Stop the insanity

[Teuzha]

Does anyone else realize how badly we are screwing ourselves. I just saw an auction for warrior mythic armor priced at 20,000,000. Now I realize I will never be able to obtain this item and have excepted this. However lets do some simple math, 500 plat will get you 500,000 gold. 500,000 goes into 20,000,000 40 times. 500x40 is 20,000 plat. This weekend 1700 plat is going for $54.99, 20,000/1700 equals about 12. $54.99x12=$659.88. Does anyone else see the absurdity in this? You can buy an Xbox with multiple games for this, a brand new iPad or laptop, hell a used car. Why on earth are we charging each other $700 for a piece of armor in a game, which really is a bunch of pixels, 0's and 1's people. Things in auction should be much cheaper, hundreds and thousands, not millions. This only screws are selves and makes STS richer. Stop the insanity, cut the prices.

[gundamsone]

yea but what about the people that own all those and some more?

this game doesn't require you to have mythics or even elite pinks to play and have fun.
if you find yourself depressed over these expensive gears then I think it's time for you to either take a break or study hard and get a job b/c "659.88" is nothing compared to how long it takes to earn 20m gold from farming/merching

[Teuzha]

Not my point. I am casual player with a family, a steady job and a life. I can't and wont spend my whole damn day farming. Or rationalize to my wife why I couldn't pay the mortgage because I blew half of it on a video game.

[gundamsone]

I agree, but b/c of these players the game is able to run nice and smooth and we get frequent updates.

[chitgoks]

if you havent bought these things, good. at least you're not tempted.

for those who do buy those things at those kind of prices, that's their problem, right? we cant fault them. some of them are probably rich in real life

[Jcyee]

It's not really insane. The items are super rare and people get themselves caught up in the game to the point that they're spending hundreds (maybe even thousands) of dollars to get top notch gear. For some people, this game is pretty important; for others not so much.

If you were to loot a mythic or arcane item after spending hundreds of dollars to get it, would you only sell it for anything less than 1,000,000? People want a nice return from all the money they spent in the form of AL gold.

However, like gundamsone said, the game is easily playable without opening hundreds of thousands of locked crates. You don't need the very best gear to be successful in this game.

[Bullox]

In my Opinion the character of a MMO is to lvl your char and try to get the best Gear for it.
Because of the super low Droprates and all the Mythic/Arcane Stuff, STS create a 1% Game or nearly pay to win.

1% of all players or less have enough money/gold to pay such ridicolous prices for these items, but what's with the Rest of the players?

Lets take the Mythic Gun for Sorcs...46,2 dmg + to the best Sorc legendary Staff ingame (over 50dmg+ to the best gun)...lol..... i don't wanna meet someone with this Gun in PvP...

All free MMOs and there were good ones, which use pay to win, are dead or gonna die...

I'm a Plat buyer too ( about 4,2k Plat till now..), but i think, it's getting hopeless to have nearly the best Equip ingame.

I know, that things can also drop in Elite Warchests, but how high is the Chance? 0,00001%?

I really don't like the way, which the Game takes!!!!!!!

If im not a Guild Master, i surely quitted the Game, no rage quit! That would be a logic quit.

I for me, always wanna have the best ingame Items, but now it's nearly impossible to get that.

I did a lot of Mount Runs (140+ or more? Don't know) for farming Nordr Staff.... In all these runs i see it dropping 1 times (not for me). Now i bought it for over 500k...lol.....

How long would i need to farm Mythic Gun? 6000 runs? Oh mom.........yeah....i only need a little bit luck.......hmm i opened some locked.....oh, my luck is in holiday, i think....

My wife told me, that i'm a Hardcore Gamer....but in this Game it is getting to heavy for me, to get the best Items......i give up.....

I'm sorry about that, because i really like this Game, i'm still thinking this Game have big Potencial.......

[Nitamana]

I did a lot of Mount Runs (140+ or more? Don't know) for farming Nordr Staff.... In all these runs i see it dropping 1 times (not for me). Now i bought it for over 500k...lol.....



All those runs with loot reroll? Without it you should not try a legend drop. Just in my experience.

