Inflation coming in 3..2.1 *B U M*.

The gap from the average players and plat buyers is about to get even bigger.
Why?

It seems sts decided to leave them kits.

As a human i find this to be a decent marketing move but as a player, a player like the majority that makes his daily gain farming elites, i find this to be a insane decision.

The only thing that made the Tindirin loots worth a decent amount is the fact the maps were hard. With the kits introduction the maps have gotten more simplier to run. The luck kits makes i easier to reroll for a pink.


I remember looting a pair of magmatic daggers brutality version and selling them for 1.7m and now i can barely sell them for 1/3 of that price...
The other day i looted a pair of magmatic daggers worth 5k.

Everyone knows those gears suck but they held high value because their supply was as low as their demand.

Now sts highers the supply while the demands keeps getting low.


Please sts unless a new wave of items are scheduled to come very soon and you are taking the last bites off the cake please just take those kits away, especially the luck kit and find more healthy ways that do no harm to the game's economy to make your profits.


Supply of farmable gears>>Demand = increase of the gap between myths and legendaries.

economics 101 when supply>demand, price drops, therefore deflation for the lv 41 elite pinks

I agree with you somewhat, however this will only push the price so low. Prices won't keep dropping, because eventually it will not be worth the gold investment to run these dungeons with elixirs if the potential reward is not big enough. And the elixir costs are price controlled since they are sold for a fixed plat price. Even at current prices, I'm not sure if it is worth it to purchase these elixirs and run elites with them. Basically you are getting one, possibly two drops for one half hour elixir. So spending 9k on a luck elixir for 2 drops is 4500 gold per drop, and that gives you a re-roll 25% of the time. That means you have to spend on average 18k per re-roll. I'm not sure if that is worth the cost when the price of elite golden chests is now down to 80k and the prices on many other items have fallen.

I think these elixirs are a new thing for many non-plat players, so they are going to try them out, but I think many of them are going to figure out in a hurry that it's not worth the investment, and then they will stop using them except for crate farming.

Well I knew this was gonna happen. When I tried explaining this I was called selfish and self centred. There are three types of people playing the game:
1) The poor: players who never bought plat
2) The rich: players who have huge stock of plat and mainly pop crates
3) The mediocre: players who occasionally bought plat and farm all day to earn gold and items.

This item is actually good for the1st and 2nd type of players. 1st type of players have nothing to lose. All they do is gain. They now have so many lix at their hands and infact they actually make more money than ever before.

The 2nd type is also happy because now they dont have to spend plats on lix and instead save them for locked crates. They are least bothered about other items.

The 3rd type are the losers. Now they can no longer farm and make decent money. Even if they buy lix and sell its not really a good trade imho. Elite loots are becoming comedy now. Even the eggs that had high price have gone down. So if this tradeable lix becomes permanent all we can do is take part in contests and hope that one day we win, because farming aint be going to do much.

On a seperate note once everything will plummet arcane and mythic items will rise exponentially. :)

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I agree with you somewhat, however this will only push the price so low. Prices won't keep dropping, because eventually it will not be worth the gold investment to run these dungeons with elixirs if the potential reward is not big enough. And the elixir costs are price controlled since they are sold for a fixed plat price. Even at current prices, I'm not sure if it is worth it to purchase these elixirs and run elites with them. Basically you are getting one, possibly two drops for one half hour elixir. So spending 9k on a luck elixir for 2 drops is 4500 gold per drop, and that gives you a re-roll 25% of the time. That means you have to spend on average 18k per re-roll. I'm not sure if that is worth the cost when the price of elite golden chests is now down to 80k and the prices on many other items have fallen.

I think these elixirs are a new thing for many non-plat players, so they are going to try them out, but I think many of them are going to figure out in a hurry that it's not worth the investment, and then they will stop using them except for crate farming.

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Trust me it worth the gold investment like i have already said in other threads regarding this kits : they give you free lix and free gold and it's only a matter of time before everyone discovers how to use them to their maximum potencial.

If sts had never communicated there will be new waves of BETTER items over time i swear i would have already quit the game because i have already seen this film before " Shuyal pt2: the revenge of the mythic items"



Lemme tell you the film, you have probably already seen it and it is strange you are not alarmed.


What made shuyal loots to rocket drop ? A glitch.

This time there are no glitches but Luck kits.
Luck kits whether we like it or not are going to make every farmable item to loose their value. When the majority of the farmers ig are running maps from backenridge to rockhorn summit with a 40% reroll you can't expect the value of the items to drop according to their natural speed.

At a point all items ingame will drop so low the supply will meet a range of new players that couldn't afford the items before and will gradually stop when this set of players are fed up of the item it's value falls again till it find a new set of poorer players and restabilize. This is how things work when supply>demand. Prices drop to draw the attention of the buyers.

