The New Elite Mines of Nordia Dungeon and Premium Content

[Samhayne]

Today we have updated Arcane Legends with some new content, several refinements to existing content and abilities as well as several bug fixes. You can read the patch notes here: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?96105-2013-05-02-Content-Update-(119666)

I wanted to start a discussion about the new Elite Mines of Nordia Premium Boss Fight Dungeon that was included in this update. Spacetime Studios is always working to make our games better. This update, like all of our continuing updates, is testament to that. We strive to include new, free content as well as optional Premium content that users pay for with Platinum.

We work hard to keep Premium content optional. You don't need Premium options to play the game. The new Elite Mines of Nordia is just that. They are the same bosses that you can fight in the Elite Nordr adventure areas. By paying Platinum to use the new Elite Mines of Nordia, you have the convenience of a time saver, in that you don't need to clear the minions to get in and fight the boss. It is a time saver. Usually it comes down to that: time or money. If you have all the time in the world, then you can play to the level cap and acquire the best items without spending anything.

We need to have compelling Premium options to support the game operation and continued development. At the end of the day, those who support the game with Platinum purchases make it so that everyone else can play the game for free. That is how it works. We sincerely appreciate everyone who chooses to spend their leisure time playing Spacetime Studios games!

[jtst]

plat content :moon:

[FluffNStuff]

How much does it cost? I was afraid if I 'checked' it would charge me.

[Rare]

How much does it cost? I was afraid if I 'checked' it would charge me.

LOL. Good one. 10 plat

[Slashiroth]

Costs 10 plat, Sam do you fight all the bosses at once or is there some type of option to say only fight 2 or 3 but have it randomised or something

[Samhayne]

Costs 10 plat, Sam do you fight all the bosses at once or is there some type of option to say only fight 2 or 3 but have it randomised or something

Here is how it works:

You pay the 10 Platinum and can get into the zone for I believe up to 4 hours (via an elixir effect). This elixir effect that lets you will go away after you kill 1 boss. It won't remove you from the zone - you can go on to fight the other 4 bosses.

Each boss is in its own area. You don't fight all 5 at once. You can choose which boss you want to fight. There are no minions and you can run right to each boss pretty easily.

[Deadroth]

I think u should raise "drop chance" at Elite Mines also...

Dear Dev I know it is faster but u can earn more by increase the drop chance a bit in that area:)

Thats a tip. :)
Roth :)

[Lalarie]

Can you go in with a party?

[wvhills]

Well, since u asked for our opinions...

Fluff and Aedenos have already hit on it but I think it's dishonest the way you don't have the price right up front. I was also afraid to click the purchase button because I was afraid i'd get charged for it. There's no confirmation button on the allies so i didn't think there would be one on this.

Furthermore, i think putting in the boss brawl as plat per run is kinda bush league. I have no idea what you guys finance's or revenue streams are but it seems like to me there are plenty of ways to spend plat in game already. When I read threads and hear people talking in game about how many crates they've opened and I see people wearing vanities I know they've paid plat for, and I see people using plat rev after plat rev, etc. it gives me the impression that you guys are doing just fine. Then to see this go in it seems like overkill (I'm trying not to say greedy).

I try not to criticize the ways you make money in AL because I'm just happy you're not relying on thrashers (which ruined PL) but this one negatively affects me. When the plat per run boss brawl started in blacksmoke mountain in PL I found it hard to find a game going in the regular levels because my friends were all spending plats in the plat per run dungeon. I also felt like a second class citizen when I read about the higher drop rates in the plat dungeon. Then when I did get a good drop I couldn't sell it for anything because the item had been farmed like crazy in the plat dungeons.

Anyways, that's my feedback.


Edit: see, you already have a comment requesting increased drop rates in the plat per run dungeon.