[Uzii]

yea but what about the people that own all those and some more?

this game doesn't require you to have mythics or even elite pinks to play and have fun.
if you find yourself depressed over these expensive gears then I think it's time for you to either take a break or study hard and get a job b/c "659.88" is nothing compared to how long it takes to earn 20m gold from farming/merching

yes u dont really need mythic or elite pinks. but u farm and sell (if u have somthing to sell) and play this game to get the best possible gear for u.
the prices in cs right now for some of the items r ridiculous i think. and as u said it takes a lot of time to get such amount of gold.
lol yes "659.88" is compared to that nothing but its someones month salary too. i cant imagine to blow it on an armor that will be worthless in couple of months. but sure thers some players that for them its really nothing, and for them r only those items bc only they can afford to buy it. so other 95% of players will never get them. however if the prices would be a bit lower more players could enjoy them. thats my opinion.
now r those items only cumulating in hands of a few that r trying to sell it for ridiculosly high price. so i dont really am affraid abt those ppl that own those items, they r rich and always will be. im more worried abt those other 95%.

[Jed]

Comparing platinum to gold doesn't really show that much. Sure, if you rely on buying platinum to get gold, go ahead, but it is far easier to get gold than platinum for most people. Many of the rich people have bought plat, but probably haven't converted it into gold. Paying $55 for 1.7m gold is too much anyway.
Sure, getting a million or 20m gold is difficult, but all the rich people haven't used hundreds of real dollars to directly buy their gold.
What gets all this gold is dedication. Some money, but mostly dedication.
You can play all you want without mythics or arcanes and be successful. If you expect to get the absolute top gear with little effort, you're wrong. I'll probably never get an Arcane, but I'm fine with that and so are many others.

[Teuzha]

Time, patience, blah blah. I have played since the launch of AL. Don't think I'm some noob complaining. I have played PL and SL also. I am well aware of gold and plat. And STS practices. My point is that STS doesn't set prices, we do. So who is responsible for everything costing so much, we are. I am not afraid of grinding for xp and gold. But it all comes down to chance of what you get from a locked crate. So all the grinding means nothing, you can't earn anything, so what does hard work get you......nothing. Roll some dice on a crate. Hahahahahaha

[Pandamoni]

I agree that it is insane, but if people choose to spend their fun money in such a manner, who am I to tell them they're wrong. I don't think it's a good return on investment, but some people apparently do.

I told my husband this morning how much some people spend on this game and he looked at me and said, "you haven't dumped 1,000's into it, have you?!". Haha. I told him I've only spent $500 (jokingly) and he almost choked. Hehe. While you and I can't imagine taking away from our families by spending so much here, others have more money to throw away. I do worry, though, that some can't afford it but are drawn in to the gambling aspect. Gambling is a true addiction for some and I imagine that there are people blowing money they don't have for the hope of one arcane or mythic item.

[Zuzeq]

Ill put a foot in both sides. Prices are redic, I just got lucky. On the other hand, if you don't want to pay...just wait. "The best" is only the best for what? 3-4months max?

[Chaim Nail]

Gambling is a true addiction for some and I imagine that there are people blowing money they don't have for the hope of one arcane or mythic item.

This raises an interesting topic, are online games that have in-game currency which can be bought with real money exempt from gambling laws? Even when it's possible to spend thousands of dollars on the in-game currency? Because casinos, betting shops etc. are under some pretty rigorous laws in regards to payouts etc. Plus you can buy plat with PayPal, a company that prohibits its use for gambling.

[Sibayjing]

Totally agree! Even If Sts need to make some profit, AL is less interesting with crate system. When I play a game, I like to hunt for the top gears but I realize that I can't compete with plat users. It is no longer playing to win but nearest to pay to win

I know some people who have convert many plat to gold. for example, know somone who have 16-18 millions just in converting plat, imagine the amount. He just said to me, i want this mithyc armor for rogue so I can pay it and be easily.

[Uzii]

This raises an interesting topic, are online games that have in-game currency which can be bought with real money exempt from gambling laws? Even when it's possible to spend thousands of dollars on the in-game currency? Because casinos, betting shops etc. are under some pretty rigorous laws in regards to payouts etc. Plus you can buy plat with PayPal, a company that prohibits its use for gambling.

I dont know if gambling is the right word bc gambling its not allowed for underaged ppl *light sarkazm*

[Redtank]

The thing is don't try to make it drop for you, just play the game and have fun and maybe just maybe it will drop for you.

