If Freeze is allowed in pvp now..Give Sorcerers their Freeze skill back in PVP

Lolz...
Then fix dova tooo...
Why his aa never stunn

Or launch a pet that allow players to remove all stun freez or snare effect ...

Or a pet that have curse avaibility...
I m wishing to have curse on tank...
Mages or rouge hit once and die

PVP screws everything up lol.

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Originally Posted by Idly

Put the freeze in the same category as stun (following stun immunity), reduce the freeze time to 2.5 seconds, make the passive a non target seeking static pool which freezes anyone who's dumb enough to walk over it.

Make a Misty 2.0 new mythic pet with viable stats and an AA that removes all enviromental effects and a passive with a 25% chance to remove all other effects (Stun, panic, feeble etc)

Make a new pvp map that gives everyone all their skills and see how popular it is, don't even make it difficult just duplicate CTF map and rename as a 'pure' option.

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Yep... Or put Pure PvP test map on the test server, this way we hesitate any possible glitch that could affect the main server, it's hardcorely bugged anyways now... Great ideas anyways. :)

Have two pvp modes lol -

old school - keep game how it is now (get rid of pet freeze)
Next gen - everything is allowed (within pve) like banish,freeze etc

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Originally Posted by shinytoy

Can I have my 2.3m gold back? I haven't even gotten Breeze to level 41 yet. These mistakes and oversights are constantly hurting people's in game gold, which many like myself used real life money to get. I did not run out and purchase that pet initially because I thought you guys were going to take a 2nd look at it. Then when I saw you guys (STS) acknowledge Breeze's AA and passive attack on multiple forum posts, I figured it was safe to purchase. All of the sudden, you change your mind again and now what I'm hearing is kiss the 2.3m goodbye and find another pet. Do you know how much real life money 2.3m equates to? It's more than $50 USD.

This is out of hand. Professional companies have game testers for a reason and that is so the customer has a seamless experience. With this game it's constantly buff, nerf, buff, nerf, buff , nerf and depending on when you buy, someone makes money, while the other loses gold. It's not right. If you guys had just ONE SINGLE person at your company that played this game 1 hour per day, then you would know what the effects of all of these things are and not make so many mistakes.

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No its not. I bought $50 worth of plat and made over 2.6m soo idk what ur doing

Warriors have curse, pets have freeze... mhhh !!!

How about mages have aimed shot and/or some juggernaut? Sounds good !!!

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Originally Posted by Robhawk

Warriors have curse, pets have freeze... mhhh !!!

How about mages have aimed shot and/or some juggernaut? Sounds good !!!

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Mages good for looking innocent n begging along with Shazbot ..lmfao

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Originally Posted by Robhawk

Warriors have curse, pets have freeze... mhhh !!!

How about mages have aimed shot and/or some juggernaut? Sounds good !!!

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Lightning should hit as hard as aim shots if not more than that.
Shield should have ignore 20% damages and 50 strngth + stats and move imparing remove upgrades :)

Wouldn't that give mages twice the freeze potential though

Putting breeze pet with that long of a freeze is like sts is trying to say "you MUST PVP and USE BREEZE, it's what we want you to use" it render all arcane pet out there useless, literally including sns or any other stun/terrify pet such as samael/Nekro. There's no strategy here. It's like there's a huge hidden warning sign at the entrance to pvp saying "BEWARE MUST HAVE BREEZE OR YOU'll FREEZE AND DIE INSTANTLY" or in short "DON'T ENTER WITHOUT BREEZE" LOL.

I would understand if they halfed the freeze time. I'm sure that they added it so every class has access to every type of stun and mages i guess are annoyed it's not exclusively for them but understand for one mages already have enough movement impairing effects alone but it would be a huge kick in the balls if they stopped it's AA from being able to work in pvp or nerfed it too much. I do agree that they should make pvp for test servers specifically because of this. Then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Originally Posted by epicrrr

experiences from lvl 13 pvp dont rant and tell me 41 pvp is way diferent, its not its just 13 scaled up.

