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Eltivo
04-23-2010, 11:26 PM
There's something about MMOs that just says "we need 4 versatile classes to make for a jolly good time.

Those 4 classes obviously being along the lines of:
Warrior
Mage
Archer
Rogue

Pocket legends is a great game and has done so much in such a short time although the game is missing one dire roll or class in the MMORPG scene.....

The Rogue/Assassin archetype.
Roll: In most cases this class would be a high burst DPS class (like the Avian Archer) but more of a mid to melee range, and focusing on Crit rating over Hit.
Weapons: Claws/Daggers would be the weapon of choice (possibly duel-wield), and maybe throwing stars/knives for a mid range attack.
Equips: concealing ninja-esque attire with incredibly low armor.
Attributes: Rogue or Assassin would usually be a stealth type class meaning high dodge or avoidability to make up for the low armor.
DEX could be a good stat for this class but the best bet would be to make a new stat
LUK-Luck: A stat common to the rogue class in maplestory, ghost online, and wonderking.
Or
AGI-Agility: A stat equivilent to LUK in most of the 3D MMOs.

Example in Pocket Legends context:

Agility (or Luck): Increases your crit and dodge chance

Animal archetype: So every class seems to have a coinciding creature that goes hand in hand with the class
the ursan bear warrior
elven enchantress
avian (eagle) archer
So, what animal would a rogue be? There are 3 I can think of.
Fox
Racoon
or Badger.

Caspi
04-23-2010, 11:56 PM
I don't know, it just sounds a bit too simular to dagger archers. But if they could pull it off with ninja cloths ect, might work.

Anyways, for the races, a squirrle would also work :D a spider would also fit the descripion of agility and all, but that might be hard to animate in a way that is nice to look at.

Zithorio
04-24-2010, 12:43 AM
I don't know, it just sounds a bit too simular to dagger archers. But if they could pull it off with ninja cloths ect, might work.

Anyways, for the races, a squirrle would also work :D a spider would also fit the descripion of agility and all, but that might be hard to animate in a way that is nice to look at.

You find the way the chars move around nice to look at?! 0.o lol

I personally think a bat would work nicely. Silent, dark, fast and very agile. Ultra keen senses.

AmonRaa
04-24-2010, 03:06 AM
best chance would be to push the enchantress into battle mage and add a cleric class, but I personally think the devs have done a great job making every class good and complete enough to leave no regret.

A monk would be fun, but it wouldn't rely on armor and weapons, so
meh....

Shebee
04-24-2010, 05:32 AM
I don't honestly see a point in adding a rogue class to the game if we have dagger archers.

Splurd
04-24-2010, 05:43 AM
I don't honestly see a point in adding a rogue class to the game if we have dagger archers.

skill set for rouges would be more melee based.

But basically, the main problem with new classes is the lack of stats. I mean, everyone is so cookie cutter build, adding all into 1 stat to equip your items of choice, then the rest into dex.

Shebee
04-24-2010, 05:45 AM
Thats so true Splurd.
In my opinion they should fic the skills and attributes before they start doing anything else..

Chronical
04-24-2010, 06:10 AM
If there's going to be a rogue class, then I want it to be a fox :)

King Richie
04-24-2010, 06:45 AM
yeah fox would be the best ... FANTASTIC MR FOX IS MY NAME FOR THAT CHARACTER I DIBS IT NO ONE CAN USE IT !!!! IL EAT YOU IF YOU STEAL IT !!

Andy Knight
04-24-2010, 08:18 AM
LOL thats a ninja and plus if u go to towne theres a human there and he says the humans will be arriving soon. you do the math.

Chronical
04-24-2010, 08:23 AM
LOL thats a ninja and plus if u go to towne theres a human there and he says the humans will be arriving soon. you do the math.

Seriously? Gotta check that out! :D

Bandit
04-24-2010, 08:30 AM
Haven't seen this discussed, but maybe we could have job specialization - i.e once you hit level 40, you have the option to (if you're an enchantress) choose between Healer, FireMage, IceMage or whatever [off the top of my head - im sure you guys will think of some better ones - I dont have huge MMO experience]. Just some sort of advancement that takes you down a different path. I played MapleGlobal quite a few years back, and they had a job tier setup, if anyone ever played that game.
Anyway, just a suggestion, it wouldn't require huge hassle over creation of another race, equips could be kept mostly the same - just with some tweaks for the different properties of each new "job" (i.e extra fire damage would be preferred on an item for the FireMage). I think it would be faiiirly easy to implement, and at the same time exponentially increase the variation in characters

Banned
04-24-2010, 10:29 AM
The dagger is garbage so there really is no point to a rogue class. Even talons aren't very good weapons. The rogue would just end up being a cool looking class full of suck.

Splurd
04-24-2010, 03:15 PM
yeah fox would be the best ... FANTASTIC MR FOX IS MY NAME FOR THAT CHARACTER I DIBS IT NO ONE CAN USE IT !!!! IL EAT YOU IF YOU STEAL IT !!