I see your guys point of view though, I wouldn't be happy if I spent that much money and still had no chance of getting to drop

Hope this helped

[xcainnblecterx]

This why I miss per release, the best gear was going for 50-100k and I thought sts was going try keep the al economy like their sl one(IMO SL and DL have the best economy systems). Then crates and a gold cap raise to 99mil completely blew that out the water. Now every one wants to reach 99mil in a day. Quick fix is cap it at 1mil, yea people will complain that it needs to be higher and blah blah but it could work as some people wouldn't want to do trades over the cap limit. In pl there was a 3rd party system to sell dragon sets/pieces for over 9.9 mil(the cap limit there) so some would do that. I just know that even at merching, by the time I get enough for a mythic piece it'll be next cap already

[gundamsone]

Your statement is nothing but ur love for sts. I don't want to suit em, I like this game and I don't open crates, but the similarity with casino is obvious. Does anyone force people to gamble in casino? No. It's a choice, if you win you win.. You see, right? And counter sue wouldn't help much as you can voice your discontent in defense of children from gambling (works everytime.. and game is 13+).

Life is a gamble. You need to make choices even at a very young age.
You blame the company when under age kids loot crates and don't get what they want? or should you blame the parents who give them their credit cards to make these purchases.

I seriously don't get the point of these threads. It's not the first time we've seen it and certainly there will be more in the future.
And just want to get this across, I don't LOVE STS, nor do I support them as much as most players here do, so i'm just speaking from a neutral perspective.

@ tramtamtam
What do you propose then if they remove the crate system.
I do not see people elixiring enough to fund this game and future development unless they make elixirs give 4x the bonus (which will create rants again).
And a subscription based system was mostly rejected when it was proposed a few times by players.

I own a business myself, and ofc I want to satisfy the customer in every way I can but it has to be reasonable enough so at the end of the day, I have enough money to support my own life.
I think what STS did for this game is brilliant, and better than any idea they've had in any of the other Legends titles.

[psychoscream]

Well guys ....,

1- you can pay 200 $ and open creats there is a big chance to get mythic or 2
2- no one forces you to buy mythic, you can buy noble armor the stats difference isn't that big
3- I am supporting STS with all my heart because they made a great creative one of a kind game
That will last for a long time
4-
are u going to suit STS because someone puts a mythic armor for 20m ?

5- mythic armor is now 15m you can buy it for 10 at AL traders market

[gundamsone]

Well guys ....,

1- you can pay 200 $ and open creats there is a big chance to get mythic or 2
2- no one forces you to buy mythic, you can buy noble armor the stats difference isn't that big
3- I am supporting STS with all my heart because they made a great creative one of a kind game
That will last for a long time
4-
are u going to suit STS because someone puts a mythic armor for 20m ?

5- mythic armor is now 15m you can buy it for 10 at AL traders market

6- merch like me and other players and get everything free with a little more hard work

[psychoscream]

6- merch like me and other players and get everything free with a little more hard work

THanks i have been farming today and i have already gained 110k and i have one of the best warrior`s gear`s and i have never
bought plat

[Rare]

One thing people are doing is using the plat to gold exchange rate as a measuring stick for an items real dollar value. That is wrong. The economy has far outgrown the sts exchange. If anyone is buying gold with plat to purchase one of these items, they are either very wealthy...or dumb.

In the words of a good friend of mine. At least that's my opinion on it. :D

[psychoscream]

One thing people are doing is using the plat to gold exchange rate as a measuring stick for an items real dollar value. That is wrong. The economy has far outgrown the sts exchange. If anyone is buying gold with plat to purchase one of these items, they are either very wealthy...or dumb.

In the words of a good friend of mine. At least that's my opinion on it. :D
well i agree with ur freind`s words lol

[eugene9707]

Does anyone else realize how badly we are screwing ourselves. I just saw an auction for warrior mythic armor priced at 20,000,000. Now I realize I will never be able to obtain this item and have excepted this. However lets do some simple math, 500 plat will get you 500,000 gold. 500,000 goes into 20,000,000 40 times. 500x40 is 20,000 plat. This weekend 1700 plat is going for $54.99, 20,000/1700 equals about 12. $54.99x12=$659.88. Does anyone else see the absurdity in this? You can buy an Xbox with multiple games for this, a brand new iPad or laptop, hell a used car. Why on earth are we charging each other $700 for a piece of armor in a game, which really is a bunch of pixels, 0's and 1's people. Things in auction should be much cheaper, hundreds and thousands, not millions. This only screws are selves and makes STS richer. Stop the insanity, cut the prices.

Blame the people who buys plat to convert to gold in the first place, because of them, lots of gold are added in the game, and once there's more money in game, the items can be more and more expensive, and once items more expensive, they buy plat for gold again to get what they want, it'll just get worst.