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Tbh it is vastly different. Attacks at endgame are way more fast-paced; in endgame, if you're frozen, it will take a rogue as long as the freeze time to kill you while you can do absolutely nothing about it. A mage, even shielded, can be downed in about 3 combos if you're less geared and even less if you have higher gear. You can put in a serious dent into a warrior, perhaps even killing him while he's frozen (again, with same or higher gear). How is this fair...?

(Not mentioning rogue vs rogue fights, everyone knows how that is...1 combo while opponent is frozen = GG.)

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Originally Posted by Alhuntrazeck

Tbh it is vastly different. Attacks at endgame are way more fast-paced; in endgame, if you're frozen, it will take a rogue as long as the freeze time to kill you while you can do absolutely nothing about it. A mage, even shielded, can be downed in about 3 combos if you're less geared and even less if you have higher gear. You can put in a serious dent into a warrior, perhaps even killing him while he's frozen (again, with same or higher gear). How is this fair...?

(Not mentioning rogue vs rogue fights, everyone knows how that is...1 combo while opponent is frozen = GG.)

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Nicely said.

I dont care if it still freezes the only problem is its to long.
The AA we can avoid but its the passive thats make me go on a rage mode. I'm more freezed by the passive then the AA
Maybe do it like HORN skill if 1 cast the AA of breeze the other breeze can't freeze us after the first one till the time is done.
And ofcourse reduce the time being freezed.

I might give it a shot again on my 41 mage if we have freeze back.
I mainly quited endgame because i'm playin as a mage the main reason is all the skills a mage have it turned into a pet. Whats the use to play a mage nowadays if pets can do the same 'skills'..

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Originally Posted by Higuani

Whats the use to play a mage nowadays if pets can do the same 'skills'..

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No! The pets can do the mages skill but the mage isnt allowed to... in other words breeze is more of mage then the mage! lol! :livid:

the freeze duration should be as long as stun/terrified and with the same amount of freeze chance like 30-40%. This will allow everyone that can't afford expensive arcane pet such as samael/nekro to be at the same level in a way. Correctly me if i'm wrong but it's at a 100% freeze chance and also freeze multiple players?

Get rid of freeze pvp...period. Problem solved.
For all of you who "took advantage" of this rediculous mistake, good for you. you added a few dozen kills to your kdr. But you shouldve never thought a legendary pet for 250 frags was gonna be allowed to outperform 25m-110m gold pets. Shinytoy...for real?

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Originally Posted by twoc

the freeze duration should be as long as stun/terrified and with the same amount of freeze chance like 30-40%. This will allow everyone that can't afford expensive arcane pet such as samael/nekro to be at the same level in a way. Correctly me if i'm wrong but it's at a 100% freeze chance and also freeze multiple players?

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then why would everyone want arcane pets then? screw buying sam, nekro, or whatever. just buy a 3m gold legendary pet and call it good. rolls eyes

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Originally Posted by Samaeldavisjr

then why would everyone want arcane pets then? screw buying sam, nekro, or whatever. just buy a 3m gold legendary pet and call it good. rolls eyes

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You could buy slag for 700k with a 60-70% panic, doesn't mean its better than Sam. Twoc makes a fair point. 30-40% freeze is fair imo so long as the duration is reduced.

Why play mage at all? Its obvious only players who like getting crapped on play this toon. Its a HUGE slap in the face to all the mages who were waiting for real change....only to find all other toons can now use a skill that was taken away from us for being "op"

just another upbeat positive comment from your friendly neighborhood forumer 😆

Correction. That should help mages not get squished the second they lose their spawn bubble.

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Originally Posted by Higuani

I dont care if it still freezes the only problem is its to long.
The AA we can avoid but its the passive thats make me go on a rage mode. I'm more freezed by the passive then the AA
Maybe do it like HORN skill if 1 cast the AA of breeze the other breeze can't freeze us after the first one till the time is done.
And ofcourse reduce the time being freezed.

I might give it a shot again on my 41 mage if we have freeze back.
I mainly quited endgame because i'm playin as a mage the main reason is all the skills a mage have it turned into a pet. Whats the use to play a mage nowadays if pets can do the same 'skills'..

