Rogue lack of damage

[Stefal]

Hello. I know rogues are crying alot,and we got that shield that was much needed with razor skill,this along with blood Aa made map clear much easier for rogue.
But i want to say Since game is in "proc damage" era i guess,and its silly to me that rogue struggles the most with bosses (check all lb timed bosses results) can you do something about rogue inferior damage compared to other 2 classes? Rogue wep procs is worst off all 3 classes , using blood (stat) or element set.
Mage got curse+op element dmg with aqua staff, Warr just does insane damage with element/Zodi,and nepta is still op.
Rogue is left with nerfed krak bow proc, buffed chakram proc,whos DOT dmg is still weak (speaking as 4.730dex rogue with cd wep) .
Can you atleast make rogue Arrow ulti,only 1 arrow that deals damage as 3 arrows do ?
While you proc ck/blood/wep proc, and shoot all 3 ulti arrows chances r atleast one(most of the time 2) arrows will be shot without some procs.
Aimed shot description makes it seem op, but what it does is actually 6-10m dmg while all procs r active. Which is really weak compared to what other 2 classes can do.
So maybe buff aimed shot -for pve, i dont do pvp so i got no idea if its any good there.
Thank you. Stefcrit

[|Ares|]

Well if you can't utilize the skillset of the class fully that's kinda on you, respectfully.

[Stefal]

Well if you can't utilize the skillset of the class fully that's kinda on you, respectfully.

You are doing same comment on evry post. Show me ur solo time on lb fly sir and then back it up :)
Respectfully. I aint talking about lvl 20 lb maps where u need 7x speed. Im talking about warr doing 60m tick of dmg with zodi or 20m with element set and rogue doing 3x less.

[Usaram]

I already enjoying rog class,even rog is not best class.
But i agree what u said.
+1

[Voorge]

You are doing same comment on evry post. Show me ur solo time on lb fly sir and then back it up :)
Respectfully. I aint talking about lvl 20 lb maps where u need 7x speed. Im talking about warr doing 60m tick of dmg with zodi or 20m with element set and rogue doing 3x less.

but you want aimed ult buffed, how does that relate to orrick lb?

[|Ares|]

You are doing same comment on evry post. Show me ur solo time on lb fly sir and then back it up :)
Respectfully. I aint talking about lvl 20 lb maps where u need 7x speed. Im talking about warr doing 60m tick of dmg with zodi or 20m with element set and rogue doing 3x less.

You sound pretty upset, it's okay you'll get there one day.

As in terms of Orrick (as it takes 2-3 attempts to get a score) how is that relevant to rogue ultimate exactly?

[Stefal]

You sound pretty upset, it's okay you'll get there one day.

As in terms of Orrick (as it takes 2-3 attempts to get a score) how is that relevant to rogue ultimate exactly?

How did you connect orrick and ulti? Or did you comment without reading? Most of your posts is you trying to show yourself as skilled or whatever tern you want others to call you. Lb orrick isnt connected to ult. I just said that arrow ult isnt the best rn,and suggested how it could be more usefull .
You seem upset with rogue class changing on evry post. Its ok we can see this game and getting your name on Lbs is your life.
Dont worry,im sure you will still find way of staying on lbs no1 tries for 2 years and you live for them.
Maybe,if rogue had damage you could actually try events and maps like temple,and not use alts or other ppls gears so you dont get embarassed.
Just stop saying to evry1 they dont know how to play,i remember you crying when cursed map came out. And 3 days later when you managed (very late) to do curses you were all about "you need to utilize your gear and skillset,its easy"

[|Ares|]

How did you connect orrick and ulti? Or did you comment without reading? Most of your posts is you trying to show yourself as skilled or whatever tern you want others to call you. Lb orrick isnt connected to ult. I just said that arrow ult isnt the best rn,and suggested how it could be more usefull .
You seem upset with rogue class changing on evry post. Its ok we can see this game and getting your name on Lbs is your life.
Dont worry,im sure you will still find way of staying on lbs no1 tries for 2 years and you live for them.
Maybe,if rogue had damage you could actually try events and maps like temple,and not use alts or other ppls gears so you dont get embarassed.
Just stop saying to evry1 they dont know how to play,i remember you crying when cursed map came out. And 3 days later when you managed (very late) to do curses you were all about "you need to utilize your gear and skillset,its easy"

