L16 Warrior is OP.

[hotpimp]

In lvl 16, its impossible to kill a maxed gear warrior in 1 v 1... It might be the gear that is OP because there was no pvp during the l16 cap and warriors need a lot of armor to withstand the elite mobs. There are no more elite mobs so you can buff warrior armor :0,
In 1 v 1 u can spam everything against warrior and the ELITE WARRIOR (max gear, decent build, noobs warriors are a bit of a challenge, EVEN NEW WARRIORS ARE A CHALLENGE) will still be alive and they will heal back to full with VB heal also. Because u have spammed ur skills u have no mana. So ur dead. Even if u dont spam ur skills u will eventually run out and the warrior will have endless mana thanks to VB.
- NERF warrior armor, warrior gear has OP stats,
OR
-NERF warriors VB, warriors get unlimited mana almost... Of course if this happens lower mana consumption of warrior skills.
OR
-Reduce Rogue's mana consumption, way too high atm.
OR
-Nerf warriors 2 sec invicibility.

Take note, i am talking about l16 PVP froma rogue.
I saw similar things in l21 pvp.

ELITE ROGUES DAMAGE RATIO IS LOWER THEN ELITE WARRIORS HEAL RATIO- rogues do some damage, not higher then the amount that the warriors can almost instantly heal back.

I may have missed some points.

[hotpimp]

Reserved. Am talking about 1 v 1, not ffa.

[Bless]

Yeah Look at my thread "warrior mana opinions" talking all about op. People too blind to see logic.

No need for nerf on 2 sec invincibility. Just nerf VB, after 250mp is given, no more mana heal on warrior.

[Rollo]

Everyone understands... but nobody cares, because this problem doesn't carry over to end game pvp. Why would devs rebalance pvp for the sake of low level twinks? Waste of resources that can be better used for developing new game types or pvp maps imo.

[Cero]

In lvl 16, its impossible to kill a maxed gear warrior in 1 v 1... It might be the gear that is OP because there was no pvp during the l16 cap and warriors need a lot of armor to withstand the elite mobs. There are no more elite mobs so you can buff warrior armor :0,
In 1 v 1 u can spam everything against warrior and the ELITE WARRIOR (max gear, decent build, noobs warriors are a bit of a challenge, EVEN NEW WARRIORS ARE A CHALLENGE) will still be alive and they will heal back to full with VB heal also. Because u have spammed ur skills u have no mana. So ur dead. Even if u dont spam ur skills u will eventually run out and the warrior will have endless mana thanks to VB.
- NERF warrior armor, warrior gear has OP stats,
OR
-NERF warriors VB, warriors get unlimited mana almost... Of course if this happens lower mana consumption of warrior skills.
OR
-Reduce Rogue's mana consumption, way too high atm.
OR
-Nerf warriors 2 sec invicibility.

Take note, i am talking about l16 PVP froma rogue.
I saw similar things in l21 pvp.

ELITE ROGUES DAMAGE RATIO IS LOWER THEN ELITE WARRIORS HEAL RATIO- rogues do some damage, not higher then the amount that the warriors can almost instantly heal back.

I may have missed some points.


problem: spam skills

suggestion: dont spam, if it is 1v1 save and used mana for packs. dont try to hit them but tank them with packs. they wont get mana return and in a long run will run out. just know how long a warrior lost mana being not hit. it doesnt gurantee of winning but im pretty sure you wont die.

[Bless]

Everyone understands... but nobody cares, because this problem doesn't carry over to end game pvp. Why would devs rebalance pvp for the sake of low level twinks? Waste of resources that can be better used for developing new game types or pvp maps imo. well they should. Endgame is the same as twinking, thinking something else is daft and loopsided.e

[Raxin]

Yur trying to nerf whole game so stupid lvl 16 pvp is balanced? at endgame currently rogues pwn wars quit crying

[really]

Obviously, there is no end to the amount of nerfing that warriors need. Just make it so they drop dead as they enter PVP. If you want a problem to address, get rid of scripting.

[Valkiryas]

It is quite annoying that warriors have a lower damage about 35 that a rogue but his life is almost double, plus they can be invincible to others and as if that were not enough can regenerate your mana in the case of one rogue is impossible.

[Infrico]

Wow, I haven't played 16 PvP in a while but I thought the vengeful nerf on warriors made rogue far more op, due to hp packs. Guess I was wrong o.O

[Infrico]

Everyone understands... but nobody cares, because this problem doesn't carry over to end game pvp. Why would devs rebalance pvp for the sake of low level twinks? Waste of resources that can be better used for developing new game types or pvp maps imo.

