I think most of us have earned the right to have those responses sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis
I think most of us have earned the right to have those responses sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis
Thank you WhoIsThis, for the best post I have ever read on the forums.
op - i dont know who you are, i dont know what you do for a living but sts should send you a constulting fee for taking the time to bridge the Gap between players and sts, well said, well said and well said
you have your words put exactlly on the pulse of how we as the characters feel, and should have shed light on that pl is a biz, and sts should make health money for the devs!! if these "things" are implimented i will be the first in line to stay, and sign up to the new benifits.
i am in this only for pvp, and love to take time out to kill bosses and help lower lvl ppl lvl up... i spend 200 - 400 in us dollars a month, and honestly am thinking of not spending any more plat cuz really cant justify the money based on the value i get out of the prestent system (there are some suttle changes i would like to see with vanity, and making end game players not all look the same - and willing to pay for it)
sts i am so impressed with what you guys have done!! keep up the good work - dont let us down!!!
mej
this should be a sticky. Imo
Agreed - the events of the Winter Festival have increased the urgency.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonTider
Hello,
I agree with you 100 %. Good job!
STS have to bring more fresh features in SL and PL.
The real question right now is not whether or not the community believes that PL has stagnated or not. The real question is what (and if) actions will be taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans
No, actually, that is not the real question. Not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis:535442The real question right now is not whether or not the community believes that PL has stagnated or not. The real question is what (and if) actions will be taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans
That is not the real question right now, it has never been the real question, and if things continue the way they are going, it will never be the real question.
Aikiebo what was the point of that?
Do u like to hear yourself talk too?
A wonderful post, took me a while to read. :P
I honestly dont think I have anything to add that has not been brought up or considered. This is a thread from an active, dedicated, actually good player... a dying breed.
I guess I can simply give my opinion on certain issues you bring up, although that is pretty one sided...
-The GoA and AoA situation has frankly been discussed to shreds. If it comes to it all being deleted, well, it was a nice long run. But you cannot deny that some of the members of both programs DO deserve the titles they earned. What we need is a re-evaluation, not a wipe, although that would doubtlessly hurt many, many feelings. Heck, I'll admit to not have being top notch material when I was awarded, though I have since striven for proving it.
-I have not been able to experience anything past sewers, but if it is really being described as "pre Ao3 nerf" then I pity the fools. seriously, if it has been left like that, along with STS' recent drug-pushing habits and an influx of susceptible new players, we have passed the point of no return. They are USED to it now.
-I honestly cannot tell if the devs are or are not up to their old habits of patrolling the forums as they used to. Obviously, they have grown less jaunty and more public-shunning, but there is nothing more player-base-inducing that responsive and accessible developers. How in hell do you think it all started out so well?
-It is really hard to accurately value a virtual item... the value that the owners of valuable stuff put on it is the time spent getting it, and the value that people who dont have it place on it is the abstract and frankly arbitrary price placed by the above owners. We really cant blame it on STS, getting the balance right the first time is nearly impossible, and any subsequent changes are usually resented.
question: is Royce OFFICIALLY gone? He left, came back, left, came back again, etc as far as I can remember, but did it finally get to be too much or what? I honestly owe my own GoAhood to his example to follow...
What happened? I remember the old pl before grinders were considered "cool". People would meet others from around the world and have nice conversations and level up with each other. No one would be strongly rewarded for grinding.
Pve was full of fun and mildly difficult levels,(why did you take away the original forest haven levels, they contained good memories.)
Pvp I can't talk about because I started about a year into the game:/.
Money didn't make you better. Prices were reasonable. Almost all of the oldies left and alterra was thrown into chaos.
The one thing I've been happy with is the guild system. It is very well organized rank wise.
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Originally Posted by Arterra
1. A viable option. At this point, though, I have serious doubts about the potential of both programs. GoA I agree there are players that do deserve the distinction and there are those that don't. Perhaps a thorough re-evaluation as you propose should be in order.
2. Nothing truly new has been introduced since guilds. The monsters too look pretty unoriginal.
3. The devs appear to be relatively inactive in threads and far less receptive towards feedback. The winter festival was handled particularly poorly and does not bode well. But yes, I agree that the long term future of PL is very much in doubt.
U really don't make sense.... XD btw I only have purchased 200 platinum, why u talking about "only"? Let's see how many people have something to say back to me-.-
P.S: everyone
I meant "only" as a relatively small figure compared to some hard core players. Note the quotes.
That is not accurate. All the GoAs deserve the distinction they earned. There were a couple who made some mistakes during Rage Fest. But, people are entitled to make mistakes. We all do. They should not be stripped of their honor.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis:540209
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This is obvioiusly incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis:540209
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Who cares, lol. Do you realize that in most games the goblins that attacked us when we were level 6 look exactly like the goblins that attack us at higher levels?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis:540209
Do you think that the 1 million plus people who play PL every month care that the zombies look the same at high levels as they do in Forest Haven. Why would anyone care about this?
Oh, wait, I know, it is something to complain about.