This is the natural course of all items that aren't discontinued or plat related so it ok.... The problem is that kits accelerate the process.

If there weren't better gears than legendaries this would be a decent enconomy but there are myths and arcanes.

Farmers have always be crying that the legendary loots from shuyal didn't worth the stress and they couldn't make money and now we are accepting the fact the most valued items , Valued not because of their stats or the demand for them but because they were few, now drop ,as fast as possible, in larger quantities?

Well everyone just wait and see when the new myths come out the gap between the legendary items and them will already be so high you will have to farm your lives out just to get 1out of 5.

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Well I knew this was gonna happen. When I tried explaining this I was called selfish and self centred. There are three types of people playing the game:
1) The poor: players who never bought plat
2) The rich: players who have huge stock of plat and mainly pop crates
3) The mediocre: players who occasionally bought plat and farm all day to earn gold and items.

This item is actually good for the1st and 2nd type of players. 1st type of players have nothing to lose. All they do is gain. They now have so many lix at their hands and infact they actually make more money than ever before.

The 2nd type is also happy because now they dont have to spend plats on lix and instead save them for locked crates. They are least bothered about other items.

The 3rd type are the losers. Now they can no longer farm and make decent money. Even if they buy lix and sell its not really a good trade imho. Elite loots are becoming comedy now. Even the eggs that had high price have gone down. So if this tradeable lix becomes permanent all we can do is take part in contests and hope that one day we win, because farming aint be going to do much.

On a seperate note once everything will plummet arcane and mythic items will rise exponentially. :)

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Lol I'm one of those people in group 3 and I still have no problem making gold just farming locked still.

The problem is you are trying to farm elites which are very costly to run and the gear that drops is only mediocre. Most of the people who wanted the magma gear bought it already and now very few people want an armor set that's just not that good except for tanking warriors. The weapons are good but many people already have then so prices are dropping on those also. It happens every season.

Still not sure why people don't realize that farming elites is like Merching or opening locked crates. It's a gamble where you can hit it big or lose thousands in potions. And at the beginning of a season is when those items sell for the most. Once a few weeks go by the prices will drop. Just remember the best legendary Mage weapon last season was architect pylon and the price went from 2 mil to 500k in only 2 weeks.

lol dude. i hav seen the market since season 2. always like this .nothing new.

Well let me give my experience. I've been running tindirin elite since it was released. I always stack lep and luck elixir. I've gotten one legendary drop in that time. Magmatic blades of riposte. So I don't think the elixir are going to have any astronomical effect. The "poor" players will not be able to sustain the cost of elixir kits AND pots. For the handful of elite players that don't use plat, it may benefit them slightly.

But as I said, stacking elixir by no means guarantees a good drop.

It's natural that gear value will go down after the initial boom. Once the big buyers have theirs, the demand will go way down at high prices and stabilize for the middle class.

That being said, this doesn't account for merchs that want to control the market.

For those who HAVE been running endgame elites since the last few expansions, you can clearly notice that the drop rate for Elite Pinks have drastically reduced.

Nowadays running with lix and lep you get green rerolls, back in the last cap it was NEVER this bad. There was definitely a undisclosed nerf to the drop rates which is intended giving the fact that they decided to also release tradeable elixirs.

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lol dude. i hav seen the market since season 2. always like this .nothing new.

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At least recently things were getting better but now they ruined it.

I would like to have a means of making gold different from farming lockeds till they make me puke.

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Well let me give my experience. I've been running tindirin elite since it was released. I always stack lep and luck elixir. I've gotten one legendary drop in that time. Magmatic blades of riposte. So I don't think the elixir are going to have any astronomical effect. The "poor" players will not be able to sustain the cost of elixir kits AND pots. For the handful of elite players that don't use plat, it may benefit them slightly.

But as I said, stacking elixir by no means guarantees a good drop.

It's natural that gear value will go down after the initial boom. Once the big buyers have theirs, the demand will go way down at high prices and stabilize for the middle class.

That being said, this doesn't account for merchs that want to control the market.

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It is not only the new gears that will go down at a faster rate.

Everything farmable not related to plats will drop.

Eggs, boxes and gears.

So you will be pratically gaining less money in general.

Just curious how exactly things got better? A new expansion was released with new gear. Price won't remain high on it for that long. It's the same as the past seasons.

Your example of magmatic daggers isn't a good one at all. It drops from one of the easiest bosses in the game so it's no wonder price dropped very quick on those. I picked up a pair within first week for only 30k.

And to judge how the lix kits are effecting the market just look at locked prices. They still sell for 13-14k each so prices haven't even dropped much on those. It won't effect elite drop gear prices. What will is it's just not that good of gear and not a lot of people want it.

