Nope once your in ignore there's no going out and me actually messaging you would only get me banned so i say no and I though you were a girl as elly is a girl name so no hard feelings IGNORE you will stay ...
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You do realize by flaming and causing drama by calling others out, you're just providing more evidence as to what the OP had problems with on the forums? You ignored him; I'm not going to judge you for it. Calling it out though just calls for drama. Just my thoughts! :)
Cheers
~Parth
Even though, I am quoting Ellyidol here, I am responding to Apollo's last post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellyidol:480083
I'm sorry, but I do not know how to quote from two different posts while using this forum app. If I did know, I would have done that to make things easier.
Apollo's last post was trying to point out to Supaprodigy that he was "flaming and causing drama by 'calling out' Ellyidol". He then went on to say that Supaprodigy was doing what the OP was talking about.
Hmmm... read the quote and the quote within the quote that I put at the top of this post. Can you see the point that I am about to make?
This was Supaprodigy's first post in this thread and Ellyidol's first response. Who called out who?
I have seen a lot of flaming and drama on this forum, but to literally call someone out is not something I have seen that often. And that is what Ellyidol did here.
This is what happens a lot:
Guy A: some seasoned, board elite, that loves to go around policing other's makes some sort of rude comment that completely violates the letter and the spirit of the forum rules. But they think their comment is pretty awesome.
Guy B: some newer person, not necesarily even new, just newer, not one of this "in crowd" tries to defend themselves.
Guy A and/or Guy A's buddies flame Guy B, accusing Guy B of starting trouble. When it was Guy A all along.
Sometimes, the reason why Guy A and his buddies act this way, or at least the way it seems, is that a few Guy A's act and maybe actually even think that the supposed "rules" they spend countless hours enforcing don't apply to them and their buddies ONLY to others.
Other times, the reason Guy A and his buddies act this way, is they JUST NOT THINKING STRAIGHT.
But this is exactly what happened here. Suparaprodigy didn't mention anyone by name at all. The "calling out" was someone else.
This happens all the time.
If Guy A starts a problem, why doesn't Guy A handle it instead of letting his buddies do all the dirty work?
This happens all the time. Don't believe me?
Someone in this thread mentioned xxxmikelxxx and how badly he was treated in the thread he made about the high level rudes.
I think if there is anyone who has any harsh feelings or negative thoughts about xxxmikelxxx, they really ought to reconsider. 90 minutes before he started that thread about the high-level ruddess, he was jumped by one of the board elites on another thread. It was like his 8th post. He talked about finally working up the nerve to post on the forum. He does, and some "forum police" jumped him. Because this BRAND NEW member didn't live up to these precious high-standards of hyper-perfectionism that a handful of people try to enforce.
And I watched and waited thru every comment to see if this guy was going to 'fess up and say what happened and try to explain, kinda apologize like:
xxxmikelxxx, i hope I didn't offend you, i wasnt trying to, i was just saying. .................. etc. but, NOPE, never happened.
This guy sat there and let xxxmikelxxx take the heat for days, some of the rudest most obnoxious comments ever made. Even tho this guy who started the problem posted several times on the thread before it was locked. He had plenty of chances to 'fess up and try to diffuse the situ and try to help the forum as a whole and this new player in particular. But he chose not to.
So, please people just cause someone is not part of the elite, top-level members on this board, we all have the same rights and responsibilities.
There is NO double standard. Several times in several different posts, in just the last few days, someone said, "how dare you critisize someone so well respected" or something to that affect. There is NO double standard. You shouldn't flame/disrespect anyone". There is no double standard. It's not ok to disrepect ANYONE.
Too long a post to quote. To be honest, it was water under the bridge. It wouldn't take any form of high intelligence to recognize who he was calling out. Simple knowledge of brief forum history is more than enough to point out what he was implying. Of course, I don't assume that anyone else recall said history, which is why I asked if I should bother pointing it out.
I'm sorry, but trying to wittingly call me out is as equally offensive as stating my name outright. Most especially since I know who he is referring to.
Again, I could care less about someone who's caps bar was probably stuck in when he typed his name out (see what I did there?), but to call me out, obviously to me, I will answer to.
And yes, there is a double standard. I don't mean this in any condescending way, but it almost takes one to see it. Countless times has the phrase or comment "Oh because he's a GoA." been used or been played. Something that any player could have said, done, or achieved without the title.
I will stand by what I said, it seems that our comments and opinions are seen as GoA produced rather than personally produced.
Finally, please do not try and ride a band-wagon or wave against me. That's only a point against you and I actually find it fun.
PS. Settle anything with me in my inbox. As mentioned, I agree that this is a wonderful thread and would like to prevent it from erupting due to historical caps and exclamation points.
