New Nox Bolt

[Zuzeq]

The new and improved Nox Bolt is simply awesome. I have yapped about how Shadow Storm Shot is a must have with any bow build. Today I stand corrected. If you have to choose between the two skills, Nox is the clear choice. Nox does more single target AND AoE DmG than SSS now with double the amount of targets being affected by poison. Please note that Nox also take less mana to perform and has a shorter cool down time.

[Asahetek]

Has it really improved that much, and as for making a choice between noxious and shadow why not just use both of them.

My current build has noxious bolt, shadow storm assault, and aimed shot

[~ARI~]

Does the new nox hit more targets when it's uncharged too? o_O

[Dlanor]

The new nox is way better than before. The old upgrade only let you hit a few at a time. The new version is pretty much a poison shadow storm shot. If I hadto choose between the two I'd go Nox because it uses less mana, cools down twice as fast, and has dot. So awesome to see a sea of green

[JaytB]

Personally, I think Nox is overrated.

You need to charge it in order for it to cause AoE Dmg. I'd prefer to hit 3 skills, or 2 skills and auto attack, as compared to charging 1 skill for mediocre AoE Dmg.

Don't get me wrong, I think Nox is a great skill for boss kills but when purely looking at quick AoE Dmg, nox isn't all that great due to the fact that you need to charge it.

At least that's my opinion about it :)

[Deadroth]

My opinion is that NOX rules.. Uff thank God i picked it as fourth skill :) Now i will deal quick AOE DMG to this stpid mobs XD

[Zuzeq]

Personally, I think Nox is overrated.

You need to charge it in order for it to cause AoE Dmg. I'd prefer to hit 3 skills, or 2 skills and auto attack, as compared to charging 1 skill for mediocre AoE Dmg.

Don't get me wrong, I think Nox is a great skill for boss kills but when purely looking at quick AoE Dmg, nox isn't all that great due to the fact that you need to charge it.

At least that's my opinion about it :)


Jay, you know I love you right? If dealing 45-55 DmG times 6(add 3 sec upgrade) to 6 mob members (thats 330 DmG each) is mediocre then we need to PM about what you're doin so I can copy it. With 290+ DmG I do 330 with a uncharged Nox (no crit). So if I can do that to 6 people all at once its worth charging all day(twice on Sundays).

[Azepeiete]

Most mobs will die before the poison is out, but if you like it over a passive, and charging is ok with you, go for it, I just don't prefer to have to charge when the mobs die so fast anyways.

[Metztli]

Mobs don't die quick in Elites...

Most mobs will die before the poison is out, but if you like it over a passive, and charging is ok with you, go for it, I just don't prefer to have to charge when the mobs die so fast anyways.

[Deadroth]

Mobs don't die quick in Elites...

Agree.

P.S. Nox makes i can torment the ugly Elite Kluktus XD I love watchin when it dieees XD

[FluffNStuff]

Jay, you know I love you right? If dealing 45-55 DmG times 6(add 3 sec upgrade) to 6 mob members (thats 330 DmG each) is mediocre then we need to PM about what you're doin so I can copy it. With 290+ DmG I do 330 with a uncharged Nox (no crit). So if I can do that to 6 people all at once its worth charging all day(twice on Sundays).

It is just the poison that is AOE, not the impact damage, right? Also, if you skip the charge and the to 6, can you at least get 3 with an uncharged? Why is there an option to upgrade "area AND number of targets"?

[Zuzeq]

It is just the poison that is AOE, not the impact damage, right? Also, if you skip the charge and the to 6, can you at least get 3 with an uncharged? Why is there an option to upgrade "area AND number of targets"?

Correct, the poison is what causes the AoE DmG. That poison DmG does as much DmG as a uncharged impact hit to six target over time though. Correct, a uncharged hit can poison 3 targets. Well why don't you just let two uncharged Bolts go? you can hit six anyway *one might ask* Well what about boss rushing Oltar for example, there could be more thatn six targets. Saying that one should just take the time to charge and poison 12 targets(thats if you circle mob while bowin). If poison last 6 seconds and it takes 2 seconds to cool, 2 seconds to charge and 1 second to tap AS to keep crit going..you can keep the mob on perma poison. I don't even want to do the math on how much DoT that is. To put it simply you will be wreckin sh*t without your name being Ralph...lol...they with call you The Green Plague...lol

