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XghostzX
03-24-2013, 11:51 AM
Hey guys! I thought it would be fun to create a guide for the Rhino! (75-76)

Description:

The Rhino is not meant for killing. It's a purely support and tanking class... that's when I decided I would try to make a Rhino for CTF! I'll show you the build I have for my Rhino (because many people have been asking me lately) as well as how to play with the Rhino in a CTF game effectively. This guide is relatively straight forward (pics to come as well).

Stats:

As a pure tanker, you want to maximize your armor and health points as much as possible. Place all of your points into the STR attribute, but leave enough points just so you have 11 points into int (this gives you +1 extra Mana Regen Point.)

Gear:

-Use the Savage set (Shield + Scythe - Level 75).

-I prefer the ring called, "Magician's Fine Iron Band" which can be bought for 10 platinum. (This is all preference, but I am simply maximizing my Armor and Health Points.)

-Use the face called, "War Paint" which can be bought for 10 plat at the Magic Mirror.

Skill Points:

Charge!! - 7 Points --> This is enough points placed in for a reasonable amount of damage. This spell is used most.

Rhino Might - 9 Points ---> When you max out this spell, it's a guaranteed chance of stunning your opponents (with the hope they don't dodge).

Restore - 8 Points --> +48 Health regen for 3 seconds is plenty, and it gives you the chance to save an extra point for another spell.

Redemption - 7 points --> Use this spell after "Charge!!" to perform a combo (2x the damage when combo occurs). Also provides a bit of health, so this is an important skill for killing.

Guardian - 9 Points --> This is your most useful skill. Other than the +40 armor buff and +10% dodge buff, you're also given the benefit of being Unrooted (when rooted) and Unfreezed (when frozen). This allows you to save your heal for another time when you need to be freed from a stun... use this spell wisely.

Vital Force - 9 Points --> You're best chance for actually killing.

Holy Tempest - 7 Points --> Enough points to have a 50% chance of debuffing.

Reincarnate - 9 Points --> Allows you to resurrect from 14 meters, giving your team a huge advantage.

Stone Skin - 9 Points --> Maximize armor.

Skills not being used:

Brute Force --> Plus 5 armor party buff and a max of +10% dodge buff is useless in end game. Don't focus on dodge, focus on armor and HP to be effective consistently. You can perfect consistency - not luck.

Divine Aura --> This skill is only useful leveling up. It provides a Mana Regen boost, but that's unnecessary at end game with 20+ mana regen.

Summon --> Some people think this spell is useful, but I say no. It provides some debuffs here and there, but at end game, all stats are way too blown out, so it's simply not useful.


KDR (for those that care):

If you choose to be an effective CTF player, YOU WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE KDR. My KDR (in case anyone was interested) in CTF is 1/2. For every kill I get, I get about 2.1 deaths. However, the amount of flags captured is HUGE.



How to be a Pro in CTF:

1.) BUFF YOUR TEAM WITH YOU DAMAGE BUFF. Giving your birds a +36 damage advantage is HUGE.

2.) It's all about what team your with. If you're the only tank (no other rhinos or bears), you should become, what i call, a "Defensive Tanker." Wow Ghost, what do you mean? A bear for example can go into a group of enemies buffed because they are meant to kill. Rhino's on the other hand can hardly kill - there's no point in running into a group of people. What you want to do is attract other players 1 by 1, because as long as your Rhino is buffed, one single player cannot kill you with ease.

3.) Note the different players on your team. If you have a bear, let him tank. If you have a Mage, you tank, and allow the Mage to Revive you. Having a Pally (mage) can be very useful. It allows for Heals, heals, heals, revive, revive, heals, heals, etc.

4.) Try making it to the other teams flag base with YOUR BUFFS READY TO GO. When players see the message, "Red team has the flag!" They WILL come for you. Your job as a Rhino is to not kill, but to simply evade.

-Use your spell "Charge!!" to allow yourself to "jump" to other spots (12m leap). When Rhino's have the clear, then it's basically a guaranteed point with this spell. Charge!! will not work when you're locked onto a player that's in your 12m range. Try changing your targeted player to evade with ease. I call this process Jumping. Jumping - Targeting players at a fast rate that are further ahead of the closest player in order to evade your opponent.

