Mages can revive themselves using resurrect at the the precise time you die. Happened to me in pvp
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Mages can revive themselves using resurrect at the the precise time you die. Happened to me in pvp
Bull.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pios
This is Balefort Sewers, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikazees
Mages are slaves, but so are bears, and while we're at it birds too. Mages heal, that's what they do. Heal has a fast recharge rate and if timed properly can allow every player to not have to worry about using pots and just focus on the attack. Bears tank, that's what they do. They're supposed to take aggro with their massive amounts of hp and keep the other members in the party from having to run around like an avian with it's head cut off. Birds damage, that's what they do. Use your skills, use your combos and kill bosses! If everyone plays their roles then the team functions as a unit, but if one member doesn't pull their weight you end up with birds taking aggro and dying, then mages take aggro and die, now no one can revive and you have to quit or respawn from the beginning. Fact is everyone is a slave to their role and the rest of the party places blame where they feel the group is lacking, sorry mages we can't win if we're all dead.
That is cool ftwQuote:
Originally Posted by Gluttony
Very eye-opening :)
Being new to PL I picked the mage as my first char cause I've always loved being a magical being in every form of RPG I've ever played. :) Not knowing about the whole 'you have a role so play it' aspect of PL I pumped up my bearlike stats and played my char as aggressively as I could without any thought to what was expected by the other players. Then I started to run into the expectations and thus discovered that I had the ability to rez/buff others. I used it to the best of my abilities, to the detriment of my char's life many times, and then discovered that many bear players, and coincidentalmage players, were way too demanding on being rezed right now! Regardless of the fact that I might be taking on a mob by myself all of a sudden. I'm now of the mind that I'll do my best to find someone to rez ONCE it is safe for me to do so. If they start spamming me then they are on their own and can respawn.
Also, I didn't start playing PL so I could run around and keep everyone alive. That's what health potions are for. If I have to constantly buy them and use them (sorry but it takes forever for the heal to regen compared to potion use) then sure as shyte birds and bears can do likewise. Am I off my rocker to think this way?
For those that say I should just play the bear then, I do have a bear but find him much too lame for my personality. My bird is almost as much fun as my mage so will probably get it up to lvl 56 once my mage is up there. JMHO.
I'm level 52. I just changed my stats from str/dex to int/dex. (Note: 67 dex in both cases) By changing to int instead of str, my healing went from 80-160 to 118-239. (also, fire/lighting damage is up)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fyrce
Now my str 50 Hate set is in storage, and i'm wearing a cheap set of 51 Flusher's. I look like all the other cloned red sewer mages. I thought I would have a problem with dying easy, but that does not seem to be the case. I was trying to avoid the clone look, but I suppose I can get used to it.
lol
Lmao too funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Zipponator
Yesterday I was soloing with a locked instance in BS. A friend says, "pw plz". I thought about it, and didn't respond. Then I get another "pw plz". So, i figured, why not, gave the password, and let the bird in.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikazees
I'm half done with the maze, so he has a long way to run. He immediately rushes into a pack of mobs and dies instantly. I revive him, and he does the same, again. I revive, etc, about 5 times. Then, he says "omfg!" and tries one more time, dies, and exits. There was no way I could keep this guy alive, and he probably thought I was playing wrong.
I go back to pulling 1 or 2 at a time with my mage, and didn't die, not even once. I even soloed two mini bosses.
Is it so hard to think that there is maybe more than one strategy? The "rush in and blast away" strategy isn't the only way to play. And, is sometimes not possible if the group is weak.
I can look at a group and see that we need to pull a few out of a room first before rushing in. When I see it coming, I try not to die so I can revive the mess. But, whats worse than the failed attempt is that people are so quick to exit a game instead of trying again. I guess it's the mages fault, so they leave to look for a better mage.
I see two extremes: people who want to just play as they want and people who want to play as a team. There is no right answer.
However, you have to admit that you can do a little bit of both. Healing and reving others is in your best interest, and keeps people happy. Yes they can use pots. BUT a Mage with high m/s can heal for no cost, so just do so. Also, you can't expect a Mage to be your guardian angel. Your own darn fault if you die, you should play according to your groups abilities.
