Feedback: Mythic Star Beast Bow/Gun/Hammer

[asommers]

Let us know what you think!

-ALS

[arcanelengends]

I tested and found that I can use neptaris at the same time as proc, I use hammer sb proc and it works at the same time as proc 2 proc, just want to ask is it a bug or not?

[dmqp]

Sb Hammer
1st part of the proc can be used vs minions in combination with Rusk Blade. It is very effective with 300% dmg buff although i find Sb Shield or Kraken aegis better vs minions.
1st + 2nd charged attack turns this weapon in alternative to Kraken Sword. It is good, but i prefer shorter cast time of kraken sword.

I have to say i would buff DOT part of the proc. Other thing i would change is price of it, but that is something players decide. :-)

Looking forward to see Arcane 86 weapons for warrior class. :-)

[Ss1995]

Hello, can you please reconsider SB bow stats or proc atleast? Bow has really bad proc, and stats are worthless, damage is much worse than chakrams, and dps difference is low. Dont see any use of this bow except to proc cosmic buff. I have tried it for mobs, for proc, for dps after krak bow/ dagg proc.. It does way worse than daggers or chakrams.. Thanks!

[Ss1995]

Bow proc is pretty much useless. Stats are much worse than SB chakrams and daggers. (Low dmg and dps) Consider changing proc or giving big buff to base stats od weapon. It does much worse on boss and mobs than chakrams/daggs- as alone proc or after krak proc even. Seems it could be ok for mobs, but if it didnt need charging for 3 target hit. Please consider buffing the bow, because atm Sb Chain and Hammer/ Rusk Gun and Blade are much better then rogue weapons. Thank you in advance!

[Lazzer]

I don't even know what to say about the bow to be honest. Clnco mentioned in a thread that the bow might be a step towards enhancing Rogue clear and overall effectiveness in endgame maps. But right now Kraken Daggs + Armour + SB set with Rusk or without Rusk seems 10x more effective in it's clear. The bow seems to have no actual use in game. Or maybe I'm mistaken. But that's my opinion right now.

[trueido]

The sb bow damage is so low its crazy
It can barely kill hauntlet mobs

[Ss1995]

After krak combo for clear chakrams do much much better (wont mention rusk) weapon has no value rn.

[XOLEA]

Please, consider doing something about the bow. The overall effectiveness is just so disappointing and it currently doesn’t even come close to other Star Beast weapons.

[XOLEA]

I will hereby quote the user “Lazzer” on their reply in one of the General Discussion threads and I completely agree with their view here:

“I feel like what's going on right now with the Rogue class is that there is no one actually trying to use it from the developers end, and run Elite maps and other tough maps to test the effectiveness of the class in comparison to the other 2 classes in game. I completely am against benchmarking a class through comparison. Since all classes are amazingly unique and fun. But there seems to be no other way to help you guys understand that the Rogues clear is overall slower/sluggish with endgame gear due its lack of AOE and defensive attributes.

The Star Beast Bow as you mentioned here was a slight hype before it's release, to be honest, but after using the weapon and then re-reading this OP and this thread and your comment, I honestly feel like the Rogue class is just lacking due to a lack of testing and comparison to the other 2 classes. The bow does not help in any way whatsoever in helping with the clear speed.

I still prefer the Kraken Daggs + SB set bonus and proc with Rusk over the SB Bow and I'm sure many Rogues would feel the same way. The clear right now with the bow is just not viable with the charge and random targeting of mobs regardless of how it may hit 3/6 targets per charge. I honestly urge any one to test the bow in Elite Indigo by trying to clear the full right side in one proc. The Kraken Daggs + Kraken Armour + SB Set Bonus with Rusk enables the full right side to be cleared in one proc btw.

Please consider adding a defensive attribute to razor shield in PVE and buffing AOE slightly perhaps through a better proc or a larger proc radius on any weapon in the future. I totally understand that these suggestions may take time to implement. But at least if Devs give us some hope that we can see such changes there will be some reassurance with investing more time and gold into this class.

Thank you for reading. It's a bit detailed but it's all for a good purpose.“

[Nerffer]

The bow is a dissapointment, overall damage of 5s star beast bow proc is equivalent to one rogue aimshot.

[Xblok]

I hope the developer can fix sb bow. Because in my opinion the SB Bow doesn't do any damage at all.

[Megatr0n]

buff the sb staff . worse weapon of all time , add 500% dmg to proc


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[Candylicks]

I love you StS but what the actual heck is this bow?

Go shoot someone in PvP because it actually misses almost every time.

This bow has no damage in mobs in anything above level 10 mobs. It is unusable on a boss.

The animation makes no sense. What planet would you fire a bow, do 3 spins in the air, then pray a lightning bolt comes down from the sky? Not to mention waiting for this magical lightning bolt your entire team has finished said map already.

Rogue is by far the most replaceable class in the game. We have no niche, nothing special. Everything we do can be done better and faster by a war or mage.

I am pretty sad I spent money on opening crates for this. I love this game and I love supporting you guys, but you did not test this weapon it's not even close to something usable.

[Candylicks]

Please, consider doing something about the bow. The overall effectiveness is just so disappointing and it currently doesn’t even come close to other Star Beast weapons.

it's a toy. A vanity weapon that you fire and do some spins.

Want some extra fun? Go TDM with your buds and fire at them. It misses!

[Switchback]

Only tried the hammer. It's fine. Why don't we finally update procs already so gameplay has a little sustenance to it.


I mean, that's why the bow sucks so bad.. right? And that's why warrs get 200% more damage on their new wep? When is the proc update......?

[Cinco]

I tested and found that I can use neptaris at the same time as proc, I use hammer sb proc and it works at the same time as proc 2 proc, just want to ask is it a bug or not?

That is definitely a bug - and we'll get it sorted out as soon as possible.

My guess is that you aren't seeing the 'weapon cooldown' icon on your screen when the Hammer proc activates?