-USE YOUR BUFFS WISELY. As I noted above, Guardian is probably your most valuable skill. I prefer using Guardian at first to ensure that a Freeze or Root will not slow me down. Once Guardian's buffs come to a cease, I use the spell "Stone Skin" for extra protection. It always depends who is after you. If it's one mage, use this strategy. If it's a mage + a bird, then use both buffs at the same time.

-THE WALL IS YOUR FRIEND. When players chase after you, getting behind a wall allows you to "break" that targeted players track, so you can then use the skill "Charge!!" to evade.

-Take the map Rockwall forts. When you get the flag at the opponents base, but your enemies come in from their base, you may think that you're screwed. This is when your stun spells come in handy. Scale against the edge of the wall, and just as your opponents turn the corner, use your spells "Rhino Might" and "Holy Tempest." This will provide the chance to stun, and to knock-back your opponent. Then you evade with Charge!!

5.) Are you in desperate need to kill someone? Well, you're best (and only) chance is the following:

-Time up the spell "Vital Force". Without it, you can't kill anyone (unless they have a really low amount of HP).

-When close to the enemy, use the spell "Charge!!" directly followed by the spell "Redemption." This gives you a chance to Combo your opponent for 2x damage. If they don't die - don't give up! Use your stun spells, and wait for the Combo Charge + Redemption to occur again.

-Birds are the easiest to kill. Mages are tough, but are possible with strategy. You have a 1/100000 chance to kill a bear 1v1 unless you have support.

6.) Time up your "Reincarnate". A mage's resurrect has a shorter delay than Reincarnate, so this gives you some advantages and disadvantages.

Pros - Because of the longer delay once casted, you can press the skill to resurrect someone, and then quickly get behind a wall. It's basically giving more protection to your dead friend. This requires practice, because some players aren't as good with timing.

Cons - Longer delay = more time for the opponents to kill you. Sometimes you need to anticipate when your teammates might die, in order for the resurrection to fully work. It's very common for a Rhino to attempt a Resurrection, but then it doesn't successfully reach your teammate. It's the delay!


7.) Use Restore (heal) wisely. The cool-down for Restore is longer than a Mages, so you can't spam this skill like a mage would. Use it when someone's health is relatively low. Make sure that if you're going to heal yourself from being rooted or frozen that your spell "Guardian" is not activated, as guardian will automatically free you from roots and freezes.


That's about it for now :) I'll try post some pictures later - if you have any questions, feel free to ask in the thread, PM me, or find me in game.

~Ghost

Yich
03-24-2013, 11:55 AM
First

Will add criticism/ GJs after reading

Edit: negative KDR? But goste, than your n00b... Very few players would pick a negative KDR class that wins games over a kill hog class that loses.

Caiahar
03-24-2013, 11:57 AM
Awesome guide ghost! I've been trying out builds with my rhino, tho he isn't endgame! Second rhino pvp guide I saw, and best one ever! Keep up the good work ghost!

XghostzX
03-24-2013, 11:57 AM
First

Will add criticism/ GJs after reading

I know it's unorganized. I'll try to add pics later and to organize a bit more, but this is the gist of it.

Caiahar
03-24-2013, 11:59 AM
I know it's unorganized. I'll try to add pics later and to organize a bit more, but this is the gist of it.

May be unorganized, but it's great! I expected someone like you making an endgame pvp/ctf guide for a little Underpowered Character!

Next thing you know, Ghost will be making an endgame Pvp/Ctf fox guide!

XghostzX
03-24-2013, 12:35 PM
@Yich - Winning a CTF game is more satisfying than racking up kills, imo. :D

Yich
03-24-2013, 12:48 PM
@Yich - Winning a CTF game is more satisfying than racking up kills, imo. :D

Ye but you are a real pro. It's different.

Fallen_Chisk_Angels
03-24-2013, 01:43 PM
You may have a negative K/D ratio but if you count your wins and losses you'll definitely have a positive W/L Ratio.

dudetus
03-24-2013, 03:03 PM
Add pics. Without pics the guide is obsolete.