Thought there was a 13 character limit =x

_ck
04-24-2010, 04:16 PM
CHAMELEON
Assassin/Thief/Rouge class

http://markovthoughtchain.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dsc00260.jpg?w=470&h=352

• Primary weapon: Double daggers
• Can sneak up on bad guys to deal deadly dagger blows before they know what hit them.
• Great dodging skills because of eyes that see in all directions.
• Skill: "Cloak" (a la Predator, bottom pic) for temporary invisibility and added sneaking ability.
• Skill: Can hurt his enemies with "Poisonous Tongue".
• Skill: Hold onto your enemy with your prehensile tail so they can't escape your deadly blows.

Not only would the chameleon fit perfectly into this type of character, but just imagine how incredibly cool and unique a chameleon character would be in the game with those googly eyes, tail and scaly, green skin.

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/a-list/creature-countdowns/cheats/images/cheats-chameleon.jpg

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/Kason2064/predator-cloak-image-01_w.jpg

Splurd
04-24-2010, 04:25 PM
I dont really see a point in cloaking though. You want to go around killing monsters, not hiding from them. At most it would be a cheap way to dispel agro bosses, so they go whack someone else.

What a rouge would specialise in, is melee dps, and evade, and crits. (oh snap, sounds like a archer with evade and focus doesnt it)
So unless they make an impressive list of skills, its not really going to work.

_ck
04-24-2010, 05:07 PM
But with things like quests and whatever else that might be added to this growing universe in the future, who knows, maybe cloaking would be a really useful skill (beyond the obvious of being completely invisible to your enemies) eventually. Mostly I just think a Chameleon would make for a really cool character, and they have a lot of unique things about them too that could easily be translated into things they could do as a character. Certainly make a lot of sense to me to use an animal that actually can camouflage itself as a kind of assassin/thief class.

Eltivo
04-24-2010, 05:28 PM
The dagger is garbage so there really is no point to a rogue class. Even talons aren't very good weapons. The rogue would just end up being a cool looking class full of suck.

Yeah daggers do suck which is why they'd be perfect. If you read my outline by weapons it says "probably duel-wield" meaning the rogue would have a dagger in each hand which equals twice the damage per attack. In fact, dagger damage could probably be lowered even more to make up for this.

Here's an example:
let's say a Mage is wielding a random staff-
(random numbers for example)
damage range: 36-40
DPS- 24

and a rogue is duel-wielding his daggers (identical in level to the Mage staff)
mainhand dagger:
damage range: 19-22
DPS- 14
offhand dagger:
damage range: 19-22
DPS- 14
total damage range: 38-44
total DPS- 28

get it?

Banned
04-24-2010, 06:02 PM
But it isn't the damaged that makes the dagger garbage. It's the speed. A rogue class should be all about SPEED. They are supposed to be stealthy and quick. But how the hell are they gonna be stealthy and quick with a weapon slower then a dang 1h sword. It just doesn't make sense.

Edit: I think a fox would be better btw.

Eltivo
04-24-2010, 07:02 PM
But it isn't the damaged that makes the dagger garbage. It's the speed. A rogue class should be all about SPEED. They are supposed to be stealthy and quick. But how the hell are they gonna be stealthy and quick with a weapon slower then a dang 1h sword. It just doesn't make sense.

Edit: I think a fox would be better btw.

Which is why Im saying dagger damage could be lowered in this scenario. What you're failing to see is duel-wield would mean twice the number of attacks.
So you have 2 daggers equipped, both with 1.0 attack speed. So because you have 2 daggers dishing out damage simultaneously we can divide the daggers attack speed by 2.
1.0 attack speed/2 daggers = essentially 0.5 attack speed.

Banned
04-24-2010, 07:16 PM
I could care less about attack. I just love being quick as hell. I wanna be like a Ninja Turtle. But your solution seems good enough :).

Purearch
04-24-2010, 07:28 PM
A Rouge/Assasin..... maybe if they were thinking on doing this they could make it a Praying Mantis?? any thoughts on that one?

Banned
04-24-2010, 07:29 PM
Ew. Fox is the way to go.

Purearch
04-24-2010, 07:30 PM
def agree with a fox as well..... lol

Eltivo
04-24-2010, 10:46 PM
def agree with a fox as well..... lol
Yeah fox is a perfect fit.... Although, RACOONS ARE SO COOL!

Banned
04-24-2010, 10:47 PM
So you want Sly Cooper to be a class?

Zithorio
04-25-2010, 12:43 AM
I think a bat or a mouse would do. Maybe medusa.

LordRaid
04-25-2010, 03:04 PM
If they're going to release another character/class.......
I want a badger.
EULALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (Catch the reference and get a cookie!)

-Ursan Warrior Slaps Badger Out of the Way-
*Meep* Guess not.

A.... squirrel!!
-Archer bears down upon squirrel, casts focus and proceeds to blast shot it to smithereens-
*Meep* Guess not.