[Lady_Pebbles]

I like the fact that yall are finally showing your customers some efficient ways to farm without having to indure the long farming times as everyone else. The only problem I see here though, is that they get a piece of convinience while the rest of us don't lol. As long as the drops & drop rates remain the same as everyone else & there are no achievements attached, then I don't see a problem with this. Basicly giving players the option of farming the Nordr bosses the free way or pay (easy way).

[Spects]

Will we get elite boss kill achievements by killing these bosses in the dungeon?
Would be a nice shortcut...

[wvhills]

I like the fact that yall are finally showing your customers some efficient ways to farm without having to indure the long farming times as everyone else. The only problem I see here though, is that they get a piece of convinience while the rest of us don't lol. As long as the drops & drop rates remain the same as everyone else & there are no achievements attached, then I don't see a problem with this. Basicly giving players the option of farming the Nordr bosses the free way or pay (easy way).



idk how it will be in AL but I know the plat per run boss brawl's in PL (blacksmoke mountain) made it really hard to find a free game going. Right now in AL you don't have many people farming elites and now a % of those will be in the plat per run maps.

[Rare]

I like the fact that yall are finally showing your customers some efficient ways to farm without having to indure the long farming times as everyone else. The only problem I see here though, is that they get a piece of convinience while the rest of us don't lol. As long as the drops & drop rates remain the same as everyone else & there are no achievements attached, then I don't see a problem with this. Basicly giving players the option of farming the Nordr bosses the free way or pay (easy way).



It will be even harder to find good groups to run elite dungeons now.

[Lady_Pebbles]

I know. Thats why its better to go in parties on regular elite maps. I mean the PUGs already suck in this game so either players learn what they're doing or we simply just try to get a party together with friends. Given that not all of us can be on around the same time (we all got lives of course).

I wish we had a "noob-be-gone" feature on the games lol.

Besides... I'd much rather run the maps than to pay for the same stuff. Faster runs or not, its a choice.

EDIT: #disasterwaitingtohappen in case yall didn't catch on to what Im saying. XD

[Samhayne]

Will we get elite boss kill achievements by killing these bosses in the dungeon?
Would be a nice shortcut...

Yes, the Elite Bosses are the same and yes they will give out the Elite Boss Kill Achievements.


idk how it will be in AL but I know the plat per run boss brawl's in PL (blacksmoke mountain) made it really hard to find a free game going. Right now in AL you don't have many people farming elites and now a % of those will be in the plat per run maps.

The pool of players playing Arcane Legends is a good bit larger than Pocket Legends. I'd wager to guess that there will still be a good amount of people playing the free content. Let's wait to see how things play out before we call the sky falling, please?

[Rare]

Yes, the Elite Bosses are the same and yes they will give out the Elite Boss Kill Achievements.



The pool of players playing Arcane Legends is a good bit larger than Pocket Legends. I'd wager to guess that there will still be a good amount of people playing the free content. Let's wait to see how things play out before we call the sky falling, please?

Unfortunately, from a player perspective, there weren't a good amount BEFORE the boss brawl (talking elite content). So I'm not sure how it would be better. Now, I'm sure there are looooots of people WANTING to play. I don't want to drag this out... but. I could totally see a 3 person party not playing because they can't find a 4th. There are a LOT of people wanting to play together. The problem is... there is no matchmaker (game lobby). The party system is hindering. Works well when you can find a party. But when you can't, might as well log out.

But like you said, we'll wait and see, at least about the Mines.

[Pandamoni]

It will be even harder to find good groups to run elite dungeons now.


I have tried to pug elites the past few days and after standing around for 20-30 mins. total I got two runs going. One ended after 15 minutes of everyone leaving on mobs. The next ended when we got to boss and they all left. Each run was me (rogue) with three tanks. It was AWESOME!!! (not).

I can hardly find a pug in the regular maps. Last night a guildie and I stood in a few maps for about 5 mins and tried to run but people would join and leave. We finally got one guy to stay. It's so frustrating.

