Warriors with 190+ dps...

[Lazeeboy]

I'm 26 with deep sea gear however I can't break 170 dps.. On the other hand I see level 25 warriors that are already 170+ and some 26's that are 190+. I have 5 points in stength and 5 in damage increase with the other 15 in skyward smash, windmill, horn of renew and vengeful blood. What can I do to make my dps better (gear, talents, spec, etc)?

--Lazeeboy--

[CrimsonTider]

Gear, build's, and skills affect DPS. Pure strength will provide your warrior with the highest amount of damage. However, don't forget: Damage > DPS.

[SouLBlizzard]

Warrior doesnt need DPS.Damage is better

[Angobs]

I disagree the best dps weapon also produce better damage specially for warriors.

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[SouLBlizzard]

I disagree the best dps weapon also produce better damage specially for warriors.

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Give you example from experience:
Comparing trollbane axe and any shield/sword weapon
Trollbane more damage,less DPS > attack very slow
Shield/sword weapon Less damage,more DPS > attack fast
So actually damage is the one that effecting DPS not DPS effecting damage

[ishyrionek]

Pets affect dmg and dps too. Hazel, ribbit, snaggletooth, malison, wyatt give most str, dmg, dps.
Captain axe of potency 25/26 gives alot too.
To get 190+ you need mythic helm aswell :'(

[Angobs]

Give you example from experience:
Comparing trollbane axe and any shield/sword weapon
Trollbane more damage,less DPS > attack very slow
Shield/sword weapon Less damage,more DPS > attack fast
So actually damage is the one that effecting DPS not DPS effecting damage

Yeah i know that but the best weapons with high dps/damage are vorpal and darkwatch then captain axe of potency for lvl26. Auto attack is important for warriors specially in pvp if u know what i mean...

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[Lazeeboy]

Made some tweaks to my gear and hit almost 200 with vengeful blood up

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Thanks for the tips guys

[Jackyll]

yeah I have top of the line gear as well, Sealord armor of will lvl 26, Sealord helm of grace lvl 26 (+31 str version) and Captain's axe of potency, unbuffed i'm at 186.9 DPS, buffed at 205.2. not sure if you're asking buffed or unbuffed but yeah, with the Mythic warrior helm you can get 190+ unbuffed.

[Rollo]

I have lvl 25 deep sea gear, and a ribbit. My dps is 172 ish I believe. Maybe it depends on which accessories you use. Not sure what I have on but I know theyre lvl 25 legendary rings. Oh and the weapon to! I have a lvl 25 captains axe of...potency. I don't know, best of luck to you! Cheers.

[ishyrionek]

I have lvl 25 deep sea gear, and a ribbit. My dps is 172 ish I believe. Maybe it depends on which accessories you use. Not sure what I have on but I know theyre lvl 25 legendary rings. Oh and the weapon to! I have a lvl 25 captains axe of...potency. I don't know, best of luck to you! Cheers.yeap, that should help :-)
Are u drunk? :-D

[wolfkult]

I haven't spent very much (yet) and have 200+ dps w/ VB. I still need a sealord of will (or grace) chest piece and have no hope of ever having a helm (spent 200 plat opening chests last night, dumb!).

26 Captain's Axe
26 Red Beard Tricorn
25 Deep Sea Plate
26 Glowstone warfare
25 Ame Pendant of tides

all pts in str and 5/5 might

http://i.imgur.com/LIBN2mW.jpg

[Snoooooopy]

dps build ... http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?89005-Full-DPS-Warrior-Build!!

[inkredible]

I haven't spent very much (yet) and have 200+ dps w/ VB. I still need a sealord of will (or grace) chest piece and have no hope of ever having a helm (spent 200 plat opening chests last night, dumb!).

26 Captain's Axe
26 Red Beard Tricorn
25 Deep Sea Plate
26 Glowstone warfare
25 Ame Pendant of tides

all pts in str and 5/5 might

http://i.imgur.com/LIBN2mW.jpg


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[wolfkult]

You must have the sealord of will/grace stuff (much better armor #s), I can't afford that stuff until prices drop unfortunately.

