selfish? yes i am and i have the right to be. Just like people who had founders helm dont want everybody to have one.. you dont just say oh u had enough time to enjoy it and take it away.
selfish? yes i am and i have the right to be. Just like people who had founders helm dont want everybody to have one.. you dont just say oh u had enough time to enjoy it and take it away.
You can't stop about forunders helm can you? :D So many times we repeated, how different those 2 matters are. I can only agree, that you have full right to be selfish person. As well as you have right to be choleric, rude, bad, good-natured or kind... thats your choice. Talking about "exclusive rights" for item like elite ring is only may show which of previous choices you picked.
theres no end to this argument
people who have the rings will disagree and people like you who are trying to snatch the ring will agree to your hearts content... after all you guys dont have anything to lose on the other hand we have something at stake
^ I have 2pc rings on 2 character, just to clarify what is my peronal state in this matter. Yes, I honestly admit, that aplying this would bring me bigger benefits than to you, 3pc ring guys. Well, let's be frank and say, that almost none for you. I absolutely agree that grinding such a xp for some vanity only isn't worth for everyone. But actually 2pc ring is also pretty good and I'd loose my advantage to those who has none atm. Does this bother me? No.
But some you old folks only think about yourselves and that's what bothers me and makes me sad. None of you ever replied or countered my multiply repeated argument, that you were having benefits for years. Years of being top and above others. After going ahead Argyros's play, You would obviously still be top. Just not above others, at least in case of rings.
Don't consider that as your loose, but as others gain, thats the positive point of view. I disagree that all people having rings now would hate this idea. I know many of them, who are wishing for others.
Perhaps I just can't feel into your position, however I think I tried. Perhaps the feeling owerpower is to addictive to share at least some part of it with others. Perhaps I judge you wrong for actig like you do... I don't know, but I believe its not like that.
There is no end to this argument? First off, you assuming this is an argument(which apparently it is now, but be can do it formally), and you assuming no one has found a solvent. Well, as I have stated, I have an elite ring already. This is a classic example of a, "ad hominem," fallacy. If you don't know what that is, here is a definition-
ad hominem: Latin for "to the man." An arguer who uses ad hominems attacks the person instead of the argument. Whenever an arguer cannot defend his position with evidence, facts or reason, he or she may resort to attacking an opponent either through: labeling, straw man arguments, name calling, offensive remarks and anger.
" and people like you who are trying to snatch the ring will agree to your hearts content..."
What is at stake? The pain of seeing players grind for a ring that you both worked for equally?
Cheenivie, as an old time Xplicit officer, I am wondering why you don't see the fault in his post? No one can control the laziness of others, I can't control myself not being able to cap at nuris because by the time I was near the cap, Mt. Fang came around.
(No, this is not a flame post, and I'm as tranquil as a narwhal swimming in the ocean ^^)
Argument: an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
how is this not an argument?
I disagree with your solution.
Can't I express my thoughts?
I posted what I believe to be right
It looks to me that you quoted, agreed, and thanked people who agreed with ur thoughts and criticized most people who disagreed with you.
People who are int Mage with 3 piece actually do very well vs bears with no cap ring. Pallys aren't tricky they're luck with 3 piece. They can dodge hell get pulled in hit with crushing and SMS they heal it off while they debuff and tank a bear while they wait for hs to reload. Or more often then not they dodge hs and pull so even if SMS hits they can heal and tank. Only if all hs SMS pull and other skills hit does it become tricky, but then they heal and the luck cycle starts all over again.
Also to everyone else who only claims the reason more people don't have cap rings because they were too "lazy" to do so is a speculation. I gather only a handful of people didnt feel like grinding that much while others who might have just joined the game late and couldn't cap 2-3 if they wanted to because it was too late.
I know you don't need a three piece to be good, but it sure helps. No doubt about that. And I agree with each had there choices after the 56 cap, but I think he means for the new people, who joined this cap or prior cap. Even I wish I had capped, I'm a founder, but 56 I didn't know there was gonna be a bonus, 61 I didn't have a device to play on, 66 I capped, 71 I was in the hospital with some pretty life changing stuff, (no I was not in the whole time but a game was the last thing on my mind.), and 76 I was back to cap again. Sometimes it's not saying "It's too much xp I'm not gonna cap." Yet life wouldn't allow it. That's just my case tho. And I don't mean to be offensive. :) was just saying what I think.
I have not "criticized" one single person in this thread, except you. That is, if we go by the definition below-
Criticize- to find fault; judge unfavorably or harshly.