And rhino's laugh emote is funny. Add that too.

Gaunab
03-24-2013, 03:55 PM
Add pics. Without pics the guide is obsolete.

And rhino's laugh emote is funny. Add that too.

Crying rhinos are even better!

Multibird
03-24-2013, 10:44 PM
Thanks for sharing :)

Mennddoza
03-25-2013, 01:34 PM
I'm not a fan of ctf so I'm looking for build that does damage!

XghostzX
03-25-2013, 02:33 PM
I'm not a fan of ctf so I'm looking for build that does damage!

Level your Rhino to end game, you'd love it :D

Yich
03-25-2013, 03:48 PM
You may have a negative K/D ratio but if you count your wins and losses you'll definitely have a positive W/L Ratio.

Oh show me where they added a win/loss tracker, would you? They didnt, so all the people out there just to make themselves look better arent going to use a rhino.

XghostzX
03-25-2013, 08:51 PM
Oh show me where they added a win/loss tracker, would you? They didnt, so all the people out there just to make themselves look better arent going to use a rhino.

Ayy, easy there.

Extreme
12-23-2013, 08:19 AM
I feel like this thread needs to be bump and stickied as there are many Rhinos looking for a build so...

bump.

Argyros
12-23-2013, 10:22 AM
One fact...

Summon is not only a debuff, but it can be used for a combo.

Whatev, I currently have a rhino and I'm seriously confused about why you put points in somethings which you could have spent in others.

I have a lvl 71 rhino, and here is what my build looks like.-

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/23/ysaveqeh.jpg

So first off, why did you put 7 in redemption and charge? Okay I may be able to understand putting more into charge but redemption? It seems to give an insignificant amount of DMG for each level? Why use skill points on these if they don't add to a specific price like stun %?(redemption dmg per lvl: 4+-6+) (charge dmg per lvl: 4+-10+)

9 in vital/stone/and guardian is obvious. Guardian + stone gives 88+ armor! That's a lot!

9 in heal and rev- rhino is for support, heal is great at 9 and 14m helps with rev.

9 tempest- at 7 it may only give 50% debuff, at 9 its gives 60% debuff chance+ -30% hit

9 might- the description says stun for 3s, unless they dodge, that's 100% chance + -12 Hs per sec.

5 summon- this could possibly go into charge, but it has debuffs. -10% dodge and -15 Hs per sec. Stack that with might and that's -27 Hs per sec, which is something...

There is one rhino combo that a know of... Which is juiced. That can be made by either charge+red. or summon+red. it hits more often with summon.

Now you can see why I place skill points where, and where I map them.

**Buffs on the left.** Might next to summon, for the -HP effects** Might next to charge for the fancy haxor (my secret).** Charge next to tempest for the giant knock back.** Charge next to red. for the combo** Summon next to red. for the combo.** Heal next to red. (They are both healz)** Rev at top**


Yw for sharing my stuff, now tell me if I'm doing something wrong. Rhino is a fun class.

XghostzX
12-23-2013, 10:37 AM
One fact...

Summon is not only a debuff, but it can be used for a combo.

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What exactly is the combo, and what's the name for it? What does it do?

Thanks.

Argyros
12-23-2013, 10:50 AM
What exactly is the combo, and what's the name for it? What does it do?

Thanks.

Just made big edit. Please make big reply now lol.

Edit: You gotta play some more rhino lol.

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Gragorak
12-23-2013, 10:58 AM
Just made big edit. Please make big reply now lol.

Edit: You gotta play some more rhino lol.
You should have made your own guide, your is more logical than Ghost's. :applause:

Edit: those hp debuffs are actually h/s debuffs, so they aren't so useful.

Argyros
12-23-2013, 11:02 AM
You should have made your own guide, your is more logical than Ghost's. :applause:

Edit: those hp debuffs are actually h/s debuffs, so they are almost useless.

Ooops your right, read it wrong, even if it was -HP it would be useless lol.

