So u wanna make this thread a personal rant?
Im not gonna go there.
1 person's skill/strat on multiple characters does not equal competition among players. Thats just 1 person
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So why not just disable trading of gear when you are on lb?
It's not rocket science
Taking all top 10 spot with 1 2b op set? Thats bs unfair
Taking all top 10 spot with 10 different 2b op set? You know what? Fair enough you won
I do play. I did manage the top10 seige.
Yes its not 1 person, a few more. I guess, 4 or more. But right now sorcerer lb is filled with multiple alts. Which is 1 person.
U are good. No denying. So you can take your single top10 reward for all those characters. Let the rest who are not as good as you get the #10 or #9 they should get, if your alts weren't there.
Highly disagree, and for a good reason. Asking the Leaderboards to be less competitive is so illogical and moving backwards.
Furthermore, even if they cared, there isn't an effective method (themselves have said) without interfering with other aspects of the game that they or other players have suggested.
Everything are just rants or too far fetched, trying hard to screw over the remaining skilled/competitive left off this small game.
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Wasn't trying. There isn't really a good arguememt.
Seemed like you decided to quote me on this comment to use the "ran out of argument" narrative, instead of the one I quoted on you above with all the rebuttals because u actually ran out.
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No one is asking for competition to be lesser.
This would be the scenario with no alts. Say #1 is 468k points, #9 would be 388k points, #10 would be 387k points, #11 would be 386k points.
#11 is definitely gonna try to get the #10 because its very little difference.
There would be healthy competition among players.
making the lb rewards untradable would make multiple account people to not pass it to their main account.
Making the reward one for 1 account (even with 5 alts) would be rewarding for thier skill and make sure others get the reward for the 4 spots that was occupied by alts.
I think personally, people who like to take multiple spots on the lb are the selfish ones. Because they greed and wanna take it all to prove they are better than the rest.
Them being better was already proven with thier highest points. But they still choose to play multiple alts and take from the ones who are the actual winners.
The ones who dont get the lb spot they deserve are salty because thier spot was stolen by the alt of the #1 person.
running LB twice on same class is too much… please do a clean up for this, some just change a single letter to their ign.
if you are already in the top of your class, we know that your good, but doing it twice… something is wrong in you?!
would suggest that if you want to run multiple, please run on different class type, 1 mage 1 rog 1 war that would be fair.
Twilight temple in warrior solo LB had player1 had 3spots player2 had 2spots and player3 had 2spots for top10 rewards. Call that fair :)
That will literally lessen competition, how can you not notice?
Also, Devs have said and I quote "but we can't treat all accounts from the same IP as the same person (family members, internet cafes, etc.). We can't even treat all accounts from the same device as the same person (family members sharing a device)." so your system is already flawed.
So you want to make rewards bound, and as a result it will:
- Give no chance to other players who wants to buy them.
- Screw over the little remaining good players from an income source. As well as other Top50 players who wanted to sell their rewards.
- Lessen competition for others, because they're now stuck with them forever with no option to sell and that greatly affects their decision of not participating anymore.
So, who really is selfish? You're punishing the decisions and potential competitions of hundreds of runners because you're mad over a few players who are using their skill to their advantage, and in the process, promote the leaderboard to be more competitive.
Lessen competition? Are you sane? There will be competing 2-3 ppl with alts in top10 now, instead of 10 different accounts as it should be. Income source that is made of exploiting alts in lb? Such a “good” player, that would everyone surely miss. Why do bound rewards bother you so much? Leaderboard would be competetive even with bound ones. It is basically punishing those few #1 runners, who would place alts just for personal profit and manipulating. Seems like you are one of them. Other players wouldn’t care, cause this way they wouldn’t get the reward anyways.
Oh wait… maybe buy from you for 3bil/set?.. go to hell with that.
When the cost of getting 10 lb rewards is basically the same as getting 1
Who wouldn't get all 10? Don't call them greedy, fix the system that allows such exploits
There's no way STS can tackle this. Bigger companies have tried, there isn't a way around it.
People naturally love flaunting whatever they have. Whether it be skills or gold, or a mixture of both.
You can't IP restrict players and restricting player inventory in a game which is all about trading and player economy isn't a smart idea.
