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Temporary? Just because a few people said so?

What about adding a "hide vanity" for those people crying about being different.


I did NOT just buy plat and purchase this hat for no reason, the only reason I used real money to get platinum and buy the hat was because you said it would remain as a bonus.


They are complaining about the looks of people, so do something about the looks but keep the bonus.

Again, "hiding the vanity hat" option or "hiding every other players vanity" just so we can look "nicer" to some.

Jeez.

People that pay should always have an advantage, that's life.

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Originally Posted by asommers

Ok, we'll consider making them temporary.

-ALS

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why not just add bonus to other vanity items in the future? I love the idea....

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Originally Posted by asommers

Ok, we'll consider making them temporary.

-ALS

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Or please consider making an option for 'Hide Vanity', as odd as it sounds, like the 'Hide Hat' option. It could work, leave the permanent luck increase intact while allowing us to wear whatever helm we wanted for looks/visual effect.

People that pay should always have an advantage?


That's not how PL used to be, and I hope that's not the direction it's heading.

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Originally Posted by ballersburden

Temporary? Just because a few people said so?

What about adding a "hide vanity" for those people crying about being different.


I did NOT just buy plat and purchase this hat for no reason, the only reason I used real money to get platinum and buy the hat was because you said it would remain as a bonus.


They are complaining about the looks of people, so do something about the looks but keep the bonus.

Again, "hiding the vanity hat" option or "hiding every other players vanity" just so we can look "nicer" to some.

Jeez.

People that pay should always have an advantage, that's life.

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Sounds like someone accusing other people of crying, is in need of a pretty big box of Kleenex themselves. Hide Vanity already suggested.

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Originally Posted by asommers

Ok, we'll consider making them temporary.

-ALS

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It feels like a heavy loss to have paid 15 platinum for this and no bonus added to it in the future. Please keep it on?

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Originally Posted by asommers

Ok, we'll consider making them temporary.

-ALS

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Please do NOT make then temporary. 15 plat is a lot for a temporary item. I wouldn't have bought.. Just because a few people don't love it, doesn't mean the rest of us don't!

Let it stay :D


Btw, big kleenex box plz.

Discard the one who pays money get better argument but look at it this way many people(including me) only bought the vanity caause luck was permanent. 15 plats is big waste otherwise. If the temporary thing is applied all should be atleast given a chance to give it back ( or decrease the value of vanity).

I however feel getting more vanity to have some kinda bonus is a better idea but it is upto the devs :)

Yeah, I was planning on buying some plat to get one, but not if it's gonna go away any time soon. consider the other remedies the problem rather than nullifying the reason for the purchase. That's like paying extra for leather seats in your car, but they turn into vinyl after 6 months.

Look guys, let's say this hat does turn permanent. What does that mean for the economy?

1. There will be more loot in the CS.
2. More loot means prices will be driven further down.
3. Players who farm extensively like me will get more drops, driving prices even further down.
4. Your earnings will be a fraction of what they were once worth.

Drop rates for pinks are already fair. If everyone has an increased chance of drops, your drops will be worth diddly.

15 Platinum is not worth a lot of money. It's at most 2 dollars.

And I'll be damned if I loot a MM bracer in the future with a permabonus on this hat only to have to sell it for 250k instead of 800k.

And no - people who pay Platinum should not have a distinct advantage over anyone else.

If u do make it temporary you should take vanity away from everyone and refund plat so they can decide if they want it, but i still think it should stay because its first ever vanity with a bonus.

The devs are usually good about returns, and I'm guessing they would allow them if you return it right away and not wait until the luck wears off.

People have bought plenty of other vanity items, including the very similar Big Love, despite their having no bonuses. If it is made temporary, maybe the price should be adjusted to reflect that?

If it is here to stay, I think other helms should be given some bonuses (ie. Xp bonus, speed bonus, etc) around the same time, to give people a reason to choose between different helms, and not simply choose to look silly wearing a clover (for the luck) or wearing a cool-looking vanity item without a bonus.

Also, kinda sucks for future players who won't be able to buy the hat. All other holiday plat items were vanity only, so new players who didn't get it were not at a disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by Physiologic

Look guys, let's say this hat does turn permanent. What does that mean for the economy?

1. There will be more loot in the CS.
2. More loot means prices will be driven further down.
3. Players who farm extensively like me will get more drops, driving prices even further down.
4. Your earnings will be a fraction of what they were once worth.

Drop rates for pinks are already fair. If everyone has an increased chance of drops, your drops will be worth diddly.

15 Platinum is not worth a lot of money. It's at most 2 dollars.

And I'll be damned if I loot a MM bracer in the future with a permabonus on this hat only to have to sell it for 250k instead of 800k.

And no - people who pay Platinum should not have a distinct advantage over anyone else.

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Yes prices will eventually go down just like Rift once was more than 1mill to buy. But new items will be expensive even if the drop rate is higher.

I do see the point you are making Physio but also remember that a the majority of players don't use the forums and they will think that little love gives a bonus and they will not pay for big love. This item will be on the store for a week or less (from past similar items) Then it will no longer will be available so other players won't have the luxury of getting it.