If it wasn't for them, most items wont be that expensive cuz it'll be hard to have 1m from dailies, liquidating items, and selling items (cheep cuz others cant afford)

even the mythics and arcanes wont be that expensive, cuz not much people will have enough money for a 1m item without plat

for more: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?96456-Revelation-Why-are-in-game-items-so-expensive! (By Apollo)

[Rare]

well i agree with ur freind`s words lol

You're saying you don't agree the economy has outgrown the exchange?

[Y O L O]

yea but what about the people that own all those and some more?

this game doesn't require you to have mythics or even elite pinks to play and have fun.
if you find yourself depressed over these expensive gears then I think it's time for you to either take a break or study hard and get a job b/c "659.88" is nothing compared to how long it takes to earn 20m gold from farming/merching
Someppl have families and dont have the time to farm or merch

[falmear]

You can only get these items through merching. Because if you made 100k a day farming (achievable without plat). Then thats only 3 million gold in a month. Its still not enough to buy some of these items. Also these items prices are being kept artificially high by a few. So the end game is merching. Its not farming or elite. If you use a lot of plat I guess you can make more by farming. But to purchase something for 10 mill you need to make over 300k a day. And given the current economy and drop rates, in my opinion its impossible through farming alone with or without plat. Even if you are opening tons of crates and using luck elixirs. Maybe now with the plat mines you can increase your earning potential. But as I previously stated, the end game is merching and once you reach a certain level, thats all that there is left to do.

[gundamsone]

Someppl have families and dont have the time to farm or merch
So someone who plays 12 hours a day or invests 100's of dollars should end up with the same stuff as someone who "have families and dont have time to farm or merch"
I applaud you for your argument #sarcasm

[Lady_Pebbles]

Yep, I agree 100% with the OP. The casual aspect of the game started going down the drain when they changed the gold cap to the ridculous amount it is now. Smh.

[gundamsone]

Yep, I agree 100% with the OP. The casual aspect of the game started going down the drain when they changed the gold cap to the ridculous amount it is now. Smh.


I think it's b/c some items had a street value well over the gold cap and to prevent "scamming" aka multiple trades so the only logical thing to do was to up the gold cap.

But really the forums only represents a small minority of the players that play this game. In game I hardly see these type of rants and frustrations but whenever I come on forums, I'd see all sorts of unhappy players venting their frustrations I guess.

[Energizeric]

Guys, sorry to say that many of your are jealous whiners. I'm an adult, I own my own business, I pay the rent (home and office), car payment, etc. And in AL once every couple of months I buy a 1700 plat pack. I just bought my third this weekend (since the game started last Fall).

For the first time this weekend I opened locked crates. I opened 50 of them, and got a bunch of worthless pinks. I've never used plat to purchase gold. Yet I have a mythic helm and now this weekend I spent most of my gold (8 million) to buy a mythic gun. I got my gold by playing the game, not by purchasing it with plat, not by scamming people, etc. I play the game, save my money, and buy the items I want.

Just play and stop with all the BS. One would wonder how you manage to enjoy your every day life. If someone having a better video game weapon than you do bothers you so much, how do you feel when you drive down the street and someone else drives a better car, or has a bigger house, or has nicer clothes?

Sorry, but this game is very much like real life. If as someone suggested, they were to limit the game to 1m total gold, then most of the regulars who support this game would become very bored after a month or two and would move onto other games. Someone else mentioned the best economy in this game is in Star Legends? If that is the case, then why do you play AL? Shouldn't you be playing SL? I will tell you why.....because SL hasn't had an update in how long? That's because everyone was bored with that game and left.

AL is STS's most successful game by far. The reason for this success is the economy, nothing else. The revenue a game brings in is proportional to how many updates and new items you get on a regular basis. If there is no reason for rich players to spend thousands of plat, then the game dies. That is the reality. If you don't like that reality, then you should find a game that's not "free to play" and has a monthly fee like WOW. But even in those games you will have players like Love and myself who are merchants and become "rich" by playing the game and not by spending plat. So even in WOW you are going to have those insanely expensive items and those few rich players that can afford them. You just won't have newbies come in and buy their way to being rich, which is what you sometimes have in AL.

BTW, there shouldn't be any "gold cap" at all anymore than there should be a limit on how many kills you can get, or how many flags you can run, etc. There should be no limits on success. Once you place those limits, people will leave the game once they achieve those limits as they will be bored.