[Cinco]

I love you StS but what the actual heck is this bow?

Go shoot someone in PvP because it actually misses almost every time.

This bow has no damage in mobs in anything above level 10 mobs. It is unusable on a boss.

The animation makes no sense. What planet would you fire a bow, do 3 spins in the air, then pray a lightning bolt comes down from the sky? Not to mention waiting for this magical lightning bolt your entire team has finished said map already.

Rogue is by far the most replaceable class in the game. We have no niche, nothing special. Everything we do can be done better and faster by a war or mage.

I am pretty sad I spent money on opening crates for this. I love this game and I love supporting you guys, but you did not test this weapon it's not even close to something usable.

We'll take a look - not sure if something happened to the damage during testing but it was pretty powerful (compared to the Daggers... which should be more powerful due to the range limitation) - but the damage should be formidable.

Not sure what's going on with the 'misses,' but we will get that sorted out also. Update: the bow charged attacks can be 'dodged' but aren't allowed to 'miss.'

Thanks!

[Kinggg]

I tested star beast bow and i think its proc is insufficient and weak compared to other weapons (especially star beast hammer). I heard the same thing about star beast gun. I kindly ask to review it for rework. Thanks.

[trueido]

I agree
However I must say that the mechanic of the bow proc is cool and fun to use, but the damage numbers are so so low, 76 arcanes do more damage than that, 81 mythics do more damage than it as well

[Candylicks]

We'll take a look - not sure if something happened to the damage during testing but it was pretty powerful (compared to the Daggers... which should be more powerful due to the range limitation) - but the damage should be formidable.

Not sure what's going on with the 'misses,' but we will get that sorted out also. Update: the bow charged attacks can be 'dodged' but aren't allowed to 'miss.'

Thanks!

Thanks so much. We will all be waiting for this update.

[Gold please]

Please buff star beast bow please.. the proc are kinda useless. Make it a bit usefull please .. ty


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[XOLEA]

I seriously hope you’re gonna do something about it because this might singlehandedly be the worst of all other Star Beast weapons and it was supposed to give Rogues at least *some* edge in the current meta.

[anaktokdalang]

can someone give feedback on sb gun

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[arcanelengends]

That is definitely a bug - and we'll get it sorted out as soon as possible.

My guess is that you aren't seeing the 'weapon cooldown' icon on your screen when the Hammer proc activates?

Yes! I checked, for kraken sword + sb hammer there are no 2 cd icons, but I checked and it still applies 300% damage and has a proc effect of a set beam over time, with Neptaris + sb hammer there will be 2 cd icons. And finally I hope the new weapon works like that, it will be very interesting, although it deals a lot of damage but takes a lot of manipulation to achieve, hope the developer will not nerf it or be gentle. Thank you very much!

[trueido]

We'll take a look - not sure if something happened to the damage during testing but it was pretty powerful (compared to the Daggers... which should be more powerful due to the range limitation) - but the damage should be formidable.

Not sure what's going on with the 'misses,' but we will get that sorted out also. Update: the bow charged attacks can be 'dodged' but aren't allowed to 'miss.'

Thanks!

The damage is just super low
In comparison to the Sb daggers =
SB daggers does millions of damage to mobs and boss
While my bow does 40k -80k damage hit on mobs and boss

[Cinco]

Yes! I checked, for kraken sword + sb hammer there are no 2 cd icons, but I checked and it still applies 300% damage and has a proc effect of a set beam over time, with Neptaris + sb hammer there will be 2 cd icons. And finally I hope the new weapon works like that, it will be very interesting, although it deals a lot of damage but takes a lot of manipulation to achieve, hope the developer will not nerf it or be gentle. Thank you very much!

Thank you for the response!

We found the issue with the Star Beast Hammer and will be testing a fix for it shortly.

[Cinco]

The damage is just super low
In comparison to the Sb daggers =
SB daggers does millions of damage to mobs and boss
While my bow does 40k -80k damage hit on mobs and boss

You are correct - the Star Beast Bow damage is too low by comparison.

To be clear: it should be lower than the daggers 'cause the daggers require you to be in close proximity to your target - assuring that you'll take damage and increasing the risk that you might die. However, the Bow Damage is set incorrectly. I think this happened during testing (my fault for this) and it will be addressed very soon!

Thanks for the feedback! :-)

[MaAaT]

can someone give feedback on sb gun

Sent from my 2311DRK48G using TapatalkVery low. I tested on super badly equiped mage. It did 20 to 30% of normal fly hp, while my hyperos can kill it right before proc ends.

[Youraveragemage]

Sb gun damage is very low, i deal more dmg with lv 81 mythic weapons

[Cinco]

Very low. I tested on super badly equiped mage. It did 20 to 30% of normal fly hp, while my hyperos can kill it right before proc ends.


Sb gun damage is very low, i deal more dmg with lv 81 mythic weapons

We'll take a look.

Just so you know: it is not meant to overtake the Staff in terms of raw damage; it's main thing is stripping your target of damage potential (by nerfing it by upwards of 75% in PvE).

That said, I am pretty sure now that I created a problem with the damage formulae during testing (which we already found with the Bow) - so a buff to the Shock Cannon Damage is definitely coming ;-)


Very much appreciate the feedback!

[asommers]

Break in thread for the latest server (content) update (link (https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?754286)).

-ALS

[anaktokdalang]

can anyone give feedback about sb gun after buff

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[|Ares|]

Now if could you fix unintended proc stack of the Star beast hammer with other kraken weapons that would be great ^^

[mklucasjt]

obrigado por torna hammer star inutil lol

[mklucasjt]

thanks for making Hammer Star useless haha

[Wortwechsel]

LoL StarBeast Hammer Proc is weaker then Krak Sword . ????.