I think reviving with the full ability to should be noted and used; I've seen a lot of mages just running around throwing spells with their group dead right next to them.
Of course, a Mage following common courtesy should heal whenever that button is available, as it should not effect mana or timing significantly.
vulgar, that sig made me lol.
Revived this thread cuz, man, with the new maps (nuri), people's armors that served well in sewers are now just not strong enough and they're getting hit hard, especially at the boss. This is where pots are needed.
I was running in a pug with a bear that had NO pots (seriously) and was telling us to heal heal. I was hitting the heal button every time it came up green. Level 55+ should know that heal is not perpetual, it's like the other skills, there's a cooldown period during which HIT HEALTH POTS. To add insult to injury, said bear didn't hold agro anyway, so I was alternating heal with hitting my health pots while it was in cooldown to keep alive. Bears not being able to tank all the time I would not have minded, given the difficulties of holding agro with some of these new bosses (e.g. the lion sometimes ignores the bear and heads straight for the bird/mage), but this guy was telling us how to do our job while he wasn't able to do his. BTW thanks to the person that said I was doing a good job--appreciation not necessary but is nice when it happens.
Then there was the 59 bird that thought that, because I was buffing with rev (yes, rev buffs the team) and he was having to hit pots at the boss (he's a bird, he gets agro!), I wasn't hitting heal. BTW I have heal maxed and a decent mana regen.
I BLAME LEVEL 55+ CLUELESS ON ELIXIRS (definitely not all elixir users are noobs, but elixirs are allowing many to come up in the game without knowing how to play it or how the other classes work).
OK rant over, my friends rock :)
Hi fairly new to the forums here but not to gaming. I've been playing RPGs since the 80s. Usually a cleric which is a lot like the Mage/enchantress. A more limited spell book and lower hp being the biggest commonalities. I've been on a couple of runs where the bird or bear actually asked us to wait while they bought POTS, and one bear who actually knew that rev had a hidden buff!!! Not because he was a bear but that he took the time to read up on what the skills of others could do. Of course he could have had a Mage as an alternate character..Idk
However all the above being said I spam the snot out of my heal and res. It's not my fault if ur not in range because u ran ahead of the party, or ran off in another direction. I'm not going risk the larger party for one body. I will try to find you once the killing is over. Im also going to stick with The largest group if it gets split up. So for the fighter types give ur Mage a chance to heal and buff you before running off to bleed some more. I don't even want to think about all the buffs I've wasted because the fighters ran off before I could get to them. <Sigh> Save the pots for when the mage cant get to u. Wait for the buffs to come up and if the Mage doesnt do it. Ask for them. And if it's a noob, Splain it to them nicely and directthem to forums there are some excellent posts here. We all had to learn. If he/she doesn't then find another Mage. I learned a LOT about being a spell slinger from my fighters ove 30 plus years of throwing dice. LOL.
As a fighter friend once told me in game, "YOU are a squishy you stay behind the big bad meat shield"
Know this post is old, but since it got necro'd I thought I'd reply. This used to be a bug way back when, was awesome in pve, especially in swamps when it was hardcore. Devs fixed this bug right before/along with the release of pvp. A Mage was most likely around that you didn't see:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pios
As someone with a mage main, this whole thread infuriates me... Yes, if you aren't reviving quickly you are not doing your job!
Reviving someone doesn't make you more likely to die if you know how to play! First off, right after you auto, you should be casting non-stop.
Timing bov and mana shield are the only possible excuses, and even then, you should delay a max of one or two global cooldowns, which should be faster than they type rev.
Sorry for the drunken rant, but let me add something constructive technique wise. Never stand still as a mage. After you follow in the bear, start a small circular pattern while watching your life and party's life.
If you draw aggro, begin to widen the circle as much as possible and kite til the tank does it's job (to all the fail bears). As soon as someone dies, rev... Period... train yourself to know where skills are so you don't need to look at what skill you are using.
In a fight, if you only look at one thing, let it be the health bars... watch your movement with your peripherals.