[Zuzeq]

That's just it ppl. AL is no longer for the casual player. It is no longer a "mobile" game a average person can pop on for a few and be successful. Once you accept that you can 1. Quit or grind like no other for what you want. Me? Being a military man, don't have have loads of time to farm( too busy saving life's and kickin a**...lol). So, I open my wallet from time to time to keep up with the "jones". Ill repeat, grind for hours a day, buy gold or spam crates. Personal, I rather stack gold and by exactly what I want rather than gamble on crates. To end, don't buy crates...yeah said it. Let the "high rollers" buy em. Stack you're gold and buy the items themselves. Take the control back, if sellers had "All" the power you wouldn't see so much undercuts on the market.

[Lady_Pebbles]

@Energizeric: Smh. Refrain from calling ppl jealous just because you spend money and they -choose- not to. If anything, we represent the aspect of the game that is supposed to be casual when its not, not relying on plat when it is, and not focusing on wheeling in money vs making it entirely more difficult for the f2p casual users to play. This really has nothing to do with "omgzorz y joo get all the good stuff n we dont?!?" no. Its more about wanting them to stick to their word and making the game fun again for those of us who simply choose not to pay hella money to play a game we hardly have time to spend on (or in my case, don't choose to spend that much anymore period). One example of this are the elixirs, which 9 times out of 10 don't last long enough between finding a party or a PuG with players what won't leave half way into the runs... and actually reaching the boss before it expires (which often than not, they expire way before reaching the boss or right before he dies). Especially luck elixir, which doesn't even roll at all sometimes.

If they really wanted this game to be -completely- p2p they would have given a subscription option upon release. Hence why players like us (who come on here and complain) are the ones they listen to. Problem is, they don't really -hear- us. For example, we've asked for items of hella rare type to be dropped and instead they make us pay for a mere -chance- at getting them rather than farming for them.

This is all much more than some silly jealously act so don't insult your fellow peer players by saying that.

[Zeus]

Comparing platinum to gold doesn't really show that much. Sure, if you rely on buying platinum to get gold, go ahead, but it is far easier to get gold than platinum for most people. Many of the rich people have bought plat, but probably haven't converted it into gold. Paying $55 for 1.7m gold is too much anyway.
Sure, getting a million or 20m gold is difficult, but all the rich people haven't used hundreds of real dollars to directly buy their gold.
What gets all this gold is dedication. Some money, but mostly dedication.
You can play all you want without mythics or arcanes and be successful. If you expect to get the absolute top gear with little effort, you're wrong. I'll probably never get an Arcane, but I'm fine with that and so are many others.

The reason why that there is so much money in the top 1% of AL is because of the fact that people converted platinum to gold. So yes, a lot of the rich people initially used hundreds of dollars to get gold.

As time goes on and more money is in the economy, the platinum to gold conversion is not worth as much.

In the beginning, 2m was a lot & it could be used A LOT to earn profits which was why people bought plat to gold. Now, not so much. Also, since the plat to gold conversion is not worth it anymore, the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor unless you are lucky with drops and merch your way up.

[Limsi]

Still doing Nordr runs without lix and within my 300th run today without any re roll lix.. still no sight of a pink weapon :/ anyone here actually got a pink without a reroll? :o

In my honest opinion, the crate system is one unique way of easing the pain of having to farm with the chance of getting a drop that's worth more than the "legendaries", not bad. The thing is, only those who have platinum can afford to participate in this activity, which somehow creates an imbalance and a cleavage to those who actually spend time to "FARM" and those who can pay with plat.

I remember this one game (don't tell me to go and play that game instead cause heck I know what I'm doing) which has the same method (crate system) but the thing is, they actually let those who cannot pay zens (counterpart of plat) to participate by opening using in game currency. I really don't see anything wrong with having to let people open crates for a price of 15k gold.

Still I stand firm to the principle of " Those who farm and work harder should be rewarded more than those who take the easy way out "

[falmear]

Still doing Nordr runs without lix and within my 300th run today without any re roll lix.. still no sight of a pink weapon :/ anyone here actually got a pink without a reroll? :o

Yes I have seen it and I got one on Mount Spyr. I got a level 30 Nordr Jewel of Potency. Using a luck elixir I got a level 31 Nordr Jewel of Brutality. So if you are going for a specific pink, I would recommend using a luck elixir. You have a better chance and only farm with a fast team. So you can maximum your rerolls.

[Zheng An Peter Han]

[QUOTE=Limsyoker;1093143]Still doing Nordr runs without lix and within my 300th run today without any re roll lix.. still no sight of a pink weapon :/ anyone here actually got a pink without a reroll? :o

I got a pink in tombs and hauntlet b4..

however with the insane event over..most pink weapon/amour are worthless already....unless it is insanely good.