[FluffNStuff]

Correct, the poison is what causes the AoE DmG. That poison DmG does as much DmG as a uncharged impact hit to six target over time though. Correct, a uncharged hit can poison 3 targets. Well why don't you just let two uncharged Bolts go? you can hit six anyway *one might ask* Well what about boss rushing Oltar for example, there could be more thatn six targets. Saying that one should just take the time to charge and poison 12 targets(thats if you circle mob while bowin). If poison last 6 seconds and it takes 2 seconds to cool, 2 seconds to charge and 1 second to tap AS to keep crit going..you can keep the mob on perma poison. I don't even want to do the math on how much DoT that is. To put it simply you will be wreckin sh*t without your name being Ralph...lol...they with call you The Green Plague...lol

I will do some runs tonight replacing razor shield for now, won't charge though since I did a quick check on it (bad ping so can't do much) and it stacks. I always need to get my Aim out, and and to keep it stacked at full need it to be a quick tap which then gives the third "tap" to an auto or a smoke/trap. Is the 'area of effect' upgrade worth it?

[Zuzeq]

I would say its worth it. Of course if your other skills are where you want them.

[Excuses]

Just respec again just because new bosses are too hard. If I get close and use razor and dps, I have high death chance with getting aggro because it's hard to run away from their red attack right in front of them. So tried Nox + AS + Veil, and it works much better on boss.

For aoe, razor + trap + as + dps was very good.
And I found trap's DOT is sooo great. Hits about 30-40 to all mobs in it like timeshift does. (Better than nox's. It is worthy of one point)

But for boss, it's too hard and risky to use piercer and razor.. imagine razor on alpha wolf and piercer on frostbite or when a boss is charging it's attack..

So I think if you are not going to elite but w4 for leveling, razor is good. But because nox can be used for any situation, nox is better.

[Zuzeq]

Just respec again just because new bosses are too hard. If I get close and use razor and dps, I have high death chance with getting aggro because it's hard to run away from their red attack right in front of them. So tried Nox + AS + Veil, and it works much better on boss.

For aoe, razor + trap + as + dps was very good.
And I found trap's DOT is sooo great. Hits about 30-40 to all mobs in it like timeshift does. (Better than nox's. It is worthy of one point)

But for boss, it's too hard and risky to use piercer and razor.. imagine razor on alpha wolf and piercer on frostbite or when a boss is charging it's attack..

So I think if you are not going to elite but w4 for leveling, razor is good. But because nox can be used for any situation, nox is better.

Side Note: Shadow Pierce can be useful against bosses. Example Foster is squaring you up with that coned rush attack, you can charge SP and go right through he putting you behind him and in the clear. Also works on boss in the Woods and Hall (when he starts pulling you in)

[FluffNStuff]

Ok, here is my issue with the impact damage on nox. It hits 370-470 so average 420. My bow has a damage of 276 so that is a 150 difference. Thing is armor is percentage reduction and usually around 50% or more on bosses so that makes a net difference of 75 damage. Since nox takes up a place in my rotation it is costing me 83 mana for 75 single target damage. Since charging really throws off my rotation and without that you can't seem to even poison a second mob that is practically hugging your target it is not for me.

[Zuzeq]

Well snap Fluff, bad luck. My poison seems to work perfect. I always see a sea of red number floating heavenly above mobs I encounter due to Nox. Seems like it isn't working for you. Trust me and I only get to say this cause I play with you.. you don't really need it...lol. You do just fine with build you have (;

[JaytB]

Well snap Fluff, bad luck. My poison seems to work perfect. I always see a sea of red number floating heavenly above mobs I encounter due to Nox. Seems like it isn't working for you. Trust me and I only get to say this cause I play with you.. you don't really need it...lol. You do just fine with build you have (;

I tested some more with uncharged Nox and in my case it's also only hitting 1 target. It only damages multiple targets when charged. I'm trying to fit charging Nox into my skill rotation but it also makes me feel 'out of balance' with my current rotation. Every moment I'm charging Nox while seeing my other skills coming out of cooldown I feel like I'm wasting a high Dmg skill for mediocre (yes, I said it again :p) poison Dmg.

I have to be honest though and admit that, when crunching the numbers, charging nox and damaging 6 enemies for 6 seconds might be worth it, if you have Nox as a skill already.

