Bit sad with the current stat of the game.

[naifas]

Hello all.

Just want to let you guys know ( STS the most ) that i'm a bit sad with the current stat of the game.

Here is why:

1 - I've read somewhere a dev stating that they were working in the risk/reward of the elite dungeons

i don't fell they are rewarding, at least with the current drop rates, i mean, not that they are low, but they are very inconsistent.

I can farm for 30 mins and get 2 elite gold chest 3 silver and 3 copper, and some times i farm for hours with 0 chests to show, right now i'm going for

my third day with intensive farming and all i have to show it's 5 elite banded copper chests, that's rightm 3 days of intensive farming and only 3 copper

chest. And what bothers me it's to see the other players getting silver and gold chest one after another, this one guy, did 2 straight runs with me and he got 2 elite gold chest. lol

2-When i want to take a break from this awkwardness that is the pve drop rates, i do some PvP. But again no fun in that anymore.

Jump to PvP room, and i fell i'm gimped to test it because i have a pve spec, can't have fun because my character it's optimize for pve not for pvp, i thought the devs wanted us to test pvp, but how can i test pvp if i cant respect? well i can, but at my expensive...is this right?? i mean, they want us to test the game but i have to pay to test it? it feels like.....hey guys want to test my beta version? you only have to pay.....

You should not have to pay real money to test something...it's bad business

But lets not focus on the free respec devs didn't gave us to test their game.

Right now every time i try to play pvp i'm faced against at least 3 warriors, making the game unplayable for the other team..it's 6 secs invincibility with a very nice damage ( windmill ).

So, just to resume, "i'm burned out of farming, lets do some pvp....damn..unplayable.."

No farming, (can't stand farm a all day just to get nothing) no pvp, (enough of the one-shooting rogues and invincible warriors while mages are good for nothing )....so what's left?

This was not a rant, just wanted you guys know how i feel about the game right now, because i want this game to be good, i had so much fun until now.
If devs know what issues cause players to stop playing, maybe they will improve the game.

About the pvp part, i'm not a mage, i play a rogue, but i don't like the current stat of the game, no fun in one-shooting other players, maybe that's why i never liked twinks. Never understand what kind of challenge twinks have facing noobs and under-geared players and claiming they are the best out there..don't make sense to me. If you guys want a challenge, cap and come play in the 21 bracket ( well when they fix brackets that is :P )

Take care and have fun

[Fyrce]

Um, it's random.

Or maybe you should just stop opening chests, thus making the assumption that it's NOT random.

[Ruejade]

I feel you about the farming part. My luck sucks. My only advice is that you should start running elite tower or elite grounds. Sell the elite banded chests. I get a more consistent income by farming elite banded chests and selling them.

Ditched Jarl farming for almost 3 weeks already, now I usually run elite grounds solo. I'm a rogue btw. It's not that hard, you just need to be willing to spend on pots and know the map well.

[Heiki]

The warrior invincibility you talk about doesn't work in pvp. And I don't know how YOU would see it work because we don't have access to health bars of other players.

[Cero]

1. that's just normal for an MMO. having a game that gives items by random/luck makes the game to be played more. IF arcane legends hands out items easily who would play when you got all the best gears?
Hard drops just make people to farm more and play.

by having hard drops will also gives pricing in game economy. As i said having easy loot wont make this game last for long. take a look at loki before it was like 100k or more but now that they can be easily farmed i bet no one even bothering to buy for they can be just looted.

I know it sucks having a hard time in this mobile mmo but hey, you did enjoy it!



2. using PvE spec+ low quality gear wont give you any enjoyment but benefits others(lol). And they even promise us that AL will have FREE RESPEC before the game went live.


hope you'll stay:)

[naifas]

Um, it's random.

Or maybe you should just stop opening chests, thus making the assumption that it's NOT random.

I don't open the chest, it's the chests drops that bother me. Like i said, i can farm only for a half an hour and get like 2 gold 3 silver and some copper, but i can intensive farm for 3 days and get only 3 coppers...i don't even try to open the chest because it's bad enough to get the chests, let alone get any pink above 50k gold.