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Again, totally incorrect. They prove everyday how receptive they are to feedback and how the player's concerns are foremost.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis:540209
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On this point, I agree with you to some extent. All though, our reasons for feeling this way are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis:540209
Yes, I feel the devs should have handled Rage Fest a bit differently. They should have ended it way, way, waaayyy sooner then they did. Now, I TOTALLY realize the reason they didn't is because they were trying to be decent and show concerns for player's feedback. In other words, they were trying to do the right thing. And look how people treated them.
Devs of other game forums would have ended that mess a lot sooner.
This is an opinion that is has no basis in reality at all. There is no logic to support this what so ever. There is not one shred of evidence to support this. And quite a few pieces to discredit it. The idea is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsThis:540209
Aikiebo, what do you have to contribute to this thread but discord? So far you have said that I am incorrect and nothing else. So far, it seems that what you have said has more opinion than anything else. You have said that I am incorrect but have not said anything as to why.
Shouldn't it be standard to have re-evaluations on a regular basis? The only reason why I don't seeing it be required is because STS stated that GoA's have no responsibilities other then to not break their honor. AoA should be re-evaluated on a regular basis, because they represent STS in a way and their performance has to stay excellent.
As for any of the GoA's doing something unworthy of the Shield, or something worthy of stripping the shield, I doubt it. I'm gonna use police as comparison. If a police officer does something wrong, do they strip him of his badge? Only if it is a major enough of a mistake. Most officers make their mistakes because they are doing what they think is the right thing. That is what made them want to be a police officer in the first place. Yeah there are a few corrupt ones out there, that is why you do evaluations to root them out.
I don't know any of the GoA's personally, but I have never seen one step out of line. Players have accused Apollo of this during rage fest 2011, but to me it was necessarily. Even though he did slightly take a stand against STS during that, he still provided viable feedback and proved to the community exactly why he earned the Guardian of Alterra status.
At this point, it would seem that the existing GoAs are entrenched. Basically, it seems to be one of those things that you get and you can maintain by doing more or less nothing. Whether this is the best solution is a matter of debate. But it seems to be the way that things are.
I'd have to agree though that a thorough re-evaluation is in order or to scrap the program and re-nominate from ground up.
TRUTH! I remember when gold potions were 2k each for 2x whatever, and they had an option for speed. Now its 2k for 1.5x . ALL THEY ARE AFTER IS MONEY! I can't even enjoy the game now.
I disagree with scrapping existing GoA. They earned that shield. As a reminder, the GoA program is a "Thank you" one to recognize people who contribute to the community.
Regarding the future of Pocket Legends - we know that fans want new stuff and content is king. I would argue that the future is always in question. Of course if we don't do anything, well then of course growth would be hard to envision. I would point to JustG's 2011/2012 post: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/show...Rockin%92-2012! PL (and SL) continue to win awards and continue to grow in terms of playerbase.
We really appreciate positive, constructive feedback. There are some great comments in this thread and there are some that are less than great. :)
Regarding premium paid options, Spacetime Studios philosophy with premium options is just that – they are optional. All players can play Pocket Legends from level 1 to the elite level cap without paying any real world money. We appreciate and value all of our players, however they choose to play. As always, thank you for your support.
A lot is riding on humania.It will determine for many of us if we stay in this game or move on.
I think it is like that with any of our expansions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conradin
true dat- and i guess im still around eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Samhayne
Indeed it is. Indeed it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conradin
When Humania comes out, I think that most of the players that have left will give it a shot. If it fails for them, they are probably never coming back. So far, I think the general consensus among most players on the forums is that Nuri's Hallows and Mount Fang have not been what they wanted.
You actually wrote all of that lol. Nicely done seem like you really care and put alot thought into pocket legends. Hopefully devs will not hold back and give us r money worth ;)
I think we should be able to farm eachother in pvp. Like if get really lucky get a rare pink drop that person is equiped with. And if get unlucky lose that gear ;). That would be so fun. Honestly people quiting this game cause its too easy and too friendly. There no competition, and no war. Its a fighting game which alot adult play but still seem like it just for the young crowd. Guilds really didnt added anything but just a name, theres other game i play where guild was made very useful and for a purpose. After collecting gold and pvping everybody there nothing much else to do. We need to play against eachother at some
Point.
Ive thoroughly enjoyed this game. I think people forget it is in a phone, mobile, and we can actually interact with the real developers. This game is amazing and has a lot of different enjoyable options so just take it into perspective and be grateful.
Not to mention. The 50 cap was amazing and in the grand scheme of things it is the midway point. More and more is being introduced, slowly. We are just 3 caps away, the filler caps in retrospec away from halfway! More to come guys, dont expect every cap to blow your socks off then again and again. It is a work in progress and one day you will see and understand what these genius people are doing for PL
Greatful itsnt a correct word for all us like you and me we invested alot into this game we expect the best. Thats why there have been alot complaining. Becuase people have spent beyond any game system or any game they have owned r played on pocket legends. And acutally we are the ones paying and the devs like us isQuote:
Originally Posted by AbsolutePally
There job to make us happy. R opinion is important.
