Thank you sts!

[Bless]

I would like to thank sts for the new update! It stops people from luring to halfway or to boss then start the timer, thats how people got kraag 2 in 7 seconds to get on LB. This would help others (like me) get a chance to get on LB.

[Fefferi]

.. I always wondered how it was possible to do any of that tomb stuff in only some seconds.. o-o

[Astrocat]

True, but now it is impossible to beat Records on Leader Boards since they been there when we could do it in few seconds.

[Rare]

True, but now it is impossible to beat Records on Leader Boards since they been there when we could do it in few seconds.

They are resetting it when the new update comes next week or the week after.

[Astrocat]

They are resetting it when the new update comes next week or the week after.

Yes, but it will then be Season 2. So, for the Season 1, we can't beat these records which is a bit unfair. :)

[Bless]

They are resetting it when the new update comes next week or the week after.

Yes, but it will then be Season 2. So, for the Season 1, we can't beat these records which is a bit unfair. :) ikr...but i guess these guys wont have a chance in season 2 lol...and atleast we wont have these ridiculous times in s2

[drgrimmy]

ikr...but i guess these guys wont have a chance in season 2 lol...and atleast we wont have these ridiculous times in s2

Won't have a chance in season two eh? Thank you for your uninformed opinion. We worked hard in the
constraints of the rules to get those times. Anyone else had the same opportunity. We spent several
hours with 4 guys, all with the top gear, repeating runs multiple times, discussing our strategy after
each run. We probably would have beaten the top scores no matter how the timer worked because
we were dedicated to do so. Please do not no disrespect people who worked hard to get these records.

[Rare]

Won't have a chance in season two eh? Thank you for your uninformed opinion. We worked hard in the
constraints of the rules to get those times. Anyone else had the same opportunity. We spent several
hours with 4 guys, all with the top gear, repeating runs multiple times, discussing our strategy after
each run. We probably would have beaten the top scores no matter how the timer worked because
we were dedicated to do so. Please do not no disrespect people who worked hard to get these records.

I agree. I don't think there was cheating involved. Everyone followed the same rules, and there was no secret to how it worked. So it wasn't any exploit. I think the developers feel the same way and have said as much.

BUT, it also wasn't intended to be that way. Hence the change.

[Astrocat]

Won't have a chance in season two eh? Thank you for your uninformed opinion. We worked hard in the
constraints of the rules to get those times. Anyone else had the same opportunity. We spent several
hours with 4 guys, all with the top gear, repeating runs multiple times, discussing our strategy after
each run. We probably would have beaten the top scores no matter how the timer worked because
we were dedicated to do so. Please do not no disrespect people who worked hard to get these records.

Calm down there :). Tell it more nicely and i'm sure he'll understand :).

[Bless]

ikr...but i guess these guys wont have a chance in season 2 lol...and atleast we wont have these ridiculous times in s2

Won't have a chance in season two eh? Thank you for your uninformed opinion. We worked hard in the
constraints of the rules to get those times. Anyone else had the same opportunity. We spent several
hours with 4 guys, all with the top gear, repeating runs multiple times, discussing our strategy after
each run. We probably would have beaten the top scores no matter how the timer worked because
we were dedicated to do so. Please do not no disrespect people who worked hard to get these records. Im not disrespectin anybody. But 7 secs? The devs didnt plan on making timed dungeons if they were gonna get invaded by people who try those kinds of methods, take a guess why devs nerfed the timer.

[Astrocat]

Im not disrespectin anybody. But 7 secs? The devs didnt plan on making timed dungeons if they were gonna get invaded by people who try those kinds of methods, take a guess why devs nerfed the timer.

Exactly :).