Relax buddy, you sound pretty mad. You seem to know more about me than myself (pretty concerning), ironic talking about someone else's life when you're acting like my personal calendar. :|

As in the thread logic, forums are for everyone - I'm free to post my opinions anywhere about anything. Get used to it :)

[Stefal]

Relax buddy, you sound pretty mad. You seem to know more about me than myself (pretty concerning), ironic talking about someone else's life when you're acting like my personal calendar. :|

As in the thread logic, forums are for everyone - I'm free to post my opinions anywhere about anything. Get used to it :)

Agreed,and i came with some suggestions so most of the players can enjoy the game better. As what you always trying to us is useless bragging ,glad u didnt deny any of what i said tho. Enjoy

[Adek Nakal]

Hello. I know rogues are crying alot,and we got that shield that was much needed with razor skill,this along with blood Aa made map clear much easier for rogue.
But i want to say Since game is in "proc damage" era i guess,and its silly to me that rogue struggles the most with bosses (check all lb timed bosses results) can you do something about rogue inferior damage compared to other 2 classes? Rogue wep procs is worst off all 3 classes , using blood (stat) or element set.
Mage got curse+op element dmg with aqua staff, Warr just does insane damage with element/Zodi,and nepta is still op.
Rogue is left with nerfed krak bow proc, buffed chakram proc,whos DOT dmg is still weak (speaking as 4.730dex rogue with cd wep) .
Can you atleast make rogue Arrow ulti,only 1 arrow that deals damage as 3 arrows do ?
While you proc ck/blood/wep proc, and shoot all 3 ulti arrows chances r atleast one(most of the time 2) arrows will be shot without some procs.
Aimed shot description makes it seem op, but what it does is actually 6-10m dmg while all procs r active. Which is really weak compared to what other 2 classes can do.
So maybe buff aimed shot -for pve, i dont do pvp so i got no idea if its any good there.
Thank you. Stefcrit

And you would come back here complaining even if they buffed the ult bc most endgame player/content dont use ult lmao

[|Ares|]

Agreed,and i came with some suggestions so most of the players can enjoy the game better. As what you always trying to us is useless bragging ,glad u didnt deny any of what i said tho. Enjoy

Based on how Orrick's Lb be looking today I can tell that rogue's ultimate and Rogue in general is actually quite good! You should give it a go!

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[Konichewa]

Based on how Orrick's Lb be looking today I can tell that rogue's ultimate and Rogue in general is actually quite good! You should give it a go!

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You’re acting as if the “””ROGUE””” on this team was able to actually do something other then sit back and watch mage use hyperos..

Also this has nothing to do with the ROGUES!!! Ultimate because it isn’t up in time for orrick..

[|Ares|]

You’re acting as if the “””ROGUE””” on this team was able to actually do something other then sit back and watch mage use hyperos..

Also this has nothing to do with the ROGUES!!! Ultimate because it isn’t up in time for orrick..

Mage using hyperos? :O
I HAVE TO TRY THAT, sounds incredibly broken!!!

[Voorge]

hear me out… cakes
forbidden strat fr

[|Ares|]

Zodias set for rogue and dagger proc, should try that too

[Stefal]

And you would come back here complaining even if they buffed the ult bc most endgame player/content dont use ult lmao

Arcane cursewood comming. Also i aint rrly complaining. Its a suggestion . You cam be free and snuggle with your boyfriend instead of searching posts where you could make pointless comments.

[|Ares|]

Arcane cursewood comming. Also i aint rrly complaining. Its a suggestion . You cam be free and snuggle with your boyfriend instead of searching posts where you could make pointless comments.

Your entire block of text above is complaining about Rogue damage as class in general. Perhaps instead of personal and weirdly odd passive aggressive rhetoric you could've used that energy towards something useful such as trying out the leadeboards you desire.
Just a suggestion :)

[asommers]

Appreciate the feedback. We recently updated the Rogue based on a previous request for feedback (link (https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?763838)), so aside from new equipment, the other two classes will need to be scrutinized first before any additional changes.