What i'm trying to say is this RNG system for chest drops and them the RNG again to open chests it's not rewarding and don't make people want to play/farm once they're cap.

I guess a token system were each boss give you x tokens and then you could by your gear with those tokens.

Or a specific loot table for bosses, instead of droping the chests or gear based on rng, you could farm a specific item you want in a specific boss, something like boss fixed loot tables, in these cases you can go farm a boss, knowing you will have RNG, but, with time it will give you that item you are chasing.

Or with the token system, farming will be rewarding, because after you put some time you will get the item you farmed.

Right now you farm chest, rely on RNG to drop the chest, then you have to rely in RNG again to open chest, and then if you're lucky enough you will find a worthy item that you can sell, to make gold to buy the item you really want.....this is not rewarding and don't make people want to farm/play after they're caped.

This is my point of view....are you guys satisfied with the grinding the end game is right now? i mean, mindless grinding, because you have to deal with RNG in so many stages to get 1 item...do you thing this is good game development?

Games are meant to be fun and rewarding, basing all end game content in pure RNG it's not fun or rewarding.

[naifas]

1. that's just normal for an MMO. having a game that gives items by random/luck makes the game to be played more. IF arcane legends hands out items easily who would play when you got all the best gears?
Hard drops just make people to farm more and play.

by having hard drops will also gives pricing in game economy. As i said having easy loot wont make this game last for long. take a look at loki before it was like 100k or more but now that they can be easily farmed i bet no one even bothering to buy for they can be just looted.

I know it sucks having a hard time in this mobile mmo but hey, you did enjoy it!



2. using PvE spec+ low quality gear wont give you any enjoyment but benefits others(lol). And they even promise us that AL will have FREE RESPEC before the game went live.


hope you'll stay:)

Hi mate, tanks for spending your time to post here,

I don't want good items to be easy, like you said, if they were, the game would not be fun or challenging, my complains are about the chest.

We can have a RNG system with fixed loot tables, I've played other mmo's, ( played WoW for 4 years and rift for 2 more and still playing GW2) and i allways have been comfortable with the RNG.

let's say:

mighty vorpal sword of assault only drop from thun'k one eye. and as a 0,05% chance to drop. The item will still be very rare but much more enjoyable to farm, knowing that i have only to deal once with the RNG, and if i put some time in it i will have the item.

or:

mighty vorpal sword of assault cost 300 tokens. and each boss in elite maps give 1 token per kill.
The item will be rare, will be expensive, it will be some grind to have the item, but you have sure that after 300 boss kills you will have what you work for. For me this is the most rewarding system i found in every mm'o i played.

You see, I don't want the game easy or items given with no work, just want a better rewarding system, something that make me go on in intensive periods of farming because i know, with hard work i will have what i work for.

[naifas]

The warrior invincibility you talk about doesn't work in pvp. And I don't know how YOU would see it work because we don't have access to health bars of other players.

because i have a warrior and i know their skills, warrior have a shield that heals them, give them a HoT and invincibility for 2 secs. 3 warriors on a team it's 6 secs invincibility.

Look, i'm a rogue, and i know rogues are just stupid atm, one -shooting it's not good for pvp, rogues should have high damage but the other classes should have time to react and even the play field.

and why do i need health bars if i see 3 warrior destroying a team of 5, going for the flag, killing everyone in the way back score rinse and repeat without anyone dying?

I just don't understand why people claim they want a balanced game but when comes the time to be honest about your class you don't want anything changed......