Ellyidol, no, I have no idea what is going on 'tween you and sup. If it is something major or something minor, I am sorry it is happening. But, I have no idea what it isw. I read General Discussion almost everyday, except during the Halloween weeks and kinda hit and miss since. So if something is going on that you are assuming others no about, it either did not happen in General Discussion or it happened during these times I just mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellyidol:480801
But it doesn't matter.
Why? Because supra didn't use any names, was trying to follow forum rules by not mentioning names. So, maybe lots knew what is the prob. Idk. But, he was trying to follow rules, you called him out. But what I was responding to was Apollo, who quoted supra from much later in this thread, totally ignoring the facts and accused him, when he really wasn't the one that started it. He was trying to say he thoughts in a way that would be consistent with the forum idea of not flaming, etc.
LOL, omg, don't you think that the comment about "all caps" bit out of line. Lot's of people have all caps in their name. Doesn't Necroreaper? No one is trying or should try to be petty, ok?
I have no idea what goin on tween you and prod, I am truely not taking sides, i dont even know what it is. I was pointing out how there is such an awful rude double standard.
And "bandwagon/wave of hate", I again, have no idea what your talking about. It's not happening in this thread. And if it is happening in other places, then it shouldn't be. A bandwagon of hate would be ridic and awful and not something I would be interested in.
Like I mentioned, obvious calling out, whether obvious to me or someone else, is equally as potent as stating my name outright.
I'll admit, yes I did call him out, in fact, I should have done that via private messaging. That was my mistake, I apologize. I guess you learn something new everyday. Next time, I'll leave out names but explicitly imply who I mean.
Ake, please note that this discussion doesn't mean that I have anything against you. I completely agree with what you said, everyone should be treated with respect. If my responses, past and current, prove to be disrespectful, please point them out so I can be made aware.
I know what you mean, about that you knew that he was talking about you. Just like the guy that started the trouble with xxxmikelxxx knows who I am talking about. I am not mentioning names in hopes he will be honest and come forth. And also, to specifically respect the ideals of the forum rules i.e. don't flame anyone. But the guy that caused the problem for xxxmikelxxx knows exactly who I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellyidol:480822
But, see, that is what prod was at least trying to do. Sure, you and anyone else that is personally aware of the situ would also know. But the point is, he tried to state his opinion with out flaming an actual indvidual.
And please, I have nothing against you. I have not seen bandwagon / wave of hate against you. If I did I would have spoken out against it. People should be able to say what they want to say without spreading hate/flames.
So, if you serious about bandwagon of hate, they need to stop being so childish and arrogant.
I think bandwagon or wave of hate would be awful to have to put up with, I am sorry that is happening.
Yes, I see your point. In fairness, though, I tried to limit any flaming possible in my first post towards him. I don't think I burnt him outright, but gave him the choice to be reminded of the past.
All is good in my book. Told you it was dramception. Drama injected ;)
PM'd you Aikiebo, as I want to try and diffuse the drama from here.
Yes, I see that you did try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellyidol:480837
Please, understand, I'm not trying to get involved in this situ tween the two of ya. I have not idea what going on, none of my business. I truly hope it works out for both of you.
I was just using this as an exanmple of what happens all the time, but already explained all that. Truly not trying to foucus on ur guy's situ. I don't even know what it is. I was just usingt this as example of what happens on the forum.
@Apollo
I wasn't trying to flame you or anything, I was just pointing out what happens all the time. The actual specifics of that situ is none of my business and I hope no one has to put up with hate cuz of it.
Thank you for pm'ing me. But, lol, won't do much good. Cuz I'm not sure I get my pm on this device. But, I know I can not respond, I have tried. I am very sorry about that. So not trying to ignore your pm at all.
But not to worry, I'm not worried about the specifics of this situ. I was just pointing out what happens all the time. When you made that post to Supaprod, I doubt you even ment to do what I was saying. Prob just posting in haste or w/e. I know you not trying to start prob. on purpose. I was just using that as an example of how it is unfair to newer people sometimes - a lot of times. That is all.
Oh yeah, and dramception, lol.
Nor am I trying to involve anyone, as a matter of fact.
I have to thank you, more than anything, for pointing out the behavior. I'll take note of it and improve it in the future. Thanks. Sincerely, no sarcasm.
what ever it is i don't care anymore i will drop this as of now and if i offended you in anyway im sorry but when i posted here i never meant to hurt anyones feelings... so sorry and have a nice day
SUPAPRODIGY and having all caps in your name it just stands out from the others so see what i mean good day
SP...
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This thread is proving Zheo's point.
^ yes it is if goes any further I will quit Forums,PocketLegends and Starlegends forever..
:( so sad such an amazing piece of games and i will leave with nothing for people to remember me as farewell ..
SP....
For a person that purports to complain about forum drama, this thread has created quite a bit of what he/she finds so distasteful.