[Linkincena]

Its just a matter of time... when level cap comes those items become obsolete either mythic or arcane ... just wait n watch.. enjoy da game.. i enjoy chat the most.... ^_^

[kateku]

I have seen many online games where the price of the items is super expensive and thus needing to spend real life money to get those items.

What will happen to those online games? There will be a small amount of players who have the best gears and spend much with real life money.

There will be another small amount of players who are low and new players.

There will be much players who can spend time but not much real life money and leave the game.

In the end we left with 2 type of players which is those elite players and new players.

So what will happen to these players? Elite player will feel bored with so less players online and eventually quit the game.

Newly players will play and only few will be able to become elite players leaving those newly players quitting the game.

This game has potential but please let those players with enough time to farm stays as these players makes the elite players playing.

[Energizeric]

Still I stand firm to the principle of " Those who farm and work harder should be rewarded more than those who take the easy way out "

I agree. What I always have wondered (and nobody except STS can confirm or deny for sure) is whether the elite gold chests have a better or worse chance of giving a mythic/arcane item. It would be nice if it were a better chance.

But in the end, we want this game to have regular updates, and for that to happen people have to buy plat. If you take the cost of WOW which is $15/month (I think), then you can figure that is the cost any of these games needs to raise in order to be profitable. So how much plat is $15? That is how much they need the "average" player to spend per month. So if 50% of the players don't spend any plat, then the other 50% must spend an average of $30/month in plat. And if 75% of the players don't spend any plat, then the remaining 25% of the players must spend $60/month in plat. And so on.....

Vanity items and 2-plat elixirs just aren't going to be enough. They will need something more expensive and more interesting to get the really big plat spenders to keep spending. In PL they had the turnstyle dungeons and big 30-plat thrasher elixirs. People complained. So here in AL they have tried something else.

I see lots of people complaining here too. What I don't see is some valid suggestions given as alternative that will get the big plat spenders to keep spending thousands of plat and supporting this game.

STS reads this forum. I'm sure if some good ideas were presented, they would consider them. So when considering a new idea, ask yourself if you think anyone is going to drop thousands of plat on it. If not, then it probably is not a good replacement for the crates.

[psychoscream]

You're saying you don't agree the economy has outgrown the exchange?

i agree that buying (GOLD) with plat is wrong , you should buy items or creates

[Bullox]

So many People are angry with the current drop and Crate System and farming day over day for nothing!

STS should not forget, if the players leave, there is nobody! left who Buys Platinum!

I See the hard Work STS does and i know it's not easy to make all Players happy...

...but at time with that crappy drop System, Laggs, bad FPS, Bugs, Skills not always working and no really good changes to make us Sorcs happy :) , they will constantly lose Players...

......i think STS try to let the Rest of the Plat buyers to pay for them who left and thats the wrong way...

...STS have to make the Game enjoyable for New Players...

[psychoscream]

So many People are angry with the current drop and Crate System and farming day over day for nothing!

STS should not forget, if the players leave, there is nobody! left who Buys Platinum!

I See the hard Work STS does and i know it's not easy to make all Players happy...

...but at time with that crappy drop System, Laggs, bad FPS, Bugs, Skills not always working and no really good changes to make us Sorcs happy :) , they will constantly lose Players...

......i think STS try to let the Rest of the Plat buyers to pay for them who left and thats the wrong way...

...STS have to make the Game enjoyable for New Players...

1- farming day over day and nothing ? i wouldnt agree with that
otherwise there would be no items in the CS .

2- some of the players want to have the best items without paying a cent
or farming , thats their problem not Sts problem

[Bullox]

@ Psychoscream..

I did over 140 Mount runs for getting the Nordr Staff

Result: I bought it for over 500k...

That's what i mean with farm for nothing..
..

[Rare]

i agree that buying (GOLD) with plat is wrong , you should buy items or creates

Lol ok

[Rare]

s without paying a cent
or farming , thats their problem not Sts problem

You just said it was "wrong" to buy gold with plat. But it's not wrong to sell it? Not saying I agree or disagree but you should be consistent with your arguments

[Greencrow]

1- farming day over day and nothing ? i wouldnt agree with that
otherwise there would be no items in the CS .

2- some of the players want to have the best items without paying a cent
or farming , thats their problem not Sts problem

1. False. That would be the players who opened locked crates. Players who loot from farm are much cheaper in cs or very rare to have a good one.

