Founders type helm or shield for different levels of the amount of plat purched

[mejslll]

Ok, so we have as a group have been given different items for supporting Pocket Legends.

Founders for being here in the begining - Vanity - looks cool ( on bears only ) and gives bonus.

Shielf of gratitude - not sure why but thank you (for the partrons of pl) - vanity - no stat bonused - tho it should it would off set ppl who have the founders.

all the bonus items for capping each level - used to give stat bonused - now just vanity - tho enough of them added up gave us the new rings.



ok - so here is the real costomer service - promoting the ppl who buy plat and invest in pocket legends, not just with the time, but with good old hard earned cash!!

*if you buy any plat - vanity something (hat, shield) that gives two armor bonus
*if you buy 5,000 plat - vanity something that gives two hit bonus
*if you buy 10,000 plat - vanity pet that gives you 1 dodge
*if you buy 20,000 plat - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*if you buy 50,000 plat - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
*if you buy 75,000 plat - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*if you buy 89,281 plat - you give me some sort of founders type helm that says thank you and we want you to stick around because ppl like you are keeping us in business.

i personally would like (now that we are on the subject) a special pet or helm or shield or body armor that is used as vanity - looks cool - that would be similar in stats to the founders helm. and i have an idea - make it a pet, and it would be the money sign, it will add stats like 1 dodge, 2 hit, 1 regen to both, and 5 armor.

devils advocate... that would piss off every one in end game and give an advantage to the person who would "equip" that item!!!!... yep!! and why shouldnt it? if some one was willing to invest that much money in the game... A) it would keep them around to spend more money B) it would "thank" the person to who invested in to pl/sts C) it would promote some not all to reach that level (prob like 1% would actually qualify for it, half of those dont even pvp and ctf) C) it would be most likley adults who have a better perspective on what is fair and what is not. promoting a better playing game.

what are you thoughts... WOULD LOVE FOR STS TO COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL - in a open disscusion.

[mejslll]

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[Roberto077]

This means that free players would be at an even larger disadvantage. If you buy plat, you can buy premium gear.

[iRusher]

No.

[Chopper]

Buying platinum already gives players big bonuses in terms of being able to afford pets, elixirs, etc. that allow them to get more goodies.

And besides, plus 2 hit? Useless for bird who have already 200 hit percentage LOL

[dudetus]

Naa.

But would be nice if STS rly could give lil' sumthin back for long term players,

[LwMark]

Common if ur guna make a thread atleast know why the shield was givin out, u just got your helm an shield 3 - 4 months ago ;)

[mejslll]

This means that free players would be at an even larger disadvantage. If you buy plat, you can buy premium gear.

plat bought gear... sucks in pvp or in ctf - if a person used they would be at a huge disadvantage. even if they got some bonus item.

plat bought gear for pve would be helpful... but what real advantage would that be? maybe help a group of ppl? maybe less deaths?

[mejslll]

No.

hummm... interesting comment im still trying to read it all

[mejslll]

Buying platinum already gives players big bonuses in terms of being able to afford pets, elixirs, etc. that allow them to get more goodies.

And besides, plus 2 hit? Useless for bird who have already 200 hit percentage LOL

*elixers cant be used in pvp or ctf... no advantage
*buying elixers can help geting more pinks... but as we all know that is like 20 runs to get one pink... and it is very random - i normally use the 80 plat elixer and i dont think i get any better pink or more then the next guy.
*plus two hit for a dex bird is not too helpful - agreed. but if it were a bear or a mage, or a warbird or a pally mage - would be a slight help, and it would alow small ajustments to the over all play, right not any and i mean any dex bird with an eliete bow can kill any thing... so add 2 bonus to a opposing dex bird it may get you one more kill out of 10 = nice advantage.

[mejslll]

Common if ur guna make a thread atleast know why the shield was givin out, u just got your helm an shield 3 - 4 months ago ;)

mark you have the audacity to post here ... good, now just fork over some of the demonic sets you have to make up for the items you lost of mine... but dont worry if you dont there is a solution. i will get what you promised from you in value... sometimes that value is just watching the other person jaw drop from being suprised from who knocks on the door.

[mejslll]

Naa.

But would be nice if STS rly could give lil' sumthin back for long term players,

agreed... i am actually suprised that they dont alread like an awards system... i will assume that buying plat is substantial part of there income. not that i care to count their money but WHEN YOU OWN A COMPANY YOU ALWAYS - ALWAYS TAKE CARE OF YOUR BEST CUSTOMERS.

ALWAYS GIVE THEM DEALS OR PROMOTIONS JUST FOR THEM TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF - THAT WAY THEY STAY THE BEST CUSTOMERS.

AND I WILL SAY IN BIG BOLD LETTERS AND WORDS THAT I LIKE STS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND PROPS OUT TO MJOLSTIN FOR ALWAYS BEING HELPFULL AND POLITE EVEN THOUGH I DONT ALWAYS LIKE HIS/HERS ANSWER!!! THANKS BRO / SISTA

[Suentous PO]

The new stance is that all vanities will have NO stats, no more ever again. Sts has been pretty clear on this subject.
Even tho I would want it just because I do pay, I wouldn't want this for the game as a whole.
There would be an avalanche of complaints by ppl who feel its in fair. Just look at the amount of "founders unfair" threads.

[mejslll]

i will also like to add all the spacetime studios support for helping when i send out a request or have a question.

thanks guys!!

[mejslll]

The new stance is that all vanities will have NO stats, no more ever again. Sts has been pretty clear on this subject.
Even tho I would want it just because I do pay, I wouldn't want this for the game as a whole.
There would be an avalanche of complaints by ppl who feel its in fair. Just look at the amount of "founders unfair" threads.

well, that being the obvous thought proccess of the devs... and ppl who are in charge of those decisions i still would like to think that you should alway take care of the long term players, and the ppl who invest in the game/company.

the reality of the situation is the fallen prince items were traded up for bonuses, will they offer the rings to next level of up and coming players? rhinos? foxes?

and for the ppl who have the ultra wanted super fantaboulous founders helms - they have an advantage? and so few ppl play end game ctf/pvp it gives a few a large advantage - AND how may ppl would get a "founders" type item from buying almost 90k plat? 3 ppl? how many of those three would actuall even play pvp/ctf... so how may complants would they have that they already are not getting now?

one ? 10 ?

(not being as azz - just trying to through a different side to your post - hopfully in a nice way)

[tHelonestud]

Once you buy 100k platinum you should be completely invincible in pvp
After 200k purchased you are unbootable
300k you can join locked games without needing a password
400k you can block people from leaving a game
500k you can force people to respawn
666k you become a dev and get back the thousands of dollars you spent

[mejslll]

give ppl the chance to off set the founder helm, give ppl the chance to off set the fallen prince items bonus / ring...

and honestly - if some one is crazy enough to buy that much plat - FREAKING REWARD THEM!!! LOL - they deserve an advantage!!

(note: someone will post that fraud will hapen to get that much plat ... if a person bought 100,000 plat that would be 100,000 / 2000 (the best plat deal) @ 90 bucks per shot that would be 50 purches at 90 bucks or 4500,00 a) that would take a lot of time and easy to put that you couldnt purchase more then 2000 plat a day... b) credit card would get flagged after the third prucase at that dollar amount (maybe more) but it would be cought. c) sts would know who bought the plat by have a record of the purchase (i think? not sure) or they could just search the person who has that vanity and ban them for life... lol if they were being fraudlent

[mejslll]

Once you buy 100k platinum you should be completely invincible in pvp
After 200k purchased you are unbootable
300k you can join locked games without needing a password
400k you can block people from leaving a game
500k you can force people to respawn
666k you become a dev and get back the thousands of dollars you spent

om gosh !!!! this has to be added to the rules of pocket legends!!! and i will pay that much to get all of that!!!

bro that is soooo funny - damn i wish i thought of that !!! ahhahahhahahahahahahh

[Suentous PO]

well, that being the obvous thought proccess of the devs... and ppl who are in charge of those decisions i still would like to think that you should alway take care of the long term players, and the ppl who invest in the game/company.

the reality of the situation is the fallen prince items were traded up for bonuses, will they offer the rings to next level of up and coming players? rhinos? foxes?

and for the ppl who have the ultra wanted super fantaboulous founders helms - they have an advantage? and so few ppl play end game ctf/pvp it gives a few a large advantage - AND how may ppl would get a "founders" type item from buying almost 90k plat? 3 ppl? how many of those three would actuall even play pvp/ctf... so how may complants would they have that they already are not getting now?

one ? 10 ?

(not being as azz - just trying to through a different side to your post - hopfully in a nice way)
Will fix /rhino get a chance for rings? Yes, wait a cap.
How many complaints would there be if they did this? Dunno, one is too many.
And anyway vanities=no stats ever again.

[mejslll]

Will fix /rhino get a chance for rings? Yes, wait a cap.
How many complaints would there be if they did this? Dunno, one is too many.
And anyway vanities=no stats ever again.

will fox get a chance as well - i would assume yes... and how do you know ?

any one can say yes they will but has it been said offically?