I was standing in town and some guy was running around yelling, "help? Help? Can anyone help me? Please?" I was kind of spaced out. Finally after about 15 mins he kept sending me party invites so I asked what he needs help with and he couldn't find anyone to complete the crystal cave. So a guildie and I ran all of the Nordr dungeons with him and he was so grateful because he hadn't been able to find anyone to do it with. He was part of a guild, too.

And before you say you need to get a more active/better guild, I was in other guilds before starting Average Joes and I still had a hard time finding groups and would end up puging or asking my old friends from PL to help-- friends I made puging in PL.

[Darko]

Does ot have special drops found no where else (like sl christmas plat levels) if noy than its not worth it... shouk d be new equipment otherwise ur waterind down an economy that is already terrible....pleaee please please make epics worth a damn... they all suck .. have some epics with high dps low health somethonf like that... right now they are only better in dodge and crit

[wvhills]

Yes, the Elite Bosses are the same and yes they will give out the Elite Boss Kill Achievements.



The pool of players playing Arcane Legends is a good bit larger than Pocket Legends. I'd wager to guess that there will still be a good amount of people playing the free content. Let's wait to see how things play out before we call the sky falling, please?

When did I say the sky was falling? U asked for comments and I posted my experience in pl and stated I hope the same doesn't happen in AL. Recently it seems like ur quick to dismiss or ridicule opinions u don't want to hear. That's fine if that's how u want to be but I assumed u really wanted opinions since u asked what we thought.

[Samhayne]

When did I say the sky was falling? U asked for comments and I posted my experience in pl and stated I hope the same doesn't happen in AL. Recently it seems like ur quick to dismiss or ridicule opinions u don't want to hear. That's fine if that's how u want to be but I assumed u really wanted opinions since u asked what we thought.

Hi Wvhills,

I guess I took issue with how your posted asserted, at least from how I read it, that because it happened in Pocket Legends that it was a foregone conclusion that it would happen in Arcane Legends. That still remains to be seen. Let's let it play out and see how the weekend goes. Also, it is worth noting that early on the Premium Elite Mines of Nordia will be the "new hotness" that will likely wear off after it's initial release.

I hope that helps you better understand my perspective.

[Argyros]

I'm just patiently waiting here for a a Pocket Legends announcement, Sam.

[psychoscream]

You cant get arcane weapon or mythic armor without buying locked chests

[Rare]

You cant get arcane weapon or mythic armor without buying locked chests

They come from elite golden warchests also

[Sibayjing]

Yeah but hard to drop! If it is the same drop rate than locked, the best way is to sell your elite golden war. Don't fight pay to win your stuff ;)

The way to drop your arcane/ mythic gears from elite war chest is hardwork

[razerfingers]

thanks for the new content! really appriciate it let me scrounge up some free offers and tell you how it goes :)

[Darko]

Is I t new items or same recycled nord gear?

[eugene9707]

Is I t new items or same recycled nord gear?

its just bosses from all elite nord maps, saves you time to kill the mobs, that's it

[Orpheus272]

Thx Sam for the declaration on new mine:) i know people will still have discussion and arguement about this but above all , great update and option for us:) as long as the in game Nord bosses rebalanced, i think this is great new, so guys, cheer up yea:) chill

[moonway03]

Wow great!
Now go to Dark Legends >:|

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[abrai]

Would it be possible to have only one party mate to buy for the elite dungeon free and let the rest of the party warp to him for free?
Of course, they won't have the 4-hour dungeon elixir, except for the buyer. If the party won't work, the buyer can recruit another party and fight until his elix ran out.
Also, there would be a sign or aura (or sort) to know that this player has elite dungeon access 'cause there would be a possibility that the recruitment (depending on the player who bought the plat) will require a gold free e.g. "Recruiting Elite Mine party for 10k gold"

[Alhuntrazeck]

This is weird, cuz I suggested the same thing in another thread...without the platinum paid, of course. Strange...hmm...