2. Whut? o.O

[Energizeric]

1- farming day over day and nothing ? i wouldnt agree with that
otherwise there would be no items in the CS .

Yup! If nobody was getting any drops, then there wouldn't be any for sale in the CS. And those are not items that you get from crates.

Truthfully, the crates are the best thing that could ever happen to the "poor" players who do not spend any plat. Because of the crates, you have pretty decent pinks that can be purchased for 500 gold. I've got some rogue and mage armors/helms that have very good stats yet I can't even sell them in the CS because the price is barely higher than the listing fee. The only reason is that every crate gives a pink, so they have become so common that the price has dropped way down.

But with respect to farming, there are plenty of elite chests, noble armors/helms, nordr jewels, entombed hammers for sale in the CS. And these are all items that drop from bosses and do NOT come in crates. So obviously plenty of them are falling. That does not mean that every player will get one to drop. If every player got these items to drop, they would be worth 100 gold each. The only reason they retain some sort of value is because there is demand for them. If everyone had one, then nobody would need another and they would become worthless.

[Bebsi]

Aren't u getting tired of explaining market mechanics to these guys over and over? lol

[Energizeric]

Aren't u getting tired of explaining market mechanics to these guys over and over? lol

Yes, it is becoming rather tiresome. LOL

[Uzii]

Truthfully, the crates are the best thing that could ever happen to the "poor" players who do not spend any plat. Because of the crates, you have pretty decent pinks that can be purchased for 500 gold. I've got some rogue and mage armors/helms that have very good stats yet I can't even sell them in the CS because the price is barely higher than the listing fee. The only reason is that every crate gives a pink, so they have become so common that the price has dropped way down.


yes i know was saying that in many past threads already.


Blame the people who buys plat to convert to gold in the first place, because of them, lots of gold are added in the game, and once there's more money in game, the items can be more and more expensive, and once items more expensive, they buy plat for gold again to get what they want, it'll just get worst.

If it wasn't for them, most items wont be that expensive cuz it'll be hard to have 1m from dailies, liquidating items, and selling items (cheep cuz others cant afford)

even the mythics and arcanes wont be that expensive, cuz not much people will have enough money for a 1m item without plat

for more: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?96456-Revelation-Why-are-in-game-items-so-expensive! (By Apollo)

I think this is the point of whole thread. was posting smth similar. just a bit lower price so not only plat spenders can afford those items or players who merch everytime they can bc this art is not known for everyone. but this kind of threads get derailed pretty easily :).

no one sayed that SL is better just that economy is. i too think that sl economy is better then here. u can actualy farm good amount of credits just scarting items, stimps r not so expensive, and their use is very little too so u dont buy them like candys. and most of all course for credits for real money isnt so good as it is for al. (most expensive items there can maybe cost 2m, that is if someone is willing to buy, they who knows buy to 1,5m, but its vanity and its price will remain stabil)

but who can remember times without crates? the 16 lvl cap? i found everything that time far more better and enjoyable. ofc there were items i couldnt buy but if i put some more farming i could get them. but now i think many players r just frustrated despite the time and money they put in game it just brings them nothing.

[Rare]

Yes, it is becoming rather tiresome. LOL

If they don't know it by now... They will never never never know it. No they won't.

[Y O L O]

@Energizeric: Smh. Refrain from calling ppl jealous just because you spend money and they -choose- not to. If anything, we represent the aspect of the game that is supposed to be casual when its not, not relying on plat when it is, and not focusing on wheeling in money vs making it entirely more difficult for the f2p casual users to play. This really has nothing to do with "omgzorz y joo get all the good stuff n we dont?!?" no. Its more about wanting them to stick to their word and making the game fun again for those of us who simply choose not to pay hella money to play a game we hardly have time to spend on (or in my case, don't choose to spend that much anymore period). One example of this are the elixirs, which 9 times out of 10 don't last long enough between finding a party or a PuG with players what won't leave half way into the runs... and actually reaching the boss before it expires (which often than not, they expire way before reaching the boss or right before he dies). Especially luck elixir, which doesn't even roll at all sometimes.

If they really wanted this game to be -completely- p2p they would have given a subscription option upon release. Hence why players like us (who come on here and complain) are the ones they listen to. Problem is, they don't really -hear- us. For example, we've asked for items of hella rare type to be dropped and instead they make us pay for a mere -chance- at getting them rather than farming for them.