[HaMuD]

LoL StarBeast Hammer Proc is weaker then Krak Sword . ????.


yeah when i proc with star beast hammer and switch to damage set the damage is too low

[Wortwechsel]

Starbeast Hammer Proc is WEAKER then Kraksword. And the "second" charged attack is useless :(. Pls make it as n normal attack .

[maniqqa]

Hammer is useless now i guess. Previously i can do gavel attacks non stop. just charge attack on every mob. thought it was a new feature seeing how it doesn’t have a cooldown stated on its description. “Beast Hammer” and “galactic gavel” are one proc it seems.

[Wortwechsel]

Ye now Sb HAMMER is Useless . 300m goes to..... The Toilett .

[maniqqa]

LoL StarBeast Hammer Proc is weaker then Krak Sword . ????.

it definitely is weaker lol. maybe they should include a 75% armor debuff on its proc or make the damage stacking. :triumphant:

[Wortwechsel]

Now is SB HAMMER Useless :D :D its funny to see how i lost my hard earnded Money .irony off.

[anaktokdalang]

can anyone give feedback on sb gun after buffed

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[maniqqa]

the hammer is butt cheeks bossman. atleast make it have armor debuff or damage stacking on the proc. the “galactic gavel” should also be a separate proc from the “beast hammer” proc (stacking fixed already) that way it can still be used like the mini neptaris it wants to be.

[FilthyCustard]

Hammer feels extremely lackluster..

[caabarader]

Aren't the sb weapons supposed to be like that? I mean, thought everyone knew that kraken weapons are better than sb In terms of procs, same happened with the others 6 sb weapons, so I believe this is intended.

[anaktokdalang]

Aren't the sb weapons supposed to be like that? I mean, thought everyone knew that kraken weapons are better than sb In terms of procs, same happened with the others 6 sb weapons, so I believe this is intended.they think that is arc 86 lul

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[MaAaT]

can anyone give feedback on sb gun after buffed

Sent from my 2311DRK48G using TapatalkWith my bad gear I now do 40 to 50% of normal fly as compared to 20 to 30% prebuff. In comparison I do double damage with hyperos and can kill fly.

[caabarader]

they think that is arc 86 lul

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That's the only explanation lol, I mean, it's the third sb weapon "expansion" and there are still people thinking that those weapons were designed to be better than kraken...

[anaktokdalang]

That's the only explanation lol, I mean, it's the third sb weapon "expansion" and there are still people thinking that those weapons were designed to be better than kraken...thats what i mean

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[MaAaT]

That's the only explanation lol, I mean, it's the third sb weapon "expansion" and there are still people thinking that those weapons were designed to be better than kraken...Ikr imagine if 81 mythics outperformed 76 arcanes xd

[Megatr0n]

fix star staff . so weak


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[mklucasjt]

Why is only the mage's orb stacking? Even after procing Staff Kraken it continues to proc, they removed the proc from Hammer Star stack but buff Orb Star?

[Ss1995]

Bow range is small, seems it has less range than rusk bow, especially while running..

[recilencia123]

Why is only the mage's orb stacking? Even after procing Staff Kraken it continues to proc, they removed the proc from Hammer Star stack but buff Orb Star?

lol check details xd


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[Deathlyreaper]

Hello Devs,

I know there was recently an update to increase the Bow’s damage but I don’t know if it has been applied properly as it is simply far too weak. Check out the following comparison with Kraken Bow on Orrick LB

Kraken Bow (Proc Damage Only)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240928/48788203975ec5bb3ecb48d4d2015633.jpg

Kraken Bow (Proc Damage + Skill Use)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240928/87a0f5d7ea9853d1d673e9ed7a88dba3.jpg


Star Beast Bow (Proc + subsequent Basic Attacks)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240928/8bbe83fa7110850ecfe46b88a70556e4.jpg

Star Beast Bow (Proc + Skill use)
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240928/74e613c3f7cb6a1372794f73ec1ad7a7.jpg



The difference between these two weapons are too big. What’s even funnier is that the Star Beast Bow gives more stats. see Below

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240928/01c83892454efec6b06cb6d307557673.jpg


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240928/36e999dfc150067ccda01bd3267900e7.jpg


Earlier Cinco mentioned that the SB Bow could be used in mob clearing but its mechanics is simply too inconvenient with having to charge the weapon. The current SB Daggers and Kraken Daggers outperforms it in mob clearing. As for Boss Damage well the screenshot shows how weak it is. I dont have SB Chakram but if I were to guess the Chakram can beat it especially because the Chakram is affected by haste and so we can capitalize on the "subsequent standard attacks deals more damage" as stated by the weapon description.

Speaking of subsequent attacks, it's honestly so laughable (not really im crying on the inside) when I see that description on the bow. Or when I see that a bow weapon relies on subsequent basic attacks as its main mechanism for dealing damage. You designed the bow so that haste doesnt affect it, which means we can't even capitalize on that mechanism and adjust our playstyle! This weapon had so much potential to be better on mob clear if haste affected it (since it hits 3 mobs), but it's a waste.

I think this weapon was designed to balance both mobs and boss but it just ended being too weak for either. What could make this weapon unique and useful is if you include a damage buff on the proc similar to SB Hammer. It's weird how none of the SB Weapons for rogue give a stat boost for its proc. I know it's too late to change the previous ones but this one could still be saved. You could also increase the DOT Damage of the proc to be comparable to Kraken Bow at least.





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[Encryptions]

I kind of expected them to atleast make the bow's base stat for damage higher than the chark / daggers but it doesn't even do that.

[Candylicks]

Yea you are not wrong. Bow buff did not make it usable.

[Rauigriu]

Any additional info regarding How the Hammer and SB gear stack now? I thot weapon procs do not stack……???

[Switchback]

Update kraken procs so people understand what you are doing. Some time ago you said proc nerfs were coming Soon. When....? Let's move on already man.

[Fbrte]

The performance of the Hammer is still lower than the Kraken SWOR
Shouldn't a weapon that is superior to the old one do more damage?