It's like the Twinks...put them in their own bracket and you will see twinks vanishing...Back when I played WoW, there was lots of twinks who claim they wanted more challenge, they even post it on forums, things like "there is no good twinks out there" like post i see in these forums, but do you know what happen when blizzard made a twink only bracket? lol, that's right, twinks just died

[I'm Siri]

That why my Mage retired from pvp. What so fun to play a Mage if Rogue got mostly all the kill and Warrior with the flag jump over the room.
Yes, Pvp is still fun if you are a Rouge or Warrior.
Mage got no way, no chane at all to catch up the kill count by rouge or flags cap by war.
So what Mage gonna do in pvp. Ya ya. I know iknow. Mage is support class. Support Rogue to kill. Support war to flag right.? Lol
So Every game ended my kill ratio not even 1:5 compare to rogue or war.
you won't see me in pvp anymore until the class is more balance.
Don't tell me the game still on beta. Beta game doesn't need you pay (respec) to play like op mentioned.
So I totally can understand how naifas feel. You are not alone my mate:)

[Lady_Pebbles]

I agree completely with the original poster and Siri. I feel the same way. To me StS games are getting more & more repetitive & boring to me. Feels like they are too focused on AL cuz its the new best thing while neglecting the other games. I've been looking at other games to play that aren't made by this company because this is all getting old. Nothing new and fresh other than a pet system. They even said we'd have a brand new PvP system, its the same as every other PvP system they have with some adjustments and a very unbalanced class and skills system at that!

Farming gets boring, PvP is messed up, pets don't evolve & the higher lvl they are the more gold we gotta pay to keep them happy but can't keep up with that gold sink since not enough gold drops. Resulting in endless farming making us broke until we get a decent drop to get some gold. Most gold goes to pets happiness... Bleh.

Then we got crates to open with plat... Pfft I'd rather sell the crates for gold. Smh. Waste of money when the items are now cheap as hell for gold.

Smh.

[mafiainc42]

I agree completely with the original poster and Siri. I feel the same way. To me StS games are getting more & more repetitive & boring to me. Feels like they are too focused on AL cuz its the new best thing while neglecting the other games. I've been looking at other games to play that aren't made by this company because this is all getting old. Nothing new and fresh other than a pet system. They even said we'd have a brand new PvP system, its the same as every other PvP system they have with some adjustments and a very unbalanced class and skills system at that!

Farming gets boring, PvP is messed up, pets don't evolve & the higher lvl they are the more gold we gotta pay to keep them happy but can't keep up with that gold sink since not enough gold drops. Resulting in endless farming making us broke until we get a decent drop to get some gold. Most gold goes to pets happiness... Bleh.

Then we got crates to open with plat... Pfft I'd rather sell the crates for gold. Smh. Waste of money when the items are now cheap as hell for gold.

Smh.



LOL agree 100000000% been like this with sts for 200 years. Avabel looks very very good when english version hits

[Rollo]

I don't like the randomness of drops either, I'd like a fixed loot table for the "good" drops and random for the lesser quality gear. That's just my 2 cents. Stay classy forum posters~

[naifas]

Obviously you failed statistics because you don't understand how RANDOM works. Yes, sometimes you'll be lucky and get 6 chests in 30 minutes, and sometimes you will be unlucky and get nothing in an hour. That's how statistics and RANDOM works.

You complained about doing PvP against a group you don't like, if you had a group of friends to play with the chances of that are lower, you all join at the same time and start a game with 8 friends. It might not work each time, may get a random in there, but overall it will work.

Not everyone is in PvE specs, a huge chunk of my guild has moved to almost all PvP all the time. The patch recently was a pretty rush job, there was a huge bug making it very difficult for mages to play at all (in PvE) and they tacked on the relatively quick fix to point arrows to the other two sides (that IMO wasn't needed).

I do know how random work. I said i was fine with the random system in other mmos i Played but here you have to deal with it 3 times in a row just to get 1 desired item.

And what is that obsession about my friends? Lol

I do have friends in this game , and good ones.
But like me they dont enjoy PvP atm .

And its because i have friends in this game that i want the game to improve. That was the meaning of this post, to let devs know that many of us dont think its rewarding the current end game reward design

[HeartlessX92]

They were supposed to add a option to pay ingame gold to respec . I recall that in there talk last year. game came, nothing about it. So when I emailed sts asking why they didn't do it they replied with "sorry" . Meh whatever i guess lol. They Should just add a free respec weekend imo. But wont happen.