We welcome any further feedback/suggestions regarding this.

-ALS

[imfeared]

Rogues honestly are in a good place. The other 2 classes just have an old broken weapon that instantly kills anything if you can proc it asap. During temple mages actually lacked damage based on the lb results and warriors did better yes but their ultimate 6x str is the cause. Every map right now is a 20 second or less run through. No class needs a buff just certain weapons maybe need reworked to level the fairness for those few monthly lbs which only a handful run anyways. All this coming from a rogue...

[MaAaT]

In the case of elemental sets the issue is that aqua has a very high dmg buff, that is easy to proc, while sb hammer has a buff that's good enough and also easy to proc.
In theory the pisces buff would be quite strong, but because it's such a pain to proc and the only significant buffing weapon for rogue, makes them worse at using it.

[dmqp]

In the case of elemental sets the issue is that aqua has a very high dmg buff, that is easy to proc, while sb hammer has a buff that's good enough and also easy to proc.
In theory the pisces buff would be quite strong, but because it's such a pain to proc and the only significant buffing weapon for rogue, makes them worse at using it.

Yes, i agree and i have messaged devs long, long, long time ago that 500% (or whatever high number) from Aquaris vs 300% from Sb hammer vs 150% from Kraken bow (+ belt proc) is very unbalanced considering only % damage is improving elemental DOTs. Add super broken curse skill and there is no wonder why mage with proper equipment can single handedly do 1 phase Hedourah thing. Good thing is 3x blood+ 3x sb + Blood weapon is alternative to elemental sets (in performance), but that does not mean the gab between % dmg buffs should remain the way it is now.

There are things STS should check:
- find way to give each class same % of dmg buff source from weapon (nerf old aquaris, bring blood or other weapons, that buff same %)
- nerf old Zodias Aegis (warrior speaking, but it is crazy how this weapon can deliver 150m-ish ticks from proc and kill Lb orrick in 1-2 ticks)

Back to topic:
If you want to get on Orrick lb bring fast mage/war with top gear. Mage will curse boss (and can deliver some dmg) while war destroy him with Zod Aegis proc within 2 ticks. All 4 players provide pet AA buffs, that is the job of rogues in current Lb Orrick runs.

[Stefal]

Yes, i agree and i have messaged devs long, long, long time ago that 500% (or whatever high number) from Aquaris vs 300% from Sb hammer vs 150% from Kraken bow (+ belt proc) is very unbalanced considering only % damage is improving elemental DOTs. Add super broken curse skill and there is no wonder why mage with proper equipment can single handedly do 1 phase Hedourah thing. Good thing is 3x blood+ 3x sb + Blood weapon is alternative to elemental sets (in performance), but that does not mean the gab between % dmg buffs should remain the way it is now.

There are things STS should check:
- find way to give each class same % of dmg buff source from weapon (nerf old aquaris, bring blood or other weapons, that buff same %)
- nerf old Zodias Aegis (warrior speaking, but it is crazy how this weapon can deliver 150m-ish ticks from proc and kill Lb orrick in 1-2 ticks)

Back to topic:
If you want to get on Orrick lb bring fast mage/war with top gear. Mage will curse boss (and can deliver some dmg) while war destroy him with Zod Aegis proc within 2 ticks. All 4 players provide pet AA buffs, that is the job of rogues in current Lb Orrick runs.

Not my intention to be on lb orrick lb. I used him as an example how rogue (highest dmg class) is actually class with lowest dmg output right now. And no1 can tell me rogue has better dmg then other 2 classes with this meta. 5k dex rogue does worse then 4.2k str warr with Zodias or even nepta. Element set dmg output difference is also insane between rogue and other 2 classes. Just tried suggesting ,since rogue cant have good wep proc,maybe adding dmg to aimed shot would do some good.

[capeo]

You guys are going to get zodias aegis nerfed again

[|Ares|]

You guys are going to get zodias aegis nerfed again

Which is ironic cause thread is about rogue lacking damage, not tank weapons to be nerfed. People be moaning about anything nowadays.