[Deathpunch]

Someone's mad because their time got beat, methinks, and due to the adjustment, they don't have a chance to reclaim the top spot. Maybe next time. :D

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[Astrocat]

Someone's mad because their time got beat, methinks, and due to the adjustment, they don't have a chance to reclaim the top spot. Maybe next time. :D

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I agree with that, even if StS should have reset the records made before the patch! :)

[mafiainc42]

no worries anyhow we be on top of season 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 etc etc should of beat um while u had the chance quit crying

[Astrocat]

no worries anyhow we be on top of season 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 etc etc should of beat um while u had the chance quit crying

No one was crying. :)

[Phoenician1]

I agree. I don't think there was cheating involved. Everyone followed the same rules, and there was no secret to how it worked. So it wasn't any exploit. I think the developers feel the same way and have said as much.

BUT, it also wasn't intended to be that way. Hence the change.

I agree with this sentiment. Technically, it sounds like the players involved did not cheat. They used the assets available to them in a completely legitimate way, they didn't take advantage of code issues, clipping, any number of other technical gaffs or oversights. So the records should stand.

BUT...that said, they clearly defeated the purpose that the developers had when they created a timed dungeon. I can't know, of course, but if you ask the players of pretty much any RPG including this one, 'Was the purpose of the developers in (fill in the blank) part of the game for all (or virtually all) of the obstacles and enemies to be ignored and/or sidestepped?', I believe we all know what the vast majority of gamers would say. So while they didn't cheat -technically- yeah, they absolutely took unfair advantage of a design oversight, which is why STS will be fixing the oversight going forward. (I say 'unfair' because while the flaw could have been recognized by everyone, it appears that very few players actually did recognize and use it. 'Fair' would have applied if they made everyone aware of how they were defeating the timed aspect by posting it on the forums, telling lots of people about it, etc., so that everyone was playing on the proverbial "level playing field", and they would have faced legitimate competition for the top leaderboard spots. They chose not to do that, and so I think that choice can legitimately be called not just an advantage, but an unfair advantage.)

Were they "wrong" for doing so? That's a moral question, and so I think has to be decided individually by each of us. But punishing them for recognizing a design flaw and using it to their advantage? Can't go along with that.

[Deathpunch]

If they really want to level the playing field:

1. Put up an enemy counter on timed runs.

2. Clock starts when the first enemy is attacked or killed.

3. Require ALL enemies on the map, from the boss on down to the lowliest of cannon fodder, to be killed before the clock will stop.

4. Have the finish line at the door or have the clock stop when the last enemy is killed.

Hope you didn't miss some lil mob dude at the start.

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[Bashem]

I agree with this sentiment. Technically, it sounds like the players involved did not cheat. They used the assets available to them in a completely legitimate way, they didn't take advantage of code issues, clipping, any number of other technical gaffs or oversights. So the records should stand.

BUT...that said, they clearly defeated the purpose that the developers had when they created a timed dungeon. I can't know, of course, but if you ask the players of pretty much any RPG including this one, 'Was the purpose of the developers in (fill in the blank) part of the game for all (or virtually all) of the obstacles and enemies to be ignored and/or sidestepped?', I believe we all know what the vast majority of gamers would say. So while they didn't cheat -technically- yeah, they absolutely took unfair advantage of a design oversight, which is why STS will be fixing the oversight going forward. (I say 'unfair' because while the flaw could have been recognized by everyone, it appears that very few players actually did recognize and use it. 'Fair' would have applied if they made everyone aware of how they were defeating the timed aspect by posting it on the forums, telling lots of people about it, etc., so that everyone was playing on the proverbial "level playing field", and they would have faced legitimate competition for the top leaderboard spots. They chose not to do that, and so I think that choice can legitimately be called not just an advantage, but an unfair advantage.)

Were they "wrong" for doing so? That's a moral question, and so I think has to be decided individually by each of us. But punishing them for recognizing a design flaw and using it to their advantage? Can't go along with that.
You seriously think if a group of people realize timer doesnt start till a mob is killed or there groups setup skills used strats need to be posted? I loled at that just sounds like somone mad cause they didnt catch it or figure it out. Sorry but people on the lb did all there times fair they took the time for elixir spent the plat. Dont be mad cause you didnt spend the time to get it were you wanted. a moral question? Now your makin it bigger then needed its a game the dungeons were like this for a long time. Nothin moral about it just strats used. So when people are on lb in season two is it wrong they dont share then cause you didnt spend the time/plat? Nope. I take pride in the times as im sure others on lb do we figured out how to get best times with current setups/gear.