[Zaonabiuibil]

If you think this is bad, play SL for a few days.


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[Norbert]

I generally agree with your feelings naifas. Last weekend I went back to playing Pocket Legends for the first time in a year or two and had a lot of fun with it. That game has a loot table setup as you describe. In fact, there used to be lists in the forums of where various items dropped. I looked for something like that here until I realized it was random.

Valsacar, what you describe is probability, not 'statistics and random'. It's fine to disagree and voice your opinion, but you come off pretty harsh.

StS makes great games and this one feels really polished after playing PL again. I hope they make some epic content updates along the lines of Alien Oasis in PL. That was so awesome when it released, I remember really feeling scared and it was hard! Lets hope the pirates give us some great content and some of the other gameplay flukes get ironed out.

I also gave up on pvp for now. I have all three classes, but only respeced the sorcerer. Turns out it was a waste on him and I don't want to nerf the others for pve. I'm hoping for a dual-spec option.

[Lalarie]

Free respecs would be nice but I like the random loot, you'll never know what you could get.

[Ladycandyheal]

I generally agree with your feelings naifas. Last weekend I went back to playing Pocket Legends for the first time in a year or two and had a lot of fun with it. That game has a loot table setup as you describe. In fact, there used to be lists in the forums of where various items dropped. I looked for something like that here until I realized it was random.

Valsacar, what you describe is probability, not 'statistics and random'. It's fine to disagree and voice your opinion, but you come off pretty harsh.

StS makes great games and this one feels really polished after playing PL again. I hope they make some epic content updates along the lines of Alien Oasis in PL. That was so awesome when it released, I remember really feeling scared and it was hard! Lets hope the pirates give us some great content and some of the other gameplay flukes get ironed out.

I also gave up on pvp for now. I have all three classes, but only respeced the sorcerer. Turns out it was a waste on him and I don't want to nerf the others for pve. I'm hoping for a dual-spec option.

The voice of reason :) Very well said indeed. I also found PL fun but am not rich enough to play both, so went with AL.

I only play PVP with my Warrior which is enjoyable but I look forward to STS improving PVP greatly since it is only in Beta and unfinished. Will try again with my Rogue when I have much more gold saved to play with 2 characters.

I also hope the new expansion will be super fun like Alien Oasis is in PL with loads of new content plus good mythic/arcane items.

[fatcharlie]

I'm sure STS will be reviewing the fine points you mentioned and they will also add, "You can't please them all!".

[Darkgenocide]

These types of threads make me LOL....


You complain that items are too hard to get, I bet if everyone had the top of the line gear and you could run through any map at any time in 2 minutes or less because every character just owned and you had nothing else to farm for, you would be complaining that the game is not hard enough and you get bored of just owning everything and having nothing to try to get item wise or Gold wise...

I personally think AL Random system and gold drop system is perfect, I mean, the economy of every other item accept legendary items is a little messed up but that is probably damage that is irreversible to be honest...

Also, I bet when you go into pvp, you dont have very good gear and thats why your getting owned? if not maybe you need to learn pvp better? I dont blaim it much on respec since you could EASILY go do a offer on your cell phone or even the computer and get major free platinum... There are offers you can do daily to get 12+ plat each time and some others that give 20+ plat and take like 5 minutes or less to complete.. So, you not being able to respec is just a load of donkey poop with bits and pieces of corn in it and maybe a peanut or two....


I think PVP is also actually pretty balanced now, when i first played i thought rogues were MAJORLY overpowered but now that i know what skills to use and when, I can take 2 rogues and a mage on and whoop all 3 if I do it right as a Warrior. All 3 Classes have there own strengths and after you learn how to play your character with decent gear on, its not that hard to own.

Also, Decent gear is easy to get if you dont spend all your money feeding your pet, go spend 5 or 10k on cheap eggs and that fixes your feeding problem right there. I havent fed a pet in like 2 months, there is no reason to feed a pet. After your pet gets sad, switch to a new pet and continue doing that and you will never have to feed a pet again... Easy fix.