[Orageunas]

PL time. :-/

[Energizeric]

Sam: I think the solution here is to allow players to join Elite games in progress. In PL you could just join a game and even if the party was half way to the boss, you could just run and catch up. Also, if someone left before the boss, you could call your friends to come join you and help you with the boss. In AL you must sit there and wait for players to join, and then if someone leaves in the middle there is nothing you can do to replace them. This should be changed.

Regarding the turnstyle boss dungeons, in PL the results of these were that gear prices dropped quite a bit. I just hope you guys monitor drop rates. If tons of items are dropping, then maybe you'll need to adjust drop rates of elite gear down a bit to make up for the increase in the number of drops. More bosses = more drops, and these turnstyle dungeons don't help to keep elite gear rare.

[bnbmbv]

Please i need someone to help me!
I >mistakely< puchased that elixir.. Only wanted to check if its costs and how much..
Its dosent ask you its just charge when u click on it T_T is there a chance i can get my plat back and
U can take away that elixir? :<<
plz help me i dunnu wut to do!!!

IGN - Atlantix

[Orageunas]

Please i need someone to help me!
I >mistakely< puchased that elixir.. Only wanted to check if its costs and how much..
Its dosent ask you its just charge when u click on it T_T is there a chance i can get my plat back and
U can take away that elixir? :<<
plz help me i dunnu wut to do!!!

IGN - Atlantix
Email to support.

[Valsacar]

How do you mistakenly purchase it, you have to click three times to buy it...

[Wowsome]

If this trend continues, one can imagine where AL is heading next, and I am not really thrilled about it.



Well, since u asked for our opinions...

Fluff and Aedenos have already hit on it but I think it's dishonest the way you don't have the price right up front. I was also afraid to click the purchase button because I was afraid i'd get charged for it. There's no confirmation button on the allies so i didn't think there would be one on this.

Furthermore, i think putting in the boss brawl as plat per run is kinda bush league. I have no idea what you guys finance's or revenue streams are but it seems like to me there are plenty of ways to spend plat in game already. When I read threads and hear people talking in game about how many crates they've opened and I see people wearing vanities I know they've paid plat for, and I see people using plat rev after plat rev, etc. it gives me the impression that you guys are doing just fine. Then to see this go in it seems like overkill (I'm trying not to say greedy).

I try not to criticize the ways you make money in AL because I'm just happy you're not relying on thrashers (which ruined PL) but this one negatively affects me. When the plat per run boss brawl started in blacksmoke mountain in PL I found it hard to find a game going in the regular levels because my friends were all spending plats in the plat per run dungeon. I also felt like a second class citizen when I read about the higher drop rates in the plat dungeon. Then when I did get a good drop I couldn't sell it for anything because the item had been farmed like crazy in the plat dungeons.

Anyways, that's my feedback.


Edit: see, you already have a comment requesting increased drop rates in the plat per run dungeon.



I know. Thats why its better to go in parties on regular elite maps. I mean the PUGs already suck in this game so either players learn what they're doing or we simply just try to get a party together with friends. Given that not all of us can be on around the same time (we all got lives of course).

I wish we had a "noob-be-gone" feature on the games lol.

Besides... I'd much rather run the maps than to pay for the same stuff. Faster runs or not, its a choice.

EDIT: #disasterwaitingtohappen in case yall didn't catch on to what Im saying. XD




Unfortunately, from a player perspective, there weren't a good amount BEFORE the boss brawl (talking elite content). So I'm not sure how it would be better. Now, I'm sure there are looooots of people WANTING to play. I don't want to drag this out... but. I could totally see a 3 person party not playing because they can't find a 4th. There are a LOT of people wanting to play together. The problem is... there is no matchmaker (game lobby). The party system is hindering. Works well when you can find a party. But when you can't, might as well log out.

But like you said, we'll wait and see, at least about the Mines.


I have tried to pug elites the past few days and after standing around for 20-30 mins. total I got two runs going. One ended after 15 minutes of everyone leaving on mobs. The next ended when we got to boss and they all left. Each run was me (rogue) with three tanks. It was AWESOME!!! (not).