Similar permanent bonus could be added to other vanity items.

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

If it is here to stay, I think other helms should be given some bonuses (ie. Xp bonus, speed bonus, etc) around the same time, to give people a reason to choose between different helms, and not simply choose to look silly wearing a clover (for the luck) or wearing a cool-looking vanity item without a bonus.

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Nice ideas for vanity item bonuses
+1
I would love the speed one to run around town like a chicken with its head cut off

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Originally Posted by ballersburden

Let it stay :D


Btw, big kleenex box plz.

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Touche. Ironically I'm at Walgreen's. Would you like some with soothing aloe to prevent chafing?

I know what you are trying to say but for some of us we arent going to get anymore platinum sadly. To spend the remaining of it on a stupid thing that I dont want wasnt what I would have wanted and am already regretting that I jumped the gun there. If it meant to be temporary act soon and give chance to people to give it back (for some little penalty) that I would think would only be fair. Yes I know people would make full use of it in the meantime but still 15 plats is a lot I could have got another new area for that if it were in da plans.

Les has a point as well - new players have a huge, major disadvantage if they don't buy this item now. G has mentioned that hundreds of new accounts are created everyday. It'll be a shame if I was a new player and just missed out on a vanity that gave me permanent luck bonus.

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Originally Posted by Echelong

Yes prices will eventually go down just like Rift once was more than 1mill to buy. But new items will be expensive even if the drop rate is higher.

I do see the point you are making Physio but also remember that a the majority of players don't use the forums and they will think that little love gives a bonus and they will not pay for big love. This item will be on the store for a week or less (from past similar items) Then it will no longer will be available so other players won't have the luxury of getting it.

Similar permanent bonus could be added to other vanity items.

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That point seems even more unfair to me than anything else. So only forum members will be aware of his and take advantage of it? How is that fair to people who just play the game and don't know about it? Also, like i said, not fair to future players.

So what about the many people who have bought it on the pretence that it were to give us good permanent luck. Theres two sides to everything :-/

I vote for keeping luck. :) We're talking here about a really tiny chance of getting better loot, and we did pay 15 plat in return which is more than the BS campaign costs. They seem to give you a chance to re-roll that's smaller than even the lucky elixir, and that just means you get 2 rolls which are both very unlikely to give pink at all.

Nothing's going to change about the economy. I remember when the lucky elixir first came out all the farmers panicked and went off to town to sell because they thought prices would drop, and then nothing happened. After a few days even hardcore farmers stopped using the elixirs because they were just not worth it.

I like the hat because I would never waste money on a lucky elixir - they're just not cost effective. This way I get to experience the excitement of the occasional re-roll without feeling guilty that I wasted money for it.

If it bothers people so much that it's a platinum item, then maybe after the St. Patricks day event is over the devs could just add a different item as a drop that has the same effect. Maybe a ring which doesn't show up, so people don't complain that everyone looks the same.

Hardcore players will win again. ;_;

Opportunities for a change in my chances like these are always lost.

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

That point seems even more unfair to me than anything else. So only forum members will be aware of his and take advantage of it? How is that fair to people who just play the game and don't know about it? Also, like i said, not fair to future players.

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Actually changelog is mentioned on the starting of game. So I doubt that its unfair then

Why is big luck a grey item?

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

That point seems even more unfair to me than anything else. So only forum members will be aware of his and take advantage of it? How is that fair to people who just play the game and don't know about it? Also, like i said, not fair to future players.

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Not unfair information will give you an edge. When I meet new people I always tell them to visit the forums for info on their classes and other stuff. Its really not hard to check forums once in a while even if its lurking only. I started playing in December and by that time halloween and red and blue antennas where already in the game without a way of me getting them. I don't find it unfair for older players to have them it just proves how long you been playing.

Like you suggested giving bonuses to other items would make players decide on what to use.

Think about it this way, guys.

Let's say the 1-handed gurg hammer had dropped for a week, and got farmed enough to introduce like 50-100 of them into the game. Then the devs changed it so only 2h gurg hammers dropped, but let the people who had the 1h keep them like that. And they could wear shields with them. Do you think that would be fair just because they were there at that point? Sure, it's nice for those who would have gotten the 1h, but would suck for everyone else.

Same idea here. If it's going to have a permanent bonus that affects the game, it needs to be available permanently (or like someone else said, the bonus has to be available on another item -- but not stackable).

Les has it right again. If this Vanity helm has a permanent luck bonus, then this Vanity helm should be available permanently for sale. This is the fairest solution.

And everyone will be clones of each other :)

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

Think about it this way, guys.

Let's say the 1-handed gurg hammer had dropped for a week, and got farmed enough to introduce like 50-100 of them into the game. Then the devs changed it so only 2h gurg hammers dropped, but let the people who had the 1h keep them like that. And they could wear shields with them. Do you think that would be fair just because they were there at that point? Sure, it's nice for those who would have gotten the 1h, but would suck for everyone else.

Same idea here. If it's going to have a permanent bonus that affects the game, it needs to be available permanently (or like someone else said, the bonus has to be available on another item -- but not stackable).