[Encryptions]

Can you explain exactly what on rogue needs buffed damage wise? My rog can solo elite hedourah with 3.3k dex without any issues.

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[Americanarmy]

You are doing same comment on evry post. Show me ur solo time on lb fly sir and then back it up :)
Respectfully. I aint talking about lvl 20 lb maps where u need 7x speed. Im talking about warr doing 60m tick of dmg with zodi or 20m with element set and rogue doing 3x less.

Shoudnt rogue technically be the class doing the most dmg as it is a assassin class? The current state of the game the only way u can tell a class is diffrent is due to skills each class has if u removed all skills and ults from all the charachters they would actually be all identical due to having same set procs and wep procs hahaah…. I liked it in the past pre lvl 71 were each class had a special role now everthing is the same now to appease people who want a “male” rogue/war/mage “alien” rogue/war/mage“ female”rogue vice versa with each “class” also there no need for different classes as u can solo maps by your self yes u might take time but u can solo it. Also most past maps u needed all 3 hero types to even clear maps


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[Americanarmy]

Based on how Orrick's Lb be looking today I can tell that rogue's ultimate and Rogue in general is actually quite good! You should give it a go!

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Those numbes looks like someone who plays on pc haha which is easier to press buttons then on phone touch screen[emoji24] iam suprised very good times


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[dmqp]

Not my intention to be on lb orrick lb. I used him as an example how rogue (highest dmg class) is actually class with lowest dmg output right now. And no1 can tell me rogue has better dmg then other 2 classes with this meta. 5k dex rogue does worse then 4.2k str warr with Zodias or even nepta. Element set dmg output difference is also insane between rogue and other 2 classes. Just tried suggesting ,since rogue cant have good wep proc,maybe adding dmg to aimed shot would do some good.

I understand your concern, but I don’t think rogues are as weak as you say.

I am afraid rogues wouldn’t see a big difference with buffed skill damage compared to the multi-million damage from procs. Endgame boss fight is about procs.

- Current difference in Elemental set dmg output is in % dmg buff as MaAat stated. It is 500% (mage) vs 300% (warrior) vs 150% (rogue) dmg buff from weapon. I agree this should be standardized.
- Zod Aegis/ Neptaris have strong procs, that is true, but believe me i have tried them against Hedourah or in Indigo and there is no way i, as active PvE player would want to use their rng proc over Blood/Sb/kraken. Some masochists might like to use Zod Aegis, but: 1. using blood/sb/kraken is more convenient, 2. you do not need Zod Aegis-type of proc to destroy endgame pve bosses.

- I can't find active PvE map (farming map), where i would want/ need to use Zod Aegis. Zod Aegis is being used for few timed LB bosses, but you need more than just weapon, you need a great gear and great team. For daily PvE it is not needed at all.
- Honestly, I can't find a place for Neptaris in daily PvE either. This weapon has strong proc, but it is terrible to handle. I think it is mostly being used by warriors without latest gear to get closer to endgame dmg output and i see nothing wrong about that.


That being said, I do see a "light at the end of the tunnel" when it comes to the whole 'rogue is a bad damage dealer' discussion. It is Blood weaponry.
Blood weaponry is a step in the right direction. If we are talking about boss fights, the damage difference between Blood weapons in 3x Blood + 3x Sb sets is minimal among the classes. At least, that is what I see when I run with my rogue partner and mage friend (and after testing rounds of solo orrick). On top of that this set combination is great alternative to full elemental set until we see standardized dmg buffs (if ever).

[Stefal]

Can you explain exactly what on rogue needs buffed damage wise? My rog can solo elite hedourah with 3.3k dex without any issues.

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Evry1 can solo hedo since June. Can you Bp it solo like other 2 classes can?

[Encryptions]

Evry1 can solo hedo since June. Can you Bp it solo like other 2 classes can?Not with 3.3k dex, maybe 4.5k and the correct gears.

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[imfeared]

Evry1 can solo hedo since June. Can you Bp it solo like other 2 classes can?