[Zanpakuto]

I shoot u need to charge it? My choice is between nox or piercer, i think I'll stick with piecer!

[Zuzeq]

Lmao@"yes I said it again". Right on Jay. Side note: try charging only as your initial attack then fall back into your normal rotation. To others, I don't suggest charging anything on boss fights (unless you're a Veil user)

[JaytB]

Lmao@"yes I said it again". Right on Jay. Side note: try charging only as your initial attack then fall back into your normal rotation. To others, I don't suggest charging anything on boss fights (unless you're a Veil user)

I'm currently only charging Nox when I know my other skills will still be on cooldown while holding the skill button. Skills I currently use are AS, Nox, SSS, Veil. I do change all the time though.

I agree with not charging skills during boss fights. That's also where SSS comes in instead of trap, it's both a usefull skill in boss fights (range) as for mob killing. If you're a trap user, I'd suggest to always charge trap though because a charged trap stays about 3 seconds longer as compared to an uncharged one.

[FluffNStuff]

The problem when talking 'other' skills is Aim can crit for over 3K. That makes firing it not optional so you only have two seconds for everything else in between. I can get in two autos so that is '550' listed damage. I can also drop a trap or two if it 'respawns' or charge smoke. Razor does 150 listed for 8 seconds to all enemies, which is way more then one poison but has a 20 second cool down. I thought that was an issue but the simple fact is I can only use so many 'other' skills between Aims. Oh, and for Gawds sake, 3K!

[wawawa64]

question about the "Fragmentation" upgrade on Nox; it states "Each second a target is damaged by Noxious Bolt's poison, they receive an additional 10% damage".

Does this mean the target itself will receive 10% additional damage from any attack? Or does it mean the poison damage itself get an 10% boost? It it's the latter case, is it worth to get this upgrade because 10% of the poison damage seems low.

If it's the former case, does this 10% additional damage stack? Meaning will it go up to 20%, 30% and so on? (probably not, but just asking).

sorry for so many question;I want to respec to a bow rogue, and I only spent a few hours on Nox during the free respec week, so don't really know much about it.

It would seems like Nox with the range upgrade would pair well with another AOE skill like SSS if there is 10% addition damage.

[Dlanor]

Im pretty sure its 10% more poison damage and im pretty sure it doesn't stack even though that would be awesome.. Also an uncharged nox only hits 1 guy and if it were to hit 3 or even 2 uncharged that would be amazing but the upgrade it got is great...

[Zuzeq]

Yup, bringing this old topic back up. It was a questioned if charging Nox messes up a speed skill rotation. After battling for the top spot in the recent timed run event I have to say bringing down elite mobs in the fastest way possible requires the charging on Nox Bolt.

[SkullCrusher]

So if you guys had to pick which skill is better for AOE damage which is better...Nox or Razor?

[Zuzeq]

So if you guys had to pick which skill is better for AOE damage which is better...Nox or Razor?

Nox w/o a question...

[JaytB]

I know this is kind of a light Necro, but with the free respecs I decided to give Nox another go. I tested it extensively in timed runs and... boy does it rock lol.

Just wanted to post my official apologies towards Zuzeq because I wasn't an instant believer :D

[Zuzeq]

I know this is kind of a light Necro, but with the free respecs I decided to give Nox another go. I tested it extensively in timed runs and... boy does it rock lol.

Just wanted to post my official apologies towards Zuzeq because I wasn't an instant believer :D


lol, no worries Jay. Your knowledge is always welcome (:

[Alrisaia]

Make me a believer zuzeq. I just respecced and add nox 3/5.

Sacrificed passives for it. I plan to use it primarily for bosses but if someone can convince me it's better than RS... who knows I may decide to run with it.

[Zuzeq]

Make me a believer zuzeq. I just respecced and add nox 3/5.

Sacrificed passives for it. I plan to use it primarily for bosses but if someone can convince me it's better than RS... who knows I may decide to run with it.


If you read back, I stated that Nox is simply the best Assassin skill for AoE damage. Very useful for mobs of any kind and awesome for bosses when paired with AS.

[keikali]

Make me a believer zuzeq. I just respecced and add nox 3/5.

Sacrificed passives for it. I plan to use it primarily for bosses but if someone can convince me it's better than RS... who knows I may decide to run with it.