So many people tell mages to just spam heal, and quite frankly, only low skill mages should do that. Heal when the tank is taking dmg or getting debuffed! Spam heal often results in healing people with full health and forcing you to lose valuable seconds!
And don't forget the old mmo truth that is the same in every mmo ever...
If the healer dies it's the tanks fault!
If the tank dies it's the healers fault!
If the DPS die, it's their own damn fault!
That's for all the birds and mages who think dps is more important than healing!
Haven't played as a mage yet. I'd love to get some input as to if it's worth making another character.
Reggin, you need to read the thread more. It isn't that mages don't want to rev or are taking their time. People are dying and then expecting the mage to be able to wade to them in the mob quickly and rev them. MANY times I've hit rev the moment I see that red exclamation mark only to see that it's someone that's wandered off to another mob before the team has finished killing one. I don't mind that, and I don't mind going over to them, but there are some who think we can magically teleport ourselves over and either leave before we get to them or abuse us as we're making our way over. Rev has a LIMITED RANGE.
Also, it's not just GCD that's causing the delay, it's the fact that the skills themselves take a while to regen after being hit--and heal is one. I think some people, according to this thread, think that heal and rev works like other games and is instantaneous and haswider range?
Then there are those who are lying there, not fighting and thus have all the time in the world to check, fail to register that the mage has died and has respawned and is walking back to the fight. Even worst, even when I message, "Respawned, walking back," they don't read the chat and get impatient. I have spent many a plat, real world money, to respawn on the spot so that I can rev the team, but I can't afford to do this all the time, so I sometimes respawn.
As for drawing aggro, yup, I kite and stay back, but the case above was a bear without any pots who was using that as an excuse for not taking aggro.
To be absolutely fair, yes, there are crap mages. I have on occasions whistled dixie while the other mage in the group carries on fighting and moves to the next mob. Luckily, someone in the team eventually tells them to rev me lol. Or that other mage dies... And, in my low level farming bird, I have stopped expecting mages to hit heal. One mage stood over the entire dead team and said, "Don't expect me to heal." Hey dude, didn't want you to heal, but a rev would have been nice. Wasn't that great a fighter either, the leech.
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Originally Posted by Zipponator
bahahahaha! Yup I've come across nasty people like that.
I got booted (with rude remarks) for not reviving fast enough; ignoring the fact that we have about 6 seconds (I think) reload time.
I've been booted for not reviving when I was dead on the floor. "why you no rev mage?"
Take a note of their name and don't play with them again
If they're being jerks, I'll puke on their dead body a little, then wait a while, then Maybe res.
I hate it when they all die on a boss fight..near the boss and they stay there waiting for you to walk all the way back, res them, then get killed by the boss.
The thing about reviving is that you are super vulnerable while you're doing it. As a mage, I know this, because I have died plenty of times when I couldn't defend myself while reviving someone else. So if I die and there are other mages around, I wait till all the mobs are dead. Then they usually come over and rev. If they don't, the probably didn't notice, so I just say "Rev plz", not "HEY YOU GUYS REV ME ALREADY" like some birds/bears do. It would be much appreciated if everyone tried to wait patiently.
Yes when you Rev, to the best of my knowledge you can't do anything while doing it. You know that wonderful Arms out and body not moving position that the mage gets when Reving, & healing? Yup it just says "Target HERE!" Trust me I know how to play a Spell slinger. Like I said I've been doing it for over 30 years. And yes if the tank dies, to a certain extent it IS my fault. Because my job is to watch out for the health of the party. However party members also have a responsibility to look out for themselves a bit and understand that Everything a mage does has a range limit and a cool-down time. If you die in the middle of a mob and I can't get to you. Please wait I will get to you as soon as I can. I have stood over the "Bodies" of party members and fought until Rev came back up. I have gone into some more complex dungeons, announced I was a Mage and to wait. I would Res as soon as I could find them. Then spent what seemed like ages soloing mobs to find them & res. Yeah I KNOW my job.
Also, if the mage is using Heal effectively The party should not have to rely on pots as often, and as mentioned before, Rev/res has a hidden buff. So yeah, I hit it and hit it often because at the end of the day Party health is the responsibility of the Mage.