Rogues can definitely solo bp hedo. With both elemental and 3/3blood-3/3sb. This was happening before blood chakram was introduced. We finally got a shield and a primary damage weapon that is affected by haste also. Truly the only "buff" i can understand needing is the Blood artifact proc rate. As it is now it's instant or after 100 hits which can fell very odd.

[Stefal]

Rogues can definitely solo bp hedo. With both elemental and 3/3blood-3/3sb. This was happening before blood chakram was introduced. We finally got a shield and a primary damage weapon that is affected by haste also. Truly the only "buff" i can understand needing is the Blood artifact proc rate. As it is now it's instant or after 100 hits which can fell very odd.

Before krak bow proc yes, now u need buffs with less then 5k dex to do it.

[imfeared]

Before krak bow proc yes, now u need buffs with less then 5k dex to do it.

I'm doing it solo now with mid 4.6k dex

[Americanarmy]

I'm doing it solo now with mid 4.6k dex

I have 4200 havent tried yet


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Rogues can definitely solo bp hedo. With both elemental and 3/3blood-3/3sb. This was happening before blood chakram was introduced. We finally got a shield and a primary damage weapon that is affected by haste also. Truly the only "buff" i can understand needing is the Blood artifact proc rate. As it is now it's instant or after 100 hits which can fell very odd.

Agreed with the weird proc rate on Blood Arti. It's either consistently instantaneous or doesn't proc through an entire map. This thread attached speaks about how the proc of Krak weps and Blood Arti don't work to proc each other but rather needs to be proc'd separately. This definitely contributes to inconsistency in the proc rate.

As for Rogue buffs we can only hope we get a nice instantaneous (or decent) AOE proc/buff on the upcoming weapons specifically designed for mob clear. The only thing saving this class from being completely criticized and complained about right now is the Blood Arti proc.


https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?766973-2-very-popular-bugs-in-game

[Stefal]

I'm doing it solo now with mid 4.6k dex

Show me please :)

[Tekila]

What i can tell is that rogue has good damage on kraken + SB 7/6.
But to be better you need to get better gear.


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[imfeared]

Show me please :)

Sent you the video on DC ��

[Adek Nakal]

Rogue are good on egg hunt 1 shot everything no need proc

[Lazzer]

Agreed with the weird proc rate on Blood Arti. It's either consistently instantaneous or doesn't proc through an entire map. This thread attached speaks about how the proc of Krak weps and Blood Arti don't work to proc each other but rather needs to be proc'd separately. This definitely contributes to inconsistency in the proc rate.

As for Rogue buffs we can only hope we get a nice instantaneous (or decent) AOE proc/buff on the upcoming weapons specifically designed for mob clear. The only thing saving this class from being completely criticized and complained about right now is the Blood Arti proc.


https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?766973-2-very-popular-bugs-in-game

Yeah pretty much. I believe Cinco got us covered. Dev team is doing a great job so far listening to player feedback.

[Naaabmage]

It was Rogue Legends for many years.... the time of mage and war shouldn't be over yet ... keep rogues the weakest class they had their time ...don't buff the rogues keep em down... sorry stef lol good luck

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You say this as if it's the fault of the people playing Rogue. As far as I'm aware, Rogues did not code the game to be what it was and is. Please speak up and voice concerns regarding class imbalance if you have any (that's how you get things solved).

Just make sure it's valid and not some highly opinionated rage bait brother, come on, you are better than this.


There's no point in trying to diminish a class just because another one is currently strong and fits your playstyle. Players who have invested over a decade into a class deserve to enjoy it, just like everyone else.

[Tekila]

You say this as if it's the fault of the people playing Rogue. As far as I'm aware, Rogues did not code the game to be what it was and is. Please speak up and voice concerns regarding class imbalance if you have any (that's how you get things solved).

Just make sure it's valid and not some highly opinionated rage bait brother, come on, you are better than this.


There's no point in trying to diminish a class just because another one is currently strong and fits your playstyle. Players who have invested over a decade into a class deserve to enjoy it, just like everyone else.What i can say is that rogue is enjoyable.
And people do not excluse them from any party.
It is just that the others classes are better at some point.

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What i can say is that rogue is enjoyable.
And people do not excluse them from any party.
It is just that the others classes are better at some point.