[Ifeast]

Any additional info regarding How the Hammer and SB gear stack now? I thot weapon procs do not stack……???

Weapon procs stack, that's why people use Kraken then swap to SB for the 7/6 CK buff. So it would be the 300% Damage from the Hammer then 200% from the 7/6 CK buff for 500%

[Rauigriu]

Weapon procs stack, that's why people use Kraken then swap to SB for the 7/6 CK buff. So it would be the 300% Damage from the Hammer then 200% from the 7/6 CK buff for 500%

I understand the switch and added buff. I use it all the time. My question is stacking procs, not stacking proc + buff. In the original post about the content update the first item specifically said stacking proc

[caabarader]

I understand the switch and added buff. I use it all the time. My question is stacking procs, not stacking proc + buff. In the original post about the content update the first item specifically said stacking proc

It does says "stacking proc" but you have to read the whole phrase:
+ Fixed Star Beast Hammer proc stacking issues
What happens is that the hammer was stacking with other weapons(which wasn't intended) and now is fixed.

[tripexxx]

Star beast hammer needs some sort of buff , feels weak , can't even kill mobs with it like i do with a kraken aegis or sb shield, nor does it do any good damage to bosses.

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[Snaptubepro]

tried all new mythic.
Hammer 1st. op asf.
Bow 2nd
Gun 3rd.

Bow and gun need buff in my opinion. especially the gun.

[Megatr0n]

try sb staff . worse than all 9 pieces


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[anaktokdalang]

sb gun and staff need to buff sts hear us pls, why the gun not op as hammer that give so much buff

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[Snaptubepro]

i just tried
i)kraken gun+krak armor
ii)sb cannnon+krak armor

and guess what, hyperos+krak armor is better than sb cannon. not to mention krak gun+armor which is better than the two combo mentioned. What a joke this NEW mythic xD.

or the role for this cannon is only for dps? (which almost as op as rusk dynamo gun)

buff +300%dmg just like hammer

[anaktokdalang]

i just tried
i)kraken gun+krak armor
ii)sb cannnon+krak armor

and guess what, hyperos+krak armor is better than sb cannon. not to mention krak gun+armor which is better than the two combo mentioned. What a joke this NEW mythic xD.

or the role for this cannon is only for dps? (which almost as op as rusk dynamo gun)its for damage, the damage similar like sb staff even thought the damage shown on the detail higher than sb staff , already test with 4k int set 7/6 sb, cant pass e hedo with it , but guess what, i can pass elite hedo with 3.4k int using rusk, so rusk gun better

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[Xcwarrxc]

sb hammer takes forever to charge, its like a kraken sword 2.0 but more useless

[Snaptubepro]

its for damage, the damage similar like sb staff even thought the damage shown on the detail higher than sb staff , already test with 4k int set 7/6 sb, cant pass e hedo with it , but guess what, i can pass elite hedo with 3.4k int using rusk, so rusk gun better

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to sum it up, the gun proc close to useless then xD.

[anaktokdalang]

to sum it up, the gun proc close to useless then xD.this 100% useless

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[Xcwarrxc]

all new sb weap are useless

[anaktokdalang]

buff the gun, why always make war stuff op

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[Megatr0n]

buff SB STAFF

when normal attack reduces 50% armor . when charged reduce 75% armor . can add an aoe or something to clear mobs . doesnt clear nothing


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[Snaptubepro]

all new sb weap are useless

were meant to xD

[Snaptubepro]

buff the gun, why always make war stuff op

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not just in term of power, for vanity war is way cooler than mages xD... i mean have u ever compare the vanity sword and a literally-just-a-stick vanity of mage everytime theres event? xD i once cried laughing at the vanity staff when it just a stick and war and rogue got cool vanity weapon design. but its okay, i know it just a game...doesnt affect my lifestyle but probably some fun :D.

[capeo]

I do the same damage with neptaris that I do with the hammer. I see why it's cheap now.

[capeo]

Also, it is absolutely useless in pvp. Went a full match with 1 proc and missed the target completely on most of my charged attacks. Whatever was going on with it just missing is still happening.

[tripexxx]

Buff all the new sb weapons , let them be enjoyable to use , they all seem weak [emoji17]

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[Snaptubepro]

the reason why all of their proc are weaker than hyperos, nepta, marianos, krak bd weapon is because sb proc doesnt add stacking dmg. (hyperos doesmt add stacking dmg yet more op than sb, dev try it urself)
so if dev were to "buff" only the damage from proc, it'll surpass hyperos dmg, but still weaker than kraken bd.
so the solution here is to buff the proc with either +%N stacking damage/proc damage(better than hyperos) or both.
but if the sb gun&bow were meant only for base damage, what can we do xD. Lets just wait for new arcane (in which i hope better than hyperos+kraken armor proc :D)

[mklucasjt]

the orb star is proc with kraken staff. . .

[Wortwechsel]

Pls Buff the new SB Weapons. Make the Dmg % stackable on Hammer like Krak Sword does(or Arm Debuff ect...) .
Dont ignore the Feedback Thread and your Community because there is enough Evidence,Vids and Feedback from us to Prove the Truth about that.
Buff this Wepons . Ohterwise theres Useless and a brazen Scam .