I can hardly find a pug in the regular maps. Last night a guildie and I stood in a few maps for about 5 mins and tried to run but people would join and leave. We finally got one guy to stay. It's so frustrating.

I was standing in town and some guy was running around yelling, "help? Help? Can anyone help me? Please?" I was kind of spaced out. Finally after about 15 mins he kept sending me party invites so I asked what he needs help with and he couldn't find anyone to complete the crystal cave. So a guildie and I ran all of the Nordr dungeons with him and he was so grateful because he hadn't been able to find anyone to do it with. He was part of a guild, too.

And before you say you need to get a more active/better guild, I was in other guilds before starting Average Joes and I still had a hard time finding groups and would end up puging or asking my old friends from PL to help-- friends I made puging in PL.


Does ot have special drops found no where else (like sl christmas plat levels) if noy than its not worth it... shouk d be new equipment otherwise ur waterind down an economy that is already terrible....pleaee please please make epics worth a damn... they all suck .. have some epics with high dps low health somethonf like that... right now they are only better in dodge and crit


When did I say the sky was falling? U asked for comments and I posted my experience in pl and stated I hope the same doesn't happen in AL. Recently it seems like ur quick to dismiss or ridicule opinions u don't want to hear. That's fine if that's how u want to be but I assumed u really wanted opinions since u asked what we thought.

I am with you all.

[wvhills]

Sam: I think the solution here is to allow players to join Elite games in progress. In PL you could just join a game and even if the party was half way to the boss, you could just run and catch up. Also, if someone left before the boss, you could call your friends to come join you and help you with the boss. In AL you must sit there and wait for players to join, and then if someone leaves in the middle there is nothing you can do to replace them. This should be changed.

Regarding the turnstyle boss dungeons, in PL the results of these were that gear prices dropped quite a bit. I just hope you guys monitor drop rates. If tons of items are dropping, then maybe you'll need to adjust drop rates of elite gear down a bit to make up for the increase in the number of drops. More bosses = more drops, and these turnstyle dungeons don't help to keep elite gear rare.

yeah, this is exactly the problem the plat per run dungeon caused in PL. They have to lower drop rates. While that may be good for the overall economy, those of us who don't do the plat per runs will have an even smaller chance of getting a good drop.

-1 STS.

[Rare]

then maybe you'll need to adjust drop rates of elite gear down a bit to make up for the increase in the number of drops.

Lets qualify this. Drop in the turnstile dungeon ONLY.

[Uziscata]

its bs! I defeated first boss got dc and have to buy 10 plat again just to rejoin?
thats so unfair. why would you say it last for 4 hours if the first boss takes like 5mins? whats the point in saying it last for 4 hours then.
If at maximum it takes 1hour to kill all bosses u still have 3 hours left? so you pretty much a waste of plat? if u cant reenter the mines after you have completed them, whats the point in saying they last for 4 hours -.- thats just misleading people to think that you can reenter the mines again after completing them once -.-

[Greencrow]

Mr. Sam, please post some pics. I wanna see the dungeon :) ( I can't enter, I've got no plats )

[Rare]

its bs! I defeated first boss got dc and have to buy 10 plat again just to rejoin?
thats so unfair. why would you say it last for 4 hours if the first boss takes like 5mins? whats the point in saying it last for 4 hours then.
If at maximum it takes 1hour to kill all bosses u still have 3 hours left? so you pretty much a waste of plat? if u cant reenter the mines after you have completed them, whats the point in saying they last for 4 hours -.- thats just misleading people to think that you can reenter the mines again after completing them once -.-

Samhayne did mention that you lose the 4 hour window after you kill the first boss. Its not explicitly defined in game anywhere. And I agree, its unfair. They should just make it so you have a counter. Once you kill 5 bosses or 4 hours pass, then you have to repay.