[inkredible]

You must have the sealord of will/grace stuff (much better armor #s), I can't afford that stuff until prices drop unfortunately.

mixed of lvll 25s/26 not maxed out gear yet

[digitalbot]

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[CosmoxKramer]

i sounds like people here are worried about getting high "DPS" on the avatar screen. DPS = Damage * attacks per second (a/s) of your weapon. 1/(a/s) = attack speed. so your DPS on your avatar page is purely swinging your weapon. You should be looking to max out your Damage (from avatar) because your Skill damage a multiple of your Damage.

Damage * Multiplier = Average Skill Damage

For example my warrior is not 22 and has 116.1 Damage, and 130.6 DPS
Skyward Smash = 189-236 (including the 10% damage upgrade Thundering Hammer)
Chest Splitter = 172-215
Windmill = 149-186 (not including Blender)
Axe Throw = 139-174
Vengeful Blood = 147-183 mana per tick
Horn of Renew = 232-290 health per tick

Skyward smash has a 1.66 base or 1.83 (upgraded) modifier
Chest Splitter has a 1.66 modifier
Windmill has a 1.44 modifier or 1.57 (upgraded)
Axe Throw has a 1.35 mod
Vengeful Blood has a 1.42
Horn of Renew has a 2.25

Then the range of Mix-Max is +/-11% of the average damage. So my Skyward average damage is 212.5 damage. 89%*212.5 = 189 and 111*212.5=236.

So you can test this calculation against your Damage, but when you trying to see which equipment does the most 'total DPS' you have to take into account the Damage effecting your skill damage. Your DPS on the avatar page doesn't play a huge role because that is just a (a/s) speed * average weapon Damage (Damage stat). a lot of your dps comes from your abilities (especially when doing AOE).

You can read a similar discussion to this point in the sorcerer forum (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?88373-DPS-vs-Damage-a-detailed-comparison)

[wolfkult]

Cosmos, I've seen your awesome game mechanic posts, thanks for that analysis and your others.

Do you have any idea how crits work/scale?

[CosmoxKramer]

Thanks. Unfortunately i haven't done much testing at all on my Warrior/Rogue for this

For Sorcerers, critical hits do about 130% damage for weapons, and 130-150% damage for skills. Though skills are a lot harder to test because of low crit%, pets killing my target, or pet damage numbers floating over my skill numbers. I would assume these CritDam% would be about the same for other classes (not counting skills that say add x% crit damage or do x% crit damage).

[wolfkult]

Thanks. Unfortunately i haven't done much testing at all on my Warrior/Rogue for this

For Sorcerers, critical hits do about 130% damage for weapons, and 130-150% damage for skills. Though skills are a lot harder to test because of low crit%, pets killing my target, or pet damage numbers floating over my skill numbers. I would assume these CritDam% would be about the same for other classes (not counting skills that say add x% crit damage or do x% crit damage).

That seems reasonable. The whole warrior glitch thing is different, not sure if you've played with it but it only works when you get multi back to back crits on windmill. Each crit is higher than the last, you'll see 200, 600, 2000 on successive swings. I can't verify but it seems like they can be on different targets so when you are bombing (that is what I call it now :)) a group you can get it easier than 1on1. My PvP experience is now kamakaze missions where I have HoR bubble, VB, and ribbit up and run into a group of 4 and tap windmill. Windmill finishes and I insta die but usually get a kill or two in the process.

[CosmoxKramer]

haha awesome. Thanks for the questions because i made me go back and do some math. After doing the below math, i had to look at my Sorcerer calculator and i accidentally had the Crit% in the damage calculation when you only want to include it in the below when you are talking averages. So crits were doing less than they should have. The difference between 1% crit and 1% damage isn't as big as i had originally calculated, but there is still some difference. Below, may look like crit is better, but that over time, with misses, dodges, and truly random #'s Dam% is a more consistant increase and crit causes a more spikes in the calculation. I'm going to post some more results to that Sorcerer Damage vs. DPS post soon.

