Not sure I get the problem. That isn't even a KT4 screenshot.
Not sure I get the problem. That isn't even a KT4 screenshot.
Amazing guide, sadly I do not want to leave my guild for more guides :/ maybe some friendly sharing? (grinded with gold :D) Anyway, I see alot of work here! +1
More guides will be released ove time. Keep an eye out.
Note: Kraag 4 is also awesome for essence farming. Get essences while leveling pets and farming for crates!
well I dont know, but wt4 good if you have very good party :-) me and few strangers have got 6mins time for whole lap (no boss) that was my personal record! I believe you could not beat it with Kraag tombs? But later we will try it out! Still one of the best guides out here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serancha
Try it out. I solo kraag in around 3 minutes, with all mobs and all 3 bosses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syberg
Instead of runing Kraag Tombs, I called ishxmeet and we were runing Watchers' Tombs Fourth Level. So we, two sorcerers got amazing things out of this! 4mins(a bit over).
After few runs ish called his friends and we ran again, that was even better! We ran it in less than 4 mins (well few seconds, but still).
You just need to have strategies and good equipment. If you dont have myth items, or you are not sorcerer then I believe that Kraag is better..
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/14/sa9uba2u.jpg
(this was not our fastest run, but I thought of making screenshot at last run :( )
We havent killed boss and ~5mobs (Witches has more HP and as we have been doing speed runs :/)
Yes, but you need to read the rest of the original post regarding the fact that over half the mobs you kill in WT4 count for 0 pve and 0 exp. If you like killing useless mobs, be my guest. The purpose of this guide is about efficiency, nothing else.
But if you kill all mobs useless or usefull ones faster than KT mobs it means more XP/Min :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Serancha
A decent team can run Kraag in 1:30 - 2 min. The math is all there, the point has been made. People can do with it what they wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syberg
Ehh I just can say I am have been beaten ._. Sorry for complaining!Quote:
Originally Posted by Serancha
Just one thing: Its not that easy as WT..
For my mage KT takes about 5minutes, you say that in WT it takes time to spawn mobs from the floor, but you it takes time to get those pulls at KT! At WT4 you just run around and all mobs will follow you pretty fast, at KT4 if you run alone its slower since more mobs are at rooms (walls slow down mobs since they want to follow you in direct line) so for soloing I think WT is slighty better than KT (and about those Witches, rogue should be able to kill them in one hit, so why not to take rogue along?)
But yes, for party KT4 IS better :-)
The witches spawn skeletons two times. The first group that spawns gives xp, and if you're late enough to kill witch, there will be more skeletons that don't give xp. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Serancha
That's what we need to do. Kill witch after 1st set of mobs in wt4
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You may be right! I believe you mean that those "Floor Spawns" Are exacly just Witches?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishtmeet
Yes the mobs those spawn from ground are because of witches. You may test it. Pull 1 witch, kill the first set of mobs spawned and wait till other set comes. The first set will give you kills and as well as xp 2nd set will not give.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syberg
In practical: A wt4 without elixirs give you around 220 xp and 220 kills approx. If those skeletons didn't give xp, how do we get so much xp then? Its just because of those witches ? There are no more than 40 witches. But I feel kt4 is also a good way to get xp too. Depends on the player what he chooses, and I prefer watcher tombs FTW.
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So.. you mean Kraag Tomb 4 is better than Watchers Tomb 4 in Leveling and Hunt Essences?
Thanks for clearing it up :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishtmeet
I was just shocked that WT worse than KT :D
But I think its depends on class which one is better, for me as a sorcerer WT4 is second home, while rogues will have hard time of those mobs spawning around (Everyone know that rogue is stroner when there are less mobs). And when in KT4 No one spawn anything and mobs number not increasing its pretty easy to kill mobs fast.
Now only problem is warrio, What is best for this tanking class?
(Its written only about solo!)
One of our guild mate just made It to top 25 in pve kills (warrior). He prefers Wt4 for fast runs. I can conclude. Wt4= fast runs, more potions and lil more xp than kt4.