Here's my thing...I believe the forums should be ran by moderators hand picked by the devs themselves Cuz right now imo this is community ran which is good sometimes but it seems like a few members tend to think that they are the Developers gift to the forums. I remember a few weeks ago my grammar was attacked by 2 very known people of our community because they thought I was being rude....there is no tone in text so it is impossible to know how someone feels...but like I said I just completely ignore those type of people now.... yeah that's all I got to say.
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Thx for being the voice of this community!
- Every main topic, and most of the minor ones, that can be covered, have been covered. Maybe the OP doesn't know how to use the search
function. Maybe they didn't find the information they wanted. Maybe they just want to make their own post. In the end, what does it matter??
Seriously, if there are 20 threads on where is the best place to farm gold, does one more post hurt?? Maybe, just maybe, someone found a
better spot then is listed in any of the first 20 threads.
- If I'm not allowed to create a thread that has been created before, why can't I post on an old thread? I mean, I have a question that I want
answered. I see that there is a thread asking the question, I would like more information. Oh wait, the thread is over two weeks old. I am not
allowed to post on there, or I will be "frowned upon" for necro-posting. Or maybe I have been gone for awhile, and this is my first time back on
the forums. I see a funny thread, and would like to add to it. But now I can't because it's been too long. Shame on me.
- You have written the same opinion on power leveling, double posting, creating a similar thread, necro-posting, post boosting, and whatever else
you "frown upon". Search for it. If I can't create a similar thread, you can't give me a similar opinion.
On the topic of the first three points: Honestly, I only hate necro-posting when people do it for fun. When they have a question, regardless of if the OP is present on forums, it doesn't really interfere with my life. If you post on an old thread, people will tell you to create a new thread, but when you create a new thread, they say to use the search function. You may find an old thread with the information you want, but it isn't enough so why not post on that old thread than make a new one? I concur, it doesn't hurt anyone.
- I didn't know there were so many english majors on here. If I spell a word wrong, forget a punctuation, use a wrong abbreviation, or do
something else that "frowned upon" by the english language, so what?? Did you get the message I was trying to get across?? Yes, move on.
No, ask for clarification. However, the fact that you are correcting me, says you got the point I was making.
Ehhh, I only do this for people I hope not to offend. Like Parth for instance, we have our tom-foolery of correctly each other and our friends. But I agree that some people sometimes just pot to correct instead of providing their opinion or any thing helpful.
- Did I double post? Yes. This affects you how?
A lot of people double-post. I double-post, and most of the time I say sorry for double-posting. Most people just don't like it when there is an option to correct in the Edit area rather than post again, which goes into the fact why people think it also raises their post-count.
- I can buy 1.5x, 2x, 3x, and 4x elixers with plat. Guess what? I just paid STS to power level me. Power leveling is "frowned upon". Are you
"frowning upon" STS right now? No, then get over it. I agree people need to learn to play the game. They can learn how to play any way they
want. I personally don't power level someone, unless I know them, or they have another toon, and know how to play. If I host a game and a
bad player joins, I still finish the run. I try to teach them how to play. If after a couple runs, they show they don't care to learn, I boot them...
with a real reason. Technically, they aren't power-leveling you, they're providing a boost. It is only frowned upon if you are power-leveling someone who just hasn't experienced the game. I actually learned more grinding to 61.... i didn't know there was a graveyard in Haunted Symphony.......
- My opinion is just that... mine. Give me your opinion, comments, or thoughts. Don't tell me how stupid, wrong, or noobish I am. Because at
that point, your opinion is as stupid, wrong, or noobish as you think mine is. Haters gon' hate. And if you aren't getting hated on, you aren't doing it right.
H-having
A-anger
T-towards
E-everyone
R-reaching
S-success
- You are boosting your post count by complaining that I'm boosting my post count. I agree, sometimes it is nagging. But sometimes it is just a point of saying, 'Really?' I could care less about my post-count.
- A post count is a number. You don't win a prize for the most posts of the day. You rep meter is green or red. Kinda like the Christmas colors.
I won't think less of you because your bar is red. I see people on here with 3 or 4 green bars. I think they do more flaming than most people.
But, since the main group of forum people keep giving them thumbs up, they get lots of green bars. Those people have red bars in my eyes. I concur. This needs to be set in stone and shown to all...On you saying us with green bars are in your eyes, red bars kind of people, I don't agree, yet you have your opinion. Though a bit contradictory as you said green bars, or red bars, you don't judge...
- "Frowning upon" someone is an idle threat. Do you pay attention to idle threats in real life? No, then stop giving them out on here.
- Don't say I'm walking on thin ice. In case you haven't realized, you can't really do anything to me. Again, idle threat. Just kind of a warning. I suppose it comes across rude but believe it or not, devs do ban...
- I bet one on the "english majors" on here has found something wrong with this post. Your statement, but who cares if you are corrected.