Are you serious, most the PvP updates were based on end-game PvP. You think end-game PvP has more priority because... you can do elite? you can wear mythic/elite items? From what I see in the PvP forums, majority of threads are from twinks and low-levellled toons, indicating a profitable market for sts... so I wouldn't call it a waste of resources. Your waste of resources argument doesnt even make sense lol...do you think thats how a development team works? There are specific people they use to do certain jobs... the development of new maps and balancing PvP can both be done, its not as if sts have like 3 people working for them lol.

[Raxin]

twinking balance concerns dont matter its all about endgame. Your veiw is narrow if you think things should change so 16 is fair. Seriously its like gocarts whining about nascars. Play within the mechanics that are present. And the people complaining have insane k:d ratios guess what twinks welcome to the real world where players diein pvp.

[Wowsome]

-1 is what i hv to say

[Syylent]

"I saw similar things in l21 pvp."


I can't talk about lvl 16 pvp, but I can about lvl 21.

There are certain rogues that will best a full out lvl 21 warrior. It isn't even a challenge for them. I've seen them take down higher levels as well. They are good to, really good.

Rogues are top of the food chain. Always have and apparently always will be.

Oh and you are wrong about VB. I run out of mana quite a bit.

Stop spamming skills and you won't run out so fast.

[GoodSyntax]

Honestly, the problem is that you are just spamming skills.

Spamming skills against a warrior with VB active is kind of the same thing as spamming against a warrior with shielding.

Learn some patience, tank/kite while VB is active, after VB is off, you have plenty of time before the skill cools down.

Tactics have to be able to adjust to what is happening. Spamming skills is not tactics.

Also, learn to stack your Crit% with uncharged aimed shots. If done correctly, when you spam away your skills, every shot is a crit - including your Nox and SP. Chain your skills together when you are at a high crit% and when Aimed+Nox+SP all hit, they all crit. This combo alone will wipe out 50% of a Warriors health, and after a second round, there is a dead Warrior.

The hardest parts of dealing with Warriors is to exercise some patience and to avoid being snared by Windmill. Some Warriors that have Axe Throw can be more of a challenge, but when he is throwing the axe, he is essentially stunned for two seconds, giving you an opportunity to nuke all skills. The key is to then get out of melee range as soon as possible. Rogues don't do well 1v1 in melee range.

[Infrico]

twinking balance concerns dont matter its all about endgame. Your veiw is narrow if you think things should change so 16 is fair. Seriously its like gocarts whining about nascars. Play within the mechanics that are present. And the people complaining have insane k:d ratios guess what twinks welcome to the real world where players diein pvp.

You know the people who say that? The one's who have never tried it. Whoever dominates End-game PvP is dependent upon their affluence. Real skillful indeed.

[Cremated]

rico cutey its me godz

[Raxin]

twinking balance concerns dont matter its all about endgame. Your veiw is narrow if you think things should change so 16 is fair. Seriously its like gocarts whining about nascars. Play within the mechanics that are present. And the people complaining have insane k:d ratios guess what twinks welcome to the real world where players diein pvp.

You know the people who say that? The one's who have never tried it. Whoever dominates End-game PvP is dependent upon their affluence. Real skillful indeed.
I twinked at 16 to get my opinion on twinking fyi

[Haowesie]

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[Bless]

It might be the gear that is OP because there was no pvp during the l16 cap and warriors need a lot of armor to withstand the elite mobs. There are no more elite mobs so you can buff warrior armor :0, I drool at the common sense in this post...

Nerf L16 warrior gear, then peeps won't complain anymore about war being crap at high lvls

[hotpimp]

EXACTLY^
I dont spam skills,
If i just used packs, the warrior and me battle would go on forever until one of us lagged...
NERF THE L15/16 ELITE WARRIOR GEAR, helm and armor.

[Rollo]

well they should. Endgame is the same as twinking, thinking something else is daft and loopsided.e

Sure they're similar, the same way high school football is similar to college ball.


Are you serious, most the PvP updates were based on end-game PvP. You think end-game PvP has more priority because... you can do elite? you can wear mythic/elite items?

Dunno I thought this was obvious. When expansions come out everyone wants to pvp in the best gear with the most skill points. Which is end game. Since pve focuses on end game what makes you think pvp would be any different?

[Bless]

well they should. Endgame is the same as twinking, thinking something else is daft and loopsided.e

Sure they're similar, the same way high school football is similar to college ball.