[tHelonestud]

I find it humorous foxes and rhinos being underpowered was blamed on not having elite vanity rings
Also relating to elite vanities and rhinos/foxes
Why does that 1-76 cap not count? Let those people have their elite ring I mean I know it's all because of plat but still a lot of play time
Sorry for being off topic lol

[iRusher]

Common if ur guna make a thread atleast know why the shield was givin out, u just got your helm an shield 3 - 4 months ago ;)

Winning.

[Roberto077]

plat bought gear... sucks in pvp or in ctf - if a person used they would be at a huge disadvantage. even if they got some bonus item.

plat bought gear for pve would be helpful... but what real advantage would that be? maybe help a group of ppl? maybe less deaths?

Yes, that gear is bad in PvP and PvE, but plat is used to buy elixirs and elixirs are used to get to the level cap for premium gear. Plus you said vanities. ALL PREMIUM VANITIES COST PLATINUM!!! The only vanities that don't cost plat are event vanities, hoosh hats, and sort of dragon vanities (elixir use). 99.99% of people with over a million gold have bought plat before to get their riches... You could argue that platinum indirectly makes pro players.

[Deathofan]

I find it humorous foxes and rhinos being underpowered was blamed on not having elite vanity rings
Also relating to elite vanities and rhinos/foxes
Why does that 1-76 cap not count? Let those people have their elite ring I mean I know it's all because of plat but still a lot of play time
Sorry for being off topic lol
Ikr, any decent bird, mage, and bear would kill the most skilled fox/rhino wearing a black valient ring without wearing any elite ring. They don't fix stats and say a 10-15armor 50-55hp ring will make a difference when they need more offensive skills.

[ZHEOTARE]

Sorry, but with your multiple posts, and threats to LW over some pixelated items, it's hard to take you serious. But here's my response.

Shield of Gratitude was given to the people that bought all the maps when they cost plat to access.

Not all vanities have lost their stats. Founders, and the party hats still have stats.

The elite vanities lost their stats because a few whiny *female dogs* couldn't wait to cap 3x to have the same bonus.

The rings will be available to you once you cap 2x and elite for 3x.

I support your thought process, but there was a huge discussion about this over a year ago. In the end, it does offer an unfair advantage to PVP people. Until STS can come up with a way to eliminate vanity bonuses while in a PVP arena, then it's pointless to suggest.

[ZHEOTARE]

I find it humorous foxes and rhinos being underpowered was blamed on not having elite vanity rings
Also relating to elite vanities and rhinos/foxes
Why does that 1-76 cap not count? Let those people have their elite ring I mean I know it's all because of plat but still a lot of play time
Sorry for being off topic lol

1-76 does count as one cap. I capped at 56, 61, 66, 71. That's about 500k in xp just for those 4 elite levels. If I go for 76, that's another 100k. Rhinos and foxes can get the 2 piece ring next cap, and 3 piece at the 86 cap.

[Spyce]

Founders people think there better than everyone else.

[Cavoc]

I see Pvp going downhill even further if this is actually happens...

[Multibird]

This is a great idea..

[razerfingers]

Sorry to bist your dreams but highly unlikely because it makes it a higher chance of you getting scammed or hacked because your item is well know and people are like wow! He bought/spent 90k plat!! Lets hack him or scam him!!!.

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall

[Suentous PO]

Also feel the need to remind folks when they say gimme, that we ARE taken care of.
How?
Veterans armor,
frozen crown,
angel sets,
free elixirs both daily and occasional double xp and classy looters,
free plat, and whatever else I'm forgetting atm.
Try to remember their kindness.

[NotYoCookiez]

Wow did you spend over 89,000 platinum ?

[LwMark]

Wow did you spend over 89,000 platinum ?

Thats not all that was bought


Common if ur guna make a thread atleast know why the shield was givin out, u just got your helm an shield 3 - 4 months ago ;)

mark you have the audacity to post here ... good, now just fork over some of the demonic sets you have to make up for the items you lost of mine... but dont worry if you dont there is a solution. i will get what you promised from you in value... sometimes that value is just watching the other person jaw drop from being suprised from who knocks on the door.

If u EVERRRR find the door im behind, ill be glad to open it for you

[Jcyee]

Not a good idea...Compare how many people would do this compared to those that would not. Too big of a difference

[The Happiness]

Where do I start? I have been around for a good couple of years. I capped three toons at 56, three at 61, five at 66, five at 71 and three at 76. I am not ashamed to say I used platinum for the last 4 caps. A heck of a lot of platinum. So much platinum that I dare not look at my account to see exactly how much. But, that is personal to me. There is no way on earth I would wear a vanity or anything connected with showing off the amount of platinum I have spent. Neither would I want to look at other players wearing such things. What a hideous and revolting idea. If it should happen....it would be my last day in pl. I am pretty sure STS would never lower themselves to that level.

[onasho]

devils advocate... that would piss off every one in end game and give an advantage to the person who would "equip" that item!!!!... yep!! and why shouldnt it? if some one was willing to invest that much money in the game... A) it would keep them around to spend more money B) it would "thank" the person to who invested in to pl/sts C) it would promote some not all to reach that level (prob like 1% would actually qualify for it, half of those dont even pvp and ctf) C) it would be most likley adults who have a better perspective on what is fair and what is not. promoting a better playing game.



I don't think STS would want to piss off a big group of players in favor of a few. aside from how much each player is spending, they are also looking at potential revenues.

any subscription base MMO usually runs for how much? around $9 to $15?

so using that as a standard, let's say a common player is likely to willingly spend about $10 a month, that's 75 plats in game. which isn't much based on the requirements you suggested to receive rewards.

and if STS goes with your suggestion, and let's just say for 1 big spending player, 20 common players are pissed off and stop buying plats or eventually quit..

then that's $200 monthly potential revenue lost.

can they recover that $200 revenue from a single player?

Even if the answers is yes, by keeping the 20 common players, they can potentially bring in more players, thus increasing their potential revenue.

if players keep leaving due to unfair game balance or feeling they are in disadvantage. guess what, the ones that are left still playing the game would probably eventually stop feeling "special" or they will find it harder and harder to have others to team up with. And just may eventually quit..

So i don't think it's a good approach.

but, none of my statements above are factual, in fact they maybe far from facts lol.

I'm just stating my opinion.

I do agree that the ones who buy lots of platinum should be rewarded, but just not in a way that would make others feel disadvantaged.

[Doodlebeast]

Lmao buy 1 mil plat - control the game, remake the game, game over

[The Happiness]

I disagree ...platinum buyers do not need rewards. They already have all the advantages. What could be worse than flaunting that in ppls faces? Really! This is an obscene way to try and lord it over people who do not have the same advantages as others. You'll all be wanting non plat buyers to polish your armour next!

[MightyMicah]

Do I count five posts in a row?...

Anyways, I agree with the original purpose to some degree. Those who spend a lot of money should be rewarded far, far more than they are. However, I don't think it should be in terms of stats unless there is an alternate means of obtaining these same stats without spending money on platinum.

Give them a cool hat! Give them access to places others can't go! Give them pets, armors, free crafted sets, whatever! But don't give them something that puts them above others stat-wise. That will destroy the casual game player base which makes up the majority of PL anyways because people will feel obligated to spend money in order to succeed.

This isn't rocket science. Incentive is everything.

[Disko]

Hai! For the record I agree with Suentous that Angel sets (along with several other vanitites) were already given... I for one was.. AM very happy with the Angel sets!

I agree with Happiness that any from of bragging to show the exact level of your RL money spent in-game would be awful!

Personally, I would like a vainity to show what kinda car I drive! ;) (no typo, obv. jk!)

[Bunnyshoota]

Ok, so we have as a group have been given different items for supporting Pocket Legends.

Founders for being here in the begining - Vanity - looks cool ( on bears only ) and gives bonus.

Shielf of gratitude - not sure why but thank you (for the partrons of pl) - vanity - no stat bonused - tho it should it would off set ppl who have the founders.

all the bonus items for capping each level - used to give stat bonused - now just vanity - tho enough of them added up gave us the new rings.



ok - so here is the real costomer service - promoting the ppl who buy plat and invest in pocket legends, not just with the time, but with good old hard earned cash!!

*if you buy any plat - vanity something (hat, shield) that gives two armor bonus
*if you buy 5,000 plat - vanity something that gives two hit bonus
*if you buy 10,000 plat - vanity pet that gives you 1 dodge
*if you buy 20,000 plat - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*if you buy 50,000 plat - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
*if you buy 75,000 plat - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*if you buy 89,281 plat - you give me some sort of founders type helm that says thank you and we want you to stick around because ppl like you are keeping us in business.

i personally would like (now that we are on the subject) a special pet or helm or shield or body armor that is used as vanity - looks cool - that would be similar in stats to the founders helm. and i have an idea - make it a pet, and it would be the money sign, it will add stats like 1 dodge, 2 hit, 1 regen to both, and 5 armor.

devils advocate... that would piss off every one in end game and give an advantage to the person who would "equip" that item!!!!... yep!! and why shouldnt it? if some one was willing to invest that much money in the game... A) it would keep them around to spend more money B) it would "thank" the person to who invested in to pl/sts C) it would promote some not all to reach that level (prob like 1% would actually qualify for it, half of those dont even pvp and ctf) C) it would be most likley adults who have a better perspective on what is fair and what is not. promoting a better playing game.

what are you thoughts... WOULD LOVE FOR STS TO COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL - in a open disscusion.