Making the rewards bound wouldn't change much either. People would take up multiple spots just to show off. It's human nature.
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It's funny how everyone is talking about the same person getting multiple lb rewards.
Literally no one stops you from getting 3k+ stats gears and occupy multiple spots on lb..... and if you say that you don't have enough time or you have social life then you better not talk about top players who spend so many years to reach that level.
If you think you are as good as top players then show it and steal all the spots from top players.
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Now, who's Idea was it to make em tradable? Where were you when people made threads making them tradable? And with enough feedback and good reception they reverted back to tradable rewards because it promotes activity and competitiveness, stated by them after the Winter Event. Furthermore, it provides lb players options to do with their rewards, and those decided not to participate can conveniently buy them, a win-win. Whereas you want this reverted because you're salty from a small demographic playing by the rules.
You're talking to the wrong person bud. Bound rewards don't bother me, otherwise, I wouldn't have already owned several of them from previous lbs, personally I don't mind. However, because people now have the option to sell it, it increases competition. But rather, I find it funny ya'll want it bound for a different reason. I can see several people here rn literally ranting because they have missed their spot.
Maybe if people would actually play more than their mouths, then there wouldn't only be 2-3 ppl with alts as u claimed, this proves that the system isn't broken at all but rather the people wanting to be spoon-fed. It's so sad honestly, and you want it to be easier than it already is?
There is no such discussion for Ursoth, Winter or any other event that require long lasting score farming until the end of the event. Even if some players can have more than one spot in lb, noone would complain about it because it is earned by hard work. Plus, anyone can take a spot in leaderboard as long as they farm hard enough which makes those events more popular among players. Being popular among only few players and almost impossibility for average players to take a spot in leaderboard are the main issues in which most of the players complain about for Temple kind of events.
I like the idea of having a leaderboard which shows the highest scores and gives rewards to them. However, there is a need for change for such events to make them more popular and compatible for more players. So, here is my idea:
- Having 2 leaderboards. While the current score system will remain which gives rewards to whom scored the highest, there will be another leaderboard which will require farming hard just like Ursoth or Winter events. How is that going to work? Let us say, one group scored 475k in one run in Strongold Siege. They will get 45 points. The more they score, the more points they will take. So, if a player runs 10 rounds scoring 475k in each run will get 450 points. In the end, who got more points will get the rewards just like Ursoth or Winter.
I am not suggesting making different rewards for those 2 leaderboards. What I suggest is while the leaderboard showing the highest score will grant the winners the Titles because a title describes someone's position, the leaderboard showing the highest points will grant the winners vanities.
p.s. For Temple, the point based leaderboard will be calculated on each wave. When a player passes a wave, s/he will get 1 point. The more waves s/he reaches, the more points s/he will get for each wave. Let us say for 1-100 waves player will get 1 point for each wave and for 101-200 waves player will get 1,25 points for each wave and so on.
1. So you don’t see the difference between temple-like events and cumulative lbs. Alright..
2. I wasn’t here, when those threads were up, therefore i wasnt involved in it at all. I have nothing against tradeable rewards in cumulative points’ lbs anyway.
3. This exactly proves that it is broken. In this system it will always be 2-3 players, no matter how good the 4th,5th,.. will be. Whats the meaning of lb being top10 then?
4. For 100th time, i dont want it to be easy, just less exploitable and more reflective of what it should show :)
4.) Alts bring in the competition. The leaderboards would look so dull and dumb without, no competition. But since you advocate otherwise, you're wanting it to be less competitive.
3.) If the top10 definition is whats confusing u, and Sts has, numerous times acknowledged and calls it fair game.
Then, do you then accept all this if they labelled it as, "Seige event (Alts Allowed)"?
1.) The only difference is no one would cry in cumulative events because individuals hibernate whilst running a 0 braincells map for weeks.
Whereas, for wave events its fast-paced, and it involves all senses, reflexes and concentration - people suddenly call out the skilled players for basically winner their spots. It all roots back of players wanting to be spoon-fed, exert the minimum for maximum returns. Case and point.
for the 50th time, its a leaderboads for god sake. Ya'll really walking backwards wanting this to change instead of thriving, and to excel for higher.