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[Killyxan]

Hello devs

So currently the new star beast weapons are performing pretty bad lvl 81 weapons (mythic and arcanes) are outperforming the latest weapons this is how you can fix them by some buffs and new changes

First of all let’s start with the war weapon

Current state of the star beast hammer:

it does low dmg on bosses and the auto attack after the proc does little to no dmg on bosses and mini bosses

Fix for the star beast hammer:

-The damage should be stacking damage from the proc (300% stacking damage)

-damage over time should be way higher in % currently kraken sword does way more damage over time than the star beast hammer

-hammer should also have armor debuff by 80% in pve and 55% in pvp

-the follow up attack (auto attack after the proc) should do way more damage than it currently does I’m talking about more damage than neptaris on boss which means 8-9m damage minimum per auto attack with procs and aa’s (since it’s a lvl 86 weapon)

Mage star beast gun

Currently the gun does low to no damage on bosses even after the recent buff to it

Fix:

It should be exactly the same as hyperos but with a guaranteed proc on charge the follow up attack should do more damage than hyperos follow up attack (pressure crush and deep squeeze)

Every mage in the game would get this gun for sure the only down side with hyperos is the proc rate because it needed to be charged and not a guaranteed proc on charge this would fix the issue for the star beast gun

Rogue star beast bow:

Currently it does damage only in a circle only and the radius in my opinion is too small and not that effective considering warriors and mages clear mobs 10x faster than a rog does this should be buffed and changed

Fix and some changes:

-the radius of the circle proc should be way bigger like 15 meter radius and should do way more damage

-adding the same proc not in a circle shape but in a line shape it should have a radius of 20m (the player can control it by using auto attack for the circle type of proc or the line type of proc which can be triggered with charged attack)

-the line type of proc would damage the mobs in 1 line (in the way the player is facing) that’s how rogues would be able to compete with warriors/mages in some way

-the damage from each of the procs should be very high that it can wipe out the mobs fast

-each proc should have a cool-down of 3 secs only

This is the fix that is needed for the new weapons in my opinion we don’t want to have buffs and nerfs all the time it takes a lot of time for u and us buff it once and for all and be done with it


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[caabarader]

Whoever is moving threads needs to get a salary increase xD

[Cinco]

Thanks for the feedback!

Some quick responses as we consider the best path forward:

The Star Beast Hammer damage buff is a stacking buff. It doesn't say so in the details - but we will fix that.
Clean (no jewel, no awake) Star Beast Hammer has equivalent DPS to a clean Star Beast Chain Sword.
Star Beast Hammer combo / follow-up strikes on debuffed enemies all ignore armor - so an armor debuff doesn't make sense.

The Star Beast Bow has the same DPS as the Star Beast Chakram. Star Beast Bow has much lower DPS compared to the Star Beast Daggers.
Keeping the Rogue out of harm's way is the benefit of both the Bow and the Chakram - and trading that off for DPS is what's happening.
That said, there is fair amount of headroom that I could use to boost the Bow damage to make it closer to the Daggers.

The Star Beast Gun is the one that looks to really need the most adjustment - as it looks like the Gun sustains ~200K DPS while the Staff hits upwards of ~350K.


It is important to note that - for the purposes of balance - the comparisons are being made between Star Beast weapons. They should all be viable in different ways with roughly the same performance output, roughly the same statistic contribution, etc. as they are all of the same Level and Rarity.

We look forward to (making at least a few) updates for this gear later this week!

[Snaptubepro]

Thanks for the feedback!

Some quick responses as we consider the best path forward:

The Star Beast Hammer damage buff is a stacking buff. It doesn't say so in the details - but we will fix that.
Clean (no jewel, no awake) Star Beast Hammer has equivalent DPS to a clean Star Beast Chain Sword.
Star Beast Hammer combo / follow-up strikes on debuffed enemies all ignore armor - so an armor debuff doesn't make sense.

The Star Beast Bow has the same DPS as the Star Beast Chakram. Star Beast Bow has much lower DPS compared to the Star Beast Daggers.
Keeping the Rogue out of harm's way is the benefit of both the Bow and the Chakram - and trading that off for DPS is what's happening.
That said, there is fair amount of headroom that I could use to boost the Bow damage to make it closer to the Daggers.

The Star Beast Gun is the one that looks to really need the most adjustment - as it looks like the Gun sustains ~200K DPS while the Staff hits upwards of ~350K.


It is important to note that - for the purposes of balance - the comparisons are being made between Star Beast weapons. They should all be viable in different ways with roughly the same performance output, roughly the same statistic contribution, etc. as they are all of the same Level and Rarity.

We look forward to (making at least a few) updates for this gear later this week!

yeah, you should try hyperos proc and compare it to sb gun or sb staff too. level 81 mythic is far superior, surpassing new mythic xD.

[dmqp]

Thanks for the feedback!

Some quick responses as we consider the best path forward:

The Star Beast Hammer damage buff is a stacking buff. It doesn't say so in the details - but we will fix that.
Clean (no jewel, no awake) Star Beast Hammer has equivalent DPS to a clean Star Beast Chain Sword.
Star Beast Hammer combo / follow-up strikes on debuffed enemies all ignore armor - so an armor debuff doesn't make sense.

We look forward to (making at least a few) updates for this gear later this week!

Are you turning 2nd charging part with dot into alternative to neptaris, or will it remain alternative to sb chain in terms of dmg? Would be great to get neptaris kind of proc with easier activation. First charged attack add 300% dmg, 2nd charged attack activates dot as strong as hit from neptaris (eel shock). Ofc this should work in pve only. I doubt any warrior would dislike this change, maybe some rebels lol. Neptaris is fine but would be great to get something new and better.

[maniqqa]

Thanks for the feedback!

Some quick responses as we consider the best path forward:

The Star Beast Hammer damage buff is a stacking buff. It doesn't say so in the details - but we will fix that.
Clean (no jewel, no awake) Star Beast Hammer has equivalent DPS to a clean Star Beast Chain Sword.
Star Beast Hammer combo / follow-up strikes on debuffed enemies all ignore armor - so an armor debuff doesn't make sense.

It is important to note that - for the purposes of balance - the comparisons are being made between Star Beast weapons. They should all be viable in different ways with roughly the same performance output, roughly the same statistic contribution, etc. as they are all of the same Level and Rarity.

We look forward to (making at least a few) updates for this gear later this week!

Can you also fix the charged attack tracking on the hammer? it's like directionally challenged

[Cinco]

Can you also fix the charged attack tracking on the hammer? it's like directionally challenged

Good catch!