24077

[Doodlebeast]

Lmao worst idea ever in the whole wide world

[mejslll]

Yes, that gear is bad in PvP and PvE, but plat is used to buy elixirs and elixirs are used to get to the level cap for premium gear. Plus you said vanities. ALL PREMIUM VANITIES COST PLATINUM!!! The only vanities that don't cost plat are event vanities, hoosh hats, and sort of dragon vanities (elixir use). 99.99% of people with over a million gold have bought plat before to get their riches... You could argue that platinum indirectly makes pro players.

totally totally disagree... i have bought almost 90k plat - i am not over loaded with gold.

think - this my personal story so it is what it is....

i only like pvp and ctf - so i need top crafted gear,

*new cap comes out i grind to top level (times 3 charters)
*i normally get almost a full str set un crafted and other pieces (dex and int) that i sell
*now i have to craft and that gets stupid expensive - plat does buy the recipte in stead of finding it in a drop
*then i sell the old sets that i paid 2- 4 million for each at a huge loss
*then i take that gold and try to buy 2nd and 3rd set so i dont have to keep switching items
that is a loss of millions of gold each cap!!

for the record i have about 12 million gold

all that added up doesnt make me Pro !! Pro in my definition and the definition of ppl in end game is dominate player...

Pro comes from skills... skills have nothing to do with plat

[skrapicoco]

Ok, so we have as a group have been given different items for supporting Pocket Legends.

Founders for being here in the begining - Vanity - looks cool ( on bears only ) and gives bonus.

Shielf of gratitude - not sure why but thank you (for the partrons of pl) - vanity - no stat bonused - tho it should it would off set ppl who have the founders.

all the bonus items for capping each level - used to give stat bonused - now just vanity - tho enough of them added up gave us the new rings.



ok - so here is the real costomer service - promoting the ppl who buy plat and invest in pocket legends, not just with the time, but with good old hard earned cash!!

*if you buy any plat - vanity something (hat, shield) that gives two armor bonus
*if you buy 5,000 plat - vanity something that gives two hit bonus
*if you buy 10,000 plat - vanity pet that gives you 1 dodge
*if you buy 20,000 plat - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*if you buy 50,000 plat - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
*if you buy 75,000 plat - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*if you buy 89,281 plat - you give me some sort of founders type helm that says thank you and we want you to stick around because ppl like you are keeping us in business.

i personally would like (now that we are on the subject) a special pet or helm or shield or body armor that is used as vanity - looks cool - that would be similar in stats to the founders helm. and i have an idea - make it a pet, and it would be the money sign, it will add stats like 1 dodge, 2 hit, 1 regen to both, and 5 armor.

devils advocate... that would piss off every one in end game and give an advantage to the person who would "equip" that item!!!!... yep!! and why shouldnt it? if some one was willing to invest that much money in the game... A) it would keep them around to spend more money B) it would "thank" the person to who invested in to pl/sts C) it would promote some not all to reach that level (prob like 1% would actually qualify for it, half of those dont even pvp and ctf) C) it would be most likley adults who have a better perspective on what is fair and what is not. promoting a better playing game.

what are you thoughts... WOULD LOVE FOR STS TO COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL - in a open disscusion.


what you are promoting is making pl more plat base than they are now

[mejslll]

Sorry, but with your multiple posts, and threats to LW over some pixelated items, it's hard to take you serious. But here's my response.

Shield of Gratitude was given to the people that bought all the maps when they cost plat to access.

Not all vanities have lost their stats. Founders, and the party hats still have stats.

The elite vanities lost their stats because a few whiny *female dogs* couldn't wait to cap 3x to have the same bonus.

The rings will be available to you once you cap 2x and elite for 3x.

I support your thought process, but there was a huge discussion about this over a year ago. In the end, it does offer an unfair advantage to PVP people. Until STS can come up with a way to eliminate vanity bonuses while in a PVP arena, then it's pointless to suggest.

threaten to lw? what does that mean "loozer want-a-b" (and btw it is not a threat - the police have the info and will be knocking on the given address)

several items give addition of one bonus for armor... not just party hats

ofcourse it adds an advantage!!! that is the point of lvling too!!! each level gives better equip and skill and stats... you get a advantage due to your effort, AND THE MAJOR POINT I WANT TO STRESS IS THAT IF YOU ARE RUNNING THIS AS A BISNESS SUPPORT YOUR BEST CUSTOMERS.

IF YOU HAVE A CUSTOMER THAT EXCEEDS A CERTIAN LEVEL OF SALES (BUYING PLAT) THEN GIVE THEM A BONUS!

i also think a bonus should be given to a player that levels to cap with out using any elixers... give him some advantage for being "pure".

and i support your thought on the vanity bonus elimination in pvp /ctf that would be my second choice,

but but but sts should still give a benifit to ppl buying plat a specific levels... this is a just a obvious thing.

[mejslll]

I see Pvp going downhill even further if this is actually happens...

remember - it would be just for a few ppl... how may ppl would attain that lvl of plat? very few...

[mejslll]

Also feel the need to remind folks when they say gimme, that we ARE taken care of.
How?
Veterans armor,
frozen crown,
angel sets,
free elixirs both daily and occasional double xp and classy looters,
free plat, and whatever else I'm forgetting atm.
Try to remember their kindness.

great point!!! thanks sts!!! now help the ppl who buy plat all the time...

[mejslll]

Wow did you spend over 89,000 platinum ?

how did i ? wisely
why did i ? cuz im lazy, and dont like to farm... so i use elixer
did i spend it all ? no, last check i have about 1250 left... note: it was bought over a time period

[mejslll]

Thats not all that was bought


If u EVERRRR find the door im behind, ill be glad to open it for you

mark not the place to hash this out, but... if you like start a thread and i will be glad to entertain any thing you have to say.

you have stolen things from me, i have the text messages and such to prove all that i have said... i have turned the info over to the correct athorities after several attempts to collect on what you have not provided. and as you know all that info is from your phone with your two addresses... and documentation that you showed id to pick up the cash for what you never finised nor sent to me...

this really has nothing to do with this thread or has to do with pl... so keep it up mark only help me prove you guilt in court.

[mejslll]

Not a good idea...Compare how many people would do this compared to those that would not. Too big of a difference

that is the exact point... life is not fair... so lets give benifits to the ppl who do more, or greater things....

and from a business point of view (not a game point of veiw) it does make sence...

[mejslll]

Where do I start? I have been around for a good couple of years. I capped three toons at 56, three at 61, five at 66, five at 71 and three at 76. I am not ashamed to say I used platinum for the last 4 caps. A heck of a lot of platinum. So much platinum that I dare not look at my account to see exactly how much. But, that is personal to me. There is no way on earth I would wear a vanity or anything connected with showing off the amount of platinum I have spent. Neither would I want to look at other players wearing such things. What a hideous and revolting idea. If it should happen....it would be my last day in pl. I am pretty sure STS would never lower themselves to that level.

well, come find me when and if they pass that out... just give me your items before you quit.

good luck!!!

[mejslll]

I don't think STS would want to piss off a big group of players in favor of a few. aside from how much each player is spending, they are also looking at potential revenues.

any subscription base MMO usually runs for how much? around $9 to $15?

so using that as a standard, let's say a common player is likely to willingly spend about $10 a month, that's 75 plats in game. which isn't much based on the requirements you suggested to receive rewards.

and if STS goes with your suggestion, and let's just say for 1 big spending player, 20 common players are pissed off and stop buying plats or eventually quit..

then that's $200 monthly potential revenue lost.

can they recover that $200 revenue from a single player?

Even if the answers is yes, by keeping the 20 common players, they can potentially bring in more players, thus increasing their potential revenue.

if players keep leaving due to unfair game balance or feeling they are in disadvantage. guess what, the ones that are left still playing the game would probably eventually stop feeling "special" or they will find it harder and harder to have others to team up with. And just may eventually quit..

So i don't think it's a good approach.

but, none of my statements above are factual, in fact they maybe far from facts lol.

I'm just stating my opinion.

I do agree that the ones who buy lots of platinum should be rewarded, but just not in a way that would make others feel disadvantaged.

actually a great point... and honestly a great in depth way of thinking about it...

so that would bring out my second "want" make founders null-effect in pvp/ctf... but give the bonus in pve... same for the plat idea...

thanks for you well thought out comment...

Mej

[mejslll]

I disagree ...platinum buyers do not need rewards. They already have all the advantages. What could be worse than flaunting that in ppls faces? Really! This is an obscene way to try and lord it over people who do not have the same advantages as others. You'll all be wanting non plat buyers to polish your armour next!

yes - that would come when you buy 110,000 plat and would be a skill you would add points too, more points would be a higher polish.

