creative with aps’ really isn’t that hard and if you think otherwise maybe it’s time to visit suggestions category and respond with something else than “no plan to do this” as mentioned above.

[asommers]

Break in thread for latest server (content) update here (link (https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?753802)).

-ALS

[Elec]

Since it's causing confusion we will consider reimplementing it so that it behaves just like Player Haste.



The cap is a necessity. You cannot have a cooldown that takes less than zero (0) seconds :-)

If we set it up to work just like Player Haste, the Pet AA and Pet Passive Haste will have a similar cap so that everything works properly.

I totally understand why you want to have cap on pet haste too.
I just wanted to say it's only maximum 30% and nothing else to stack up so awkward to worried about being 0 sec.
Maybe you guys have another plan to add more features for pets I guess.

Anyways, thank you for the answers..


And I do think it's little too much aps there for pet Evo as well.
Heroic pet to lv7 costs about 300m, arcane pet about 400m, minimum.
Just for these 40 pets, we are talking about +14b.

While I can agree with 'it's OK to have some aps that's not everyone can afford' but these seem too excessive.
Please at least consider adjust the amount of pets and aps for the pet evo.

[Pizzahub]

Did some testing with the evo ranking's down at low level PvP. the pet pretty much is 1 shotting at Pet Evo level 5 on pet proc. Is this correct?


https://youtu.be/GaRRlydewvk

Made a quick video showcasing it. Something needs a nerf though. I could only imagine level 7

U think that insane wait till u see what lv 1 T7 arc Malthus does

[memphis]

can you make progress not reset when change trainer
keep tier level on pet
or keep tier level on trainer

[Kira_21]

Hi guys!
Just a quick question, Since Pet Evolution Feature was release, I've been searching for their Ap's(Which it shows on the Announcement Forum) But i can't see it on In-game Ap List. The question is, Where can i find them? Just Curious About it.

[caabarader]

Hi guys!
Just a quick question, Since Pet Evolution Feature was release, I've been searching for their Ap's(Which it shows on the Announcement Forum) But i can't see it on In-game Ap List. The question is, Where can i find them? Just Curious About it.

Those were postponed to the next season, so it not disrupt the progress of the current season.

[Kira_21]

Oh. I see why There is no Ap's for Pet Evolution. Now i knew. Thanks for the info.

[Rauigriu]

This is fixed in the next server (content) update.





We're still working through the details on how to obtain trainers and shards after the event, but here's our current thought (not set in stone):

Bound trainers and shards for any rarity will always be available (Store button in the Evolution panel).
Legendary/Mythic Trainer/Shard Kits will always be available in the Platinum store
Heroic/Arcane Trainer/Shard Kits will be available in the Platinum store during Pet Evolution Events
Heroic/Arcane Trainer/Shard Kits will be available via a limited rotation similar to Crate Keys (couple of times a month)


-ALS

Adding the Trainers/Shards kits to the monthly rotations is a decent idea however I wouldn’t want that to replace the Pet Evolution event from rolling around again for another week of chest collecting like this one. I believe it was said that similar to the Awakeenjng event, this pet evolution event would be recurring. Is that still the case regardless of any changes, updates, store additions listed here?

[Apocalyptis]

Hello, I know Asommers said that this is going to happen, however today when we wanted to play, this issue was still the same. “We're going to try disabling pet evolution bonuses in PvP. If we get pushback, we'll need to think of something else.”

Do anything, but don’t forget about it please. This stuff is unplayable. The problem lies in the insanely high base damage of the evolved pets. Also every damaging AA scales with base damage of the evolved pet, therefore it worsens the problem even more.

There are many solutions for that,.. make evolutions available only for higher levels,.. disable them in PvP.. or simply turn off the “pet part” and let players enjoy only the “player part” of the boost in PvP zones. (e.g. +10% haste, +12dmg) This way everyone would still be motivated to get evo7, but it wouldn’t ruin the zone at all. :)

Here is a showcase of three 1minute long videos, so you could somewhat understand why this is a bad thing and how it made the PvP unplayable from day to day.

Video 1: this is how a fight should look like.

https://youtu.be/ou6XJfSOudo

Video 2: this is how it looks like after evolutions were introduced, even though my gear is maxed (as on video), I cannot do anything to survive a pet attack that deals 10x more damage than actual players in this zone.

https://youtu.be/-3Z1C_4u-ms

Video 3: even just one stupid AA/single pet debuff can kill the very best geared player in this zone with no problem at all. Check how his HP melted down on AA usage. See the difference between non-evolved and evolved skeletops on second clip.

https://youtu.be/OvKakM2BzAk

As you could see, this just isn’t fun at all and more importantly it overnight totally ruined low level PvP.