Yeah - the targeting angle for this attack was way too narrow. Most similar activations get nearly 360 degrees for targeting (within the max range - which should be ~4m for the Hammer).

We will have this addressed for the next update.

[Cinco]

Are you turning 2nd charging part with dot into alternative to neptaris, or will it remain alternative to sb chain in terms of dmg? Would be great to get neptaris kind of proc with easier activation. First charged attack add 300% dmg, 2nd charged attack activates dot as strong as hit from neptaris (eel shock). Ofc this should work in pve only. I doubt any warrior would dislike this change, maybe some rebels lol. Neptaris is fine but would be great to get something new and better.

We're not going to be re-designing the activation of the Great Hammer of the Star Beast.

I love Neptaris! It's one of my favorite designs. It was the earliest Zaarus Mythic weapon design - and I really love the activation. We'll see something similar in the future (in a different weapon). Star Beast Hammer is not going to be Nept2.0

[Cinco]

yeah, you should try hyperos proc and compare it to sb gun or sb staff too. level 81 mythic is far superior, surpassing new mythic xD.

True - there is a big difference in the sustained DPS.

It shouldn't be such a big gap (and the Star Beast should perform a bit better by comparison).

We will address this. Thanks!

[dmqp]

We're not going to be re-designing the activation of the Great Hammer of the Star Beast.

I love Neptaris! It's one of my favorite designs. It was the earliest Zaarus Mythic weapon design - and I really love the activation. We'll see something similar in the future (in a different weapon). Star Beast Hammer is not going to be Nept2.0

That's better than good (news).

[trueido]

True - there is a big difference in the sustained DPS.

It shouldn't be such a big gap (and the Star Beast should perform a bit better by comparison).

We will address this. Thanks!

tbh maby lower the effectivness of 81 mythics on enemys beyond level 81

[asommers]

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[HaMuD]

i tried all kinds of way for star beast hammer it is totally still weak there is not difference even after this update..

[tripexxx]

Hammer is still bad , it's needs some sort of dmg buff

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[capeo]

Well, at least now you know it's weak. Before you didn't hit anything enough to tell.

[Cinco]

i tried all kinds of way for star beast hammer it is totally still weak there is not difference even after this update..

The only change to the Star Beast Hammer was an increase of the targeting radius.


Hammer is still bad , it's needs some sort of dmg buff

Compared to what other Warrior Star Beast Weapon is it weak? From what I see, the Star Beast Hammer deals balanced damage in comparison to both the Star Beast Chain Sword and the Star Beast Shield. In fact, against boss monsters I see it dealing the highest sustained DPS.

If there's some problem with it we'd like to address it. Thanks!

[Hercules]

The only change to the Star Beast Hammer was an increase of the targeting radius.



Compared to what other Warrior Star Beast Weapon is it weak? From what I see, the Star Beast Hammer deals balanced damage in comparison to both the Star Beast Chain Sword and the Star Beast Shield. In fact, against boss monsters I see it dealing the highest sustained DPS.

If there's some problem with it we'd like to address it. Thanks!

I think his proc isn't bad, it's very very good. I love him, but I wish his proc would last a second or 2 seconds longer.

The weapon may have a lot of DPS, but the final weapon for many is the Rusk. That's why I don't add awakes to the hammer, I just use it for its proc :P

[caabarader]

I tested almost all weapons, as a person who owns rusk and kraken gears, I do use sb weapon only to get the sb set proc, but the weapon proc ain't bad, I assume it can even be used to kill minibosses, since the cd is lower than kraken.
The problem here is that people are comparing sb weapons with krakens, they think just because it's a "new" gear, it should be better than previous one. But like I stated in my previous comment here, none of previous sb weapons(orb, staff, chak, daggers, aegis and chain) are better than kraken, so this one shouldn't be either, and that's ok! Game is already too easy for players who owns kraken, making better weapons in the actual game scenario would just bring chaos, boss being one tapped and so on, I can't even imagine how op arcane 86 will be, because it's so hard to imagine something better than kraken. For me, sb weapons are fine as it is now. Also, for those who doesn't owns a rusk weapon, can simply choose sb weapon to be your damage weapon, it's the 2nd best option and 9-10x cheaper than rusk.

[Hercules]

Please buff sb hammer adding 2% Nature damage :P haahha

[Wortwechsel]

We don't want it to be much better, but at least the same as Krak. The SB weapons are said to have different properties. Also in relation to the proc. You are not allowed to compare different SB weapons. Everyone SB is unique and one is stronger and the other is weaker. I would understand it if SB Hammer does not need to be charged. But it has to. That's why the community expects this weapon to be on an equal footing with Krak. Not much stronger, but at least the same or a little more.Fact is : Sb Hammer Proc only does the HALF dmg(lill more than a half) like Krak and i think the Sb Hammer Proc is little Buggy . Is it possible the Proc (sb hammer)stop like 5 seconds or brake or anything else? Ive experienced it on Rahab.Sb Hammer Proc,switch to dmg set and after 5 sec proc stoppt but now i cant reproduce it .

Greets Wortwechsel

[Lazzer]

I'm still trying to figure out where the Star Beast Bow can be used and why it should be used. So far the normal Kraken Bow/Kraken Daggs and swapping to a Chakram or SB Dagg set for the CK buff then to Rusk is way smoother and better overall for bosses and mobs. Not too sure how the SB Bow with its charging concept can be applied to set of bosses/mobs in Elite Indigo for example. Do we proc, wait for cd, proc wait and repeat for every 2 -3 sets of mobs? That reduces clear speed by 10x btw.

And using it on a boss is just not worth it. Chakrams are way more quick to proc and efficient when spamming Auto Attacks. Anyways thanks for the buffs, it does a little more damage now in general. Not viable but better than it's initial release i guess.

[memphis]

what is max critical hit damage for the individual weapons?
what does it mean max critical hit damage increased by 25%

is there a crit damage cap?
or is it for the base attacks?