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Yup Endgame or Twink warriors /Rogues now have access to:
Stun
Panic
Freeze
Curse
BiG heal over times
High Armors
Even great Mana regen pets n Amulets
Pull/ Push

Mages left with:
Mana -.-
Low HP
2% chance to root if u luckily have Gun..
Slow movement ( U need Wind to move 25%.. which is not fast enough yet against Axethrow)
Very low armor..
15 Sec protection with shield.. That doesn't stand against high rogue n warrior damages.
N without it ...death
Also being renamed to "Food" in pvp these days.. Yippey -.-

The debate continues on this one, but here are some ideas on how to address this issue from my standpoint (Next year, due to the holidays).

Before we go any further, please note that...
These ideas are all subject to change, and are not promises!

Given the nature of Freezing in PvP being a notable point of discussion, previously removed and now re-introduced through this pet, I'm openly discussing this with the hopes of reaching a compromise that the community agrees with us upon. This is a large list to digest, and not all of them might necessarily happen if it were to be applied so take it with a grain of salt. At the moment I feel this combination yields a nice compromise, the goal of which is to take some of the sting off players who purchased Breeze for this intent, and accommodate where necessary to balance out the extremes. With this in mind, here are some potential ideas.

- Breeze's Passive Attacks can still freeze players in PvP, but will have their own isolated immunity of about 10 seconds (normal stun immunity is 7.5 seconds). This would mean that you could come out of a freeze and then be stunned immediately after by a stun effect. This seems noteworthy enough to mention. It's also possible to tie them together in that you either get the 10 second immunity from a freeze, or 7.5 seconds from a stun. This also sounds a bit silly, but freeze sounds like a larger problem given the amount of time a freeze can last.

- Mages Frostbolt would be receive the same effect as Breeze's passive ability, including the 10 second immunity, and they would be inclusive of each other. This means If you for example froze a player with frost bolt, Breeze could not freeze them before that 10 seconds was up.

- Maximum freeze time reduced (amount would be determined at a later time, but I'm thinking 2 - 2.5 seconds)

- During the freeze, about every .5 seconds there will be a X% chance for the trapped player to break free. This would likely be around 25% or 33%, but could go as high as 50% depending on the maximum length of the freeze.

- Breeze's Activated Ability will remain on the generic Stun Immunity as it's tied to a cool down

Thanks for working with me on this guys, let's hear some thoughts.

- Carapace

If we're not going to scrap it, this is an 100% immobilization effect that doesn't only stack on stun but also on panic/terrify. That is quite powerful, seeing how even the best arcane abilities at the past had at best a 70% chance to cause that and for a much smaller duration of time. So two seconds duration with a 10 second immunity sounds good. 25% chance to break free every .5 seconds as well if the sorcerers are getting it back.

Mainly reducing the duration is what we should focus on, IMO. Should adjust that to start off so the rest of the players won't have to deal with this imbalance for another month+.

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Originally Posted by Higuani

I dont care if it still freezes the only problem is its to long.
The AA we can avoid but its the passive thats make me go on a rage mode. I'm more freezed by the passive then the AA
Maybe do it like HORN skill if 1 cast the AA of breeze the other breeze can't freeze us after the first one till the time is done.
And ofcourse reduce the time being freezed.

I might give it a shot again on my 41 mage if we have freeze back.
I mainly quited endgame because i'm playin as a mage the main reason is all the skills a mage have it turned into a pet. Whats the use to play a mage nowadays if pets can do the same 'skills'..

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Rogue more fun anyways :P

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Originally Posted by Carapace

The debate continues on this one, but here are some ideas on how to address this issue from my standpoint (Next year, due to the holidays).

Before we go any further, please note that...
These ideas are all subject to change, and are not promises!

Given the nature of Freezing in PvP being a notable point of discussion, previously removed and now re-introduced through this pet, I'm openly discussing this with the hopes of reaching a compromise that the community agrees with us upon. This is a large list to digest, and not all of them might necessarily happen if it were to be applied so take it with a grain of salt. At the moment I feel this combination yields a nice compromise, the goal of which is to take some of the sting off players who purchased Breeze for this intent, and accommodate where necessary to balance out the extremes. With this in mind, here are some potential ideas.