You won't regret it. At low levels I thought it was meh, but at high lvl endgame dungeons, you'd be surprise how much the Nox damage does. I'm running 5/5 Nox and its fun when you bring ribbit and CRIT that AoE damage. Watch them fly.


If you read back, I stated that Nox is simply the best Assassin skill for AoE damage. Very useful for mobs of any kind and awesome for bosses when paired with AS.

Thanks Zu for the help on my build too!

[Alrisaia]

You won't regret it. At low levels I thought it was meh, but at high lvl endgame dungeons, you'd be surprise how much the Nox damage does. I'm running 5/5 Nox and its fun when you bring ribbit and CRIT that AoE damage. Watch them fly.

I am still experimenting with it... Still not convinced it's right for me.

[Zuzeq]

I am still experimenting with it... Still not convinced it's right for me.

It could be an uncomfortable addition to your rotation due to the fact you're a dagger Rogue. I can see how it may feel slightly funny.

[GoodSyntax]

I simply love Nox when I'm farming for Flap Jack in normal Rooks Nest. Simply fire off a charged Nox, and continue. The damage over time kills 3-5 mobs, so essentially it's a fire-and-forget skill. Makes for incredibly fast Rooks Nest runs - I rarely stop or even slow down!

I also find Nox great for Elite Seas and pretty much any map where you can get mobs grouped tightly. Having a tank to pull and gather mobs, a Sorc to drop clocks, a Rogue with Traps and Nox all combine for quick elite sea runs. If I am confident with my tank, I can go with my Max DMG build and the DoT on Nox is actually quite impressive (note that I have maxed out Nox, the extra upgrades are worthwhile).

Even in Dagger Build (Mountain Teeth), the AoE DMG of charged blades plus the occasional Proc from the Teeth combine for absurd damage when everything starts Critting. Because of all these things in combination, I can solo Elite Jarl in just over 2 minutes with my lv30 Rogue.

Don't forget Nox in the PvP arena as well. I get a lot of kills from the DoT. Especially good for those who hide behind tanks when they are low on HP, or try to fleet. Not only does the charged Nox deal damage to the entire group, but the initial strike does a lot of single target damage as well.

I am a believer! (wasn't always)

[Killerheels]

I LOVE Nox for both Pve and Pvp. Makes me feel like a sorc with all that red ;)

[Zuzeq]

I LOVE Nox for both Pve and Pvp. Makes me feel like a sorc with all that red ;)

Yeah that^, when you get at least two Assassins stacking charged Bolts...a sea of red number...its...its...so lovely...lol

[Alrisaia]

So far - for PVP, I can see how this skill would be extremely valuable...

I'm liking Nox for bosses in PVE and I'm getting better at switching out trap for nox when I get to the boss, but I'm still liking the razor shield AOE DOT better for mob clearing. I get 8 ticks of 118+ dmg per tick most of which ends up being crit dmg for upwards to 200 and I'm not limited on the number of mobs it affects and although it has a 20 second cool down I get the benefit of a +20 dodge during it's 8 seconds of sheer mob shredding bloody terror.

Thus - I have concluded through the runs I've done with nox that it's just not worth swapping out RS if you're a dagger / trap rogue, that being said - if I used a bow exclusively - I would be all over this skill.

Regards,

[Uzii]

im using nox since i start playing (lvl 16 cap) i dont remember if there was time i didnt use it.

[wvhills]

If u use veil, traps, nox and aimed then u can charged nox everytime without messing up ur rotation. Veil and trap have such long cooldowns u can set them off, tap aim, charge nox and let it go before aim is off cooldown.

[FluffNStuff]

Wish I did not miss the respec weekend (pledging my troth) but I still can't stand the charge (that two seconds between Aims is also for pots, and trying to charge kills me). Did switch to the shock bolt because of the AOE on non charged and it has a much better cool down then razor, so the over all damage is much higher. Now if I could just get out from under the mountain of work left over I could do some farming.

[Zuzeq]

If u use veil, traps, nox and aimed then u can charged nox everytime without messing up ur rotation. Veil and trap have such long cooldowns u can set them off, tap aim, charge nox and let it go before aim is off cooldown.

Havent used Trap since lvl21 cap, but I see how that would work out beastly. Would love to try it, but I can't let go of SP.