[Astrocat]

You seriously think if a group of people realize timer doesnt start till a mob is killed or there groups setup skills used strats need to be posted? I loled at that just sounds like somone mad cause they didnt catch it or figure it out. Sorry but people on the lb did all there times fair they took the time for elixir spent the plat. Dont be mad cause you didnt spend the time to get it were you wanted. a moral question? Now your makin it bigger then needed its a game the dungeons were like this for a long time. Nothin moral about it just strats used. So when people are on lb in season two is it wrong they dont share then cause you didnt spend the time/plat? Nope. I take pride in the times as im sure others on lb do we figured out how to get best times with current setups/gear.

Don't get angry, their just stating their opinions :).

[mafiainc42]

Do you people want me to buy u lvl21 elite gear as well so u can be on level playing ground.. gtfoh.

[Astrocat]

Do you people want me to buy u lvl21 elite gear as well so u can be on level playing ground.. gtfoh.

Why so many people getting angry -.-

[Bless]

gtfoh. gtfo my thread. We have opinions, u have no right to burn our opinions down.

Anyways, funny, you guys are on LB cuz of that so thats the reason for hate. Id love to see u guys on S2 LB. GF.

Ps. Id like to keep this as a discussion.

[Astrocat]

gtfo my thread. We have opinions, u have no right to burn our opinions down.

Anyways, funny, you guys are on LB cuz of that so thats the reason for hate. Id love to see u guys on S2 LB. GF.

Ps. Id like to keep this as a discussion.

Miraclejr <3

[Phoenician1]

You seriously think if a group of people realize timer doesnt start till a mob is killed or there groups setup skills used strats need to be posted? I loled at that just sounds like somone mad cause they didnt catch it or figure it out. Sorry but people on the lb did all there times fair they took the time for elixir spent the plat. Dont be mad cause you didnt spend the time to get it were you wanted. a moral question? Now your makin it bigger then needed its a game the dungeons were like this for a long time. Nothin moral about it just strats used. So when people are on lb in season two is it wrong they dont share then cause you didnt spend the time/plat? Nope. I take pride in the times as im sure others on lb do we figured out how to get best times with current setups/gear.

Of course I don't think players/groups/guilds need to post more 'traditional' secrets; that would be stupid. But when an exploit allows them to essentially negate the presence of every enemy but one on the level, do I think they're taking a very unfair advantage over others? Hell yes.

Try thinking about it this way: If you and I were competing to see who could beat every enemy in a given dungeon first, and our equipment and stats were equal but I used a completely legitimate trick to cause you to have to fight and defeat nine times as many enemies as me, would you still claim that was a fair competition? As far as my being upset that I didn't figure it out, there's no way for me to convince you, of course, but I really don't care about my dungeon times, unless it gives me an achievement, as in the Hauntlett. My particular addiction is completion, not leaderboards. You won't find my name anywhere near the top of any of them.

I'll spot you that their (your?) times are LEGITIMATE, in the sense that they/you (apparently) didn't use any code tricks to achieve them, just cleverness in figuring out an exploit. They should stand. But FAIR? No way. Show me any other competition where one side or person gets to ignore 90% or so of the challenges that their opponents have to overcome, and I'll give you 'fair'. If not, then sorry, Charlie.

My comment about this being a moral issue is because I read several posts where people claimed that they/your times should be deleted in favor of the people who ran the dungeon as the devs intended. IMHO you can make that claim on a right/wrong basis, but that is based entirely on each one of us. I don't think you can make that argument based on the times not being legitimate.

But hey, like Astrocat said, this is just my 2 cents. It's not worth any more than yours or anybody else's.