[mejslll]

Do I count five posts in a row?...

Anyways, I agree with the original purpose to some degree. Those who spend a lot of money should be rewarded far, far more than they are. However, I don't think it should be in terms of stats unless there is an alternate means of obtaining these same stats without spending money on platinum.

Give them a cool hat! Give them access to places others can't go! Give them pets, armors, free crafted sets, whatever! But don't give them something that puts them above others stat-wise. That will destroy the casual game player base which makes up the majority of PL anyways because people will feel obligated to spend money in order to succeed.

This isn't rocket science. Incentive is everything.

several post in a row... easy - i have limited time and when i have a chance to answer i try to cover all the questions, rants, and great well thought out posts...

- glad you agree, how bout making what ever (pet,hat,weapon) be a item that gives stats for pve?
- "Incentive is every thing" - is my point - the game is fun - incentive and recognition is what makes the world turn...


thanks for you well thought out post - thanked you for the input

Mej

[ZHEOTARE]

- incentive and recognition is what makes the world turn...

No. Incentive and recognition are for those that lack self confidence.

Responding to every post here is unnecessary.

And giving out the freebies aren't customer service. That is a revenue boosting idea. Producing a quality game, releasing timely updates, and providing fair and speedy customer support is customer service. If your idea was true customer support , then every company would follow that method.. Spend 10k at Wal-Mart, get a free TV. I don't see that happening...

[mejslll]

No. Incentive and recognition are for those that lack self confidence.

Responding to every post here is unnecessary.

And giving out the freebies aren't customer service. That is a revenue boosting idea. Producing a quality game, releasing timely updates, and providing fair and speedy customer support is customer service. If your idea was true customer support , then every company would follow that method.. Spend 10k at Wal-Mart, get a free TV. I don't see that happening...


confidence is:
1.The feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something; firm trust: "we had every confidence in the staff".
2.The state of feeling certain about the truth of something.

how does that relate to incentives and recongition?
*Recognition is:
1.The action or process of recognizing or being recognized, in particular being identifed to a thing or person from previous encounters, knowledge or with a group. the point - Are you unconfident in pl? is that why you post a title? or joined a guild?
*incentives is:
1.A thing that motivates or encourages one to do something. A payment or concession to stimulate greater output or investment. the point - you said your part of a guild? are you a master? or maybe a officer? why ? are you unconfident or is there another reason?

Point - people can lack confidence in some areas and not others example: if i wanted to bench press 495 lbs i would just climb under it and knock it off would not thinking too much about it cuz i have confidence... i can. if i were to face a snake in the woods i would have the confidence to think clearly and apply the correct actions because in these areas i have confidence.

areas i dont have confidence in ( and there are not many- lol) and i was successful at would not cause me or any one else to want a "badge" for facing that thing you lacked confidence in and succeding... THUS - getting a "thing" for buying plat would not mean i was confident or unconfident it just means i want to be recongnized for something i am proud of. (that would be investing my cash in to a game i am proud of/ and believe in).

just like the system implimented in dl and pl called - Achievements - from there you get in most cases titles - suggested title for buying that much plat "Insane" cool title lol

giving out "free-bees are not customer service" - wrong - it is a form of customer service, in conjunction with what you correctly listed above (about customer service) read above about incentives - i will post it here "A payment or concession to stimulate greater output or investment"

sts has done this many time for us... and we all get a huge warm feeling from it... do we get confidence from it? no, do we lack confidence if they dont do it? no, point - confidence has nothing to do with it. in any way shape or form...

wallmart is a bad anallogy - but that is why many retail customers do offer customer reward programs for spending money in there outlets(stores,on-line)

Incentives are used every day for both customer service and stimulating greater investment in the companies sales.

as for posting to every comment - why do you feel the need to tell me my op is not necessary? i would think i could be respected for my thoughts not critisized... hummmm



hey look at this hummmm... how interesting!!!???!?!

walmart credit card customer incentive program:
*gives cash back for purchases
*discount at walmart participating gasstations, 5 cents a gallon
*no annual fee

"The reward percentages will depend on your total spending during a calendar year and will be .25% on total purchases up to $1,500, .50% on total purchases from $1,500.01 to $3,000 and 1% on total purchases over $3,000. A rebate check will be issued each time you accrue $10 in rewards."

think i will go get a walmart credit card becuase of the incentive program, then use it to buy plat... :-)

and...

"According to Inc., it costs a business about 5-10 times more to acquire a new customer than it does to sell to an existing one -- and on average those current customers of yours spend 67% more than a new one. So, what are you doing to keep your customers coming back to your business? If you’re like 65% of marketers, your company has implemented a loyalty program." ... posted in the direct thought process to buying plat (thus you and me as a customer of sts)

[skrapicoco]

remember - it would be just for a few ppl... how may ppl would attain that lvl of plat? very few...

So your one of the few who needs founders just to pvp?lmao just so you know not many pvpers are wearing founders anymore ;) spevially endgame pvp

[ZHEOTARE]

Do you read what people write, or just see what you wanna see??

Here is an article explaining self confidence, better known as self esteem...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-esteem

People with high self confidence don't need rewards given to them that others have earned. They don't need recognition for a job well done. And they don't need incentives to keep playing. Give that person good content, and they will be happy.

And I said responding to every post is unnecessary. I didn't say your OP was unnecessary.

You said it yourself, new customers are harder to hold, and old ones spend more. Building good content, giving free elixirs, and the veteran awards keeps the new players playing. Developing new content, getting people hooked on elixirs, having lotto plat packs for items, and awarding them NEW items keeps the old players paying.

Lastly, your cash back incentive is invalid. That is available to everyone, and is used to draw in NEW customers. They don't offer out discontinued items to old customers to keep them. That is what you're asking for. You want something given to you that you were never eligible for.

Here's the definition for eligible...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=eligible

[mejslll]

So your one of the few who needs founders just to pvp?lmao just so you know not many pvpers are wearing founders anymore ;) spevially endgame pvp

hu? ppl who have founders are not wearing them?

and you have deducted that because i would like a bonus for buying plat as an incentive that i need a founders just to keep up?

really what your saying is your trying to insult me and just dont have the type of attitude to come out and be direct...

some ppl are like that - its ok - that deal with more confidence issues then intelegence ....

zinnnggg

[mejslll]

Do you read what people write, or just see what you wanna see??

Here is an article explaining self confidence, better known as self esteem...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-esteem

People with high self confidence don't need rewards given to them that others have earned. They don't need recognition for a job well done. And they don't need incentives to keep playing. Give that person good content, and they will be happy.

And I said responding to every post is unnecessary. I didn't say your OP was unnecessary.

You said it yourself, new customers are harder to hold, and old ones spend more. Building good content, giving free elixirs, and the veteran awards keeps the new players playing. Developing new content, getting people hooked on elixirs, having lotto plat packs for items, and awarding them NEW items keeps the old players paying.

Lastly, your cash back incentive is invalid. That is available to everyone, and is used to draw in NEW customers. They don't offer out discontinued items to old customers to keep them. That is what you're asking for. You want something given to you that you were never eligible for.

Here's the definition for eligible...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=eligible

self estem = a feeling of pride in yourself.
confidence = 1.The feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something;The state of feeling certain about the truth of something.

two very different but directly related things...

point very poor analogy...

the cash back point i posted was directly form walmarts website... so tell them it is invalid... lol cuz bro they are implimenting it whether or not you like it. and i think they know alittle about customer service and retention of customers.

building good content and the such is a given... that is not just for good customers, that is for every one... that is like when you buy a house it has to have a roof or no one will come and look at it, sts has to have good content or know one will come and look at it...

anything else you would like to debate about? cuz brother your points are well taken and we disagree - you can keep arguing your point but i get it... it is not what you want .

so thank you for your op - i have tried to respect it, (excpet for meeting you at the same level of sarcasim) and honestly understand you point - and your not wrong cuz i say so ... your wrong cuz that is just not how good business runs keeps ppl who invest with them.

good luck and just so you know - im pretty sure sts isnt out there trying to design a new "founders" type helm that i would EARN by buying plat to make me feel happy... honestly i will stay with pl cuz i love the content... but i would like some system put in place to recognize ppl who invest in them... like the founders they had faith that pl would be what it is today...

[skrapicoco]

hu? ppl who have founders are not wearing them? this just shows that your not in pvp lately lmao

and you have deducted that because i would like a bonus for buying plat as an incentive that i need a founders just to keep up? more like yes based on your thread

really what your saying is your trying to insult me and just dont have the type of attitude to come out and be direct... im not, im just saying stop making pl more plat based

some ppl are like that - its ok - that deal with more confidence issues then intelegence .... uh....

zinnnggg

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[ZHEOTARE]

I've tried debating, but you aren't listening. I say self confidence, you say confidence. I post an article explaining self confidence is self esteem. You split them, and still go back to confidence.