Kt4= fast runs(faster than wt4, less potions and 60-70 less xp per run than wt4)
Both are same :)
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After reading this thread,I level up my low level mage in KT4 and it works way better in all ways.(Less potions wasted,faster,more essences)
Actually neither set gives xp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishtmeet
To test witches without anything else involved, use the very beginning of Watchers Tomb 3. There are 3 witches there that you can fight without triggering any other mobs.
There are a lot of mobs that spawn from the floor if you go slowly. These mobs are not witch spawns, but can be mistaken for them, which is why people sometimes think witch mobs give exp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syberg
Probably about the same for essences, but definitely Kraag for xp, and you can get crates too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexeisg
Ravagerx uses Kraag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishtmeet
I can solo KT4 in < 2.5mQuote:
Originally Posted by Syberg
Best best party I've run with in WT4 is just under 4 minutes.
Less pots, faster, less garbage mobs
KT4 also gives you crates. Running solo with a mage I kill all mobs and 2 bosses in around 2:45. This is with a lep on. Made me feel better leveling up when a locked crate would drop.
You need to solo at least at 2 minutes to reach wt4 level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rare
Its SEEMS that its better, its easier to stay alive because less mobs and its really reminds me of backenbridge :-)
As Arlorians like to say "The Best City Of Kraag" should have the best tombs too? huh?
still with lower gear for me its imposible to solo Kraag faster than WT, I believe its same for everyone unless you have new gear (mythic prefered).
And as Ishxmeet have said do not let for witches to spawn mobs if you dont like to fight the mass.
What kind of math are you basing this on? Where are your facts? Anyone can say blah blah this is so, but unless you back it with numbers it's just dust in the wind. Find another guide to troll. This one is already proven.
You can do what you want but this research had made seasoned endgame players learn that there's always room to improve and you can't argue with the data and you can, and many have, verified this research Serancha did. It's legitimate science at this point... just saying. When I need to level pets or toons I've changed where I go often. I still goto WT but it's only because that's where everyone else is still. We'd prolly be better off if more would switch to Kragg. It'll be interesting to see how this effects next level cap when it comes!
Oh I see its become drama from discussion, what kind of numbers you need? Me and ishxmeet could run wt4 if you need time. Who said I do not have numbers?
And I am not trolling, I am trying to make as much pros and sins about those two tombs.
But I have no idea why you so sure that wt4 is so bad? Yes, you kill alot of useless mobs if you can not kill witches fast, yes with bad party it takes 10minutes to run it (And I done KT with pretty bad party in +5minutes). In my eyes they are both nearly the same.
Its just that sorcerers do not have problems to kill high amount of mobs, when they are attacking in same time (In other words they can just destroy any amount of pulled mobs). While rogue has good 1v1 skills. They dont have any high AoE attacks, as sorcerers do.
KT4 do not have any more mobs than its shown, thats means rogue with some skills (this guide can give you enough of skills) can kill them one-by-one pretty fast.
If rogue goes to WT4 and those useless mobs spawns 2 times, that makes alot more work for ROGUES.
Now lets see what is about sorcerers.
At KT4 sorcerer is pretty good with gun (Guns usually have higher distance). But skills does not works good for speed runs. Because:
When you do pulls, mobs runs one-by-one with some spaces between them. And since at KT4 you need to run pretty much, if you want to kill mobs with AoE skills, your skills would not be so effective as it would be in WT4 (In WT, you need run less, but XP is nearly the same, you just need to kill a bit more (what does it means to kill 10 more mobs with AoE attacks? Yes, its nothing).
So in MY opinion without any "Trolling" WT4 is better for sorcerers and KT4 is better for rogues.
!I do not want to make any drama here or ruin this good guide, I just want to say my own opinion!
I don't need numbers. They are already posted and the research conclusive. BTW over half the respondants on this thread are pro mages.
Oh ok thank you :) is the Mobs of WT4 is more than the Mobs of KT4?Quote:
Originally Posted by Serancha
There's no witches in Kraag, and no zombies (no no nasty Skratch jumping out to kill ya). It's goblin town.