[MaAaT]

With my bad gear I now do 40 to 50% of normal fly as compared to 20 to 30% prebuff. In comparison I do double damage with hyperos and can kill fly.I now do 60 to 80% depending on how many crits I get. Also I hate to keep complaining, but is the gun even affected by the debuff to armor change? The proc is supposed to ignore armor altogether and spamming skills and basic attacks during the proc to get value off of it seems pointless. Maybe it's there for the team, but it seems a bit like an oversight.

[Candylicks]

Final bow review:

PvE- If you are new to the game, do not own kraken armor then this bow is for you. It can be used with legendary gear and the proc still works. Just charge your bow and off you go. If you are an end game, max geared rogue then this bow is a skip. The charging mechanic is what holds us back from using this bow over chakrams or force to clear mobs. It's also a miss for boss.

PvP- I am not a PvP player but is probably perfect for someone like me who is very clueless to PvP but if I can get kills by charging a bow alone.

StS I appreciate the creative way you went with this weapon and the two bumps you gave it. Your transparency and thoughtful replies back to the community are appreciated. Both the beast daggers and beast bow are the least desired in our class and both feature a charging mechanic, perhaps consider this as you design for us in future weapons.

[capeo]

After a little testing my only complaint about the hammer is the attack speed. 2 charged attacks then spam normal takes a really long time. In portals and on elder bosses time is an issue. With a slightly faster attack speed you can actually get those attacks off before getting debuffed. As it is now charging takes a long time, 2 charges and you're in a red zone so the spam may or may not land. Timing is fairly important in hedo and elder.

[Killyxan]

There is a small bug with the damage output it seems like on the great hammer I tried or it could be intended (idk yet) with kraken sword I had with sb buff and all other procs 310k dmg and with great hammer sword I had 387k dmg however I did more dmg with kraken sword + rusk sword ( 310k total damage) than great hammer with sb buff and all other procs (387k total damage) I did more damage on boss with kraken sword and rusk sword than great hammer even tho I had less damage the map I tested was lb elite infested shouldn’t I do more damage with great hammer than with kraken sword and rusk sword? The charging speed seems a bit slow too would be great if this get some haste to the charging speed of the weapon

[dreoelak]

Sb gun after buff has roughly the same damage output on bosses as sb staff (both with their proprietary procs). As for mob clearing, it can proc on multiple minions, but subsequent uncharged attacks will only hit one, rendering gun useless. In addition to all of the above, it's harder to proc other gear (i.e. kraken armor) with gun compared to both other sb weapons and krak gun.
From what I can see, gun is clearly meant to be a boss weapon, yet it fails to meaningfully outperform sb staff even in it's primary role.

[Tibcsy]

Great hammer meteor effect does not work on Zodi maps.

[lowkey]

proc dmg of star bow still lower than dagger. It means nothing special for star bow. Should be fixed, the dmg must balanced.

[Ling]

bump for the posts!

[Ss1995]

Ok, so i think i found a niche for a SB Bow, that might be wider with cursed elder, in Elite elder maps where mobs r spread out ( or groups of mobs ) u proc daggers, swap to rusk/chakrams and kill a bunch , and after that like evry rogue u have a gap where u got no shield or dmg. If ur approaching smaller group of mobs u can charge bow that will ez kill 6,7,8 mobs with some additional skills. And cd is shorther than krak weps so by the time you pull next group ur dagger proc is rdy to use. I found it helpfull while running with op and fast ptys. Because if krak proc fails or youre waiting cooldown-you are either dead or evry1 is waiting for you. Sb bow helps with that

[Pakkyca]

Why is the SB Gun base damage higher than Rusk? I know Rusk gun is better overall, but it's Arcane Vs. Mythic. It doesn't make any sense.

*I'm happy for Mages, I just wanna know why it's like that?

[Tokeyx]

Why is the SB Gun base damage higher than Rusk? I know Rusk gun is better overall, but it's Arcane Vs. Mythic. It doesn't make any sense.

*I'm happy for Mages, I just wanna know why it's like that?it is but rusk is better even though the sb gun stat is better than rusk, but rusk can shoot multiple target

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[ThaAnas]

Ps fix your new released sb bow - useless plat I wasted

[Arggonaut]

You guys nearly introduced a new way to play the game which is having another buff weapon by simply charging it and it will have a different distinction from proc. You guys can still implement it but prolly reduce the buffs into half? But you guys removed it because it's a bug. Why not add accessory / armor that will be put in the skill tab and charge it? Seems pretty good in my opinion :D

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[FilthyCustard]

After a little testing my only complaint about the hammer is the attack speed. 2 charged attacks then spam normal takes a really long time. In portals and on elder bosses time is an issue. With a slightly faster attack speed you can actually get those attacks off before getting debuffed. As it is now charging takes a long time, 2 charges and you're in a red zone so the spam may or may not land. Timing is fairly important in hedo and elder.

Wdym 2 charged attacks? You only need to charge hammer once , don't u?

[capeo]

Honestly I'm not sure but in the description it states that charged attacks debuff the target. So 1st charged to proc, 2nd charge to debuff then spam. At least that's how I read the process.

[maniqqa]

Honestly I'm not sure but in the description it states that charged attacks debuff the target. So 1st charged to proc, 2nd charge to debuff then spam. At least that's how I read the process.

pretty sure it procs with the first charged attack. you would know galactic gavel ends when your auto attacks have the chainsword auto effect.

[ogpurp]

First off I'm going to start by saying this. Holy moly there are a ton of people thinking the same exact thing as I am.

I purchased the bow for a simple reason I think a lot of players are not seeing. (8 second proc internal cooldown).
What this CoolDown does is makes it so you can save your more desired procs for the boss, such as when people are clearing up to the boss and right before the boss there are 3-5 mobs in Elite Indigo that seem to be there and NO one wants to proc their kraken daggers and chest (or respective proc set) before boss.