I believe I criticized you for a very legitimate reason as well. Here is the quote-
Three posts, using the the bare minimum of 3 letters, posting the exact same thing, is pointless. I do not want to have to handle idle posts on a non-troll thread. If you were serious (I'm not doubting you) then you could have just thanked one of the previous, "I do," posts.
I am fine with people disagreeing with my idea. Each post for me takes about 15-30mins to write. For the people who have agreed with my post, I just thank them. As much as I would really like to quote them, I save that for the people who are controversial, or have questions.
People may disagree, but I can't control that. I can provide them with all the facts and proof as I can muster in text and images however. Speaking of which, if you have another question, or possible problem with my suggestion, feel free to post it, ImHawk.
I could care less if people had founders, and I have one. And what are they taking away from you? Nothing, they are giving everyone a chance to catch up to you item wise. And if it really doesn't help in pvp, why don't all the 3PC people not use them? You scared? ;) I'm kidding obviously haha, but you see my point hopefully. I have a 2 ring on my mage, and when I take it off, there is a Notable difference. It requires more skill to not die and more attacks to kill. If I can notice the difference on a 2pc, I can imagine the difference on a 3PC dragon ring toon. People can say "It doesn't help" but it does. It gives a winning advantage. A pally with no ring vs my int mage with no ring is a joke, I can kill them easy. But a pally with 3PC dragon vs my 2PC is just dumb. They do enough damage to kill me with 2 skills and an auto, let alone the dodge factor.
Edit: This was a test I did with a pally friend of mine. I'm not just saying it. No ring vs no ring I won, and when he equipped the ring he had, 3PC dragon, and when I equipped the ring I had, he won 70% of the time, I would estimate.
i never said it doesnt help in PvP that was angeldawn, you can go ahead and find all my comments,Ive never said that...
learn whats going on instead of accusing people
giving everyone to catch up just isnt fair...
might as well give everyone to have a chance at getting the egg so they can "catch up"
sometimes life isnt fair..
if you miss your opportunity thats that....
not trying to make STS available to you because you were either to lazy to cap or you came late
Dang, I ran out of thanks. Is it just me, or are the same things being said over and over again by Argyros? Lol.
The thing is, we still have an opportunity, it's called new caps. Just atm we can't get them, and no new caps are around. A 3 piece ring is not an exclusive item, the vanities are, the ring is not, as somewhere in the future it is obtainable. We simply were saying if we did the same amount of work, maybe more, to get a 3PC ring as it already took, it would make the "elite" obtainable by all. The vanities would stay exclusive, saying you did it when you did. And define came late? It's not like this game is a class that you have to be at at 8AM. It is a game, and when was the last time you saw it on the top lists or featured in the App Store? A long time. So people find it whenever they find it. It's not their fault for "coming late." :)
I understand that not everything is fair. This thread is not meant to find new ways for a player to obtain an egg. The egg won't last because it is a l76 item, new items may come. Rings will always be important.
The same players don't always have to stay above everyone else. Is that what you want? Is that what you think is fair? Letting older players stay above regular players stat-wise? Forever? That is exactly what will happen.
It is completley fair because unlike new players the older players earned every bit of it. For capping 83k-100k xp 3+ timesQuote:
Originally Posted by Argyros:1439139
Ok put it like this you had a chance to get a job interview and you showed up late so you didn't get the job it happens and you wait for your next chance, sometimes you will have to wait longer and right now that is the case they came later something popped up and they couldn't make it on time. They made something for the players who don't have 2-3piece, it's called dragon rings which are very comparable to 2piece rings. I have classes with no rings and I do just fine with them and I can match with players with 3piece rings, I've never used the excuse of rings. I waited and worked hard for my ring and now I think it's the others turn to wait. Yea I know what you're gonna say, you've said the same thing the 5previous pages "they should have a chance blahblahblah" and "its not their fault they werent there blahblahblah" I can say it's not my fault I didn't cap at sewers and nuris so give me the bonuses others got, no it doesn't work like that....
If you didn't read through the thread, one of the factors to this suggestion, is that a player must (to get elite ring)-
•1st, reach level 76. (100kxp from 75-76)
•2nd, complete all the elite quests. (Ie shadow minion)
•3rd, they must go to fallen prince, start new xp gain, and grind up 100k more xp purely from bsm.
•4th, they must complete another elite quest, after which they may get a 2pc ring or finish off their 3pc ring.
•5th, they must start another xp gain (100k xp), which is from bsm only again.
•6th, they must complete another difficult elite quest, after which they may craft a 3pc.
If someone did all that, how would they not deserve it? Is it simply because they are newer to the game? Well, the players who capped in sewers were new to the game as well. Why not give new players the chance to earn every bit of it?