But you do you. My last reply. I'm repeating myself. Maybe ya'll should open the game more than the forums, and maybe a couple more of thinking would arrive to the strategy that will make the cut.
Otherwise, just play tictactoe
https://playtictactoe.org/
Or, if ya'll mistook the game leaderboard as charity, then I'll redirect you to the correct one.
https://www.savethechildren.org/
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And all that gear passed from one to another.
This type of events should be done using an universal type of gear.
I've said this in the past temple event too, this is unfair that 1 guy can easily take all the spots on lb, this isn't about competition and this is straight bs.
I'm not ok with this just because 1 guy can have 2 or more lb rewards.
Tbh events with lb like temple should have non tradeable rewards, this will easily solve the problem. Also it'll give easy identification for most op players in game(cuz they can't sell their rewards to someone else)
So you compete against your own alt.
This is the rankings im suggesting. u can compete against your own alt and if your alt is #1 #2 #3 #5, then let the #4 person be the 2nd one to recieve the 2nd reward out of 10 top10 rewards. U can recieve one reward(out of 10) in total for all your 4 alts. And so the serial numbers do not mean rank. Rank would be based on the next individual account/player who scores the next highest. So u get 10 individual winners in total with alts still on the lb.
Sts labelled it fair. There u go again. And here we are telling them it is unfair and to change it. Because we are sharing our suggestion from the perspective of many of the players and not from the perspective of just one or few top players using the alts.
Wave based events are only for the skilled, yes. So let the skilled show off with thier highest score. And let the lesser skilled be in the ranking where ever they fit. Even if its #10 with not a #1 player occupying 4-5 spots.
U keep saying leaderboards aren't a charity. When alts take it, it looks more like charity, Leaderboards just offering them all the spots because they have the best skill.
Compete against your best times, dont make multiple of yourself to compete with others.
competing with his own alts/toon… susmaryosep! lmao!
if LB can not be fixed… for this kind of events
+1 make it a universal gears… so they cannot pass their op gear to their alt/toons
Right now the lb doesnt have an alt detection
But for ignoring a player there is an alt check.
Maybe that can be done for these highest score events.
To make sure the alts are counted as 1 account and the highest score from one of the alts gets to be on lb.
And bound rewards only for these highest score events. So if alts were counted as one, people dont go out of thier way to play on another account and trade the winning reward to their main account.
Bound rewards will stop the ones who do multiple characters on the lb just to sell the items.
And ilove_poopoo said, he would do alts even if the rewards were bound.
If alts are from one account not from another account then One reward in common in stash or on the highest scored alt.
Im not sure why he wants to take it on himself to increase the competition by playing with his alts from different account and competing with his own account alts.
If the reason why he wants to increase competition is because he wants to prevent other lesser skilled players from getting the top10 then thats why this thread was started. To make it fair for those who cant beat #1 but are still good enough.
Just make LB rewards bound for future events similar to temple e.g.
just create "self lb" event
were account alts / toons can compete with each others
this is what they want... lol
peace
You should check now on all class solo lb if there is no alt. I bet theres 2 or more...
What about if you make all equipment one time use, like when you equip it once, only your acc can equip it in order to equip it with a alt you'll need to buy like x amount of "Perfume", imagine you need 5/5 to unlock a wep, which could cost 25m to act as a slightly gold sink. For example let us say you buy a clean maul (the seller looted it from event, he didn't opened it) the wep would be unlocked then if i equipped it, it would become "locked" this means other users could not use it but they can trade it to merch or anything. This feature is running perfectly on many mmorpg games, such as nostale, eastmile, nosvoid and many others.
Terrible idea.
I know this will probably get lost in the comments but sometimes when I’m home alone I like to go out in my garden and cover myself with dirt and pretend I’m a carrot.
Garbage idea, shouldn’t even affect you anyways since you have “1x of every lb set” anyways remember ? 😂 🤡
That was the biggest joke I've ever read
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Please do something about this fr, it's supposedly top 10 players right? not top 3 players and their 7 alts.. lol
Leave it as it is, if someone is good enough to get all 10 spots, fair play to them