- I bet there is stuff I'm leaving out. Can't fit everything into one post buddy.
- I bet there isn't a thread like this that's been made. If there is, I won't know. I didn't search for it. There isn't nor would anyone search for it.
I pondered this all, and I thought of many things.
Here is logic that may not be useful to some:
If you take for steps forward to become almighty, yet take three steps back to solve a problem that doesn't partake in your life, you take two steps forward to be granted honor for your work in solving said problem, whilst taking one step back to continue...
And this thread has made me think deeply on all of its contents. Not to say I agree with it all, but the majority.
I wouldn't want to see you go, but I will indeed catch you in-game.
Sincerely,
-we
I was talking to one of the people that have posted on this thread, and they told me that it had a lot of traffic, and I needed to check it out. I wasn't expecting to see so many responses.
First of all, I'd like to thank everyone who has read this, whether they posted or not. As I told the person in game, If at least two people, as well as themselves, change what they are doing, then maybe that will spread to others. This thread was not created to complain about what I see as issues in the forums. I created this thread to explain why I was leaving, and to give the ones that read this points to ponder. I can, however, see where on would take it as complaining. What I tried to convey was criticism, not complaining.
There are a few things that I have realized in reading all of the responses in this thread. I'd like to respond to some of them...
There are more people on here unhappy with the attitudes that get portrayed on here, then are satisfied. This should tell everyone that they need to check what they say, before they hit reply. As I told the person in game, "self evaluation is a very important lesson to learn in life". Before you write a response, re-read it. Put yourself in the shoes of someone reading it. What message/attitude are you wanting to portray?? Is that message/attitude really being portrayed?? If not, delete and re-write.
There are more people on here that do offer constructive criticism, then don't. The problem is, they don't post for fear that their opinion will be mocked. What some people fail to realize is that there is a difference between arguing and debating. Supa and Elly = argument. Elly and Aikiebo = debating. If you are responding to what someone said while angry, that is an argument. Let it go. Or, come back later, and write a constructive response.
Elly - You are 100% spot on. The rant threads on here do seem to far outweigh the informative, seeking information, pointing out a bug, etc threads. This will add to the overall perception that the forums are negative. Unfortunately, we can't stop the people from starting these threads. However, we can stop responding to them. Has anyone reading this ever had a time in their life where they just wanted to talk, and have someone listen to them, without responding?? Why can't that be what a rant thread is??
I don't blame the GoA, AoA, or SG programs. I blame the people that think that title makes them better than anyone. Think of this the next time you feel that way... Will you be putting that you are a GoA, AoA, or SG title on your resume?? If no, then let that feeling go. In reality, it should be an honor to be one. You should feel, and act, honored to be one, not empowered. I think the devs need to monitor these people more closely. If they are constantly showing that they can no longer represent the community well, they should strip them of the title.
I do agree the rep bars need to disappear. It does nothing to add to the conversations that should be taking place. I am given the option to add to you rep, or report the post. In the game we can report a scam, inappropriate language, or inappropriate name. I don't think the majority of the reported posts don't qualify for these categories. Also, if you downgrade my rep because you disagree with what I'm saying, and you post a response to what I'm saying that is inflammatory, your rep should be automatically downgraded. The people doing that are the same ones that say "I'm allowed to give my opinion". Guess what?? So is the previous poster. If you think you can state your opinion in anyway you want, so can they. I refer back to my original post... "If you have nothing nice to say, or nothing to add to the conversation, don't say anything at all".
Gluttony's view on how the negativity started, is valid. However, in the instance given, was post #1 made as soon as the bug was discovered?? Maybe the devs saw #2 before they saw #1. The title to #2 definitely draws attention to the post. If I remember correctly, there were a number of post at the time hating on the SoH. Maybe people thought #1 was "just another one of those ranting threads". Your point is often proven in real life by the saying "the person screaming the loudest, is often the only one heard". They are usually not right though. LOL
I should have said in my OP "Most of what I see on this site is uncreative, unsupportive, annoying, and drama filled." I did not mean the entire site is this way.
DanielRH's motto should be made law.
It's good to see that some people that have read this, looked back at old post they made, and saw mistakes. Or, after reading this, they realized they do some of it themselves. Hopefully, they will truly change.
It would be an honor to have this thread stickied, though I agree with Elly that it probably won't due to the topic being about quitting. If the devs wanted me too, I could write a new thread, saying the same things, just not in the context of quitting.
I really do appreciate all the comments that have been made on here. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who was feeling this way. If you'd like to talk to me about anything I've said, feel free to message me in game.
we, are you all right?Quote:
Originally Posted by WoundedEagle:481030
There are several points that I would like to respond to in this post. But, I'm not sure, well, exactly what to do. Do we need to finish discussing matters from that other post? If so, how should we do it? Don't know if it would be appropriate to discuss it here or what?
Take it easy.