[Darkgenocide]

And my complain about pvp was because pvp is in beta fase, with many issues, and instead of fixing some of these issues or give free respecs for a proper test, they patched the so much needed pointing arrows..

I am sure they are in the process of fixing things up. I am sure a few arrows here and there is MUCH MUCH MUCH faster to add then re coding millions of lines of code to balance this and that and that for one, they have to figure out what to balance and where to balance it in the code and all that. I am also sure they dont have 30+ people working on this game at one time, at most they probably have 3 or 4 coders working out problems here and there that can take months, I would be wrong on the size of the company and how many people code this game and keep it maintained but even then it would still take a long time to correct and balance pvp while at the same time working on the new update for a hundred or so new items, new maps, new levels, new designs, all sorts of different stuff that takes time. My intention of replying to this post was not to bash anyone even tho now that you pointed out a few things i said it did seem that way (lol) which i appoligize for, I just hate when person after person think maintaining and fixing a small part of the game is within a snap of a finger when in reality its probably SUPER difficult.

also, in PVP Warriors are usually pretty tough to kill since they are ment to be a tank. its almost impossible to PERFECTLY balance a pvp system in ANY sort of game. I think the best PVP system I had ever played was in a game Called Neverwinter Nights. but there build systems were CRAZY detailed and if you did not know basic D&D math then your builds would just be horrible. This game ant nearly as detailed as most RPGs which bugs me a bit but hey, its still a good game ^^

[CosmoxKramer]

Farming gets boring


Farming is completely based on LUCK in this game. There is no other way to really farm. You can farm trash drops (because they aren't worth anything to sell), you can't farm gold drops because they are basically non-existant (1-2g from a mob or 5-10 from a chest). I could 'farm' dungeons all day and get maybe a total of 500g, which wouldn't even buy you a full stack of potions...

With 'farming' completely based on luck there is no reward at all if your luck is bad or the random-number-generating-gods are not smiling upon you. I know this is a portable MMO and is notably different that a full PC MMO, however the reason the full PC MMOs continue to keep attention after getting your gear is through the ability to grind out kills to farm gold, find/harvest crafting materials, and collecting vanity stuff. STS does a lot with Vanities, but with pets too easy to obtain (should be purely drops and not a high% from Klaas), then that would give you something to farm. They really need to balance the gold drops and vendor price of trash items, but i don't see that happening since you need LUCK or platinum to make money right now. I'm sure this is a nice revenue stream.

I really think they need to put in a better revenue stream (even if it was 1-3-5 platinum to open copper/silver/gold elite chests) but make item and gold drops more relavent. they just need some solution to this until they can put in some professions that can help them generate revenue.

the way it currently is where you purely rely on luck causes burn out on the game and people to quit (IMO). They could have a higher sustainability in player base if they made some of these changes to prolong interest and apply different and profitable means of farming.

[Ladycandyheal]

Agreed Cosmo. We need crafting!!! PLEASE give us something to do besides hoping to randomly get a drop.

I know STS don't have Crafting in the new Kraken Isles expansion coming next month but I pray they will add it soon. It will prolong interest and be profitable to those who no doubt will race to level 26. I hope they don't have another plat contest to get there.

[Lady_Pebbles]

@Cosmo: They generate a lot of money through of their games already. Especially PL & SL due to the fact they have reroll elixirs and hell, even elixirs you can buy with in game currency (credits & gold). Here, we are forced to buy plat to get elixirs in order to get decent chances for a drop.

[abekrivy]

Farming is completely based on LUCK in this game. There is no other way to really farm. You can farm trash drops (because they aren't worth anything to sell), you can't farm gold drops because they are basically non-existant (1-2g from a mob or 5-10 from a chest). I could 'farm' dungeons all day and get maybe a total of 500g, which wouldn't even buy you a full stack of potions...