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It is not only the new gears that will go down at a faster rate.

Everything farmable not related to plats will drop.

Eggs, boxes and gears.

So you will be pratically gaining less money in general.

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Whatever I think of posting I see you already have posted :) and locked crate price already have dropped 3k from last week since tradeable kits were announced. So further down the line you can expect them to go to about 7-8k or max 9k like it happened during lep event.

I am sure more people will realize it unless they see it on their own eyes.
Like I said before even with nerfed drop rates if more people run maps with luck more will be the reroll chance and definitely more will be the chance of extra loot drop. Simple mathematics.

Suppose the drop rate of an elite pink with 40% luck is 0.01%. So for every 100 people 1 people gets an elite loot. Now since kits are available to ALL, now 1000 people are trying thereby getting 10 loots and so on. I hope you get what I mean to say.

And yes, I agree that elite loots always drops after the initial frenzy but this update will affect ALL PINKS.

The only droppables from elite that it will effect are drops from earlier seasons (e.g Malison, Wrathjaw, Snag). The Nordr, Shuyal, and Tindirin drops will still be very tough to get, even with reroll.

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Whatever I think of posting I see you already have posted :) and locked crate price already have dropped 3k from last week since tradeable kits were announced. So further down the line you can expect them to go to about 7-8k or max 9k like it happened during lep event.

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This drop was totally expected even without the reroll. The prices jumped when the expansion came, plat sale happen, and people were looking for shards. After it dies down and people empty their plat stores who didn't expect them to come back down?

During the crate off season they generally stay between 8-12k. When new hot items are added, they will jump up again a bit. Unfortunately, the locked crates are a hoarders market. I know people that over have 500 in stock. Some as high as 1k. I really don't think NEW crates are going to be a problem.

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The only droppables from elite that it will effect are drops from earlier seasons (e.g Malison, Wrathjaw, Snag). The Nordr, Shuyal, and Tindirin drops will still be very tough to get, even with reroll.



This drop was totally expected even without the reroll. The prices jumped when the expansion came, plat sale happen, and people were looking for shards. After it dies down and people empty their plat stores who didn't expect them to come back down?

During the crate off season they generally stay between 8-12k. When new hot items are added, they will jump up again a bit. Unfortunately, the locked crates are a hoarders market. I know people that over have 500 in stock. Some as high as 1k. I really don't think NEW crates are going to be a problem.

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Well maybe its true what you are saying, but based on what I saw I found that the price dropped after 2-3days of tradeable kits update. Maybe it could be a coincidence. And since the last 6 months I have been playing I never seen locked crates go below 11k except during the lep event when there was a surplus of luck

Locked prices haven't fallen since lix kits have come out. Still selling for 13-14k each. They dropped after the plat sale ended which is a normal occurrence. Whenever there is a plat sale prices go up then return to normal when sale is over. Kits haven't effected locked prices at all.

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Well maybe its true what you are saying, but based on what I saw I found that the price dropped after 2-3days of tradeable kits update. Maybe it could be a coincidence. And since the last 6 months I have been playing I never seen locked crates go below 11k except during the lep event when there was a surplus of luck

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And this time it is permanent luck available when you want.

And some still say items won't devalue.

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Locked prices haven't fallen since lix kits have come out. Still selling for 13-14k each. They dropped after the plat sale ended which is a normal occurrence. Whenever there is a plat sale prices go up then return to normal when sale is over. Kits haven't effected locked prices at all.

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One question:
Personally why do you buy luck kits wutz? :)

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One question:
Personally why do you buy luck kits wutz? :)

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I don't lol. Unless there is an event going on like the level 36 mythic weapon weekend where 50 plat in lix made 1.5 mil in 2 days worth of locked.

Shazbot or klaas give me mine or I run with just leprechaun/jack amulet. Locked show up either way and I gain 2k per hour from liquidating crap if I don't find any. It's always guaranteed gold which is why I run it instead of elite maps. These kits won't effect the prices as much as you think they will.

Otherwise the leprechaun amulet would have killed the locked market since it's a real permanent reroll. Gamblers are always gonna gamble so locked will always sell. Some days are good and some are bad.

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Locked prices haven't fallen since lix kits have come out. Still selling for 13-14k each. They dropped after the plat sale ended which is a normal occurrence. Whenever there is a plat sale prices go up then return to normal when sale is over. Kits haven't effected locked prices at all.

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Locked crates are no longer marked at 13k-14k. They were 15k before update and after plat sale. And now they sell from 11.5k to 12.5k. I am an avid locked crate seller and my entire business is around locked crates. So I am 100% certain of my info.

Edit: But I sincerely pray I am wrong and that u r right the next time I log in