And no ish Wal-Mart and a lot of other companies offer incentives. I didn't disagree with that. I said you comparing getting extra advantages based on the amount you spend to good customer service is invalid. That part is bogus. STS offers incentives. Free elixers, free gear (angel, SoG, Frozen Crown, etc). Your problem is you aren't happy with that, and want more.

In essence we do agree. You're just basing your rewards to plat. I'm saying the rewards should be tied to loyalty.

That is all.

[Doodlebeast]

Lmao , this is the kind of the thread that make PL die. Just imagine how many people will quit PL because of the "customers" huge advantage. 10%?20%?
Nope I think it's going to half the population.
Very few people achieve this plat amount. But, these are the ones who killed pvp.
Should this kind of plat based system implanted into PL? No. It's just another pointless, very pointless idea

[mejslll]

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lol

[mejslll]

I've tried debating, but you aren't listening. I say self confidence, you say confidence. I post an article explaining self confidence is self esteem. You split them, and still go back to confidence.

And no ish Wal-Mart and a lot of other companies offer incentives. I didn't disagree with that. I said you comparing getting extra advantages based on the amount you spend to good customer service is invalid. That part is bogus. STS offers incentives. Free elixers, free gear (angel, SoG, Frozen Crown, etc). Your problem is you aren't happy with that, and want more.

In essence we do agree. You're just basing your rewards to plat. I'm saying the rewards should be tied to loyalty.

That is all.

a wise man once said you can find out what a man loves by looking in to his bank account... i have spent a lot of cash on plat... and that is my personal story nothing else.

you wouldnt know if i was happy with something unless you asked... and yes im happy sence you asked

you think that is bogus... thats fine you belief... not the belief of coke, pepsi, nos, and so many more...

three things i wanted to experes in this posting
1) ppl should be rewarded for supporting pl/sts (plat is one area players are not rewarded or incentivized-sale of plat i would consider both-and thank you sts)
2) i want a founders type helm to even the playing field in ctf/pvp (and i do pretty good with out it but would like the same advantage)
3) if i cant have a founders type helm - lets take the advantage of founders out of pvp/ctf and leave it for pve only.


solution is:

* incentivising a crafted set to a person who buys a certin amount of plat per cap
* incentivising a vanity that gives a bonus for pve
* incentivising a character that caps with out any any any elixers from one cap to the next
* incentivising a charterer's title opptions from earning it from buying plat (suggestions: ????)

[The Happiness]

Many people have spent a lot of money on platinum. They have bought advantages over other players be it in the form of elixirs which reduce the time spent gaining xp and give better luck and chances of loot or by being able to buy pets and vanities. I don't understand why you feel hard done by and why you feel you need to be rewarded for the amount of money you have spent. It was your personal choice to spend that money and gain advantages...why are you not content with this? Anything that makes this game more decisive can only be negative imo. Much better would be ideas to even out the playing field and make the game fairer for all. Tbh your idea just sounds like someone who feels the need to show off unnecessarily.

[Crunchee]

Sorry, but after reading your posts I have a feeling that you're regretting buying that much plat and you want a "compensation" for it.
Buying plat, using plat is your choice, supporting sts is your choice. You get what you expect, what you want, what you feel happy with for plat, why ask for more? Be grateful for what you achieved with plat and think about those who paid less, those who aren't as good as you because they can't afford it. PL is not a contest of who spent most! Please take away your greed!
And yes, you really like flattery don't you? :D

[mejslll]

Many people have spent a lot of money on platinum. They have bought advantages over other players be it in the form of elixirs which reduce the time spent gaining xp and give better luck and chances of loot or by being able to buy pets and vanities. I don't understand why you feel hard done by and why you feel you need to be rewarded for the amount of money you have spent. It was your personal choice to spend that money and gain advantages...why are you not content with this? Anything that makes this game more decisive can only be negative imo. Much better would be ideas to even out the playing field and make the game fairer for all. Tbh your idea just sounds like someone who feels the need to show off unnecessarily.

yep cant disagree with you - but have you ever played a sport? you win the game isnt that enough? or do they give recognition for being achieving more in certain areas? " offensive player of the game" "def player of the game" - i like the idea of giving ppl reconigiton for things they do... and why not do the same with plat?

my personality likes to be rewarded it is called "type A" and

[mejslll]

Sorry, but after reading your posts I have a feeling that you're regretting buying that much plat and you want a "compensation" for it.
Buying plat, using plat is your choice, supporting sts is your choice. You get what you expect, what you want, what you feel happy with for plat, why ask for more? Be grateful for what you achieved with plat and think about those who paid less, those who aren't as good as you because they can't afford it. PL is not a contest of who spent most! Please take away your greed!
And yes, you really like flattery don't you? :D

i do thank you, but i dont mind the money i spent - read the quote i said above "find where a man spends his money and you will see what he loves"

we give incentives for all sorts of things in pl why not give it for plat as well?

[skrapicoco]

lol

exactly

[tHelonestud]

I find it humorous foxes and rhinos being underpowered was blamed on not having elite vanity rings
Also relating to elite vanities and rhinos/foxes
Why does that 1-76 cap not count? Let those people have their elite ring I mean I know it's all because of plat but still a lot of play time
Sorry for being off topic lol

1-76 does count as one cap. I capped at 56, 61, 66, 71. That's about 500k in xp just for those 4 elite levels. If I go for 76, that's another 100k. Rhinos and foxes can get the 2 piece ring next cap, and 3 piece at the 86 cap.
Yes, I understand why it doesn't, but also no rhino or fox ever even had any chance to cap at 56/61/66/71. I mean it is a difference at the 3 item ring with the dragon ring, just expediate a slight bit of balance.

[Suentous PO]

yep cant disagree with you - but have you ever played a sport? you win the game isnt that enough? or do they give recognition for being achieving more in certain areas? " offensive player of the game" "def player of the game" - i like the idea of giving ppl reconigiton for things they do... and why not do the same with plat?

my personality likes to be rewarded it is called "type A" and

I play with your sports analogy;
One guy gets dropped off at the game in a luxury car, his belly full of great food, his shoes cost 100$+, his health excellent due to great medical care. Let's say he does well in game just a lil cocky attitude.
Next guy walked to the game, has holes in illfitting shoes, he could use a checkup and a square meal. He proformance just as well if not better, in game his sportsmanship is unparalleled.
Who "should" be rewarded?

[LwMark]

You already bought your founders, why do u have to be rewarded more founder type gears to one up people and show you can blow money, be happy yu were even able to get that one an still play

[Suentous PO]

You already bought your founders, why do u have to be rewarded more founder type gears to one up people and show you can blow money, be happy yu were even able to get that one an still play
For a guy who is accused of the same thing often I'm surprised at all this mudslinging on both your parts Because none of these accusations are any of our business. Unless y'all itching to hear that "clickity clack".

[LwMark]

Im given what was given to me

[Suentous PO]

Im given what was given to me

Eye for an eye makes all involved blind. In any case my point is still -
It's none of our business. Public accusations might be making the accuser look bad, as we have no way of knowing the truth and the fact that dirty laundry is aired makes it obvious any accuser is trying to make the other look bad in a public format.
Enough

[Zeus]

Im given what was given to me

Lw, I like you and all but we both know that was wayyyyyy against TOS as well. It's not any better.

[Doodlebeast]

Current fight : mejslll vs ALL
Concurrent :
lwmark vs suentousPO
Thelonestud vs ZHEOTARE

[Suentous PO]

Current fight : mejslll vs ALL
Concurrent :
lwmark vs suentousPO
Thelonestud vs ZHEOTARE
Accually I'm defusing a scrap, check it.

[D-:]

Ok, so we have as a group have been given different items for supporting Pocket Legends.

Founders for being here in the begining - Vanity - looks cool ( on bears only ) and gives bonus.

Shielf of gratitude - not sure why but thank you (for the partrons of pl) - vanity - no stat bonused - tho it should it would off set ppl who have the founders.

all the bonus items for capping each level - used to give stat bonused - now just vanity - tho enough of them added up gave us the new rings.



ok - so here is the real costomer service - promoting the ppl who buy plat and invest in pocket legends, not just with the time, but with good old hard earned cash!!

*if you buy any plat - vanity something (hat, shield) that gives two armor bonus
*if you buy 5,000 plat - vanity something that gives two hit bonus
*if you buy 10,000 plat - vanity pet that gives you 1 dodge
*if you buy 20,000 plat - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*if you buy 50,000 plat - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
*if you buy 75,000 plat - xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*if you buy 89,281 - you give me some sort of founders type helm that says thank you and we want you to stick around because ppl like you are keeping us in business.

i personally would like (now that we are on the subject) a special pet or helm or shield or body armor that is used as vanity - looks cool - that would be similar in stats to the founders helm. and i have an idea - make it a pet, and it would be the money sign, it will add stats like 1 dodge, 2 hit, 1 regen to both, and 5 armor.

devils advocate... that would piss off every one in end game and give an advantage to the person who would "equip" that item!!!!... yep!! and why shouldnt it? if some one was willing to invest that much money in the game... A) it would keep them around to spend more money B) it would "thank" the person to who invested in to pl/sts C) it would promote some not all to reach that level (prob like 1% would actually qualify for it, half of those dont even pvp and ctf) C) it would be most likley adults who have a better perspective on what is fair and what is not. promoting a better playing game.

what are you thoughts... WOULD LOVE FOR STS TO COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL - in a open disscusion.

