12 plat for extra character (ripoff)

[Arcanee]

So I bought a extra character instead of making another account once I made the character I was very upset!
-You do not keep the same name
-gold is not the same on both accounts
-pets are not on both accounts
-kills and deaths restart
The only benefit is sharing stash! 12 plat for that? More like 5-10 plat

[grunt226]

You do share gold, via the stash. Plus you share plat.

I do think pets should be account bound instead of character, at least the ones you purchase with plat.

Question. Are all these things you pointed out things that you get in other sts titles? If so, then I understand your frustration.

Also, you can get a lot of free and cheap plat via trial pay, so 12 plat isn't to big a deal, but I would welcome if they lowered it. I have 1 of each class, and would like to roll another for each for dedicated PvP toons, but I don't see myself forking out another 36 plat for that. But if I get into PvP, it would probably be much cheaper than respecing all the time, assuming the PvP and pve build are dramatically.different, which I see them being.

Additionally, I like that kills/deaths are individual, they are different characters by the way. And in my.case since I rolled a warrior last, I wouldn't have the 6000 kill 0 death radio on my warrior, which I am very proud of.

[Wizard_Mike]

I find it strange that you would expect a separate character to have the same name, kills, deaths, etc. as your first character. Have you ever played an MMO (or any game, really) that functioned like that?

I can understand an argument for pets and gold being shared directly, but the name/kills/deaths thing just has me baffled. I'm really curious if you have an example of a game that does that, because I would be interested in seeing how that works.

Oh, and just FYI, you can put gold in the stash, too, if you haven't noticed. So technically your characters do share gold.

[grunt226]

I too have never seen a mmo where you share names between characters. And I've played a lot of the mmos, but I'm new to sts titles so I wasn't sure if they had done that in the past. I guess it would make it easier to recognize friends and such, but that would be a first for me if I ever saw that. Plus is would make your name choices a little more restrictive, a lot of people name their characters based on the class.

[Arcanee]

Ok I understand yall but the name part makes no sence I have played all sts games am not new to this but it was my first time buying a extra character on one account. But come on why not the same name ? It would be more worth it!

[Takezaki]

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This guy must be trolling.

[grunt226]

I still don't understand why you would want the same name, what other mmos do that?

[Wizard_Mike]

Ok I understand yall but the name part makes no sence I have played all sts games am not new to this but it was my first time buying a extra character on one account. But come on why not the same name ? It would be more worth it!

That's actually the part that makes the least sense, to be honest. Not trying to be mean at all, so I apologize if it seems that way.

Different characters are just that: different. They are separate. I'm thinking that perhaps you had the idea that the buy an extra character slot was actually just a way to switch between classes on the same character. I've thought about MMOs using a system like that before, but I've never actually seen any game use anything close to that.

In all fairness, I think you should change the thread title to remove the "ripoff" part from it. It's a derogatory statement based on a uninformed expectation. It's simply not reasonable to call something a ripoff when you didn't know what you were purchasing to begin with.

I'm not saying you did anything wrong by having those expectations. But to assume something is one thing, purchase it based on those assumptions, and then become angry at the company once you find out it's something else is definitely not right. It's not STS's fault that you had such expectations.

[Arcanee]

Am not angry at sts ive been playing since pl and they have made games very fun am just upset that I did not know what it came with @grunt226 If all mmo games were alike there would be no reason to make more so just because some other mmo doesnt have something doesnt mean sts cant have it either you obviously compare other mmos to sts mmos so please dont say (what other mmo does that) @takezaki am not trolling

[Arcanee]

I would take ripoff and put unexpected but no option without askibg a dev

[Energizeric]

If pets were for the account, then you could use your level 21 pet with your level 1 character, which would mean your pet hits harder than your character. It wouldn't work right, and it would make it too easy especially when pets reach higher levels.

[grunt226]

Different characters are just that: different. They are separate. I'm thinking that perhaps you had the idea that the buy an extra character slot was actually just a way to switch between classes on the same character. I've thought about MMOs using a system like that before, but I've never actually seen any game use anything close to that.

Final fantasy online. You can have 1 character that can max out every class. You could even choose a main class and any other class as a secondary... like a warrior/white mage or a monk/ranger.. it was actually a really cool system, but when I played that game (at its inception) it was very very very party/group dependant and you couldn't even lvl past 12 or so without farming xp as a group with designated tanks, healers and dps all doing their part. Plus when you died, you lost xp.. very frustrating.