Hmm, there are ALOT of cool tricks I know with rhino, haxing with stun, crowd control techniques and so on. I'd like to make a guide, but I doubt people would respect it if I don't even have a rhino at 75/76. So I'd like to cap first before I start putting it into a guide. I made sure I capped my bear before writing my visual bear guide, and I deal the same way.

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XghostzX
12-24-2013, 04:54 PM
Argy, you're idea is flawed. Stats in end game are totally blown out, and you don't have an end game rhino, so you can't make any claims. I'm very experienced with end game, especially the rhino.

For instance, when you tell me to have 9 points in holy tempest rather than 7, you're wasting two points for a mere 10% chance to debuff. Unfortunately, this would be more effective for lower levels but with insane amounts of dodge, skills either land or they don't. A 10% increase is in end game is proportional to me rolling a dice hoping to land on a "1" every time, only finding that this "10% increased chance" would have probably no significant impact (putting it into perspective).

Now look at the spell "summon". Exact same thing. -27h/s or -10% dodge has no impact at end game.

Not to mention this build is purely for tanking and CTF. When you reside to focusing on making killing it easier - well, that's just not the point of this guide.

Those who avoid encountering the "luck" component tend to lose to an opponent who can master stats that remain consistent. In a nutshell, as long as you bring up hit percent or dodge or a small debuff, it's irrelevant and insignificant for end game. I would agree with you IF STS balanced PvP, but that's a stretch.

I know what I'm talking about; please don't say "Ghost, you should play rhino more" as you don't have any end game experience with a rhino.

Gragorak
12-24-2013, 06:42 PM
Not to mention this build is purely for tanking and CTF. When you reside to focusing on making killing it easier - well, that's just not the point of this guide.
You're focusing on killing rather than trying to be pure tank. 14 points in redemption and charge and 0 in brute force? You would rather have few extra points damage than 10 more dodge in reserve? Yeah, sounds tanky.

XghostzX
12-24-2013, 08:31 PM
You're focusing on killing rather than trying to be pure tank. 14 points in redemption and charge and 0 in brute force? You would rather have few extra points damage than 10 more dodge in reserve? Yeah, sounds tanky.

Please read through the whole guide, carefully. It's a great balance between tanking and for killing birds. The amount of skill points are distributed equally, enough to be efficient to kill birds.

Thanks for your generous feedback you're super sweet :-)))

Argyros
12-24-2013, 09:25 PM
Argy, you're idea is flawed. Stats in end game are totally blown out, and you don't have an end game rhino, so you can't make any claims. I'm very experienced with end game, especially the rhino.

For instance, when you tell me to have 9 points in holy tempest rather than 7, you're wasting two points for a mere 10% chance to debuff. Unfortunately, this would be more effective for lower levels but with insane amounts of dodge, skills either land or they don't. A 10% increase is in end game is proportional to me rolling a dice hoping to land on a "1" every time, only finding that this "10% increased chance" would have probably no significant impact (putting it into perspective).

Now look at the spell "summon". Exact same thing. -27h/s or -10% dodge has no impact at end game.

Not to mention this build is purely for tanking and CTF. When you reside to focusing on making killing it easier - well, that's just not the point of this guide.

Those who avoid encountering the "luck" component tend to lose to an opponent who can master stats that remain consistent. In a nutshell, as long as you bring up hit percent or dodge or a small debuff, it's irrelevant and insignificant for end game. I would agree with you IF STS balanced PvP, but that's a stretch.

I know what I'm talking about; please don't say "Ghost, you should play rhino more" as you don't have any end game experience with a rhino.

When did I say you did not have experience? Rhino has only been out for about exactly a year now, nobody can claim to have anymore experience then any other player. Assuming that your a 12 month+ vet like me (which you are) I think no one can pin anyone for having an insane amount of skill of the class lel.

I believe we can build off each others knowledge to create a more efficient and more lethal rhino.

I'm probably guessing that you have been playing rhino at endgame for the longest time... I don't want to jump to conclusions but, your not going to automatically be the best possible if you have been powerleveled to endgame, never capped, and built a build of a semi understanding of the class. I believe that PvP is a playoff of pve, but more single target focused.