- Breeze's Passive Attacks can still freeze players in PvP, but will have their own isolated immunity of about 10 seconds (normal stun immunity is 7.5 seconds). This would mean that you could come out of a freeze and then be stunned immediately after by a stun effect. This seems noteworthy enough to mention. It's also possible to tie them together in that you either get the 10 second immunity from a freeze, or 7.5 seconds from a stun. This also sounds a bit silly, but freeze sounds like a larger problem given the amount of time a freeze can last.

- Mages Frostbolt would be receive the same effect as Breeze's passive ability, including the 10 second immunity, and they would be inclusive of each other. This means If you for example froze a player with frost bolt, Breeze could not freeze them before that 10 seconds was up.

- Maximum freeze time reduced (amount would be determined at a later time, but I'm thinking 2 - 2.5 seconds)

- During the freeze, about every .5 seconds there will be a X% chance for the trapped player to break free. This would likely be around 25% or 33%, but could go as high as 50% depending on the maximum length of the freeze.

- Breeze's Activated Ability will remain on the generic Stun Immunity as it's tied to a cool down

Thanks for working with me on this guys, let's hear some thoughts.

- Carapace

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They just receive shield buff. If this happening, grats guys. Its look like Mage going to be OP class next year.

Mage :
PvE : High
PvP : High

Lol the rogue and warrior reign is over!

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Originally Posted by Froxanthar

They just receive shield buff. If this happening, grats guys. Its look like Mage going to be OP class next year.

Mage :
PvE : High
PvP : High

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Lol unless our base armor and health is equal to rogue/warrior we will never be the best class. Don't forget rogues and warriors have skills that remove immobilizing effects..

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Originally Posted by Spellcheck

Lol the rogue and warrior reign is over!

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*rogue puts on razor shield*
*mage throws ice*
*nothing happens*
*rogue presses aimed shot*
*mage dead.

What changed?

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Originally Posted by Ninjasmurf

*rogue puts on razor shield*
*mage throws ice*
*nothing happens*
*rogue presses aimed shot*
*mage dead.

What changed?

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or....
*rogue use aimed shot*
*mage dead*

or....
*rogue use charged attack*
*mage throws ice*
*both stunned*
*rogue 1 shot mage*

I hope you implement these changes. Right now, a mage with the new gun and breeze can potentially keep an opponent locked for up to 10 FREAKING SECONDS. This is not OP, its akin to the Bulwark with its 100% proc chance - should not ever be happening. Shorten freeze times and make the immunity 7.5 seconds, and everyone's happy. 6 or more seconds is just too gamechanging.

Imagine this scenario: a Breeze using player freezes an opponent in an SNS pool. There is literally NOTHING that opponent can do until the freeze is over; and we all know how hard SnS hits.

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Originally Posted by Carapace

The debate continues on this one, but here are some ideas on how to address this issue from my standpoint (Next year, due to the holidays).

Before we go any further, please note that...
These ideas are all subject to change, and are not promises!

Given the nature of Freezing in PvP being a notable point of discussion, previously removed and now re-introduced through this pet, I'm openly discussing this with the hopes of reaching a compromise that the community agrees with us upon. This is a large list to digest, and not all of them might necessarily happen if it were to be applied so take it with a grain of salt. At the moment I feel this combination yields a nice compromise, the goal of which is to take some of the sting off players who purchased Breeze for this intent, and accommodate where necessary to balance out the extremes. With this in mind, here are some potential ideas.

- Breeze's Passive Attacks can still freeze players in PvP, but will have their own isolated immunity of about 10 seconds (normal stun immunity is 7.5 seconds). This would mean that you could come out of a freeze and then be stunned immediately after by a stun effect. This seems noteworthy enough to mention. It's also possible to tie them together in that you either get the 10 second immunity from a freeze, or 7.5 seconds from a stun. This also sounds a bit silly, but freeze sounds like a larger problem given the amount of time a freeze can last.

- Mages Frostbolt would be receive the same effect as Breeze's passive ability, including the 10 second immunity, and they would be inclusive of each other. This means If you for example froze a player with frost bolt, Breeze could not freeze them before that 10 seconds was up.

- Maximum freeze time reduced (amount would be determined at a later time, but I'm thinking 2 - 2.5 seconds)

- During the freeze, about every .5 seconds there will be a X% chance for the trapped player to break free. This would likely be around 25% or 33%, but could go as high as 50% depending on the maximum length of the freeze.