[grunt226]

@grunt226 If all mmo games were alike there would be no reason to make more so just because some other mmo doesnt have something doesnt mean sts cant have it either you obviously compare other mmos to sts mmos so please dont say (what other mmo does that)

I never said all mmos had to be the same, all I meant was why you acted like that was something that was common and to be expected... if that was the norm I would understand, but since it is completely unheard of, why are you surprised and upset that this was not the case. There are many mmos, and I have played pretty much all of them and as different as they all, they all follow a specific recipe to be successful.. so they are all different but at the same time, very much alike.

And obviously I compare one mmo to another... they have been around almost a decade now, so precedent had been set on almost every feature that makes a mmo a mmo... don't even know why you would say that? And nothing you were upset about really exist in anything else, I'm just curious as to why you were expecting these things? If this were the first mmo out, then that's one thing, but this genre, at this point, has become very well defined and most features are either present in the vast majority of mmos or not.

[CosmoxKramer]

Also, 12 platinum cost nut you get 10 back by leveling, so it costs only 2 in the end.

[Vael]

@grunt226

I agree, and although I respect Arcane's opinion, I was baffled by his/hers suggestion. I've been playing WoW forever, and have played multiple other MMO's, including all of the other STS titles, and I share your confusion. Honestly I think it would be the worst mistake STS ever made to make it so when you make a new character it keeps the same name, level, pets, and ect. In essence, that's not making a new character at all. That's just switching a class. While I think it would be cool to have the option to buy a class-switch (such as in WoW), it would completely ruin the character making paradigm in my opinion. What would be the fun in that? You make a new character because you want a new play experience. Some people hate leveling, but for me it's a big part of the game.

[Vael]

Also, you do indeed share gold. You can put it in your stash and retrieve it from another character. If you had 500k, and made a new character and that one started with 500k too, you would have 1 mill. And that would completely destroy the economy. People would just save up, make new characters, and become rich in no time. Also taking out a good chunk of what makes the game fun IMO.

[Vael]

I just tried posting another thing, but it didn't seem to work the first time, so I tried again, and it didn't work so I apologize if 2 paragraph posts show up.

[Wizard_Mike]

Final fantasy online. You can have 1 character that can max out every class. You could even choose a main class and any other class as a secondary... like a warrior/white mage or a monk/ranger.. it was actually a really cool system, but when I played that game (at its inception) it was very very very party/group dependant and you couldn't even lvl past 12 or so without farming xp as a group with designated tanks, healers and dps all doing their part. Plus when you died, you lost xp.. very frustrating.

Oh, figures. One of the few MMOs I never tried has that feature, lol. I always thought it would be cool for a single character to level up as one class, go to a job station (for lack of a better name) and switch to a different class and level up again. The player could switch between any class, with each class being leveled separately. A set of equipped gear would be "stored" on the class it went with, which would automatically swap out when switching classes.

Is that kind of how it worked in FFXI?

[Wizard_Mike]

If pets were for the account, then you could use your level 21 pet with your level 1 character, which would mean your pet hits harder than your character. It wouldn't work right, and it would make it too easy especially when pets reach higher levels.

Yeah, that would definitely be a problem. Of course, if they made pets work for your account, they could just limit each pet's level to the level of the character summoning it. For example, say you have a level 19 Wrathjaw. When you summon it with your level 21 Sorc, Wrathjaw shows up at it's current level of 19. If you summon it with your level 13 rogue, Wrathy is limited to being level 13.

Just gotta think outside the box! There's always a way to make something work. ;)

[grunt226]

[QUOTE=grunt226;920427]

Oh, figures. One of the few MMOs I never tried has that feature, lol. I always thought it would be cool for a single character to level up as one class, go to a job station (for lack of a better name) and switch to a different class and level up again. The player could switch between any class, with each class being leveled separately. A set of equipped gear would be "stored" on the class it went with, which would automatically swap out when switching classes.

Is that kind of how it worked in FFXI?

It has been years since I played that game, but from what I recall when you changed jobs it would either restore the previous gear set or equip the best gear for that job... but I don't remember for certain. They also had a lot of classes (maybe 12-15 or so), and"hero" classes that could be unlocked in end game, definitely plenty of things to do. But that games was crazy time consuming... like, end game raid bosses taking hours to kill.