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Could be an option. And yes it should not be stackable with luck pots. The highest one should cancel the other.

Clones on the bosses yes on the towns no... atm I am using a cheap bum look to keep beggar off me. I would use the hat on the bosses with the loadout change and only there.

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Originally Posted by Physiologic

Les has it right again. If this Vanity helm has a permanent luck bonus, then this Vanity helm should be available permanently for sale. This is the fairest solution.

And everyone will be clones of each other :)

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THIS... I agree.

How about the guys who got the one handed gurgox weaps. They were happy to use it and suddenly its a two handed thing. The thing also is that we dint buy the weapon with money. That has to be taken into account. That analogy is flawed in itself. I could buy BS for 10 plats and 15 for this?? Either permanent or return plats would only be fair. I'm out anyways waste of money atleast make full use of it while i can.

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Originally Posted by asommers

ok, we'll consider making them temporary.

-als

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nooooooo!!!!

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

Think about it this way, guys.

Let's say the 1-handed gurg hammer had dropped for a week, and got farmed enough to introduce like 50-100 of them into the game. Then the devs changed it so only 2h gurg hammers dropped, but let the people who had the 1h keep them like that. And they could wear shields with them. Do you think that would be fair just because they were there at that point? Sure, it's nice for those who would have gotten the 1h, but would suck for everyone else.

Same idea here. If it's going to have a permanent bonus that affects the game, it needs to be available permanently (or like someone else said, the bonus has to be available on another item -- but not stackable).

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I don't want to pick at your single point made in this post, but things like that can always be nerfed and it can still remain a part of the game. 15 plat is a justified price for this limited vanity item.

Don't take it to heart when I say this, but you guys take this game too seriously. We're not even sure if it's a major advantage yet. Give it a try before passing the bill.

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Originally Posted by Junside

I don't want to pick at your single point made in this post, but things like that can always be nerfed and it can still remain a part of the game. 15 plat is a justified price for this limited vanity item.

Don't take it to heart when I say this, but you guys take this game too seriously. We're not even sure if it's a major advantage yet. Give it a try before passing the bill.

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Of course I take this game seriously. I enjoy taking it seriously, that's the fun part for me.

if you make it temporary, 15 plat is a lot for a vanity item that bonus is only there for a week

I didn't say it's a perfect analogy, bc nothing like this has been done before.
But items that permanently give an advantage over other players should not be only available temporarily. It's fine to give people a few days of higher drop rates, but then it should be gone.
Or, perhaps it could have just been a St. Patty's event -- higher drop rates for everyone for a week. That way, the people who play the most during that time will get the most out of it, but they won't have any permanent advantage over others.

How about making ALL vanity items available to buy at ALL times?

EXCEPT... when they are "out of season" they cost more than being "in season".

For example, let the bonus stay... but when the "St. Patricks Day season" passes... however long you guys want that to be... it goes up in price.


This can work for every vanity, like someone trying to buy Christmas vanity items can buy them right now even if they had a bonus, but for a higher price... since it is not Christmas time. Only when Christmas comes around again will the price drop for the season, and new items can be added also.

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

I didn't say it's a perfect analogy, bc nothing like this has been done before.
But items that permanently give an advantage over other players should not be only available temporarily. It's fine to give people a few days of higher drop rates, but then it should be gone.
Or, perhaps it could have just been a St. Patty's event -- higher drop rates for everyone for a week. That way, the people who play the most during that time will get the most out of it, but they won't have any permanent advantage over others.

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But still, for those who have bought it for 15 plat, we should get a refund then because we bought a item with PERMANENT luck, not temporary

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Originally Posted by Survivorfan

if you make it temporary, 15 plat is a lot for a vanity item that bonus is only there for a week

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15 plat is $2.50 USD. It's not like it is costing anyone twenty bucks. WoW is $15 a month just to play. Not to mention most of us here have spent more than 15 plat on expansions, other vanity items, whatever. We all have touchscreen devices, data plans, Internet, etc...the odds of $2.50 putting most people here in the poor house are not that great, imo. It's the cost of a Big Mac.

/reserving judgment until further notice.

So will this vanity be gone in a week if i buy it?

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Originally Posted by Survivorfan

But still, for those who have bought it for 15 plat, we should get a refund then because we bought a item with PERMANENT luck, not temporary

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Yes, I already said I agree with that, to an extent. STS is usually good with refunds, and I think if they make it temp, they could probably refund it as long as the refund is requested within a day or two (?). Maybe they can also adjust the price accordingly. I dunno what thy would do, I'm just giving suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Moogerfooger

15 plat is $2.50 USD. It's not like it is costing anyone twenty bucks. WoW is $15 a month just to play. Not to mention most of us here have spent more than 15 plat on expansions, other vanity items, whatever. We all have touchscreen devices, data plans, Internet, etc...the odds of $2.50 putting most people here in the poor house are not that great, imo. It's the cost of a Big Mac.

/reserving judgment until further notice.

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lol, big mac
but there still is that part where a temporary item is not worth 15 plat