A.... human?
-cricket cricket-
*Sighhhhhh*

A.... NINJA TURTLE!!
-Raucous Applause-

:P Yup. The crowd has decided.

Banned
04-25-2010, 03:15 PM
I haven't revealed this to you guys but I think it's the time... I am... a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fanatic. I am seriously completely obsessed with them.

Infamous-D
04-25-2010, 03:19 PM
Yaa a rogue would be great ! But I really do disagree with an animal that fits the role I think having two humanized chars like the enchantress would fit the role alot better. Having two animals and two human chars would make the game that much funner than it already is. So please ! Consider this because I think it's way better than 3 animals

Bandit
04-25-2010, 03:20 PM
"If they're going to release another character/class.......
I want a badger.
EULALIAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (Catch the reference and get a cookie!)"

>> ....im gonna go out on a limb and say - redwall reference? or am I just being uber uber nerdy :p

TheUltimaton
04-25-2010, 04:08 PM
Definitely needs to be a fox, they are practically the very ESSENCE of rogues and thiefs.

Cageymage
06-14-2010, 04:23 AM
1) my warriors name is Sunflash ... so I'm sure SOME of you here will get the reference ... im looking at YOU Bandit :D

2) Fox's would be a GREAT animal for a thief. Either that or, a mongoose. they seem really quick and what not.

Kingofthebear
06-14-2010, 04:37 AM
Does it have to be an animal? Aren't mages elves?

Humans would be cool, but it'd have to fit in to the way stats are doled out. One specialized in str, one in dex, one in int. Maybe a human would start off 4-3-3 instead of 7-2-1? That might be kind of lame though: jack of all trades, master of none :(

Then it might make sense to allow them to stand apart with skills designed to be a hybrid class. You could have your stun, regen, armor break, black magic, heal, etc...the same character would be able to play multiple roles without having to respec.

Kaizoku
06-14-2010, 07:36 AM
A racoon or tanuki would be good.

http://www.ninjadorables.com/Shop/NinjaRaccoonPrintsmall.jpg

Elfche
06-17-2010, 03:18 AM
def a fox

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs28/f/2008/128/b/1/Jade__Ninja_Fox_by_PookaWitch.jpg

Obliteration
06-17-2010, 05:26 AM
Telling you deathknight.... Caster warrior would rage.

Elfche
06-17-2010, 05:27 AM
Telling you deathknight.... Caster warrior would rage.

lol slightly different from str elf, which is a pally :P

King Richie
06-17-2010, 05:31 AM
I think they are getting rid of the animal theme soon enough and creating a single body type so that when hybrids hold certain items it will look natural !

Elfche
06-17-2010, 11:11 AM
they better not... if they change it all to humans I'll seriously quit

Tullen666
06-17-2010, 11:13 AM
they better not... if they change it all to humans I'll seriously quit

Same, the fact that its animals maybe childish buts its also what makes it different to other mmo's...its not human/dwarf/elf/orc its bear/avian/elf... such a more imaginative world, instead of another WoW clone.

Banned
06-17-2010, 11:32 AM
Same, the fact that its animals maybe childish buts its also what makes it different to other mmo's...its not human/dwarf/elf/orc its bear/avian/elf... such a more imaginative world, instead of another WoW clone.

Animals are more imaginative then mystical creatures now?

Barbamitsos
06-17-2010, 11:34 AM
they better not... if they change it all to humans I'll seriously quit

Elfche totally agree

Sayishere
06-17-2010, 11:37 AM
i want like a squirrel, like the one from conkers bad fur day, cute but evil :D

Tullen666
06-17-2010, 11:44 AM
Animals are more imaginative then mystical creatures now?

No not really, but they sure as hell are better than the same mystical creatures repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in every single mmo.

Elfche
06-17-2010, 12:02 PM
Ok so far we have


fox
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs28/f/2008/128/b/1/Jade__Ninja_Fox_by_PookaWitch.jpg

monkey
http://themonkeyninja.com/images/monkey_ninja_2_863m.jpg

and racoon
http://cdn.wolfire.com/blog/xissburg/NinjaRaccoon_1-thumb.jpg

Tullen666
06-17-2010, 12:07 PM
Ok so far we have



monkey
http://themonkeyninja.com/images/monkey_ninja_2_863m.jpg

and racoon
http://cdn.wolfire.com/blog/xissburg/NinjaRaccoon_1-thumb.jpg

Wheres all this sick artwork come from? whose up for another competition? Character class design contest!!!!

Elfche
06-17-2010, 12:15 PM
you can't win them all tullen! hahaha its from google... kind'a like the artwork of half the contestants from the last one ZINGGGGG

Tullen666
06-17-2010, 01:44 PM
you can't win them all tullen! hahaha its from google... kind'a like the artwork of half the contestants from the last one ZINGGGGG

I can't win them all ;) Ill take that as a challenge!!! Haha na your probably right, ill be excluded from winning ever again on here because people will think its rigged or something. And yeah google images is perfect source for people to steal imagery that they can say they drew!