[Arcanee]

@cosmoxkramer I did not get any plat for lvling that new character maybe its a bug or maybe its just not a feature on buying a extra chara indeed I bet you will call me names because you think I did get plat but didnt but oh well doesnt bother me (:

[grunt226]

@cosmoxkramer I did not get any plat for lvling that new character maybe its a bug or maybe its just not a feature on buying a extra chara indeed I bet you will call me names because you think I did get plat but didnt but oh well doesnt bother me (:

I'm pretty sure you are right, I think you only get plat for the first 10lvls of your first character on a new account. But like I've started before, you can get a lot of plat for free... I think you can get upward of 200 plat without spending a dime, the real play, old navy, gap, and a few others give you lots without spending anything, plus the apps to download and such.

[eugene9707]

If pets were for the account, then you could use your level 21 pet with your level 1 character, which would mean your pet hits harder than your character. It wouldn't work right, and it would make it too easy especially when pets reach higher levels.

if higher level pet is the problem........ what about ... you keep the pet but they all starts from lv 1 ? :)
so you need to level them up again, but not spending more money or plat or time to get it again ? :)

[grunt226]

If pets were for the account, then you could use your level 21 pet with your level 1 character, which would mean your pet hits harder than your character. It wouldn't work right, and it would make it too easy especially when pets reach higher levels.

if higher level pet is the problem........ what about ... you keep the pet but they all starts from lv 1 ? :)
so you need to level them up again, but not spending more money or plat or time to get it again ? :)

I agree with this, sts could really work in a choice to restrict the pet level to Max of the character lvl.

But keep in mind, if they were to implement this change, it would kill the pet market, the only sub market that seems to be some what stable. Everything (mostly) has a pro and a con.

[naifas]

@cosmoxkramer I did not get any plat for lvling that new character maybe its a bug or maybe its just not a feature on buying a extra chara indeed I bet you will call me names because you think I did get plat but didnt but oh well doesnt bother me (:


True. you don't get plat for levling the 2nd toon. You better create a new account get the 10 plat for leveling in that account and use it for 2 respecs or for some elixirs. Right now there is no incentive to buy the 2nd character for 12 plat. As for the gold, you can share gold via trade...so no point in spend 12 plat which make the option to buy the 2nd character a bit silly.

[Rare]

So I bought a extra character instead of making another account once I made the character I was very upset!
-You do not keep the same name
-gold is not the same on both accounts
-pets are not on both accounts
-kills and deaths restart
The only benefit is sharing stash! 12 plat for that? More like 5-10 plat

???

1. You bought a different toon slot. Why would you have the same name?
2. You can share gold through the stash as Grunt mentioned.
3. Indeed... its a different toon.
4. Indeed... its a different toon.

The benefit is if you buy platinum you can share it with every toon on the same account. This is THE biggest benefit. You can share stash slots as well. So you only need to buy them once.

You think 12 plat is a ripoff but 10 plat is ok???

its 50 plat in DL btw.

[Rare]

if higher level pet is the problem........ what about ... you keep the pet but they all starts from lv 1 ? :)
so you need to level them up again, but not spending more money or plat or time to get it again ? :)

STS has to make money somewhere. They aren't gouging us for elixirs in this game. You should be happy with it. So you spend 90 plat on malison. That's 2 1 hour thrashers elixirs in PL. Perspective people :)

[Arcanee]

@aedenos as you can see you wasted your time restating all that because we have already covered that :)

[Rare]

@aedenos as you can see you wasted your time restating all that because we have already covered that :)

AWWW DANG! What's am I gonna do now? :miserable:

[grunt226]

@cosmoxkramer I did not get any plat for lvling that new character maybe its a bug or maybe its just not a feature on buying a extra chara indeed I bet you will call me names because you think I did get plat but didnt but oh well doesnt bother me (:


True. you don't get plat for levling the 2nd toon. You better create a new account get the 10 plat for leveling in that account and use it for 2 respecs or for some elixirs. Right now there is no incentive to buy the 2nd character for 12 plat. As for the gold, you can share gold via trade...so no point in spend 12 plat which make the option to buy the 2nd character a bit silly.

First, it really cumbersome to log into multiple accounts on this game, if you regularly play 3 different characters, as I do, that would be really annoying to have to log completely out of each account every time I wanted to play a new character. Hardly worth saving 24 measly plat.

Secondly, you can't trade plat, so that means having to get X amount of plat for each character. Pass

I think it's funny that people are complaining about such a small amount of platinum