Are you serious, most the PvP updates were based on end-game PvP. You think end-game PvP has more priority because... you can do elite? you can wear mythic/elite items?

Dunno I thought this was obvious. When expansions come out everyone wants to pvp in the best gear with the most skill points. Which is end game. Since pve focuses on end game what makes you think pvp would be any different? i dont think anyone does pve for fun, pvp is for fun. Theyre two different things. Ofc it would be different...

"Pvp should only be focused on endgame " LOL. Ignorant much?...

Seriously. Twinking is a form of pvp, people are trying to push it away. What if people dont wanna spend half of their time trying to gt money for gear or tryin to get to lvl cap?

[hotpimp]

More people twink then endgame...

[Rollo]

i dont think anyone does pve for fun


LOL. Ignorant much?

The irony of this is astonishing.


More people twink then endgame...

Its statements like these that makes it hard for anyone to take you seriously. Where is your data backing this up? No one has a problem with twinks. I have one. Do I think the game needs to be balanced around my lvl 10 rogue? Hell no. That would be stupid. The game is expanding to higher and higher levels, and that's where you're going to see balance, plain and simple.

[boomboompow]

Everybodys shouting nerf when they cant kill someone. Create a new strategy instead of saying that warriors are OP.

[Cero]

nerf is getting OP. pls nerf:D

[Bless]

Everybodys shouting nerf when they cant kill someone. Create a new strategy instead of saying that warriors are OP. try it before you speak ;)

[Infrico]

Sure they're similar, the same way high school football is similar to college ball.



Dunno I thought this was obvious. When expansions come out everyone wants to pvp in the best gear with the most skill points. Which is end game. Since pve focuses on end game what makes you think pvp would be any different?

Tell me this, what is the difference in PvPing with the best gear in lets say level 16 and PvPing with the best gear in end-game? At the end of the day, its the same thing, its PvP, the only difference is, twinks choose not to pay large sums of gold to PvP whereas End-gamers do. My point being, you go into end-game for PvE, you go into to twinking for PvP, because the only difference I see is the spending of gold. You mentioned having more skill points....the number of skill points doesn't matter, why? because your opponents will have the same number of skill points as you or a similar number of skill points as you no matter which level bracket you choose to go into, so either way you're in a even playing field.

[boomboompow]

try it before you speak ;)

i dont need to try it. Even if i cant kill an "OP" warrior doesnt mean that they need to be nerfed. They just found a better build to counter yours and now that you cant kill them you shout "OP".

[Bless]

try it before you speak ;)

i dont need to try it. Even if i cant kill an "OP" warrior doesnt mean that they need to be nerfed. They just found a better build to counter yours and now that you cant kill them you shout "OP". Yeah me and ctf can beat 95% of all rogues and mages. With warriors its a whole new story! Op wars ftw

[hotpimp]

Like bless said^ if the best rogues have a hard time with warriors who can kill them?
Average rogue kdr-3
Average mage-2
Average warrior-6

...

I have spent A LOT of plat on respecs tryin to find a build vs warrior, conclusion? OP is OP.

I dont always spam, but when i do, i die.

[Rollo]

Tell me this, what is the difference in PvPing with the best gear in lets say level 16 and PvPing with the best gear in end-game? At the end of the day, its the same thing, its PvP, the only difference is, twinks choose not to pay large sums of gold to PvP whereas End-gamers do. My point being, you go into end-game for PvE, you go into to twinking for PvP, because the only difference I see is the spending of gold. You mentioned having more skill points....the number of skill points doesn't matter, why? because your opponents will have the same number of skill points as you or a similar number of skill points as you no matter which level bracket you choose to go into, so either way you're in a even playing field.

Heres the difference. End game is similar to low level pvp sure. Not exactly the same. More skill points/more skill effects, larger stats, better procs on weapons etc. It's better balanced than twink pvp, because end game is and always will be priority in an expansion based game. Theres a reason gear is more expensive at level cap than in twink levels. More people are buying and selling that gear. More people are using it. You really think devs are going to ignore the majority in favor of a minority of players?

[gundamsone]

It's similar but not the same.
I pvp often at l16 and 26 and the playstyle is quite different tbh

but that's just my opinion so who knows maybe it's THAT similar

[Infrico]

Rogues can beat warriors though. Bring any warrior level 21, I assure you 100% I will win a 1 v 1. Add me: Twinkleton :D

[Bless]

Rogues can beat warriors though. Bring any warrior level 21, I assure you 100% I will win a 1 v 1. Add me: Twinkleton :D this is L16, were discussing lowering stats on gear L16...