Who is going to buy 89k platinum...? Seriously?

http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y480/Vohcab/All%20Memes/aa388951b6ee2465b93cf48fe5576eaa_zpscd7ff6b7.jpg

[skrapicoco]

Who is going to buy 89k platinum...? Seriously?

http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y480/Vohcab/All%20Memes/aa388951b6ee2465b93cf48fe5576eaa_zpscd7ff6b7.jpg

Ikr lmao

[bglir]

Ikr lmao
maybe me
24596

[Extreme]

maybe me
24596

Blink blink :D

[Zeus]

Blink blink :D

I think you mean bling bling. ;)

[Schnitzel]

Shielf of gratitude - not sure why but thank you (for the partrons of pl) - vanity - no stat bonused - tho it should it would off set ppl who have the founders.
I dont care about shield getting stats much.
But I would like to see silver and pink sparkles if I equipt my founders helm and gratitude shield

[Schnitzel]

Sorry for double post

To original thread poster:
If your ideas were to happen, sts would see people quit sts games by hundreds.
Founders helm were a one time item. It would defeat the idea of playing pl since it started.
Imagine those people with 3 piece elite rings+ dragon vanity set bonuses+their regular sets then plus all your ideas combined= unstoppable pvp, ctf; pve player and many pvp and ctf players would quit the game because those "super people" were unstoppable.

and that = people quiting by hundreds each day since they dont buy plats

[Schnitzel]

Founders people think there better than everyone else.
Not true.
I have a founders helm. But im still nice to people
Sorry triple post...
Cant figure out how to get 3 quotes in 1 comment..

[Lboy24]

So maybe sts should make another helm that ppl would rather wear instead of founders that todays players could strive to get. Problem solved

[Kixxler]

I emailed STS like 5 times for a Founder's because I was only 6 days off the eligible time for Founders which is very sad.

[Zeus]

I emailed STS like 5 times for a Founder's because I was only 6 days off the eligible time for Founders which is very sad.

Same, but they refuse to do it because technically we're not founders... :/

[cookiez]

Do I count five posts in a row?...

Anyways, I agree with the original purpose to some degree. Those who spend a lot of money should be rewarded far, far more than they are. However, I don't think it should be in terms of stats unless there is an alternate means of obtaining these same stats without spending money on platinum.

Give them a cool hat! Give them access to places others can't go! Give them pets, armors, free crafted sets, whatever! But don't give them something that puts them above others stat-wise. That will destroy the casual game player base which makes up the majority of PL anyways because people will feel obligated to spend money in order to succeed.

This isn't rocket science. Incentive is everything.

Like in arcane legends...

[iRusher]

Ikr lmao
maybe me
24596

Woah.

Got enough plat?

[razerfingers]

maybe me
24596

Wow, serious?

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall

[razerfingers]

Im the 1%

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall

[Suentous PO]

Im the 1%
You got firepower like trump, but I figure Hunzzz is the 1%

[razerfingers]

You got firepower like trump, but I figure Hunzzz is the 1%

Damn, probably lol! :eek:

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall

[mejslll]

I play with your sports analogy;
One guy gets dropped off at the game in a luxury car, his belly full of great food, his shoes cost 100$+, his health excellent due to great medical care. Let's say he does well in game just a lil cocky attitude.
Next guy walked to the game, has holes in illfitting shoes, he could use a checkup and a square meal. He proformance just as well if not better, in game his sportsmanship is unparalleled.
Who "should" be rewarded?

poor analogy, the real question is who supported the owners of the team better? who invested more money? that is the point of my op

[mejslll]

Ikr lmao

oops that was the old me... now its up to 93,281

[mejslll]

Sorry for double post

To original thread poster:
If your ideas were to happen, sts would see people quit sts games by hundreds.
Founders helm were a one time item. It would defeat the idea of playing pl since it started.
Imagine those people with 3 piece elite rings+ dragon vanity set bonuses+their regular sets then plus all your ideas combined= unstoppable pvp, ctf; pve player and many pvp and ctf players would quit the game because those "super people" were unstoppable.

and that = people quiting by hundreds each day since they dont buy plats

we dont have oppertunity at the founders so we will never get it. as for the plat it is fair to all because any and every one has the same chance to buy it.

[mejslll]

Like in arcane legends...

"Anyways, I agree with the original purpose to some degree. Those who spend a lot of money should be rewarded far, far more than they are. However, I don't think it should be in terms of stats unless there is an alternate means of obtaining these same stats without spending money on platinum.

Give them a cool hat! Give them access to places others can't go! Give them pets, armors, free crafted sets, whatever! But don't give them something that puts them above others stat-wise. That will destroy the casual game player base which makes up the majority of PL anyways because people will feel obligated to spend money in order to succeed.

This isn't rocket science. Incentive is everything."

yes

[mejslll]

Like in arcane legends...

"Anyways, I agree with the original purpose to some degree. Those who spend a lot of money should be rewarded far, far more than they are. However, I don't think it should be in terms of stats unless there is an alternate means of obtaining these same stats without spending money on platinum.

Give them a cool hat! Give them access to places others can't go! Give them pets, armors, free crafted sets, whatever! But don't give them something that puts them above others stat-wise. That will destroy the casual game player base which makes up the majority of PL anyways because people will feel obligated to spend money in order to succeed.

This isn't rocket science. Incentive is everything."

yes

[FluffNStuff]

poor analogy, the real question is who supported the owners of the team better? who invested more money? that is the point of my op

Analogies are fun, so I will go with this one. You got two guys.
The football team in town is pretty bad. So bad in fact, that the owners are considering selling it. Mr. A likes the team a lot and shows up for all the games, buying regular seats despite the fact that the team might not even be around in a year.
A few years pass, and through some smart trades the team starts doing amazing and makes it into the playoffs. Mr. B takes interest and gets a luxury box for the game.

So the question is, who supported the game more, Mr. A or Mr. B? Mr. B spent a LOT more then Mr. A, but Mr. A ~risked~ a lot more then Mr. B because he was putting his money into an unproven team. Did Mr. B spend a lot of money on that luxury box? Yes, and he got his money's worth . So why would Mr. B expect anything more then what he paid for?

[Suentous PO]

poor analogy, the real question is who supported the owners of the team better? who invested more money?
The crowd that shows up to the game to watch .
There's a difference in who spends more and what makes a game popular.
The common people in the stands are more valuable than who bought the field. If no one wants to show up then the financial benifactors are irrelivent.
It's not about who spends the most, it's how to make the game the most popular. I believe we disagree that having spent the most money means you have contributed the most.
The privilege of disposable money is enough reward for me in any case.

[bglir]

"Anyways, I agree with the original purpose to some degree. Those who spend a lot of money should be rewarded far, far more than they are. However, I don't think it should be in terms of stats unless there is an alternate means of obtaining these same stats without spending money on platinum.

Give them a cool hat! Give them access to places others can't go! Give them pets, armors, free crafted sets, whatever! But don't give them something that puts them above others stat-wise. That will destroy the casual game player base which makes up the majority of PL anyways because people will feel obligated to spend money in order to succeed.

This isn't rocket science. Incentive is everything."

yes

I like the sound of it

[Doodlebeast]

Oh brother.... PL doomsday is coming..

[Elf-Orc-Naga]

i understood the concept of thread as I am one of those who spent money for plat to support sts. not to brag pls. i sometimes think of those rewards, but pls consider:
* balance in game
* note that you spend money for elixir so you save your time, time is gold, player who cant afford platinum play the game hard...
* if you have the plat and you want to be unique, lion helmet is available and dragons..
* the challenge for sts is to retain those players to continue spending
* if the game will be towards plat spending this will not help as majority doesnt have money... less players game gets boring eventually all type of players will get bored...
* investment is not forced by someone but the will and wealth of player...

[mejslll]

Analogies are fun, so I will go with this one. You got two guys.
The football team in town is pretty bad. So bad in fact, that the owners are considering selling it. Mr. A likes the team a lot and shows up for all the games, buying regular seats despite the fact that the team might not even be around in a year.
A few years pass, and through some smart trades the team starts doing amazing and makes it into the playoffs. Mr. B takes interest and gets a luxury box for the game.

So the question is, who supported the game more, Mr. A or Mr. B? Mr. B spent a LOT more then Mr. A, but Mr. A ~risked~ a lot more then Mr. B because he was putting his money into an unproven team. Did Mr. B spend a lot of money on that luxury box? Yes, and he got his money's worth . So why would Mr. B expect anything more then what he paid for?

much better analogy! who would you, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, give more attention to? the guy who stuck with you and invested $500 bucks? or the guy who just started to like you again and invested $25000 bucks?

now put that to real life - coke sells products to mr. A's store, one store in a ok location, sells $500 dollars a week of coke.
- coke sells porducts to mr. 7-11 store, they have many locations and sell $25000 dollars a week of coke.

each store makes the same VALUE from the coke - called profit - both make $1 dollar per sale, mr. A's store sells the coke for $1.50 per bottle, and mr. 7-11's store sells the same size, same bottle for $1.25 per bottle. they both have the same sales person.