SO... The bow comes in handy finishing the clear of maps swiftly and efficiently to move onto boss. And for a solo player this is more noticeable.

With this being said, I didn't think it was worth it nor will I use it probably in my setup.

Also another thought: given that rusk is an arcane and this weapon is mythic it was never intended to be better than the rusk bow, and it has it's use for certain situational things and perhaps will be useful in Cursed in some way that someone is overlooking.

Regardless of any of this. The bow isn't worth it and now I can't sell it because it seems like even the player base that doesn't touch the forums and doesn't read these comments know the bow isn't of much use.

Id like to see a rework of the proc to put a debilitating de buff on every mob that is in the circle. It's counter intuitive to see the nova and then Miss the mobs you intended to get with your proc. Even though they were in the nova. Off of cooldown.

But that's just one idea. Or an easier one would be crunch some numbers and make base damage higher, dps lower and make them more bursty like chakrams. It would "feel" much better.

Now at the end of the day... I tried it. I sort of enjoyed the proc but think that this bow isn't something that is necessary. And now I'm having an insane time trying to sell the bow and I lowered it 7m gold.

[Killyxan]

After more testing with shadow set and great hammer sword I would say the thing that is lacking the sword is the speed of charging its way too slow atm (it does good dmg with shadow set on boss not without the set) it could use some haste on the charging part make it faster to charge atm kraken is way faster to charge than star beast hammer if that would change on the hammer than I don’t think it needs anymore adjustments


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[capeo]

I agree, way to slow. Still misses the target even when I'm right in front of it. Alone the damage is negligible.

[trickmeister]

bow weak
gun hammer strong

[Alexdoki]

La rogue no sirve incluso con todos los set más fuertes no rompe sola

[zynkor]

gun by itself feels a bit weak even compared to krak gun, maybe increase proc dmg like 10% and also add 10% haste when proc-ing please, it would make it more usable

[MaAaT]

I used hammer for some time now and I really like the damage buff.
The proc dmg does well enough with ultimate, but doesn't do a whole lot besides that as a boss weapon.
This is made worse by the fact, that the hammer pushes enemies away (So far I found only one use for this, and even that isn't necessary) But if you want to make use of the increased follow up damage of the hammer, the push will make it harder to do so against certain enemies.
There is a reason why rusk, force and krak aegis are so popular besides good damage, which makes it confusing to me, that hammer pushes enemies with its attacks.
Also when I first saw the ground impact of hammer I thought it might do area damage or hit a ton of enemies, but this part seems to be visuals only sadly.
Also +1 on increased charging speed

[Americanarmy]

First off I'm going to start by saying this. Holy moly there are a ton of people thinking the same exact thing as I am.

I purchased the bow for a simple reason I think a lot of players are not seeing. (8 second proc internal cooldown).
What this CoolDown does is makes it so you can save your more desired procs for the boss, such as when people are clearing up to the boss and right before the boss there are 3-5 mobs in Elite Indigo that seem to be there and NO one wants to proc their kraken daggers and chest (or respective proc set) before boss.

SO... The bow comes in handy finishing the clear of maps swiftly and efficiently to move onto boss. And for a solo player this is more noticeable.

With this being said, I didn't think it was worth it nor will I use it probably in my setup.

Also another thought: given that rusk is an arcane and this weapon is mythic it was never intended to be better than the rusk bow, and it has it's use for certain situational things and perhaps will be useful in Cursed in some way that someone is overlooking.

Regardless of any of this. The bow isn't worth it and now I can't sell it because it seems like even the player base that doesn't touch the forums and doesn't read these comments know the bow isn't of much use.

Id like to see a rework of the proc to put a debilitating de buff on every mob that is in the circle. It's counter intuitive to see the nova and then Miss the mobs you intended to get with your proc. Even though they were in the nova. Off of cooldown.

But that's just one idea. Or an easier one would be crunch some numbers and make base damage higher, dps lower and make them more bursty like chakrams. It would "feel" much better.

Now at the end of the day... I tried it. I sort of enjoyed the proc but think that this bow isn't something that is necessary. And now I'm having an insane time trying to sell the bow and I lowered it 7m gold.

Are u still sell


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[Americanarmy]

gun by itself feels a bit weak even compared to krak gun, maybe increase proc dmg like 10% and also add 10% haste when proc-ing please, it would make it more usable

Mythic 86 should be stronger then kraken 81 as is 86 arc blood set should be stronger then both


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[Wortwechsel]

Mythic 86 should be stronger then kraken 81 as is 86 arc blood set should be stronger then both


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+ 1

Greets

Wortwechsel

[Americanarmy]

+ 1

Greets

Wortwechsel

Yes yes greet to you thank u for agreeing with me haha


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[Americanarmy]

Star beast weps need to be steonger then kraken in dmg its a lvl 86 wep


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[Vizzx]

As a mage main the gun proc feels weak when compared to kraken. I feel like it should be atleast on par with hyperios in zaar set with regards to proc only.

[Americanarmy]

As a mage main the gun proc feels weak when compared to kraken. I feel like it should be atleast on par with hyperios in zaar set with regards to proc only.

That too


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[Americanarmy]

Star beast bow not working on ekenta


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[Nabrandz]

Definately agree that the procs needs a buff. +1

[Bia]

i liked it , thanks

[Arson]

its great!!!

[MaartyBroekman]

Looks great!!!

[Tekila]

After having tested all of them (finally)
I can firmly assure that you guys did an awfull work on designing Starbeast items.

All the procs look alike except the shield, chakram and daggers one it feels like a cartoon multivers of weakness.

All the procs are weak except the shield and daggers ones.

People will say that they are designed to be used with elemental sets but they are only usable with elemental sets because they are solely trashes in you served in locked.

Moreover you did not buffed any of the sword, gun and bow procs at all even after seing them unused.

Let's be honest your latest star beast are just some milking and add no real value in the game. You could remove SB sword, bow, gun from the game without harming it.

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