This is all much more than some silly jealously act so don't insult your fellow peer players by saying that.


​thank you

[Spyce]

People are greedy and want top dollar.

[Limsi]

I agree. What I always have wondered (and nobody except STS can confirm or deny for sure) is whether the elite gold chests have a better or worse chance of giving a mythic/arcane item. It would be nice if it were a better chance.

But in the end, we want this game to have regular updates, and for that to happen people have to buy plat. If you take the cost of WOW which is $15/month (I think), then you can figure that is the cost any of these games needs to raise in order to be profitable. So how much plat is $15? That is how much they need the "average" player to spend per month. So if 50% of the players don't spend any plat, then the other 50% must spend an average of $30/month in plat. And if 75% of the players don't spend any plat, then the remaining 25% of the players must spend $60/month in plat. And so on.....

Vanity items and 2-plat elixirs just aren't going to be enough. They will need something more expensive and more interesting to get the really big plat spenders to keep spending. In PL they had the turnstyle dungeons and big 30-plat thrasher elixirs. People complained. So here in AL they have tried something else.

I see lots of people complaining here too. What I don't see is some valid suggestions given as alternative that will get the big plat spenders to keep spending thousands of plat and supporting this game.

STS reads this forum. I'm sure if some good ideas were presented, they would consider them. So when considering a new idea, ask yourself if you think anyone is going to drop thousands of plat on it. If not, then it probably is not a good replacement for the crates.

Agreed. There's no doubt that the need of players spending dollars is vital to the constant updates, that's why we have the crates. Now if only there's a better chance of drop (mythic and arcane) through elite golden chests, we would see more people being satisfied.

The crates should be comparable to turn style dungeons - for those who have the money and would want to score good loots and the elite golden chests which I hope should have a noticeable fraction of better drop of mythic and arcane - for those who have the time to actually Invest time and re rolls.

[wowdah]

The MAIN thing i have been after for like 3 months is the ability to GET GOOD ITEMS without REROLL 2-plat lixes!! JEEZ :P

[beeckazoid]

I played 3month without any platinum.. Then came this weekend and bam.. 40%off?! Ooh what a good offer.. I wanted the 1,7k plat.. Purchase amount reached.. Could only buy 600plat 2times.. Opening lockeds.. And cant evn sell the "good" items, cuz market is just flooded with em...
Thats my word and the market will crash again..

Rich ones stay rich and get more.. Poor stay poor.. And get nothing... EXEPT: THEY PURCHASE PLATINUM... BUT THEY ARE POOOR... me too.. :( .. Im ruined... -.-

[piepounder]

Does anyone else realize how badly we are screwing ourselves. I just saw an auction for warrior mythic armor priced at 20,000,000. Now I realize I will never be able to obtain this item and have excepted this. However lets do some simple math, 500 plat will get you 500,000 gold. 500,000 goes into 20,000,000 40 times. 500x40 is 20,000 plat. This weekend 1700 plat is going for $54.99, 20,000/1700 equals about 12. $54.99x12=$659.88. Does anyone else see the absurdity in this? You can buy an Xbox with multiple games for this, a brand new iPad or laptop, hell a used car. Why on earth are we charging each other $700 for a piece of armor in a game, which really is a bunch of pixels, 0's and 1's people. Things in auction should be much cheaper, hundreds and thousands, not millions. This only screws are selves and makes STS richer. Stop the insanity, cut the prices.

Makes me want to learn how to code games so I can sucker users into paying $1000+ for items. :-P More power to STS I guess. Sadly this is what the gaming industry has evolved into, same goes with console gaming, you pay 60+ for the game then you're pressured into paying more for DLC to get features that should've been standard in the game. Next thing you know that $60 game is really costing you $150 to get the full experience from it. The only thing that will change this practice is whenpeople stop paying for DLC/Perks the publishers will be forced to to reduce their fees and prices

[Mystiq]

let me interrupt and say...Deal With It ^.^

[Origin]

Soz but I gotta say, stop having a whinge and sook. There're other ways of doing this. It's true I'm not happy with the heavy gambling aspect of this game but like Mystiq said, deal with it. u can be smart about this guys. It's not the circumstances but how u own it. Surround urself with the right friends, have some vision/ambition, and u could spend half of what it officially costs, and leave with multiplied returns/break even. U want casual u get casual. That's how this sh is done in RL. Every joint has its share of bad and good. If u don't like the stakes, walk. Find something that suits u. It's not like u got shotgun-married to this game and had more kids with it.