[TourneAsunder]

From endgame perspective...VB is not endless mana- you go OOM unless it is another warr that is fighting you.

VB does not give mana unless you are thwackin on the guy...let him waste the cast and go oom.

If the problem is it being an "endless fight" if you just use packs...welcome to a warrs world versus each other. So you can not kill each other...move on to another target.

...better yet, stop 1v1 and play as a team. You silly twinks can always go endgame for balanced pvp- low lvl pvp is supposed to prepare you for endgame pvp...not be your ticket out of it.

Why would low lvl pve content be your bread and butter in an mmo...or crafting the lowest tier items?

[Syylent]

this is L16, were discussing lowering stats on gear L16...

"Take note, i am talking about l16 PVP froma rogue.
I saw similar things in l21 pvp."

Partial quote from OP.

"Rogues can beat warriors though. Bring any warrior level 21, I assure you 100% I will win a 1 v 1. Add me: Twinkleton "

He happens to be right. There are a few 21 rogues I just cannot beat no matter what. Not sure if twink is one. The name isn't that familiar.

At every level a top geared rogue wins. If you don't, the problem isn't the class.

[Syylent]

Why would low lvl pve content be your bread and butter in an mmo...or crafting the lowest tier items?

Just to answer this one.. I find the pve quite boring. Mind numbingly so. This is just my perspective. Others may think differently.

I pved for less than 30 mins last night. I usually can make it maybe 5 minutes. You need to pve to level. In my case.. That will take a year. Then to gear you need to pve more... That will take another year.

That being said... some people just do not like pve.

[TourneAsunder]

Just to answer this one.. I find the pve quite boring. Mind numbingly so. This is just my perspective. Others may think differently.

I pved for less than 30 mins last night. I usually can make it maybe 5 minutes. You need to pve to level. In my case.. That will take a year. Then to gear you need to pve more... That will take another year.

That being said... some people just do not like pve.

I was just trying to state that nobody settles for low lvl pve content in mmo's...they lvl beyond it in a few hours. Nor should they settle for low lvl pvp...big reasons for twinks over the years has been an imbalance at endgame pvp so mains use the wealth and items they have already accumulated to fund an unbeatable twink...to experience something positive from a faulty pvp system.

Another reason would be easy meat in the hordes of true low lvl toons without the backing of the main account...but that has lessened over the years since the "meat" just avoids pvp until endgame now.

[Skidmarkz]

For those who said twink pvp is easy i suggest you make one and see how easy it is. And endgame also have easy meat that cannot afford gears. Imo twink is more difficult because of the limited amount of skill points and the variety of builds that cause. Make and play a twink before you bash them.

[Bless]

For those who said twink pvp is easy i suggest you make one and see how easy it is. And endgame also have easy meat that cannot afford gears. Imo twink is more difficult because of the limited amount of skill points and the variety of builds that cause. Make and play a twink before you bash them. :) Like ur thinking

[Syylent]

I was just trying to state that nobody settles for low lvl pve content in mmo's...they lvl beyond it in a few hours. Nor should they settle for low lvl pvp...big reasons for twinks over the years has been an imbalance at endgame pvp so mains use the wealth and items they have already accumulated to fund an unbeatable twink...to experience something positive from a faulty pvp system.

Another reason would be easy meat in the hordes of true low lvl toons without the backing of the main account...but that has lessened over the years since the "meat" just avoids pvp until endgame now.

True. To an extent. There are imbalances in end game as well.

A twink issomeone who funds their toon from a higher level. There are true low levels that remain that level that do ot receive funds from higher level toons.

Some can level quickly while others do it slowly. I prefer to look and smell the roses instead of smashing through them. Balance should be balance at any level.

[Infrico]

Heres the difference. End game is similar to low level pvp sure. Not exactly the same. More skill points/more skill effects, larger stats, better procs on weapons etc. It's better balanced than twink pvp, because end game is and always will be priority in an expansion based game. Theres a reason gear is more expensive at level cap than in twink levels. More people are buying and selling that gear. More people are using it. You really think devs are going to ignore the majority in favor of a minority of players?

Minority players? I'm sorry but am I the only one who can see the PvP section flooded by threads concerning twinks?

[TourneAsunder]

Minority players? I'm sorry but am I the only one who can see the PvP section flooded by threads concerning twinks?