[Bless]

You seriously think if a group of people realize timer doesnt start till a mob is killed or there groups setup skills used strats need to be posted? I loled at that just sounds like somone mad cause they didnt catch it or figure it out. Sorry but people on the lb did all there times fair they took the time for elixir spent the plat. Dont be mad cause you didnt spend the time to get it were you wanted. a moral question? Now your makin it bigger then needed its a game the dungeons were like this for a long time. Nothin moral about it just strats used. So when people are on lb in season two is it wrong they dont share then cause you didnt spend the time/plat? Nope. I take pride in the times as im sure others on lb do we figured out how to get best times with current setups/gear.

Of course I don't think players/groups/guilds need to post more 'traditional' secrets; that would be stupid. But when an exploit allows them to essentially negate the presence of every enemy but one on the level, do I think they're taking a very unfair advantage over others? Hell yes.

Try thinking about it this way: If you and I were competing to see who could beat every enemy in a given dungeon first, and our equipment and stats were equal but I used a completely legitimate trick to cause you to have to fight and defeat twice as many enemies as me, would you still claim that was a fair competition? As far as my being upset that I didn't figure it out, there's no way for me to convince you, of course, but I really don't care about my dungeon times, unless it gives me an achievement, as in the Hauntlett. My particular addiction is completion, not leaderboards. You won't find my name anywhere near the top of any of them.

I'll spot you that their (your?) times are LEGITIMATE, in the sense that they/you (apparently) didn't use any code tricks to achieve them, just cleverness in figuring out an exploit. They should stand. But FAIR? No way. Show me any other competition where one side or person gets to ignore 90% or so of the challenges that their opponents have to overcome, and I'll give you 'fair'. If not, then sorry, Charlie.

My comment about this being a moral issue is because I read several posts where people claimed that they/your times should be deleted in favor of the people who ran the dungeon as the devs intended. IMHO you can make that claim on a right/wrong basis, but that is based entirely on each one of us. I don't think you can make that argument based on the times not being legitimate.

But hey, like Astrocat said, this is just my 2 cents. It's not worth any more than yours or anybody else's. :D On mobile but thanks!

[Bashem]

First off no one has skipped mobs to get times on lb. Almost every mob has to die to spawn last boss. So sorry if you think its an exploit. We never hack stats ran to last boss to win u cant the boss isnt even spawned till mobs dead. I am deffending lb peeps yes im one cause we took the time to figure every cut away of seconds possible. You call us exploiters? For one how are we to know what they intend no one said anything till they changed when timer starts. So if you think were exploiters for taken the time to cut every second possible with the way THEY had it setup okies.

[drgrimmy]

Why so many people getting angry -.-

Because people are implying that we either cheated or don't deserve it. All of the times on the leaderboard have been there for a long time in relation to the life of this game for someone else to beat them. I am not an unreasonable person and would agree that it is not fair that people can no longer beat our times. I would be perfectly happy with the timers reverting back to how they were before the update so everyone has a fair chance to beat these times. When season 2 starts, the new timer system should then be implemented to prevent what people interpret as "cheating." I think this is the most fair of all solutions and would hope that everyone agrees. I do not mean to sound like I am getting angry, but I do have to defend myself.

[Bless]

Bashem read phoes post.

[mafiainc42]

trust me we will be on all seasons believe that!!!!!

but first we will beat bael in 4minutes :-)

Judgements da name beast modes my game...havnt u heard...

[csyui]

People on LB deserved the title, why you so picky about the way they get it?
I believe even in season 2, these bunchs of people still have a better chance to be on LB than you.

[mafiainc42]

People on LB deserved the title, why you so picky about the way they get it?
I believe even in season 2, these bunchs of people still have a better chance to be on LB than you.

i like this guy he has common sense!!!

[Bless]

People on LB deserved the title, why you so picky about the way they get it?
I believe even in season 2, these bunchs of people still have a better chance to be on LB than you. you guys were all butthurt when canop hacked his stats to get elite LB so sayin that just doesnt make sense, its not hacking right now but its still unfair as people have no way to get on some leaderboards because of new nerf. But its also a good thing cuz in S2 i wont see these stupid timings anymore,.. stop hating, if you wanna prove urself do it in S2 LB

[Justg]

This thread went south quick :(