Please, don’t let this be as it is now. Give us player bonuses, give us whatever,.. we will gladly pay for it, but please realize that we’ve all invested so much plat, gold and effort in our characters, that it’s a bit painful to “lose it” just with one update.
It’s the pet’s base damage that causes all these problems to show up. There’s something real bad when a pet has 10x higher damage than the actual player.

Thank you and sorry for this essay, though I hope it made some stuff clearer.
@Cinco @Asommers

[iulicutu]

This is fixed in the next server (content) update

the quest works as a daily now but it still doesn't appear at event quests until after you take it

[capeo]

The difference at end game pvp is negligible. How about remove damage and keep haste? Could remove both but then I wouldn't have evolved my pets at all. If plat was returned it makes 0 difference to me.

[asommers]

the quest works as a daily now but it still doesn't appear at event quests until after you take it

This is fixed in the next server (content) update.

-ALS

[Azitraozuci]

If a hc dies will they lose the levels on their evolved pets?

[Asthma]

the pet evolution broken balance in low levels that was maintained. Why didn't you limit to level? You should have made limited to levels at least pet revolution for keeping levels of balance.

[Kaziscate]

For the mini event, having only one shard drop from the chest doesn’t really make me want to farm bosses for shards. If it dropped random amounts of shards instead of only one measly shard, then I’d be more willing to engage with the mini event.

[THE GOLDEN KING]

Hello, I’m just curious what everyone’s personal opinion about pet Evolution is? Personally I think it’s cool and it’s a nice idea though it’s broken. Pvp under endgame level caps is almost dumb. Who’s ever pet is evolved to tier 7 with damage trainer is basically in “God Mode” I have Radyven as AA on pvp level 33. I won a 1v3 yesterday(no issues, *im warrior*). Against maxed out players all I had to do was spam Radyven AA since it’s an instakill pet. I understand sts hates pvp but a Lot of us players love pvp. It’s a reason why some of us still play the game.


What does everyone else think about the new update?

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[Tojifushiguro]

Needs to be a level cap added to these evolutions


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[nekomiya]

They should make it accesible for everyone... the price of everything is way too much.

[Tojifushiguro]

They should make it accesible for everyone... the price of everything is way too much.

Making it accessible still kills low level PvP , and makes higher lvl PvP except endgame much harder , lvl 1-15 PvP with 1k+ dmg pets is insane , more
Than the player itself , I feel like they didn’t think this through , sts need to go over this and use brains this time [emoji1374]


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[Kira_21]

Here's my opinion about these new feature
1. Only good for P2p's
As a free-to-play player, It is hard to get Evolution shards, Trainers. It takes 1 full week of grindin before we reach a tier 5(I don't know if this is the peak for Free-to-play) while Pay-to-play Players can easily get Tier 7 without spending time getting shards and trainers
2. Expensive
As a newbie, Will you afford the required gold for a tier? Of course not. Also F2p's Also can't afford these especially those who getting some better gears. These event is a Pay-to-win event
3. For only rich
This event or what we called New feature are for rich in the game.

Sorry for this but this event is against on Free-to-play Players.

[Oawaoebi]

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[Febz]

I hope the beastmaster permanent drops on the boss

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[caabarader]

When wiill pet evo aps be available?

[|Ares|]

When wiill pet evo aps be available?

Hopefully never because swiping the card isn't an achievement honestly

[Ovopapi]

The haste and damage tiers should be able to be switched around spending 300m plus for lv7 and to have to lose it because you want to have a different evolution is insane it should take like story tokens to switch around please fix this it’s always expensive enough.


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[capeo]

Can't wait until we have new op Pets and have to do it all over again. How many hundreds of millions is that each time we get a new pet?

[asommers]

progress should not be lost when swapping trainers in pets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


can you make progress not reset when change trainer
keep tier level on pet or keep tier level on trainer

This has been changed in the latest server (content) update (link (https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?757277)). Although you lose the trainer, tier progress is now kept per trainer type per pet allowing you to switch trainers at any time. A future client (app) update will allow you to see what trainers your pet has trained.

-ALS