Here is the data so far. I'll collect more today.
Wt4:
4:24, 235 kills --> 235 k/264 s = 0.89 k/s
4:09, 235 kills --> 0.94 k/s
4:40, 236 kills --> 0.84 k/s
Kt4:
2:27, 139 kills --> 139 k/147 s = 0.95 k/s
2:38, 140 kills --> 0.88 k/s
2:32, 140 kills --> 0.92 k/s
So far they are about even. But we'll see over a larger sample size. Some key points to mention as others already have... there are three bosses in kt. Each can drop crates. It also requires far fewer pots on average in kraag tombs.
In reality though, its really a matter of preference. They ate very close in terms of xp/kill per time.
Skratch always ruins a run. So, yes to KT4 for not having him randomly pop in for a kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serancha
Some mages I talked to prefer wt4 because they don't like having to wait for mobs to gather when they can just spam skills along the way. For a rogue, however, kt4 is extremely efficient and pot-friendly.
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DId you kill the bosses, or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rare
No, none of these are boss kills. Well, not the end boss in KT4 anyway. Those other bosses usually get killed in cross fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serancha
Coolio.
Don't want to post a view at a thread, where the thread poster shows no respect to the ones against the thread.
For xp
Kt4 good for solo
Wt4 good for party.
Well with 7day xp+ combo+ normal xp elixir, I get 820xp per run in wt4. Run takes 4.00 mins.
In kt4, With those xp elixirs, I get 420 xp in 2.30mins.
If you can do further mathematics, you'll see that which one gives better xp output/min
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Please read the entire initial post. We have the numbers showing how much exp / time each run gives. There are many reasons one is better than the other on top of this.
Plus, even devs use Kraag :)
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We have a very well put together guide here. This guide is how I capped my toon. I just wish it could be kept as a good guide thread and all this non sense would stop. Some people feel that their way is better than others. This is natural in life. It doesn't mean that you need to go out and make a point of putting others down that don't share your view point. I can't blame an OP when they are defensive towards people that are attacking their thread. There is plenty more space to post a new thread in the guide section. If you have a method that you feel is superior, or even just different, then I suggest it be brought forth under a new thread.
Neither me, nor Ishtmeet said that this thread is bad. We are just giving out numbers that KT4 is good for solo and since its hard to find GOOD party for WT4 peoples prefer KT4..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigboyblue
And since we both like xp runs with party, we prefer WT4..
Its my last post, since as Ishtmeet said we have no respect for our opinion in this thread even with all these numbers..
This guide was made in March. The point was made back then. Why you are deciding to make an issue of it months after it's been established, without reading the entire guide, is why your opinions are not getting the respect you are hoping for. I respect people who make informed comments with all the facts, but it was clear you had never even run kraag, since you said you needed to go into all the rooms to pull the mobs. If you read the guide and ran the map, you would know this is not the case.
The guide is also not based on opinions, and while it's nice to have those, that is not the purpose of this guide. This isn't a debate, but an information resource. What people do with it is up to them - the guide provides people the ability to make informed decisions. People saying they prefer WT4 is not useful to this discussion, because it is an opinion. The numbers were posted with the guide, so the information you provided is not adding to anything here. If you like wt4 that much, then feel free to make your own guide, but the nasty comments are uncalled for and out of line.
Hey guys! Let's make sure that we are keeping on topic and friendly. :)
Leave it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Syberg
Cheers
No need to prove what's wrong or right. We know, that's all what matters.
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Lol who said this thread is wrong? If you don't know what I opposed, don't write anything. I've even thanked this thread. This discussion started in the last 40th post where serancha said, you don't get xp from floor spawns and those floor spawns are not because of witches.Quote:
Originally Posted by shinytoy
For you: go in wt4, km3, hauntled and kill that witch in one hit and see whether those mobs spawn? And then again check it by waiting. Those floor spawns give xp and kill as well. That's the second set of mobs that spawn which don't give kill or xp.
Peace!
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