You're*. That's GG. Oh, and thanks.
Printable View
This topic used to be constructive...
Aaaaaaaaaand it's gone
IB4L
I would say they are a bit OP in the low level ranges, my only thing is that there is a way to combat them. Kiting with an xbow, which you said yourself is an effective tactic, is a viable option and xbows at that level range aren't ridiculously expensive (at least none that i've seen, i could be wrong). If there was absolutely no way to combat the forgotten weps (meaning that they had range as well as damage) then i would agree with you, but why should the weps be nerfed even though there is a feasible option against them?
EDIT:In the format it was posted, it is constructive. I for one would like to discuss this and right now the only reason this thread could be locked is by people doing what you did above Rasa. No trolling por favor, i'd like a nice, friendly discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cahaun:798328
He fights for it because 15-17 pvp is what he loves to do. Its what alot of people love to do. But ever since the introduction of the f bows, 15-17 has been super unbalanced/ unplayable(mages gone extinct). I think the f bows should be a pve item only or lowered in damage significantly. Will 10-17 ever be rebalanced?
Aaaaaaand ill fight for it till a mod sais its permanent
I've been twinking since it was invented in pocket legends
I have no problems
Interesting no response to my "host a non forgotten tourney" post. Seems like a nice short term answer
How many people would you say are smart pvpers in that level range compared to how many play in that level range though? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Yich:798345
I never meant to troll anything so I apologise if I was rude, but the one thing we need to all do is to stop fighting over these Forgotten stuff.
Let's all reset here:
Yes it is OP and I do know the stat differences as I have lots of them over levels 10-20 and a few other levels. The only thing I used them for is PvE as I was never a PvP person though. The main advantage is the high base damage and weakness is lower range.
The problem here is: The fighting isn't because anyone disagrees with my post. Any arguement here is based around the logic of "well they didnt nerf it before when people complained about it then, so quit complaining." The entire post makes that arguement invalid, as they did fix the bows at some levels, and it was never OP at others. If anyone actually has a legitimate arguement as to why these bows shouldnt be nerfed or removed completely from low level, Id love to hear it. Otherwise, just go somewhere else..
Yich,
Well written and I actually do appreciate the stat information and pics. People saying that they are OP'd is not the same as showing just how OP'd they are.
With that said, there is a way to combat them, unfortunately, like a game of tic-tac-toe, good tactics usually results in a stalemate.
I completely agree that the closer to endgame you get, the more balanced the F-Bows become. In all honesty, I think that the increase in DEX requirement actually hurts more the closer to endgame that you get. Because of the high base state requirements, you can't dual spec with top end STR armor/helm and use the bow. Lower level PVP just magnifies the inability to dual spec with the bow.
Prior to the base spec reset, I had a dual-spec bear that would dominate because I had top-of-the line STR armor and an F-Bow. Now, I have to use a bow several levels lower, which has leveled the playing field (a bit).
My take is that at this point, the bow (from a damage and DPS perspective) is still overpowered, but because of the high DEX requirement, you can no longer dual-spec bears and use both STR armor and F-bows that are appropriate for your level. As strange as it sounds, low level Bow-Bears have become a bit squishy - not as bad as nuke mages, but not significantly better either. It's the age old trade-off between damage vs. survivability.
Honestly, if you take away the hit% debuff, especially for low levels, I think that the F-Bow is only a bit OP'd. Without the debuff, I would probably still prefer the SBL because of the Freeze proc so you can combo with Stomp (which at low levels is devastating!).
Just my two cents...
If there are a bunch of people that agree with you then it shouldn't be hard to find people that will agree not to use forgotten bows with you in order to maintain what you deem is the integrity of pvp.
If people don't agree to not use these bows, they must like them and enjoy using them. You don't have to play with those people.
Yeah, it's easier for noobs to kill you now so it's not as great to farm less experienced players. Is that the problem?
Otherwise, if you don't like, don't use.
This is very informative.
One question: is elite blaster range-wise a recurve or an x-bow? Does it have a range advantage compared to forgotten (forgotten is a recurve)? Judging by the speed it seems it's a recurve.
And a comment. In endgame, when you compare forgotten pink vs. blaster, you forget to mention how blaster offers a lot more crit, which further proves your point. However, compare the purple forgotten vs. blaster too!! Look at this:
Irrevocably Forgotten Bow: 215-270 Damage, 0.9 Speed, 32 Dex, 1% Hit, 10% Crit, 4 H/S, 4 M/S, 14 Armor
Forever Forgotten Bow: 219-274 Damage, 0.9 Speed, 33 Dex, 12% Hit, 7% Crit, 4 H/S, 5 M/S, 10 Armor
Elite Sea Blaster: 211-251 Damage, 0.9 Speed, 33 Dex, 9% Hit, 10% Crit, 5 H/S, 4 M/S, 14 Armor, 4% Dodge
Out of those three, I would go for the purple forgotten for PvE. Equal crit with blaster and superior damage, as you stated Hit % is high enough for birds in endgame anyway. Not to mention, unbeatable price and no boot proc!!
Back to the point, I have not decided if Forgotten was a good or a bad thing. I don't PvP and I liked that bow prices dropped to be honest. Certainly it messed up the PvP balance, but I saw that in Crim's official tournament forgotten were not allowed anyway.
Also, I liked your analysis with the stalemate :) Camping ftw lol. It reminds me of the camper-strike glory days ;)
Anyway, happy to take part in a discussion with facts and proper analysis.
If only you were this passionate about something that actually mattered, you might accomplish something worthwhile.
I'm seriously dumbfounded at the 'effort' you've put into this. I don't care either way, but hopefully the devs throw a bone so another 'I quit' thread doesn't pop up.