If they do follow these rules, then let's calculate what your true weapon DPS is (on your avatar page)
Let's use 130% crit rating, Ctrlkey's 27.17% crit and 177.3 Damage and 199.4 DPS, attacks per second (aps) = 199.4/177.3 = 1.125
Damage * (1 + (crit% * critdam)) * aps = true weapon dps
177.3 * (1 + (.2717 * 1.3)) * 1.125 = 269.9
with 27.17% crit, let's guess that he has 5% crit from passive skill. Let's switch those points over to 5% damage
177.3 * (1 + .2217 *1.3)) * 1.05 * 1.125 = 269.8

Let's look at his Skyward smash assuming he upgraded it 10%
with 5% crit scenario
177.3 * 1.83 = avg Skyward smash damage of 324.5 with a range of 289-360 (estimating)
Avg damage per Skyward including crit/critdam = SS * (1+(crit*critdam)) = 324.5*(1+(.2717*1.4)) = 447.93
with 5% Damage passive
177.3 *1.05 = 185.9 = 340.2 avg SS damage probably rounded to 340.5.
340.5 * (1+(.2217*1.4)) = 445.5

Now you can see when calculating average damage you have Damage * (1+(crit%*critdam%)). I accidentally had this still in my formula when calculating crit damage (my excel tool continued to evolve over time and still does). Where when calculating damage of crits should have just been doing Damage * 140%.

[inkredible]

i sounds like people here are worried about getting high "DPS" on the avatar screen. DPS = Damage * attacks per second (a/s) of your weapon. 1/(a/s) = attack speed. so your DPS on your avatar page is purely swinging your weapon. You should be looking to max out your Damage (from avatar) because your Skill damage a multiple of your Damage.

Damage * Multiplier = Average Skill Damage

For example my warrior is not 22 and has 116.1 Damage, and 130.6 DPS
Skyward Smash = 189-236 (including the 10% damage upgrade Thundering Hammer)
Chest Splitter = 172-215
Windmill = 149-186 (not including Blender)
Axe Throw = 139-174
Vengeful Blood = 147-183 mana per tick
Horn of Renew = 232-290 health per tick

Skyward smash has a 1.66 base or 1.83 (upgraded) modifier
Chest Splitter has a 1.66 modifier
Windmill has a 1.44 modifier or 1.57 (upgraded)
Axe Throw has a 1.35 mod
Vengeful Blood has a 1.42
Horn of Renew has a 2.25

Then the range of Mix-Max is +/-11% of the average damage. So my Skyward average damage is 212.5 damage. 89%*212.5 = 189 and 111*212.5=236.

So you can test this calculation against your Damage, but when you trying to see which equipment does the most 'total DPS' you have to take into account the Damage effecting your skill damage. Your DPS on the avatar page doesn't play a huge role because that is just a (a/s) speed * average weapon Damage (Damage stat). a lot of your dps comes from your abilities (especially when doing AOE).

You can read a similar discussion to this point in the sorcerer forum (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?88373-DPS-vs-Damage-a-detailed-comparison)


can u try calculating mine with the 78% crit - i wanna see where this 1k+ crit is comin from - or it really is just a total glitch

[wolfkult]

I think it has to be a bug, 78% is just the chance you have to crit not the amount your crit can be above base damage. Cosmos might have a different theory though.

[Rollo]

yeap, that should help :-)
Are u drunk? :-D

Lol I don't remember posting that even so I must have been :victorious:

[inkredible]

I think it has to be a bug, 78% is just the chance you have to crit not the amount your crit can be above base damage. Cosmos might have a different theory though.

edited: sorry read that wrong, and yea i think thats right 78% is the chance u may crit

[Bondox]

28496

;)

[inkredible]

kaboooom - ribbitt, no vengence , shiloh
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[Bondox]

NO Mythic ehh

[inkredible]

NO Mythic ehh

who?


this one doesn even have vegence , its possible for warrs to get up to 250,

with no mythic

max 225 ive riched lol


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[Cremated]

If damage is so important why cant we put damage where it normally shows DPS because i straight away look at DPS.

[MattyMV]

If damage is so important why cant we put damage where it normally shows DPS because i straight away look at DPS.

It's to play with people. Only a fool would focus on DPS. Warriors are slow, so having a fast attacking weapon really makes no difference. We rely on our skills for damage and in order to have a high damage skill, you need high DAMAGE stats. Really, DPS only matters to rogues since they are fast.

[Raxin]

243.6 damage
190dps
I bring the boom. Dps matters not on war.

[ycdref]

Im curious to see than lvl 26 ppl have the same stats of lvl 31 ppl ...