How does armor work?

[Montanabro]

Haven't seen an explanation anywhere on the forums. Anyone know?

[Ðamned Øne]

Make a test yourself. I did one and I think it works like this :
What I did...
1.Go to Elite Bael Map , Check the damage as a warrior with gear ( 750 armor ) They hit around 350.
2. Unequiped an item that gives 100 Armor ( Shield x One Hand ) And it dropped to 650. Then they started hitting 380-400.
3. Unequiped helmet that gives 250 armor ( Equiped the Shield x One Hand ) 750 - 250 = 500. Then they started hitting 400-460. Crit was 610-620.
Conclusion : With armor at 500 , they hit 600? Poor rogues and sorcerers... with the 1200 HP That some may have now , and will have perhaps too , 2 shot I assume.
Another conclusion : How much armor is it necessary in order to be a good tank and do a map solo? Elite Bael would probably one shot you , as it did before though. More elite bosses can one shot you as well , as I have 2800 Health and 750 armor : (
Sad life , I was hoping to go solo for at least Kraag & Watcher's Tombs... But now they are even more difficult , profiting us nearly nothing , just experience... Soloing without having to use 100 potions and dying.
Died from a mob at the last new map in 3 shots ( Not Elite )
There goes my 0 death character with 80 deaths now.
Last conclusion : Impossible to keep a character with 0 deaths for now , until a further update gets released although I bet they will make the levels even more harder , impossible to do at a low level.

[CrimsonTider]

Most testing will begin with intro to pvp.

[dtandel10]

by equiping it XD

[Carapace]

Without going into too much detail, the general concept of armor in Arcane Legends is the more you have the better your damage reduction is. A very simplistic example would be something like if you had 0 armor and a level 12 mob hits you for 100 damage, you take 100 damage. If you have 341 armor in this scenario, behind the scenes we determine for your level that 341 armor is roughly 22% damage reduction, and thus you would take 78 instead. There are many other variables involved, but that's the general idea. As a wrrior tank, you probably want a lot of armor :)

I feel compelled to mention these numbers are fabricated for the sake of pointing out the general idea of how armor works in Arcane, and has no bearing on our actual calculations.

[Montanabro]

Without going into too much detail, the general concept of armor in Arcane Legends is the more you have the better your damage reduction is. A very simplistic example would be something like if you had 0 armor and a level 12 mob hits you for 100 damage, you take 100 damage. If you have 341 armor in this scenario, behind the scenes we determine for your level that 341 armor is roughly 22% damage reduction, and thus you would take 78 instead. There are many other variables involved, but that's the general idea. As a wrrior tank, you probably want a lot of armor :)

I feel compelled to mention these numbers are fabricated for the sake of pointing out the general idea of how armor works in Arcane, and has no bearing on our actual calculations.

Thank you!

[ShadowGunX]

Without going into too much detail, the general concept of armor in Arcane Legends is the more you have the better your damage reduction is. A very simplistic example would be something like if you had 0 armor and a level 12 mob hits you for 100 damage, you take 100 damage. If you have 341 armor in this scenario, behind the scenes we determine for your level that 341 armor is roughly 22% damage reduction, and thus you would take 78 instead. There are many other variables involved, but that's the general idea. As a wrrior tank, you probably want a lot of armor :)

I feel compelled to mention these numbers are fabricated for the sake of pointing out the general idea of how armor works in Arcane, and has no bearing on our actual calculations.

great info. thanx for sharing the info.

[Energizeric]

Sounds confusing. I wish they just used a basic system with simple math. If your armor is 300 and you get hit for 400 dmg, you are damaged 100 points. Very simple. Your armor absorbs a fixed amount. The way this is it makes it confusing trying to decide which gear to get. For example, I can get a ring which gives a damage bonus vs. a ring with armor bonus. So how do I know which is better? Is a certain amount of damage equal to a certain amount of armor? No way to know with this system since they both use a different scale of points.

[digitalbot]

how about shield in passives? does it only add ONE point? (warrior) im not really noticing a difference
and are glowstone rings bugged? theres a lvl 21 less dmg but with (one point MORE armor) than its lvl 20 that has way more dmg

::confused what to do here::

editt:: glowstone hoop of warfare

[Carapace]

any items or pet passives/bonuses that "reduce damage by x%" effectively work as an addition to the algorithm. If given the amount of armor you have you have say, 37% damage reduction (behind the scenes mind you) that extra 2% damage reduction applies directly to that number, giving you a 39% damage reduction. It's a huge stat, because it's circumventing the normal armor associated algorithms that determine armor value based on things like level, level differences and the like and sticks it straight on. Damage reduction is a very powerful stat. The power of it this stat is why the damage reduction stats were reduced across the board for pets because they were incredibly overpowered with the revamp.

[Traebeles99]

This is so confusing lol but thx.

[Carapace]

This is so confusing lol but thx.

Don't trouble yourself with the details :)

Bottom line highlights:

More armor will help you live longer!
Damage reduction is good!

[KingGiant]

Its SOOO much better this way then just a 1 armor deducts 1 dmg formula. The simplicity used in the PL values were like a 3 year old set them up. I like the vaues to be at least somewhat obscure. Only way to know what eqip you really want to use thru testing. An MMORPG where everything is just told to you is a boring rpg indeed.

[Carapace]

Here's a post from MonkeySphere on more specifics about armor



Armor works like this:

Armor Value * (Armor Modifier by level of attack mob) = Damage Reduction

This modifier goes down as the level of the attacking mob goes up, so that more armor is needed to maintain Damage Reduction as the player moves into higher level content.