Anyhow, since I'm posting this at 9:04 Christmas eve, you can understand that I'm willing to work with you. I'm picturing the stat difference of the -10% dodge, and the 50 or so extra dodge as on a scale, which would you rather have? Which would be worth using? You tell me, I have only played endgame CTF/PvP on mage pally and bear.

Ok, so do you suggest me putting 2 points off of tempest and 4 points off summon and into charge? Or might? lol, work with me bae. I might've gotten a little off track, but my previous post was originally intended to ask you advice on a l71 rhino build. I then reallized that maybe you didn't know the summon combo lel.

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XghostzX
12-24-2013, 09:49 PM
Just made big edit. Please make big reply now lol.

Edit: You gotta play some more rhino lol.

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Metaphorically saying I don't have the experience, but I do appreciate the building off of each other's knowledge part lol.

Look, there's no perfect build. Truly one or two points won't make a big difference, and it's up to you.

Caiahar
12-24-2013, 10:03 PM
Guys..overrall, its good. Not exactly the best, but hey, no one is perfect, everyone has their opinions on one thing and other.
This guide overrall IMO is good, I just would make some changes to my liking.
Also, if anyways thinks that I don't know much about rhino and my statement is false, well, I dont have experience in endgame rhino, but I do have experience in rhinos, pvping with them since they came out and having a good understanding of them.

Gragorak
12-25-2013, 09:36 AM
Please read through the whole guide, carefully. It's a great balance between tanking and for killing birds. The amount of skill points are distributed equally, enough to be efficient to kill birds
Yes, I've read your guide. Carefully. Multiple times.

But I still don't see how 51 damage < 10 dodge + 5 armor (in reserve). Yeah, you'll kill some birds and full int mages once in a while, but does that really make so much difference? Leave the killing for others and focus on tanking, supporting and scoring.

Let's think about some senarios (I assumed savage rhino has 45 dodge):

Scenario 1: rhino has flag, guardian is used, two mages at 12m starting to spam skills at rhino:
Without brute force rhino has 30.25% (P=0.55^2x100%) chance to dodge both frostbites and charge away with the flag.
With brute force rhino has 42.25% (P=0.65^2x100%) chance to dodge both frostbites.
With that extra 10 dodge from brute force the rhino would have 28.4% higher chance to dodge both frostbites and score instead of getting iced and killed.

Scenario 2: rhino has flag, two mages 7m away starting to spam skills at rhino (I now assume that frostbites aren't coming at same time):
Without brute force rhino has 69.75% (P=100%-P(0.55^2x100%)) chance to dodge at least one of the frostbites and charge away with the flag.
With brute force rhino has 79.75% (P=100%-P(0.45^2x100%)) chance to dodge at least one of the frostbites and charge away with the flag.
With that extra 10 dodge from brute force the rhino would have 33% lower chance to be hit by both frostbites and being killed instead of scoring.

Conclusion: 10 extra dodge% is more useful than a killsteal once in a while.

XghostzX
12-25-2013, 11:15 AM
Grag, if you've played a competitive end game CTF match, as long as there is a rhino/fox in game, the other team will always leave one of their damage dealers to defend. You need to be able to kill a bird/mage when it's needed, you can't jump your way through the entire map. +51 damage is a huge advantage for killing birds/mages in my opinion, and I simply think that's what I prefer and what you don't.

Ssneakykills
12-25-2013, 12:16 PM
People look into builds and every thing too much in my opinion but I think this guide is good and helpful for people experienced rhinos or people wanting to try rhino fir the first time

Caiahar
12-25-2013, 03:04 PM
People look into builds and every thing too much in my opinion but I think this guide is good and helpful for people experienced rhinos or people wanting to try rhino fir the first time
True, this guide is pretty good. For someone first trying it out, its useful, later if they get hardcore they can make changes.

Ssneakykills
12-25-2013, 06:24 PM
True, this guide is pretty good. For someone first trying it out, its useful, later if they get hardcore they can make changes.

Exactly, can't complain when getting free advice and tips ^_^