Humania will have to be especially good with the release of World of Midgard's 3rd and semi betas. Make or break time, a lot riding on this particular expansion.
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Originally Posted by Samhayne
That is a great philosophy, but wouldn't it logically make more sense to give more options? Yes you can get from 1 to elite, but that is such a small part of the game. I know I would be more inclined to spend money if there was a balance between content and optional purchases.
There is no reason to believe that there is anything 'more' or 'extra' riding on the release of Humania than any other expansion in this game or in any video game ever created.
Most video games have expansions. There is always a lot of anticipation and hope. But this is true for every video game ever made. It is not MORE true for Pocket Legends.
In the history of video games, there has been at least 100 expansions that have failed to live up to expectations. But, there has been at least 1,000 expansions that turned out to be far better than hoped.
There is certainly no consensus that Nuri's and Fang was some how inferior. In fact, the proof proves otherwise.
Playing the game from level 1 thru elite cap IS THE MAIN MOST IMPORTANT part of the game. It is free to play, but, it is not minor, lol. OMG, omg, omg, I couldn't stop laughing when I read that. Playing the game from start to finish is the most important part and it takes far, far, far, far longer to do that than optional paid content.
As far as having more options and also balance between free content and optional content. It is not clear what you mean. But, if you mean that there should be more options for paid content, I agree.
There are really quite a few things that I wish they would add to our options in the plat store.
I have never seen this many complaints over something that is free.
Not saying that I agree or disagree with the above statements but would you mind telling me where you got those facts? I am reading through these posts and you seem intent to overwhelm posters with words and opinions stating them as facts when, in fact, they are just this: opinions. Perhaps a disclaimer on your posts would be helpful?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikiebo
I personally get bothered by facts that are made up on the spot for the sake of winning some internet argument and do not truly contribute to the conversation. Sorry nothing against you and I am sure you have some interesting contributions to make but statements like this tend to make one want to stop reading whatever it is you are attempting to get across to your target audience.
No entiendes, habla english? Por favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePlayer
Stompartist, I am very glad that you brought this up. This is something that I have been thinking about long and hard for a long time.
I agree, that when people present their opinion as if it was some kind of fact. That can help destroy any chance of logical debate.
It is almost as bad when someone presents their opinion, making it clear it is just an opinion, but still not giving any sort of supporting details.
Do you know why many of my posts are so long? It is because, when I make a point. I spend time backing it up. It only takes a few words to make some statement, that is nothing more than an opinion and try to pawn it off as a fact. But, if you take a good look at my long posts, you will see that they are long because I am trying to prove my argument.
I agree, it is not enough to just present opinions that are empty if you are trying to actually make some sort of improvement.
But, again, to make a statement: "Here, this is what I believe", then TO ALSO PROVIDE supporting details, can take a long time.
Just the opinion = short. Opinon plus supporting details = bit longer.
Yes, I agree, that the thing I said that you quoted was an opinion. It is an opinion that obviously I believe to be accurate. But, your right, I didn't give the supporting details. (I did go on to imply that I had proof, but that is a different matter.) Why would I do such a thing?
1. I was trying to show that short posts are very easy to write. You can make all kinds of statements, imply they are facts and never have to provide the supporting details.
2. I was trying to show that, just as you pointed out, that a statement without supporting details is TOTALLY USELESS in a debate.
3. And more than anything else, I was trying to show, that what I was responding to is EXACTLY what you are critisizing me for. An mere personal opinion that is being presented as a fact with no supporting info.
In other words: The point I am making now, is that a giant, huge percentage of the things that are being said in THIS THREAD AND RAGE FEST are nothing more than someone's opinion. And the people who shared these wonderful opinions with us made little or no attempt to try to prove them. Just left them as unsubstantiated opinons.
I have made a spoiler tag. Behind that tag is 14 opinions that someone presented as fact. JUST IN THIS THREAD ALONE. I am sure, I could find 2 or 3 dozen more of these empty opinions in just this thread. None of these opinions have any supporting info. This was the problem with Rage Fest. It was a tiny few people going from thread to thread saying the same thing over and over, never proving or justifying anything. Just getting people all worked up.
In the next post I make, I am actually going to answer your question (why do I say there is no concensus about Nuri's/Fang). Just didn't want to make this post too long.
One last thing (to everyone, not just you Stomp): NO NEED TO FLAME ME with the idea that all opinions are important and valued. I know that. I have said that 100 times. But, if all you do is give an opinion without backing it up. People may not take it seriously. And, they may also basically just say, 'right back at ya' and just give their differing opinion on the same matter without backing it up. If so, a person can't complain.
yes dear
This is a short post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikiebo
This is not.
Fact.
Aikiebo I got a fact for you. That post was way to long.
It's not the length of the posts Aikiebo - it's the quality of content in the posts. If long posts were hated, then my first 2 posts by that logic should be reviled.
I'm gonna have to ask you - in those 2 long posts, what have you said? And could it be condensed?