And to every Bear or Bird who as ever thanked me for the Heal or Rev, Thank YOU for taking on the Mobs!!!!
lol thats so funny. yeah can get a little rough out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayrilana
Definitely i think as a mage, you should be healing the group but no on a continuos spamming rate. Just ignore the players and things get much easier to run through :)
Not nice! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by StompArtist
I only have 1 Char cuz I probably missed the boat when you could make 2 Chars. Very much prefer to have another Enchantress in the group beside myself so we could heal and rev ASAP, but lots of time, there are exceptions if someone decided to be gunho, space cowboy, Rambo, you name it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Uepauke
And my fav chat is "Dun relay on our heal, pot too..." There's a reason why the game allows us to pick up pots as we grind.
-Bj.
I'm a mage, personally, I focus my healing/rez to the players who are good. If player 1 is good, 2 is alright, 3 is average, and 4 sucks , then it would take longer for me to rev player 4 unless mob clears 'cuz i'd rather want player 3 alive than 4. It's case to case basis, is the mob clear? what dungeon, shadow caves? where did you die, near entrance? judgement of mage players vary depending on their mood too. I assure everyone that all mage players know when they need to revive. Think about it this way, if a mage doesn't heal or revive you, it means you suck and you're not important to his survival, or you're a jerk and you've done something for him not to rev you. Generally speaking, mages will cling on other players who are good since if they die, they might die too. So when you go back in PL and die and a mage doesn't revive you right away, it probably means you're forgettable and his judgement says the team can proceed without you.
You just revved a thread that was death for over a month now.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeusabe
The worse is when ppl ask for heal...spam some pots pls ppl!!!!!Especially in higher lvl maps..sheesh
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Originally Posted by Anipeuecil
I know! Like they say "Heal faster you can cure the curse" "Hurry up and rev me already!"
lol tell ur slavechantress that the forums is full of hackers that will hack u.
I would have chose a different emote....just sayin' to zipponator....tee heee heee!
have had many mages and i hate it when they yell
REZ me ur mage if im host id boot
I can understand how this gets annoying but one of our jobs is to keep the party healed/alive...that is unless youre a pally. When i start to get angry is when I die and respawn and the person lazy enough to just sit there demands for a rev. Most often times ill tell em to get off their lazy butt and respawn themselves...or i wont say anything and walk past their body. ;)
Thought I'd finally post here after lurking for a while.
I've been playing the game up to level 29 on my Enchantress and a quick peek with a Bear up to level 12 or so. That is if the little tryouts right after the game was released don't count. Can't remember how much I played then, but most likely not past level 15, so I guess I'm what you would call a newbie.
With my enchantress I've invested on nukes and also maxed Heal for added survivability. Most of the time I can't find a team so I tend to solo places so I need that firepower. So far it hasn't been that difficult to clear out stuff, even though the big yetis prove a troublesome bunch, especially if there's more than one.
In teams if I know there's a capable tank I tend to not touch nukes unless I know I can deal with the whole bunch and I do keep healing people at decent rate. On the expense of DPS I've maxed my manaregen which I believe is now 14 and with that I can spam firestorm, lightning, the first ice spell whenever they come available and also spam heal whenever I see someone even getting hurt all the while keeping the 2 buff spells active. The only time I actually lose any MP is when I put up magic shield when entering dangerous fights.
I revive people whenever I see someone going down and don't think it's any trouble to do that. Haven't really had anyone complaining about revives, even though they've had to wait a few times for me to do the corpse run. Guess I've just been lucky.
What I noticed though with my bear is that some lower level enchantresses don't heal all that much. Pre level 12 I actually saw only one enchantress who took care of people. Every other enchantress (rarest of the 3 classes) didn't bother healing even after the fights when moving to another fight even though their mana bar was full and I had like 10% HP left. Didn't bother to complain about it as I thought they had made their decision of not healing at all. I did see them healing themselves so it wasn't a matter of them not having the heal spells.
You good healers. Do your job and maybe people won't keep asking. And booting,unfortunately.
Btw mages are our slaves
This thing only happens once in a while for me now in end game pve.