With 'farming' completely based on luck there is no reward at all if your luck is bad or the random-number-generating-gods are not smiling upon you. I know this is a portable MMO and is notably different that a full PC MMO, however the reason the full PC MMOs continue to keep attention after getting your gear is through the ability to grind out kills to farm gold, find/harvest crafting materials, and collecting vanity stuff. STS does a lot with Vanities, but with pets too easy to obtain (should be purely drops and not a high% from Klaas), then that would give you something to farm. They really need to balance the gold drops and vendor price of trash items, but i don't see that happening since you need LUCK or platinum to make money right now. I'm sure this is a nice revenue stream.

I really think they need to put in a better revenue stream (even if it was 1-3-5 platinum to open copper/silver/gold elite chests) but make item and gold drops more relavent. they just need some solution to this until they can put in some professions that can help them generate revenue.

the way it currently is where you purely rely on luck causes burn out on the game and people to quit (IMO). They could have a higher sustainability in player base if they made some of these changes to prolong interest and apply different and profitable means of farming.

Lol, so true. I have such bad luck in the game that even with a luck elixer, they only re-roll maybe one time sometimes twice - usually for a purple or a green drop. If I do get lucky and get a golden chest & open it, it more often than not has nothing but greens. Darned near every egg or pink item I do get is as common as can be, only going for 400-500 gold.

I don't know why I burn what little platinum I have on luck elixers. I've run through maps with others that re-roll 4 times, while mine doesn't re-roll at all.

Yet I keep playing on hope that my luck will get better. :chuncky:

[razerfingers]

I myself are a pay to play player. I dont have patience to farm and dont have the gold to buy gear. So everytime i level to the cap i spent 70 plat on that gear gold pots and slots. Its just how i do. Basically i spend $20 every cap if i feel the need to level up my other toons in a timely manner. But the elite banners on the other hand are too repetative i wont spend money or time getting to elite cap for something i got last cap.

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[uzidredar]

Couldn't agree more with a thread! :thumbup:

I hope sts listens.
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[Norbert]

I myself are a pay to play player. I dont have patience to farm and dont have the gold to buy gear....

That's an interesting approach and I'm certainly happy to purchase platinum from time to time. A couple things though... for me I want something interesting to do once I hit cap. If there are some great items on interesting maps to farm, that can be a fun pastime. In PL, people go to a bunch of maps trying to farm particular items and some of those can be pretty challenging to play every time. I tend to try to do something to make some money for when the next cap comes and so forth. Right now I'm trying some market speculation, but so far not much luck... or a whole lot of fun.

One other thing I've noticed on playing PL again recently -- it's a lot of fun to see the pink show up when you get a drop. I've been playing again since Sunday and have had a number of them.

Ok, one more thing... :) Even the trash drops liquidate for a lot more gold than in AL -- 30, 50, even more than 300 gold each. After running maps (just leveling and questing) for a few hours and continually liquidating I seem to have 4 or 5k. After a few days I have 15k and have purchased a number of good items (not the best or anything, but stuff I'm pretty happy with) and I have also dropped some purple and pink items that I've used as well. I always like that especially.

For me the random (double, triple, whatever) drop system concealed in a chest just takes out some of the fun. And yeah, AL seems to be tightened down a lot on cash flow -- hopefully not just to drive plat purchases. I'd still buy (and always did with PL) for vanities and seasonal stuff, etc. I love to support STS so they can keep brining great games out. Let's bring back the loot tables and let everyone see that Agile Lifethief of Potency drop and all the 'nice!' comments go off.

[CosmoxKramer]

@Cosmo: They generate a lot of money through of their games already. Especially PL & SL due to the fact they have reroll elixirs and hell, even elixirs you can buy with in game currency (credits & gold). Here, we are forced to buy plat to get elixirs in order to get decent chances for a drop.



I hear ya. I wish they would 1) get rid of Jarl, 2) put in a reward system for clearing or finishing an elite dungeon so you could purchase gear and then it's not purely based on luck. Also, you would be playing the game actually, not zerging a boss an resetting every 90s. No Jarl, better gold from drops/vendor, crafting, would all help with sustainability and keeping a larger player base which would give more opportunities for revenue.