That is because the crowd that is drawn to twinking also happen to be forum hounds....it is the nature of the beast.

The same forty peeps posting over and over again...is not a majority by any standards.

[Rollo]

Minority players? I'm sorry but am I the only one who can see the PvP section flooded by threads concerning twinks?

Doesn't make you the majority, it just makes you the loudest. The pvp section does not contain the entire community. I'm sure most players don't even bother with the forums in the first place. Not to mention end game is balanced, so its no wonder you don't see multiple threads ranting/complaining about end game pvp.

[hotpimp]

Sir, how many drinks have you had? This post is about l16 pvp not endgame. Jesus.
Nerf l16 warrior gear.

[Cremated]

Level 16 warriors are not OP you are just UP, JOKE :D

[Infrico]

if my 21 rogue can beat a 21-23 demonlord warrior im 100% sure a level 16 rogue can beat a level 16 warrior... I don't think you've figured out the technique used to beat warriors :-/

[Bless]

if my 21 rogue can beat a 21-23 demonlord warrior im 100% sure a level 16 rogue can beat a level 16 warrior... I don't think you've figured out the technique used to beat warriors :-/ fyi, my L23 rogue is a beast, beaten all wars ive faced so its deff not about the technique....things r diff for l16...test it out -_-

[Cremated]

fyi, my L23 rogue is a beast, beaten all wars ive faced so its deff not about the technique....things r diff for l16...test it out -_-

Well.. it is kinda about the technique since i don't think you can beat a warr running in circles lol.

[Edran]

First post here and I am brand new to the game. Just thought I would let you know that I'm currently a lvl 16 warrior and rogues don't even see me as a challenge. Most of my gear is pink(epic?) and I still get killed in just a few seconds by rogues, often I don't even get a hit.

[Bless]

First post here and I am brand new to the game. Just thought I would let you know that I'm currently a lvl 16 warrior and rogues don't even see me as a challenge. Most of my gear is pink(epic?) and I still get killed in just a few seconds by rogues, often I don't even get a hit. pink gear isnt always the best. The rogues u probs fought had best l16 gear whereas you had trash pinks (im assuming)

Well add lilbless

[Infrico]

pink gear isnt always the best. The rogues u probs fought had best l16 gear whereas you had trash pinks (im assuming)

Well add lilbless

You have a level 23 rogue? Why aren't you sticking to the level cap -_-, I would have expected more from you bless lol. Anyways, bump up to 26 and face me and get dominated :).

But yeah... I suggest all the 16s to move up to at least 21, preferably 26 because its high in competition / ego(which lilbless loves)... Gear is super cheap so I don't see why not! :)

I haven't faced anyone thats beaten my 26 yet, but Lilbless has a reputation for breaking that undefeated record from time to time, therefore, bump up :D.

[Bless]

pink gear isnt always the best. The rogues u probs fought had best l16 gear whereas you had trash pinks (im assuming)

Well add lilbless

You have a level 23 rogue? Why aren't you sticking to the level cap -_-, I would have expected more from you bless lol. Anyways, bump up to 26 and face me and get dominated :).

But yeah... I suggest all the 16s to move up to at least 21, preferably 26 because its high in competition / ego(which lilbless loves)... Gear is super cheap so I don't see why not! :)

I haven't faced anyone thats beaten my 26 yet, but Lilbless has a reputation for breaking that undefeated record from time to time, therefore, bump up :D. Im not made of gold you know! Ill try to bump bless tp 26 however the money for gear is the problem...i already spent 100k+ for l23 set..

Ill try

[Y O L O]

If your having trouble then just:
1.Move on
2.Make a warrior and dominate
geez this isnt like some labyrinth you must solve

[hotpimp]

^Lmfao...
I already have 19k kills on my rogue.
If i could have a class surgery, and change from rogue to warrior, i would do it.
I already have alts in most pvp levels.
L16 is the funnest.

[Bless]

^Lmfao...
I already have 19k kills on my rogue.
If i could have a class surgery, and change from rogue to warrior, i would do it.
I already have alts in most pvp levels.
L16 is the funnest.

Not fun anymore with Mvpvp noobs running around teaming me cuz they too *insert word* to 1v1...

Btw ctf, just found out I got spontaneous pneumoththorax :/

[Evocati]

Ya 16 wars are stoopidly op. i mean endless heals damage and invul shield. Cmon balance your game. Or dont nerf counter classes dps in to the ground. I havent played this game since rouge nerf and wont until it gets fixed.