Question:
#1) how can one store sell it for less and still make the same profit? (are they getting some sort of kick back? HINT: in this industry it is called "PAY TO STAY")
#2) why would coke give a benifit to one store over another? (could it be that a store that invested more in to coke, got more of coke's attention?)
#3) if the sales person had 10 shirts who should he give them to? all to store mr. A's store? all to mr.7-11's store? or split it up some how, like having an incentive? maybe 2 to mr.A's store and 8 to mr.7-11s store.
#4) how would giving a benifit help coke?(i mean after all each store got there moneys worth-correct?) by taking care of any GOOD customer? by making the customer feel appricated?

[mejslll]

The crowd that shows up to the game to watch .
There's a difference in who spends more and what makes a game popular.
The common people in the stands are more valuable than who bought the field. If no one wants to show up then the financial benifactors are irrelivent.
It's not about who spends the most, it's how to make the game the most popular. I believe we disagree that having spent the most money means you have contributed the most.
The privilege of disposable money is enough reward for me in any case.

its not about disposable money, its about marketing, the person who buys the marketing on the stadium wall is looking to get recongnition from the 65,000 average fans per home game. giant stadium or metlife stadium was purchaed for marking rights (the name of the stadium) for 400+ million dollars, crazy hu? wow!! reports say metlife and giants stadium have a very good relationship.

the point is that if metlife asked for a special favor from giants stadium im sure if giants stadium could accomidate them they would. if the fans asked for a special favor would they get it? well, lets see if a 65,000 fans pay 55 dollar average per seat, it would be 3.3 million dollars, 8 x home games = 26.4 million dollars a year - it would, take 14+ years for the fans to match the 400 million that metlife invested.

again not a great apples to apples comparison - but lets go with it - do the fans get incentives for going to the game? yes, hats for the first 1000 to get in or a flag or a bobble head... isnt the fact that "just going to the game" should be the value? it isnt! in the world of marketing and sales we always promote and incentives ppl. some how some way...

sts - has done the same thing for us... founders helm, shield of gratitude, and angel sets... AND THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU...!!!!

I AM SUGGESTING STS MAKE THE SAME TYPE OF INCENTIVE FOR PPL WHO BUY PLAT...

[mejslll]

i understood the concept of thread as I am one of those who spent money for plat to support sts. not to brag pls. i sometimes think of those rewards, but pls consider:
* balance in game
* note that you spend money for elixir so you save your time, time is gold, player who cant afford platinum play the game hard...
* if you have the plat and you want to be unique, lion helmet is available and dragons..
* the challenge for sts is to retain those players to continue spending
* if the game will be towards plat spending this will not help as majority doesnt have money... less players game gets boring eventually all type of players will get bored...
* investment is not forced by someone but the will and wealth of player...

GREAT POINTS!!

I am not suggesting we should make PL a game that leans towords plat spending - the same way i am not saying PL has to be "moved" in a direction of end game (higest level players) or merching, or ctf, or pvp, of pve... i am saying that all these areas have some sort of incentive...

one of the ppl who have been posting on here saying(insinuating) that Getting a reward for buying plat is arrogent - i saw in game with the title "Zillionare" i thought that was funny cuz why promote your have so much money if you dont want the attention or credit for doing what you have earned in the game... not poking fun just pointing it out. to each is there own - right?

so lets put an incentive in to plat buying! give a title that looks cool or give a pet that is a dollar sign tons of things that could be done that could be cool for us and benifical to STS/pl

(YES!, i suggested a stat bonus with some sort of reward! why wouldnt i? you never get what you dont ask for! - plus it would even out the founders helms in ctf and pvp as a level playing field) {it has even been suggested take all stat bonuses out of PvP, and ctf, just make the founders helm for Pve... it offers a great benifit for the whole group to have a player in your group that has a founders helm during pve} <---- this makes the most sence! that way founders are good for all of us, and get the respect they deserve!

[Rusalio]

Personally I like this idea. Its plain old common business sense. The game is purley for entertainment value, however its purpose is revenue producing, pure, plain and simple. Affordable to allow people to enjoy it but effective enough to bring profits while awarding the continued paid customers. If you expect things for free, the off button on your device will give you plenty of free time to do something else free :) Like everything in life, something cost and FREE is not an option for business.

[FluffNStuff]

much better analogy! who would you, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, give more attention to? the guy who stuck with you and invested $500 bucks? or the guy who just started to like you again and invested $25000 bucks?

now put that to real life - coke sells products to mr. A's store, one store in a ok location, sells $500 dollars a week of coke.
- coke sells porducts to mr. 7-11 store, they have many locations and sell $25000 dollars a week of coke.

each store makes the same VALUE from the coke - called profit - both make $1 dollar per sale, mr. A's store sells the coke for $1.50 per bottle, and mr. 7-11's store sells the same size, same bottle for $1.25 per bottle. they both have the same sales person.

Question:
#1) how can one store sell it for less and still make the same profit? (are they getting some sort of kick back? HINT: in this industry it is called "PAY TO STAY")
#2) why would coke give a benifit to one store over another? (could it be that a store that invested more in to coke, got more of coke's attention?)
#3) if the sales person had 10 shirts who should he give them to? all to store mr. A's store? all to mr.7-11's store? or split it up some how, like having an incentive? maybe 2 to mr.A's store and 8 to mr.7-11s store.
#4) how would giving a benifit help coke?(i mean after all each store got there moneys worth-correct?) by taking care of any GOOD customer? by making the customer feel appricated?

Excellent points, especially because numbers 1 and 2 are exactly how things are right now in Pocket Legends. Profit, or value as call it is equal to sale price less COST. Mr. A is only ~buying~ about 300 bottles of coke from the distributor and is paying fifty cents per bottle. Mr. 7-11 on the other hand is purchasing 20,000 bottles of coke from the distributor so they are selling it to him for a discount of 25 cents per bottle. A bulk discount for purchasing more? Hmm, sounds familiar. If they played PL, Mr. A would buy 10 platinum for 1.99 at the cost of 20 cents per platinum, while Mr. 7-11 would buy 2000 platinum for 89.99 (he is making a killing from the Coke sales) at the cost of 4 and a half cents per platinum.

So he is getting a 50 percent discount on his Coke and an 80 percent discount on his plat. Considering money is Mr. 7-11's bottom line, he would feel quite appreciated, and Mr. A can keep his lousy shirts as a consolation.

[mejslll]

Excellent points, especially because numbers 1 and 2 are exactly how things are right now in Pocket Legends. Profit, or value as call it is equal to sale price less COST. Mr. A is only ~buying~ about 300 bottles of coke from the distributor and is paying fifty cents per bottle. Mr. 7-11 on the other hand is purchasing 20,000 bottles of coke from the distributor so they are selling it to him for a discount of 25 cents per bottle. A bulk discount for purchasing more? Hmm, sounds familiar. If they played PL, Mr. A would buy 10 platinum for 1.99 at the cost of 20 cents per platinum, while Mr. 7-11 would buy 2000 platinum for 89.99 (he is making a killing from the Coke sales) at the cost of 4 and a half cents per platinum.

So he is getting a 50 percent discount on his Coke and an 80 percent discount on his plat. Considering money is Mr. 7-11's bottom line, he would feel quite appreciated, and Mr. A can keep his lousy shirts as a consolation.

lol - missing the point - but understanding how it works is good, you have that down perfect.

shoudnt both store owners be satisfied with buying coke at the same level? volume always offers a better price... great point! now how bout the ppl who bought 93,281 bottles of coke ? what should they get?

and as for the shirts, man it is funny how ppl would buy product from me when i offered a t-shirt or a box cutter or a baseball hat! and the top ppl who bought the most from me i paid for week-end vacations or a limo for a night and dinner... why? because in business it is easier to keep a coustomer then to find a new one...

[mejslll]

Personally I like this idea. Its plain old common business sense. The game is purley for entertainment value, however its purpose is revenue producing, pure, plain and simple. Affordable to allow people to enjoy it but effective enough to bring profits while awarding the continued paid customers. If you expect things for free, the off button on your device will give you plenty of free time to do something else free :) Like everything in life, something cost and FREE is not an option for business.

not to beat this to death, however i will (LOL) ...

bro i totally agree - makes total sense... and love your mind quote at the bottom - that is all im asking for with this thread

[FluffNStuff]

lol - missing the point - but understanding how it works is good, you have that down perfect.

shoudnt both store owners be satisfied with buying coke at the same level? volume always offers a better price... great point! now how bout the ppl who bought 93,281 bottles of coke ? what should they get?

and as for the shirts, man it is funny how ppl would buy product from me when i offered a t-shirt or a box cutter or a baseball hat! and the top ppl who bought the most from me i paid for week-end vacations or a limo for a night and dinner... why? because in business it is easier to keep a coustomer then to find a new one...