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Yeah, this is exactly as it is right now. Rogue is not unplayable and utterly useless yet, because of the Blood Artifact (AOE).
The Arti changed the class into viability.

However, the gameplay for farming still lacks, compared to Mage/Warr due to how easy and efficient they have it in terms of AOE skills/utility & procs/weps. (Every season Indigo LB shows this)

That said, my point is just like the shield being added to the class after years and years, there are most definitely things the class can still use.

Starting with more AOE implementations which also translates into the OP's concerns of a lack of overall damage.

A weapon proc/passive would be the best way to add this to Rogue, since Devs are not currently looking at skills/perks for the time being.

[Tekila]

Yeah, this is exactly as it is right now. Rogue is not unplayable and utterly useless yet, because of the Blood Artifact (AOE).
The Arti changed the class into viability.

However, the gameplay for farming still lacks, compared to Mage/Warr due to how easy and efficient they have it in terms of AOE skills/utility & procs/weps. (Every season Indigo LB shows this)

That said, my point is just like the shield being added to the class after years and years, there are most definitely things the class can still use.

Starting with more AOE implementations which also translates into the OP's concerns of a lack of overall damage.

A weapon proc/passive would be the best way to add this to Rogue, since Devs are not currently looking at skills/perks for the time being.I think that the single damage output is what represent rogue.
The class has some skills dedicated to AOE and perks that make the single targets skills more multi target oriented.
As for the other classes the blood arti is broken and does the cleaning in every map. I saw some concerne about it on forum not proccing well tho maybe this mater may be looked into.
The class has amazing stats.

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I think that the single damage output is what represent rogue.
The class has some skills dedicated to AOE and perks that make the single targets skills more multi target oriented.
As for the other classes the blood arti is broken and does the cleaning in every map. I saw some concerne about it on forum not proccing well tho maybe this mater may be looked into.
The class has amazing stats.

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There is absolutely nothing special about the single target damage of Rogue. Whether it be for boss killing or mobs sadly. If any one did Cursed Elder this would be very apparent.

And there is no use in having skills such as Aimed Shot ,Nox do it's small AOE perk. Aside of SSS everything else AOE related is pointless and close to irrelevant at end game runs. Nox is mainly used to proc Arti for Rogues, and it needs to be charged and used together with Shadow Piercer for the best chance for Arti to proc, making Aimed Shot completely irrelevant as it's not even used.


Before the Blood Arti other classes cleared better, with the Blood Arti, it's just made the clear 100x better, for Rogue Warr and Mage.

Doesn't change the fact that Rogue still lacks AOE utility and haste to clear mobs as efficiently as Warr/Mage.

The stats speak for itself. Check Indigo LB, the day the LB reaches a decent symmetry is when there is some visible evidence of balance in mob clear.

Don't get me wrong, the class right now is in a better position than it has ever been in the past. A few good touches and all 3 classes will be fun and amazing to play with is my point.

[Tekila]

Right now after testing my rogue again with better gear.
I can add some ideas to this thread.
It is not about lacking of damage. The thing is that rogue lacks of utilities.
The other classes have different build possible that may be better for single target or multi target.
Rogue only has one viable build with only one switch that does not give a big différence, when you switch nox bolt for shadow bomb.
The reason is that even with perks all the other spells are saddly useless.
Even the healing pack has no real use.

Even tho it is fun to play it has no versatility and no real way to adapt.
Only the procs may do a différence but 400m for gameplay (with Blood Arti) is pretty much too much xD

The other spells like trap or shadow i dont remember have potential, same goes for healing pack but the perks on them are so weak that it's a no go. Or even a never go?

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[Americanarmy]

Right now after testing my rogue again with better gear.
I can add some ideas to this thread.
It is not about lacking of damage. The thing is that rogue lacks of utilities.
The other classes have different build possible that may be better for single target or multi target.
Rogue only has one viable build with only one switch that does not give a big différence, when you switch nox bolt for shadow bomb.
The reason is that even with perks all the other spells are saddly useless.
Even the healing pack has no real use.