I'm done here this is a waste of time, you guys just don't understand that this was given to the players who played previous caps.
Ciao
I'm just saying, unless you are an original Crown of Persistence 3 piece set holder - you don't really have the right to give an opinion on the matter because you too were given the chance at elite rings, were you not? Now, when other people are asking for that same opportunity - you say no? Give me a break!
Originally, the Humania Crown did not apply the vanity bonus and did not complete the set.
Food for thought & something to consider.
First off, I'd like you to know that the post wasn't in reference to you but was something said in general.
Anyways, when you were given the opportunity to re-earn something that others worked their butts off for, I did not see you complaining about it - right? It's the same concept applied here. What's the big deal about giving others a 3 piece ring? Most of the people in end game now were given the same chance.
After all, now when we kill them in PvP, the only excuses they will have now is:
1. Lag
2. Low Battery
3. I had a wedgie.
Lol, I had a wedgie. How can you spontaneously have a wedgie??
EDIT: I read up on wedgies. Found some great pics as well as realizing that a wedgie can happen naturally.
Well, it seems we are jammed on one matter about what is fair and what is correct which was pretty expectable, I just failed and didn't expect it :)
Anyway, to move the discussion on a little bit, let me throw in some bit diffeternt matter, pretty much related to this.
We are mostly considering and discussing personal reasons, or reason related to some group of players, to vindicate purposes. Let's think more globally, think about what is good for whole game. First of, I'd like to make clear, that what I'm sometimes trying to explain requires higher level of language, then what I'm comfortable with. Please read all of my posts with this knowledge, and be lenient about my expressions :)
PL is not in it's best days, I think we all may agree on this. The main reason is lack of new content, especially new level cap, also agreed I hope. But for keeping the game alive and cool as we know it, we still need active and excited players. Eventhough PVP is the main part of the game for a lot of you, without some necesary level of activity in PVE and on the market, the game will suffer and keep dying. And what is the new pure blood into veins of PL? Are those us, old, skilled and mostly rich players? No, I don't think so. It's the population of new players, who levels through dungeons, form active supply/demand on items, keep market alive and who are the engine of the game organysm actually.
So, If you agree with me till this point, you also know, that those players I talk about need motivation, something to find a joy of playing. But the only thing they find out now, after some time of playing, that reaching cap is not so big achievement, and it's most likely all what can they do. The future about new cap is unsure and I cant find any new goals, or at least expectations and excitement for upcomming goals for those players. What only they see around is group of old, grinded players, which had much more content to enjoy, using some extra benefits. I seriously think this must be demotivating feeling, and reason to exit the game perhaps.
By accepting this plan (or some other similar one) as good one, despite of loosing some benefits which are now exclusive for you, you might be rewarded by the player base improvement, which helps the whole game to be better, even without some other new content.
Please don't expect others to wait patiently for new cap, which isn't even sure to come. Rather accept the changes, and let something go on. Opposite scenario may be pretty catastrophic. We will be loosing player community, and at the end, whole PL will be group of old loyal players doing PVP fights over and over. Market will by destroyed without demands of average leveling player, there wuld be noone to buy your items and also with decreasing number of players, STG will be lowering the attention (logicaly) more and more, till some hoper for new content will be completely forgotten.
**You do not need a 3 piece ring to be good**
http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?t=133141
You guys still don't get it. It not about having an advantage or better stats. It's that I was here for every cap and I chose to grind every cap for what I earned. By doing so I was also supporting STS.
EVERYONE was giving the same choice to make I did.
-Scrolling through the apple store 3 years ago
- down loading PL
- leveling and completing quest
- capping at 56 (where it was then known CoP gave stats)
- capping more than one toon
- staying till Nuri came
- capping more than one toon
-staying till Fang
- capped many toons
- staying till humania
- capping even more toons
- staying for BSM
- capping even more toons.
I have never left pl. I have been loyal since the first day I played. Every quest, every challenge PL has thrown at me I have tried. I was not lazy. I even did the Overachievers Race. I did not give up on capping ever. Since 61 cap I've been in the top few to cap every cap. I never gave up on the waiting for a new cap.
It's not only the capping, it's also about being loyal and staying around.
Every person in this tread had made decision that lead them here. I'm sorry if the choices I made are better than yours. But no matter how much grinding you do, I don't think you deserve the exact same item as me unless you cap as the caps are current.
And I do believe that comparing the ring to founders, volconut, egg, and overachievers helm is the same thing. These items were given for a limited time for completing certain tasks. You weren't here during that time or didn't complete that task. The item is no longer available.
A substitutable ring is ok but not the same exact one. You didn't earn it. And frankly if STS did give the exact same rings id be extremely pissed.