Ahh, the 93,281 bottles of coke. My fault for not answering the first part of your question:


much better analogy! who would you, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, give more attention to? the guy who stuck with you and invested $500 bucks? or the guy who just started to like you again and invested $25000 bucks?

So here we are, back at the nationally televised playoff game. Gate receipts come in at 7 million. Concessions and parking are 1.2 million. Television revenue clocks in at 15 million. So the business owner has these two guys. One invested 25K right now when I am looking at a windfall of profits. The other guy bought tickets when the team was at risk of folding, and without the support of him and others like him, the team would never have made it to point it is at now.
PL is like that. Sorry man, but it is a hit. A MEGA-HIT! There is no risk of it drying up tomorrow, and you losing everything you bought. I don't know exactly when it happened, but at some point it did happen and now buying platinum is just that. Buying a product, not supporting a game. You don't get extra credit for supporting a team that already won, but at least you KNOW you are getting your money's worth.

[mejslll]

Ahh, the 93,281 bottles of coke. My fault for not answering the first part of your question:



So here we are, back at the nationally televised playoff game. Gate receipts come in at 7 million. Concessions and parking are 1.2 million. Television revenue clocks in at 15 million. So the business owner has these two guys. One invested 25K right now when I am looking at a windfall of profits. The other guy bought tickets when the team was at risk of folding, and without the support of him and others like him, the team would never have made it to point it is at now.
PL is like that. Sorry man, but it is a hit. A MEGA-HIT! There is no risk of it drying up tomorrow, and you losing everything you bought. I don't know exactly when it happened, but at some point it did happen and now buying platinum is just that. Buying a product, not supporting a game. You don't get extra credit for supporting a team that already won, but at least you KNOW you are getting your money's worth.

you made a great point! and i agree pl is here to stay!!! thankfully!

but - from your analogy with out ppl like me sticking with the game for a loooong time... (had to be with all the plat i spent) ... pl wouldnt have gotten to were it is - im only one in a army of millions! but! i want to be heard too!

so if baltimore ravens gets fan support or additional ticket sales from fans because they now want to be part of the "winning team" the team should what? cut them off - tell them that coming to the game is enough?

bro - your arguing to be right not arguing to be smart... from your analogy in that world your points sound great - only one thing!

you leave out the factor of ppl who buy plat are not given any incentive out side of more plat for more money...

just like merching in pl, you get the gold from selling... shouldnt that be enough? - then why give titles to signify a status? it is called incentives~

ppl who buy plat deserve incentives... above and beyond the value of plat in game

[Suentous PO]

Ok no analogies. What I think you miss is that, by rewarding the minority who spends more, you are penalizing those who can't ( who are the majority).
The difference is that this is not a normal business, it is FTP with the option of paying which all ready helps you achieve more. Why expect more again?

[Schnitzel]

Sorry for double post

To original thread poster:
If your ideas were to happen, sts would see people quit sts games by hundreds.
Founders helm were a one time item. It would defeat the idea of playing pl since it started.
Imagine those people with 3 piece elite rings+ dragon vanity set bonuses+their regular sets then plus all your ideas combined= unstoppable pvp, ctf; pve player and many pvp and ctf players would quit the game because those "super people" were unstoppable.

and that = people quiting by hundreds each day since they dont buy plats

we dont have oppertunity at the founders so we will never get it. as for the plat it is fair to all because any and every one has the same chance to buy it.
Exactly like those elite items.
Some that made an account later didnt have a chance to get them.
And many asked for that chance to get those other elite vanities. And the devs said no
(I think...)
Anyways the part where you spend 89k plats to be a dev, not going to happen.

[Multibird]

"Anyways, I agree with the original purpose to some degree. Those who spend a lot of money should be rewarded far, far more than they are. However, I don't think it should be in terms of stats unless there is an alternate means of obtaining these same stats without spending money on platinum.

Give them a cool hat! Give them access to places others can't go! Give them pets, armors, free crafted sets, whatever! But don't give them something that puts them above others stat-wise. That will destroy the casual game player base which makes up the majority of PL anyways because people will feel obligated to spend money in order to succeed.

This isn't rocket science. Incentive is everything."

yes

Totally

[mejslll]

Ok no analogies. What I think you miss is that, by rewarding the minority who spends more, you are penalizing those who can't ( who are the majority).
The difference is that this is not a normal business, it is FTP with the option of paying which all ready helps you achieve more. Why expect more again?

THAT IS SO OFF BASE.... how is it a penalization???? is is a penalty to give vanity to capped players? look your statement almost cant even be take as a serious comment.

how do you justify it is a penalty?

[Suentous PO]

THAT IS SO OFF BASE.... how is it a penalization???? is is a penalty to give vanity to capped players? look your statement almost cant even be take as a serious comment.

how do you justify it is a penalty?
Personally I don't, but this is intoned in many threads eg: "this game is plat centered" "they (me) have unfair advantages".
What I'm saying is they have to appease the largest majority possible, because this game is free. I'm considering the pick up players also, who may not stick around to pay, if they see this in a wrong light as "plat centered" (again not my opinion).
Being able to spend plat has given me plenty of advantage (IMO) over the majority of people I meet in game.

[Schnitzel]

Mejslll,
Just going to say, theres really no point of the thread anymore..
Theres more people saying no to your idea then people agreeing with you.
And devs would most likely not add into the game what you are asking them to add to the game.
So..lets stop all those arguments of people arguing with other people by requesting a dev (samhayne, justg, delphina) to close this thread?

[mejslll]

Mejslll,
Just going to say, theres really no point of the thread anymore..
Theres more people saying no to your idea then people agreeing with you.
And devs would most likely not add into the game what you are asking them to add to the game.
So..lets stop all those arguments of people arguing with other people by requesting a dev (samhayne, justg, delphina) to close this thread?

just because people on here are arguing the point doesnt mean it is a pl consencious... some ppl just like to argue to argue... it should be left open to express both side.

and the point is finding a solution... so lets stay on that ... what is your solution?

[Suentous PO]

just because people on here are arguing the point doesnt mean it is a pl consencious... some ppl just like to argue to argue... it should be left open to express both side.
I don't mean to sound like I'm arguing (I'm not), but I do enjoy civil debate.
I'm not trying to change your mind, I was just trying to express something along the lines as the buddhist idea that desire is suffering. Finding ways to continue to appreciate what I already have has been a great coping mechanism.
I don't think much would change if they did make some statless vanity, but I expect more would complain about it and bring it up the next time a holiday map requires plat to play for instance.

"so let's stay on that, what's your solution?" my honest responce to that is,
There is no solution because there's no problem. I'll leave the thread so as not to beat a dead horse and repeat myself.
We both want what's best for the game so, we are on the same page.
Cheers

[dudetus]

This is still going on?

PL isn't getting anything anymore as AL is now the crown jewel of STS.

/end thread

[Schnitzel]

just because people on here are arguing the point doesnt mean it is a pl consencious... some ppl just like to argue to argue... it should be left open to express both side.
I don't mean to sound like I'm arguing (I'm not), but I do enjoy civil debate.
I'm not trying to change your mind, I was just trying to express something along the lines as the buddhist idea that desire is suffering. Finding ways to continue to appreciate what I already have has been a great coping mechanism.
I don't think much would change if they did make some statless vanity, but I expect more would complain about it and bring it up the next time a holiday map requires plat to play for instance.

"so let's stay on that, what's your solution?" my honest responce to that is,
There is no solution because there's no problem. I'll leave the thread so as not to beat a dead horse and repeat myself.
We both want what's best for the game so, we are on the same page.
Cheers
Agreed

[mejslll]

This is still going on?

PL isn't getting anything anymore as AL is now the crown jewel of STS.

/end thread

pffft

[Deathofan]

Lol, the only ones saying no is a founder and people who like to argue. I totally agree, everyday on a daily basis I go to the store and buy 4-packs of Monster & Budlight and they give me coupons, stickers and sometimes something free (but that's cus I know the cashier) and I like it. I've been going to the same store over 6 years and made a couple of friends here and there and I get this incentive that convinces me to keep on going. Same thing with this game, us players who invest a large amount of money should get a "thank you for buying, we'll make your money worth it" reward. It doesn't necessarily needs to be a stat'd vanity, but a real-exclusive vanity that makes us show the dedication we have put into the game.

[FluffNStuff]

Lol, the only ones saying no is a founder and people who like to argue. I totally agree, everyday on a daily basis I go to the store and buy 4-packs of Monster & Budlight and they give me coupons, stickers and sometimes something free (but that's cus I know the cashier) and I like it. I've been going to the same store over 6 years and made a couple of friends here and there and I get this incentive that convinces me to keep on going. Same thing with this game, us players who invest a large amount of money should get a "thank you for buying, we'll make your money worth it" reward. It doesn't necessarily needs to be a stat'd vanity, but a real-exclusive vanity that makes us show the dedication we have put into the game.

Like perhaps a hack me sign?

[Bunnyshoota]

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