Even tho it is fun to play it has no versatility and no real way to adapt.
Only the procs may do a différence but 400m for gameplay (with Blood Arti) is pretty much too much xD

The other spells like trap or shadow i dont remember have potential, same goes for healing pack but the perks on them are so weak that it's a no go. Or even a never go?

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I can solo ebp hedo with rogue but skills need more utility tbh


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[imfeared]

Right now after testing my rogue again with better gear.
I can add some ideas to this thread.
It is not about lacking of damage. The thing is that rogue lacks of utilities.
The other classes have different build possible that may be better for single target or multi target.
Rogue only has one viable build with only one switch that does not give a big différence, when you switch nox bolt for shadow bomb.
The reason is that even with perks all the other spells are saddly useless.
Even the healing pack has no real use.

Even tho it is fun to play it has no versatility and no real way to adapt.
Only the procs may do a différence but 400m for gameplay (with Blood Arti) is pretty much too much xD

The other spells like trap or shadow i dont remember have potential, same goes for healing pack but the perks on them are so weak that it's a no go. Or even a never go?

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Shadow shot is better for end game mob maps (indigo) then nox bolt. During an armor proc a charged shadow will kill all mobs in the area. Plus the instant proc potential is better due to not depending on ticks rather a direct hit of multiple enemies. Try it out....
I still don't understand the rogues need more stance. I'm a rogue and have zero issues on any map. In the current game everything is getting killed instantly unless it's a boss then its a few seconds. Cursed elder woods is the hardest map now and rogues have matched curse 18 with the other two classes. Perhaps easier then mages.

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At this point it's very easy to conclude that those who feel like there is nothing lacking with the class either don't play it all the time running maps to farm and grind (Indigo mainly), or have swapped onto a alt Mage/Warr and therefore don't like to see any buffs on Rogue.

Both aren't healthy for the game, since opinions must come from a good place not out of groundless insight.

Of course all 3 classes at end game with maxed out gear clears fast and kills bosses good. But I'm pointing out to how easy and efficient it is on a Mage/Warr compared to Rogue. (AOE in general like Blood Arti as well as Haste % makes an insanely big difference in clear).

The shield helped tremendously ,solid changes like these won't negatively impact gameplay for any one.

[Tekila]

At this point it's very easy to conclude that those who feel like there is nothing lacking with the class either don't play it all the time running maps to farm and grind (Indigo mainly), or have swapped onto a alt Mage/Warr and therefore don't like to see any buffs on Rogue.

Both aren't healthy for the game, since opinions must come from a good place not out of groundless insight.

Of course all 3 classes at end game with maxed out gear clears clears fast and kills bosses good. But I'm pointing out to how easy and efficient it is on a Mage/Warr compared to Rogue. (AOE in general like Blood Arti as well as Haste % makes an insanely big difference in clear).

The shield helped tremendously ,solid changes like these won't negatively impact gameplay for any one.The main 4 skills that are used by all the rogues are fine already.
The other skills are lacking tho, even tho those are the skills that may give utilities.

Kraken claw proc cleans well, but i am joining you on saying that SB shield is just one of the best procs ingame right now for cheap.

The procs on rogue SB are not great.



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The main 4 skills that are used by all the rogues are fine already.
The other skills are lacking tho, even tho those are the skills that may give utilities.

Kraken claw proc cleans well, but i am joining you on saying that SB shield is just one of the best procs ingame right now for cheap.

The procs on rogue SB are not great.



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I never mentioned anything about SB gear or Kraken.

When i mentioned Shield i meant the Poll by the community which lead to Rogues getting a shield not too long ago, not the Star Beast shield. I understand you are trying to chip in, but please try to keep any posts relevant and backed by actual gameplay/insights.

There is no point commenting on skills right now since Devs aren't looking at it atm, as they said so in another post related to mage skill changes.

Also the shield implementation on Razor was largely due to the effort of the community bringing it up as a issue, just like how the mob clear on Rogue can be better and also is an issue (proc chance of Arti due to a lack of AOE/tick, haste on weps, multi hitting wep, etc).

This is getting out of the scope of OP for no reason. If you run Indigo with end game runners who have very good items, this discussion would likely have not even taken place, as it is self evident.