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Emailjoseph
01-01-2013, 04:10 PM
If yes, then it should be better to use high DPS weapons, relative to the case without ranger. New to PL, not sure if I am correct. Found that... Armor break even point = DPS difference x multiple of speed / speed difference... Better to use high DPS weapon when facing armor below break even point, vice versa. Am I on the right track?

Emailjoseph
01-01-2013, 04:21 PM
Weapon A will have same damage as weapon B if enemy's armor is: ( DMG(A) - ARM ) / speed(A) = ( DMG(B) - ARM ) / speed(B) => ARM = ( DPS(A) - DPS(B) ) x speed(A) x speed(B) / ( speed(B) - speed(A) )

Suentous PO
01-01-2013, 04:27 PM
The two fox ranged attacks slow enemies not your attack. I'm a bit confused.

WarTornBird
01-01-2013, 05:44 PM
Sounds about right.

xcainnblecterx
01-01-2013, 06:32 PM
Im lost, but welcome to the forums

Emailjoseph
01-01-2013, 08:59 PM
Sorry for confusion. I mean "will poison needle slows enemy's attack speed? Or only walking speed?"

MightyMicah
01-01-2013, 09:13 PM
Sorry for confusion. I mean "will poison needle slows enemy's attack speed? Or only walking speed?"

Only Walking speed, yup.

Welcome to the forums, mate! :D

Xyzther
01-01-2013, 09:39 PM
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Emailjoseph
01-01-2013, 10:43 PM
Only Walking speed, yup.

Welcome to the forums, mate! :D

Thx! Then -65% speed is less fearful in pvp with push/ pull.

Find that DPS is important when combined with speed stats, and DMG is not important (implicitly captured in DPS & speed).

Ballista of velocity will give 168 DPS (after my base DMG without weapon) with speed 1.15, wicked bow of velocity gives 234 DPS 0.57 speed, which one is better? Answer I got is if enemy armor is below 76, then it is better with wicked bow, else it is better with ballista. AO2 enemy tops 106 AMR, so even if I break armor all the time, better with ballista. Formula: (234-168)x1.15x0.57/(1.15-0.57) = 75.72 AMR. Formula check: assume AMR 70, ballista DMG 193.5, hit per sec (HPS) = (193.5-70)/1.15 = 107.2, wicked bow DMG 134.5 gives HPS of 112.2 => if ARM 70, wicked bow is better; now assume AMR 80, ballista HTS 98.5, wicked bow HTS 94.8, so ballista is better.

Similarly, for bear, luminous harpoon of tenacity gives 164 DPS 1.0 speed and limbchopper of destiny 185 DPS 0.9 speed, what is the breakeven AMR? 189! So unless in pvp where enemy AMR is above 189, lambchopper works better.

For Mage, nightmare staff of brilliance gives 155 DPS 1.2 speed, alien staff of brilliance 197 DPS 0.8 speed, breakeven AMR is 101.

Not sure if I got it right.

Emailjoseph
01-01-2013, 10:57 PM
Correction, speed displayed in game is rounded. For bear, between harpoon and limbchopper, breakeven AMR is 130. Suggest to calc speed using DMG/DPS to improve accuracy. No change for Mage nightmare staff and alien staff.

Emailjoseph
01-01-2013, 11:20 PM
Also, absolute buff/debuff (eg ARM-10) affects fast weapons more, proportional buff/debuff (eg dodge-10%) makes no difference to breakeven armor.

Waug
01-02-2013, 12:14 AM
1) Glad to know someone interested in game mechanics.

2) Remove question mark from your original post :p

3) It's always preferable to chose dmg over dps in pvp.

4) If you calculated, weapon speed = dmg/dps - you're wrong.

5) Psychologic's theory about effective damage does not work in pvp for sure. I've solid evidence. implying most of your equations won't work in PvP.


Also, absolute buff/debuff (eg ARM-10) affects fast weapons more, proportional buff/debuff (eg dodge-10%) makes no difference to breakeven armor.

What? O.o

Emailjoseph
01-02-2013, 12:43 AM
1) Glad to know someone interested in game mechanics.

2) Remove question mark from your original post :p

3) It's always preferable to chose dmg over dps in pvp.

4) If you calculated, weapon speed = dmg/dps - you're wrong.

5) Psychologic's theory about effective damage does not work in pvp for sure. I've solid evidence. implying most of your equations won't work in PvP.



What? O.o

Ah, cool! Thx much

Emailjoseph
01-02-2013, 12:44 AM
Btw, is there a good pvp guide?

Waug
01-03-2013, 10:56 AM
Btw, is there a good pvp guide?

if you're talking about builds, combos, strategies there are many but in depth mechanics? ...... Rely on what's focused on pve, gl