This passive is a multiplier on the Armor Value, so that a small change might not have a huge impact on Damage Reduction, but the higher the base Armor Value the player has the more this passive is worth. Therefore, this passive is way more effective for a warrior is max armor than it would be for a sorcerer in medium armor.

For example:

Warrior with 980 armor at level 21 vs. Sorcerer with 500 armor at level 21.

Warrior DR w/out passive - 980*.00047619 (attacking mobs modifier) = 46.6% DR
Sorcerer DR w/out passive - 500*.00047619 = 23.8% DR

Warrior DR w 4/5 passive - (980*1.04)*.00047619 = 48.5% DR
Sorcerer DR w 4/5 passive - (500*1.04)*.00047619 = 24.7% DR

This benefit will grow as armor values get higher, which is one of the reasons why this passive will probably never go beyond its 5% increase. It would just become too powerful over time.

[Traebeles99]

Hmmm Im starting to get it lol thx.

[Energizeric]

Don't trouble yourself with the details :)

Bottom line highlights:

More armor will help you live longer!
Damage reduction is good!

I'm very much a math person and in PL I use math to figure out which gear is better. This will especially become important when we get to PvP. Sometimes you have to make a decision between armor vs. damage. For example, Ring "A" may grant 10 armor & Ring "B" may grant 5 damage. In PL we know what that means and can make a logical choice. For clearing mobs with AoE attacks, the 5 damage would be better, but for 1-on-1 battles the 10 armor is better. But here in AL I have no idea what those numbers mean and would just be guessing as to which one to get.

[Tuik]

I've always taken armor over damage on my rogue but I'm assuming another 50-100 points of armor make no big difference? Say, 480 armor vs 580 armor and 10 points of damage more or less.

[ShadowGunX]

I've always taken armor over damage on my rogue but I'm assuming another 50-100 points of armor make no big difference? Say, 480 armor vs 580 armor and 10 points of damage more or less.

lol dude u havnt get it still :-P. read monkeysphere's armour guide above 2-3 times.

[CosmoxKramer]

Hi Carapace, do you mind sharing how the "damage" stat is calculated? I have found the hidden attacks per sec or attack speed for various weapons now that you show both Damage and DPS. I just can't figure out the calculation for Damage. I have a 90 Dps staff that does about 1.8 attacks per second. So the average damage is 50. Then I have 2 damage rings totaling 5.8 damage + 231% Bonus Damage. 55.8*2.31=128.9, but my damage shows 127.5. The difference could just be that the actual atk/s is 1.83 not 1.8 but I'm not sure. Any insight or can u just hint if the latter is correct :)

[Hroovitnir]

Well I had this same question and did my own math and checked it here, and I was pretty much spot on. For those of you saying this is confusing, perhaps a general breakdown for you. Correct me if I am wrong devs, but the math seems to breakdown to its simplest form as this: 15.5 armor = 1% Damage reduction, e.g. everytime you increase your armor by 15.5 you increase your damage reduction by 1%. So you get an armor piece that is 45 armor more than what you have now that's roughly 3% added onto your damaged reduction. I get that from doing some general math I won't bother you with.

[Sky../]

Well I had this same question and did my own math and checked it here, and I was pretty much spot on. For those of you saying this is confusing, perhaps a general breakdown for you. Correct me if I am wrong devs, but the math seems to breakdown to its simplest form as this: 15.5 armor = 1% Damage reduction, e.g. everytime you increase your armor by 15.5 you increase your damage reduction by 1%. So you get an armor piece that is 45 armor more than what you have now that's roughly 3% added onto your damaged reduction. I get that from doing some general math I won't bother you with.

And where did you get the data needed to perform this general math?

(I hope you did not just do 341/22 =15.5)

[Liquid Ice]

It looks like 21 armor to obtain 1% DR. And that's assuming the mob you're facing has the modifier given. No one knows if the modifier is from right out of Windmoore or if it's from elite tower.

[Hroovitnir]

Yes, it is 21 armor = 1% DR(I was doing math while reading the posts from cellphone). And that is my question as well about the multiplier.

[Sky../]

In that specific exampl, yes it is 21 armor per 1%. But then, each monster's multiplier is different, and is also affected by your level. So for some monsters it could be 15 armor per 1% and for some it could be 30 per 1%.

[Heiki]

Carapace what do you mean when you say armor is increasingly effective the more you stack it?

Is there a linear relationship between armor value and damage reduction or is it slightly exponential or something?

[Sky../]

Simplified answer is, for ex: 5% of 1000 (50) is bigger than 5% of 200 (10). So the more armor you have, the effect is increasing.

[rozowykubek]

are there some items with damage reduction ?
I have knowledge about pets but I do not remember to see any item with it hmm

[Heiki]

Simplified answer is, for ex: 5% of 1000 (50) is bigger than 5% of 200 (10). So the more armor you have, the effect is increasing.

I understand math :0 What I mean is the relationship between armor value and damage reduction being linear or sonmething else. In understand that speccing for armor passsive is more interesting the more armor you have.

[Liquid Ice]

I understand math :0 What I mean is the relationship between armor value and damage reduction being linear or sonmething else. In understand that speccing for armor passsive is more interesting the more armor you have.

It's linear; he gave the formula earlier on. The problem is that there are multiple linear relationships with different slopes depending on the mob multiplier.

[Hroovitnir]

So, how are we to know ? And are people multipliers different from mob multipliers or is there a flat range variable for people say it scales accordingly based on lvl of player and opponent. if so then we canfigure out exactly what armor equals to what dr for pvp.