- Breeze's Activated Ability will remain on the generic Stun Immunity as it's tied to a cool down

Thanks for working with me on this guys, let's hear some thoughts.

- Carapace

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That would be Ok.. and balanced since breeze is not earned so easily . .
Do give a look at Ice Subskills if they could give a Use in pvp..
1st Subskill - 20% chance to AOE freeze
4th Subskill - Freeze Pool Spawn if someone passes over it ( Breeze is having the ability of spawn freezing pool i guess)

(Meanwhile also give a small look at Mage Heal over time..since it has been at lvl 16 since ages)

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Originally Posted by Carapace

The debate continues on this one, but here are some ideas on how to address this issue from my standpoint (Next year, due to the holidays).

Before we go any further, please note that...
These ideas are all subject to change, and are not promises!

Given the nature of Freezing in PvP being a notable point of discussion, previously removed and now re-introduced through this pet, I'm openly discussing this with the hopes of reaching a compromise that the community agrees with us upon. This is a large list to digest, and not all of them might necessarily happen if it were to be applied so take it with a grain of salt. At the moment I feel this combination yields a nice compromise, the goal of which is to take some of the sting off players who purchased Breeze for this intent, and accommodate where necessary to balance out the extremes. With this in mind, here are some potential ideas.

- Breeze's Passive Attacks can still freeze players in PvP, but will have their own isolated immunity of about 10 seconds (normal stun immunity is 7.5 seconds). This would mean that you could come out of a freeze and then be stunned immediately after by a stun effect. This seems noteworthy enough to mention. It's also possible to tie them together in that you either get the 10 second immunity from a freeze, or 7.5 seconds from a stun. This also sounds a bit silly, but freeze sounds like a larger problem given the amount of time a freeze can last.

- Mages Frostbolt would be receive the same effect as Breeze's passive ability, including the 10 second immunity, and they would be inclusive of each other. This means If you for example froze a player with frost bolt, Breeze could not freeze them before that 10 seconds was up.

- Maximum freeze time reduced (amount would be determined at a later time, but I'm thinking 2 - 2.5 seconds)

- During the freeze, about every .5 seconds there will be a X% chance for the trapped player to break free. This would likely be around 25% or 33%, but could go as high as 50% depending on the maximum length of the freeze.

- Breeze's Activated Ability will remain on the generic Stun Immunity as it's tied to a cool down

Thanks for working with me on this guys, let's hear some thoughts.

- Carapace

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Hopefully this happens.
Mages at twink brakets are seriously just target pratice

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Originally Posted by Ninjasmurf

*rogue puts on razor shield*
*mage throws ice*
*nothing happens*
*rogue presses aimed shot*
*mage dead.

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Razor shield only stay for 5secs
Mage will not get 1 hit if their shield up + 2secs invulnerability
After razor cooled of mage can stun rogue before he pick up all his pack
Mage kill rogue with 2k-3k crit

Another scenario

have you seen rogue does 7k hp combo ? lolz........
mage light crit is only 20% not even 50% - what are you complaining about mage lightning crit?

2 sec invulnerability is nothing if you didnt charge it ... mage is gone by the time shield is charge if we get hit then we died as well - no win win situation.

legendary pet can freeze, give arcane pet SNS a passive stun attack as well!

If you can't survive five seconds (razor's duration, which the majority of rogues isn't currently using) to charge fire/gale followed by ice when they start moving and stunlock to death then something's up with your mage build and/or skill. Add a terrify/panic pet and that's the whole fight with your opponent just sitting there powerless. Both ice and fire are 100% chance of stun/freeze and can definitely be alternated with ease. Not to mention that ice can be used as a starter since it requires no charge to freeze plus it has the shortest cooldown of the mage's skills.

Drastic reduce of the duration on the pet's AA and passive chance of freeze. This is game-breaking.

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Originally Posted by Madnex

(razor's duration, which the majority of rogues isn't currently using)

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Which the majority of rogues aren't currently using...

*runs away giggling*

I always die when 1 vs 1 against mage as a warrior.. smh.